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[Anonymous No.18006204]

I'm looking for people that talk about aesthetic contemplation other than Schopenhauer. I want to read something by someone who writes about the role of aesthetic contemplation and beauty in our lives. Not just in an abstract way but goes into the actual act of us sitting down to consume art.

[Anonymous No.18006216]

>>18006204

[Anonymous No.18006250]

>>18006216
I kinda skipped the greeks. Where does Plato talk about aesthetic contemplation?

[Anonymous No.18006303]

>>18006250
>Where does Plato talk about aesthetic contemplation?
Like in almost all of his works. It's the good, the true, and the beautiful, and as a result the beautiful is always at the very least of some contextual importance in all of his dialogues.

But the Symposium would be the most famous work by him on beauty, just don't let retards tell you it's about homosexuality, it's clearly anti-faggotry.

[Anonymous No.18006642]

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[Anonymous No.18007002]

>>18006204
Johann von Winckelmann
Walter Pater
>>18006303
>just don't let retards tell you it's about homosexuality, it's clearly anti-faggotry.
cope

[Anonymous No.18007025]

>>18007002
>cope
You misunderstand Plato if you think he was pro-gay sex.

[Anonymous No.18007035]

>>18007025
You can't both say that the dialogue is not about homosexuality, and also that it is anti-faggotry. Obviously every speaker in the dialogue is discussing erotic love, primarily between males, and refining their views on it. Socrates himself understood the allure of a beautiful young male, such as Alcibiades, but demonstrates his chastity by not bedding him.

[Anonymous No.18007075]

>>18007035
>he thinks Greek Eros is purely sexual
Learn Greek you pleb.

But I never said they don't talk about homosexuality, don't put words in my mouth, how much of a faggot do you have to be to do so over this topic? I merely said that Plato was not pro-gay sex, and that it's not 'about' homosexuality, it is about far more broadly love on the whole as a philosophical interest.

[Anonymous No.18007103]

>>18007075
Show me an example of a Greek text that uses eros except in the context of romantic, passionate and sensual attraction? Plato tries to elevate the concept, he has Socrates begin with physical attraction that ascends to a pure love of the soul, with a goal toward directing that love toward the forms of which the lover's soul is a reflection. But the soil of this ascent is still erotic love. I am also not saying that Plato is "pro-gay" (obviously he expresses negative opinions about pederasty in the Laws), only that the subject is, to a large degree, homoerotic, and that many of the speakers express positive points of view about erotic love between males.

[Anonymous No.18007115]

>>18006204
The Aesthetic Education of Man by Friedrich Schiller


Goddamn just look at how handsome my fairy tale prince is

[Anonymous No.18007153]

>>18007103
>Show me an example of a Greek text that uses eros except in the context of romantic, passionate and sensual attraction?
Plato himself when he talks about Eros for philosophy. Eros is a much broader word than what an Anglo thinks of when he hears "romantic", and this complexity of meaning is present in the Symposium, though it meditates on sensual attraction as well. The idea of going up to the Forms in the Symposium, isn't just love for another.

[Anonymous No.18007172]

Ways of Seeing by Berger

[Anonymous No.18007178]

>>18007153
But I said Plato uses a unique sense of the word. Where is an example outside of him (or his Neoplatonic progeny)? Obviously they are using the erotic relationship, here described between males, as a prototype for Plato's new ideal.

[Anonymous No.18007198]

>>18007178
It's well known that Eros was also considered to be the God of friendship in ancient Greece, or would all friendship itself be erotic for the Greeks?

[Anonymous No.18007233]

>>18007198
Eros was almost exclusively the god of passion and infatuation. Are you getting that from the short Wikipedia section quoting Athenaeus -- the part of his text which is the lengthiest discussion of homosexuality in almost all Greek literature? Of course eros can have other connotations. But do you deny that when the ancient Greeks discuss erotic attachments in a day to day, common sense of the word, referring to a couple, they don't mean people attached sexually or romantically?