/sffg/ - Science fiction and Fantasy general

[Anonymous No.17993896]

No anime edition.

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Previous Thread: >>17974301

[Anonymous No.17993900]

>It's impossible to account for every changes made by magic and fantasy races for a fictional world to progress to its 21st century equivalent! The permutation is endless!
OK
>But it's possible to account for every changes made by magic and fantasy races for a fictional world to progress from prehistory to its 14th century equivalent. You don't have to think about thousand years permutation from the invention of fire up to, say, the invention of flying buttress.
What?

[Anonymous No.17993901]

>>17993896
Why did you make a new thread before the bump limit?

[Anonymous No.17993910]

>>17993901
activist threadmaker

[Anonymous No.17993927]

>>17993900
Tolkien and DnD knockoffs.

[Anonymous No.17993953]

Mechs and giant monsters are modern knights errand stories.

[Anonymous No.17993958]

>>17993953
Did you not read the OP? No anime in this thread. So fuck off.

[Anonymous No.17993966]

>>17993958
Should I repost with a Battletech image?

[Anonymous No.17993967]

first for /lit/ is officially a superstraight general

[Anonymous No.17993974]

>>17993966
No. Just leave. We don’t need your kind here.

[Anonymous No.17993991]

>>17993869
to give an example, a fantasy series I was reading recently was Battlemage, it has feminist ideas that shouldn't exist in its time period or setting. One of the main characters, a princess, wonders why women arent dont serve in the army despite being half the population, and that if women were trained like men, then they would be able to keep up with men thus doubling the size of the army.

This completely disregards the fact that if women were in the army, then nobody would be raising or having kids thus destroying your population though. And of course she becomes the queen later.

[Anonymous No.17994011]

>>17993991
>This completely disregards the fact that if women were in the army, then nobody would be raising or having kids thus destroying your population though. And of course she becomes the queen later.
This completely disregards the fact there wasn't a standing army historically anyways and you're picking and choosing what you're allowed to be autistic about because you hate women.

[Anonymous No.17994051]

>>17993991
>>17994011
It also disregards the fact that women aren't good soldiers

[Anonymous No.17994056]

Is this worth the $9? I want a nice physical collection of Conan stories and these are the only ones that aren't print-on-demand

[Anonymous No.17994212]

>>17993991
>if women were in the army, then nobody would be raising or having kids
The opposite would be true, though. Every single one of them would be pregnant before the first deployment.
Come to think of it, having mandatory conscription for females is probably the best way to achieve unprecedentedly high birthrates.

[Anonymous No.17994236]

>>17993991
The reason people laugh at you is because you immediately turn this into politics and don't even try to attempt to understand the reasoning.

>if women were in the army, then nobody would be raising or having kids thus destroying your population though.
This assumes.
1. ALL women are going to war
2. Every woman is wed and breeding children 24/7
3. That its perfectly fine for ALL men to go to war and die
4. That is somehow acceptable or practical that a few old and feeble men can "breed" and entire village of women, that all the women would be okay with this, that the village can function with nothing but pregnant women providing for themselves and the lack of 50% of their able bodied adult population wouldn't result in their likely and soon demise. or that the lack of genetic diversity won't quickly ruin them.
5. That armies fight to annihilation resulting in the death of everyone in them. When in fact this is an extremely rare occurrence.
6. That women can't be providing magical support roles while still "bearing" children.
7. That its impossible for men to raise children once given them. (a 30 year old woman could have produced 10 kids, left them with her husband tilling the fields, and then went off to war. in your hypothetical world this means he can continue breeding with other young woman if the wife dies. if the husband dies the wife is soon to be a barren womb who can't continue the bloodline)

And so on.
You're laughable because you don't consider any other arguments or ideas and instead just regurgitate the same ol' bait you've seen 1000 times. And instead of just moving on to a different book because this doesn't agree with you, you turn this into a matter of "liberalism"
Yet on the same coin, if someone said a book constantly praising buff strong white dudes was pushing "conservativism" you'd probably have an aneurism.

[Anonymous No.17994461]

Just finished reading First Law. I hear the rest of Abercrombie's work is garbage. What should I read next that has this feel?

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.17994489]

The Road to Hell, Multiverse #3 - David Weber & Joelle Presby (2016)
The second book came out a year after the first, but the third book came out almost ten years after the second. That's a long time. It's been six years since the second book released, so it's anybody's guess when the next book would be. The series is clearly not anywhere near finished, so for those hoping for that, you'd be out of luck. Considering the author is sixty-eight as I'm writing this, it's entirely possible that the series won't ever be finished, but that doesn't matter to me overly much. The third book has a different co-author, but I didn't really notice much difference, though it's certainly questionable whether I would even if there was much difference. If there ever is a fourth book, I'll read it.
The third book is much more like the first book than the second, which was mildly disappointing. It's entirely focused again on war logistics, political maneuvering, and general day-to-day activities. In terms of action, not much happens until the last 20% or so. For me, the slowest part was the many consecutive pages describing the precise technical details of the military vehicles. Thankfully that was the sole infodump of it its kind.
The most amusing and interesting part of this for me exploring in detail what was hinted at in the previous book, which was that role that belief plays in terms of physical constants and universal mechanics in general. Hopefully it will be used to amusing effect in any potential future book.
Although they were included in the two previous books, the sentient animals play a larger role in this book and based on what occurs, will certainly have a larger role at later time. The two main sentient animal groups are cetaceans and simians. The portrayal of orcas as bloodthirsty warmongers who want to join the war effort to have a reason to eat humans again was certainly unexpected. The simians are also preparing for war in their own way as well.
At various points it seemed more like they would have preferred this to be straight up historical fiction rather than was it is, as there were various references to real world events
and some of the actions they took seemed like they would more appropriate to the real world than this setting.
It continues to be the case that I have stylistic and aesthetics disagreements, but that's to be expected at this point, especially with some of the dialogue as it can be entirely too bombastic and tries to drive its point home with all the excessiveness of hammering in nails with a sledgehammer. I did a fair bit of eyerolling, especially with any dialogue involving women or traditional concepts, but it only mildly detracts overall.
Will I have forgotten a lot of it if there's another book? Yeah, probably, but it doesn't really matter, and I'm sure it'll work out just fine.
Rating: 4/5

[Anonymous No.17994575]

>>17994011
YWNBAW

[Anonymous No.17994595]

>>17994236
schizo time

[Anonymous No.17994602]

>>17978678
Every thread. I hate /sffg/. :(

[Anonymous No.17994723]

>>17994575
Seething

[Anonymous No.17994730]

Read Bakker

[Anonymous No.17994741]

>>17994723
>Seething

[Anonymous No.17994748]

>>17994730
No thanks i preffer vanilla to ntr

[Anonymous No.17994749]

>>17994730
But i'm already reading it...

[Anonymous No.17994759]

[Anonymous No.17994809]

Post-Apocalyptical fantasy with fallen gods or a devastated dark world. Yes please. Bonus points if Rome-setting is throw in.

Age of Decadence really got me into this setting, yet struggling to find a book that can give me the same thrill.

[Anonymous No.17994822]

>>17994730
only if you provide me with more meme alignment charts for other fantasy franchises

[Anonymous No.17994824]

>>17994759
Two mothers?

[Anonymous No.17994827]

>>17994809
Unironically read Bakker

[Anonymous No.17994831]

Controversial? What did he mean by this?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.17994834]

>>17994824
>mothers
They’re all male

[Anonymous No.17994842]

>>17994824
the one on the right is Earendil you idiot

[Anonymous No.17994871]

>>17994461
The trilogy sequel for First Law is garbage but I liked Shattered Sea for the most part. The novella for First Law are also all great, the Heroes is just another short war in the North, just all about war and how war never changes etc. Best Served Cold is also great mostly cause of Scar.

[Anonymous No.17994936]

@17994831

[Anonymous No.17994940]

Books that will stop be fingering and scratching my asshole because of haemorrhoids?

[Anonymous No.17994978]

>>17994831
>blaming the man for genre trends that took off well after he had already died
the way mieville says it you'd think tolkien personally ruined fantasy for everyone out of sheer spite or something. then again, commies.

[Anonymous No.17994983]

Fuck E William Brown

[Anonymous No.17994992]

>>17994978
Didn’t Tolkien also create the genre of fantasy? Wouldn’t that mean that if Mieville writes in it he’s automatically getting mogged by Tolkien?

[Anonymous No.17995005]

>>17994992
for all the shit opinions he has I genuinely consider china mieville a good writer, though. he is someone I would legit point to for writing fantasy that's not tolkien-derivative.

[Anonymous No.17995034]

>>17994978
Personally I hate the retarded term.
Tolkien's world was extremely specific, but people just call anything with elves and dwarves in it "tolkien" now and its retarded.
Sure some of the tropes follow the same trends, but tolkien did not invent greedy dwarves or beautiful elves.

[Anonymous No.17995038]

Any SFF about resentful losers and a beta rebellion?

[Anonymous No.17995319]

I ordered Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn last week and they just came in the mail yesterday. What am I in for?

[Anonymous No.17995386]

Did Cnaiür love Kellhus, in his way?

[Anonymous No.17995413]

>>17995038
Yeah, loads.

[Anonymous No.17995414]

>>17995386
No. He was just projecting the father onto the son.

[Anonymous No.17995467]

>>17995413
give me some good ones then

[Anonymous No.17995536]

Bloodline is shit.
All of a sudden Lindon is a humanitarian?
People literally stabbed him in the back, and he is damaging himself to help them. He sisn't even killing those who tried to kill him and Yerrin.

This is why I don't read western shit anymore. I thought Will Wight wasn't like teh restof them, but I was wrong.

[Anonymous No.17995565]

>>17995536
i do agree that currently fantazy in the west has had a sharp decline in quality. But you are deluding yourself if you think the east can offer anything better.
also there are enough classic book to last you a lifetime and you won't be able to read them all. Why the fuck are you reading current year books?

[Anonymous No.17995612]

>>17995565
I'm talking about the western shit ideology in books of not killing your enemies.
They always let the bad guy go, or don't ensure the kill, allowing the bad guy to return (and be easy writing for future books).
Look at the Joker and others in comics. It's a reason anti-hero fantasy took off. People are fed up of the bad guys killing and getting away with it.

Last book Lindon was murking fuckers left and right for points, now he is allowing them to nearly kill him/ betray him, and he is only talking to them. He got betrayed and he is still trying to save the people who betrayed him. I hate that shit in fantasy. This fucking "turn the other cheek" shit. If you get hit, hit back harder. You don't lay down, spread your back pussy and grit your teeth.

[Anonymous No.17995747]

>>17995536
You WILL revert your opinion or your family lineage WILL be torn out by the roots.

[Anonymous No.17995754]

>>17995565
Maybe not better, but a lot more varied. Unless you mean books that foster spiritual and intellectual growth. But even then I'd take an endless fun sci fi adventure that makes one look positively at the future or a look at Japan's corporate world from the eyes of youth, disguised as a story about a guy who defeats any enemy with one punch. I'll take them because there should be things like that too, not just lessons from ancient and medieval stoic monks.

[Anonymous No.17995760]

>>17995747
You do not know the height of the heavens!!! When I'm done with you you will call me your grandfather!!!

[Anonymous No.17995810]

He didnt bugger you, Proyas, did he?

[Anonymous No.17995816]

>>17995319
Extremely competent but generic and unexciting fantasy. Good thing to read if you just want a decent-ass epic fantasy that doesn't climb up its own ass, and doesn't feel like an anime pitch or repainted D&D campaign.

Spoiler: The only part of the story that actually felt cathartic or exciting was when Fengbold got the Alexander Nevsky treatment. Otherwise the series is just really solid.

[Anonymous No.17995845]

>>17995810
AI generated.

[Anonymous No.17995912]

>>17995845
Does it trouble you, knowing that Serwë burns in Hell?

[Anonymous No.17996208]

Is it true that this is communist propaganda?

[Anonymous No.17996396]

>>17995386
Not finished the series, but it seems like Cnaiur was captivated by Kellhus - maybe feeling a kind of 'love' for him - and hated himself for it. The "I'm going to run away from him every chance I get so I cannot be manipulated" thing he does is probably an excuse, since he is smart enough to know that wouldn't work anyway.

TL;DR Cnaiur is a repressed and self=loathing homo, so probably

[Anonymous No.17996418]

Bakkerchads... it is up....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbh04t5NZVw

[Anonymous No.17996503]

>>17994827
Unironically, NO.

[Anonymous No.17996534]

What is the best ADVENTURE fantasy you can think of? Where adventure and exploration is the main attraction? Pls dont say lotr. Bonus points if it has good characters.

[Anonymous No.17996565]

>>17993958
Anime is not a problem on an anime website. It's the guy spamming vtumor that everyone can't stand.

[Anonymous No.17996584]

>>17994236
The real problem is that women don't have the strength to be soldiers. Nice try latching onto a retard's argument while ignoring what sensible anons wrote.

[Anonymous No.17996614]

>>17996534
I love adventure!

[Anonymous No.17996628]

I miss being able to see how much % of a book I've read in one sitting on my old Kindle. Buttons were nice too when it's cold and my hands could be under the covers since they don't register the touchscreen otherwise.

[Anonymous No.17996668]

>>17994759
Slow but steady I'll eventually finish the pic.

[Anonymous No.17996679]

>>17996668
this is my favorite meme on /sffg/
bakker and silmarillion charts tied for 2nd

[Anonymous No.17996716]

>50% Ketyai
>45% Dûnyain
>4% Küniûric Royalty
>1% Nonman
El Monstruo...
La Luz extinguido...
El abominación de los Andiamene Heights...
El Ogro de los Three Seas...
La Criatura...

[Anonymous No.17996867]

Are there any books with non-villainous orcs that aren't le epic subversive "humans are the real bad guyz" plots

[Anonymous No.17996909]

>The study is so deep, Father...

[Anonymous No.17996938]

>>17996909
Can you blame akka?

[Anonymous No.17997014]

>>17996584
Except they do, and have been doing it, and have done similar jobs for hundreds of years

Maybe in your shitty suburb neighborhood girls can't carry more than 10 pounds, but out in rural fuck all areas you have women working fields and farms carrying giant bags of rocks.

Not as a strong as typical male counterpart? Sure. Not strong enough to hold a pointy stick and have someone run into it or shoot an arrow? You're a dumbass if you think that.

[Anonymous No.17997025]

>>17997014
>Not strong enough to hold a pointy stick and have someone run into it or shoot an arrow?
That explains why there were so many legions of female warriors in the pre-gunpowder era
Oh wait...

[Anonymous No.17997101]

>>17997025
Because they had other reasons for it, some logical, some just based on culture or religious nonsense.

And of course there are other extraordinary situations that can take the equation either way. Women did typically participate in defense of towns and forts. Women have fought on the battle field and pretty much every culture in existence has stories about it. Women did fight men in 1v1 combat and there's multiple noted women who gained fame from doing it repeatedly.

So in a world of magic and fuck all is it possible to make the argument more women should go to war? What if there's no population issues? What if the society heavily honors death in combat, be it male or female? What if you're facing a life ending threat where it matters fuck all if you survive because you're dead if the frontline fails?

Plenty such circumstances. Of course you don't think to talk about any of those and just parrot that "hurr durr women are weak" because you don't want to have to think about different concepts or open your mind to new ideas, you want to exclude women.

[Anonymous No.17997264]

are there any books about transformation (humans turning into something else), body swap, gender bender? pls recommend me

[Anonymous No.17997281]

My sister begged me to read Ready Player 2 even though I hated the first one and I have never hated a book more. I couldn’t finish it. Has anyone else read it, I want to bitch with someone about it.

[Anonymous No.17997301]

Anybody here ever read any of these books?

Any good?

[Anonymous No.17997308]

>>17997264
Animorphs

[Anonymous No.17997335]

>>17997301
I read the first one. It was competently written and fun, but I hated everyone except the main character. Once his motivation became saving the world, I knew I wouldn't read the rest of the series.

[Anonymous No.17997350]

>>17997264
Body transformation as a central focus or merely as one plot point among many? Because for example, Bram Stoker's Dracula has the eponymous vampire transform into a variety of creatures, from wolves, to bats, to birds, to rats.

[Anonymous No.17997363]

>>17994056
Yea

[Anonymous No.17997540]

>>17996867
Yes. Two series.

[Anonymous No.17997576]

Illustrations are usually very hit-or-miss when it comes to fantasy books, but two illustrators' work I always welcome are Pauline Baynes and Frank Frazetta. Who are you guys' favorite illustrators?

[Anonymous No.17997611]

>>17995912
Honestly, a bit, yeah.

[Anonymous No.17997692]

>>17995912
>>17997611
what even did she do that would garner damnation? she seemed pretty pure of heart and simple minded during her whole life. she never sought power over others/the world (seemingly the key damnable offense) unless it was attaching herself to kellhus, which she seemingly did out of genuine admiration and love for him rather than a will to power. maybe kellhus[spoilrer]jokli[/spoiler] was just fucking with proyas by saying that..? he said he had seen her roasting in hell. maybe she was just one of the 99.999% of souls that never did anything awful in life but will burn anyway. damnation by default.

[Anonymous No.17997750]

>>17994051
women aren't good at much

[Anonymous No.17997756]

>>17997750
they good at making my pp hard

[Anonymous No.17997761]

>>17997756
>he hasn't intentionally conditioned himself to be gay
nmgi

[Anonymous No.17997771]

>>17997756
>they good
please do not use niglish here, ``thank you''

[Anonymous No.17997800]

>>17997761
>not monna gake it
????????

[Anonymous No.17997835]

>>17996208
It's just an atrocious book in its own right. You don't need to hate it extra because of the communism.

[Anonymous No.17997994]

>tranny jannies nuked my beautiful photo of mommy esmi
angry_akka_face.jpg
they shall be succulently devoured by ciphrang for their sins

[Anonymous No.17998218]

>>17997301
I can't tell if you're a bad troll or complete idiot since it's discussed in this thread a lot and the previous threads.

[Anonymous No.17998555]

Which books have the best fight scenes in your opinion? Apparently pic related has some of the best hand to hand combat.

[Anonymous No.17998571]

>>17997540
Are you going to tell me what they are?

[Anonymous No.17998665]

>>17993900
Those times are mythic for us as a people anon. They exist at such an inaccessible period of time that they themselves are magical. That's when the magic died, so that's the period the stories settle in.

[Anonymous No.17998713]

>>17995386
No, he knows what Kellhus is. He just has no real way of grappling with what that means. Absolutely loves Moe though.

[Anonymous No.17998739]

Any list of modern day fantasy novels that aren't infested with left wing ideaology or shipping culture?

[Anonymous No.17998766]

>>17998739
Bakker

[Anonymous No.17998777]

That the author or the novel?

[Anonymous No.17998807]

>>17998777
That's the author newfriend. Start with the Prince of Nothing.

[Anonymous No.17998816]

>nonmen are evil
circumstantially, because they lost their minds.
>inchoroi are evil
inherently, but that’s not their fault.
>men are evil
inherently, and they fool themselves into thinking they’re not.

>the only innocents are women and children.
what did bakker mean by this?

[Anonymous No.17998871]

>>17998807

Will do friend, let me know if you think of any others.

[Anonymous No.17998909]

>>17998816
>what did bakker mean by this?
even the truest aren't immune to simping.

[Anonymous No.17999036]

Is it ever revealed how long Nonmen before the Inchoroi make them immortal? I know it's implied they were long-lived but do we have any numbers?

[Anonymous No.17999156]

>>17998816
>women and children
>innocent
>every single woman is a LITERAL WHORE
>every child is either a psychopath, monster, or also a whore
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.17999201]

>>17994236
>>17997101
Is this what they teach in gender studies?

[Anonymous No.17999295]

>>17999036
500-1000 years ?

[Anonymous No.17999306]

>>17997101
Excluding women in war is objectively a good thing.

[Anonymous No.17999351]

>>17994236
>4,
What do you think furloughs are for? DUmb fucking bitch.

[Anonymous No.17999432]

>>17999036
We never get a specific number but it’s at least several hundred years

[Anonymous No.17999565]

>>17995536
oh shit i completely forgot i used to read this series. Got a reccomendation from one of these threads and binge read 1-7 back in june/july last year.
Guess now i have some catching up to do, would you say the quality stayed the same for these last 2books, or was there a shift whether it be positive or negative?

[Anonymous No.17999641]

>>17997692
She was raped which in Bakker mythos makes her a whore and worthy of eternal damnation. Bakker likes his bitches pure and unraped.

[Anonymous No.17999669]

>>17998816
>what did bakker mean by this?
That women are just overgrown toddlers.

[Anonymous No.17999751]

>>17995319
I couldn't finish it I'm afraid. Extremely generic but perfect for a 12 year old.

[Anonymous No.17999788]

>>17999751
>generic
It wasn't at the time.

[Anonymous No.17999955]

Where is the guilty pleasure scifi colonialism and imperialism? What's it called? Does it even exist?
I want to read books about human space marines landing on jungle planets to put down local rebellions, enforce peace, and in general just subjugate ayys. Books where humans are the "bad guys" but pulp instead of morale grandstanding about how evil it is.

[Anonymous No.17999969]

>>17999955
You mean HFY? I think there's plenty of that.

[Anonymous No.17999974]

>>17999969
HFY is always retaliatory. I haven't seen any HFY that celebrates humanity's affinity to cruelty.

[Anonymous No.17999990]

>>17999955
>>17999974
Undying Mercenaries, so long as you can handle borderline absurdist cheese.

[Anonymous No.17999996]

>>17999990
I read that one a while ago. The cheese was a lot of fun, for a while anyway. Do you know anything similar?

[Anonymous No.18000037]

>>17994759
for the last time. they had a choice between being human or elf and elrond chose to be an elf. his brother chose to be human, if he had anything left of elf in him he would have been immortal

[Anonymous No.18000039]

Who is the loser that reported a post of mine as spam? Is this the point where Bakker memes start to be bannable offences?

[Anonymous No.18000072]

>>18000037
I'm going to try Uller Uprising. It seems very fun so far.

[Anonymous No.18000225]

>>18000039
Are you sure this wasn't during the short time when you could rightfully be reported for being Canadian?

[Anonymous No.18000880]

>>17999641
>Bakker likes his bitches pure and unraped
Based.

[Anonymous No.18001045]

Well, I found it.

[Anonymous No.18001069]

>>18001045
I hate these covers–if I could find reasonably-priced copies of the original covers, I would damn well buy the book and read it. Hell, I feel like I'm basically pre-disposed to like it, I would gladly join the rest of the Bakkerfags with their analysis and memes and discussion

[Anonymous No.18001072]

>>17999201
Basic reasoning? It's funny how you soiboi /pol/ crybabies think common sense is some liberal hoax.

[Anonymous No.18001122]

>>18001069
I didn't know there were other covers; I just found it at a used book store and couldn't pass on it after hearing so much about it here.

[Anonymous No.18001256]

>>18001045
based.

[Anonymous No.18001288]

>>17997692
She trusted hi-

[Anonymous No.18001311]

>>17998555
nice trips

[Anonymous No.18001336]

>>17997025
I've never read a fantasy where anyone has pointy sticks, its always women in full armor with long swords

[Anonymous No.18001362]

>>18001336
meant for >>17997014

Women are always champions when they're written as warriors, not poor peasants with pointy sticks

[Anonymous No.18001435]

>>17994827
Why does /lit/ dislike Bakker? I'm not from 'round here.

[Anonymous No.18001467]

>>18001435
He became popular.
Simple as really.

We are proto-hipsters.

[Anonymous No.18001470]

>>18001435
Because he's a male feminist with extra edge who writes nothing but inane, pretentious garbage about how awful everything is. Everything is awful and everyone is awful and everything is just going to get worse, oh woe is me boohoo. I legitimately think he listens to nothing but that one Linkin Park song on repeat while he writes.
More to the point none of the characters he writes are remotely likeable, and as a result, it's impossible to actually care about what's happening in his stories because all these characters that are being raped and abused are utterly unlikeable cunts who deserve it anyway.

[Anonymous No.18001500]

>>18001467
>>18001470
I think I understand. Why do you think /lit/ likes Bakker?

[Anonymous No.18001528]

>>18001500
Goodreads book burners hate him, and we love what they hate.

[Anonymous No.18001604]

>>18001470
Fuck you. Akka did literally nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.18001634]

>>18001470
I don't completely agree with your post but i do agree that his character are completely unlikeable. Even if i do enjoy some suffering kino, if the characters are fucking pieces of shit it doesn't do anything for me.
If you want to make a bleak horrible world at least put goo people in focus so the story has SOME stakes.

[Anonymous No.18001770]

>>18001634
>>18001470
His characters are actually quite likable and lovable. Their truly flawed nature matches the fallen nature of the setting. But they're more like real people in that sense than the typical cookie-cutter genre protagonist. Their flaws and scars are deep and painful, that's what makes them human.

Kellhus' sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek quips, even up until the bitter end, are icing on the cake for me.

[Anonymous No.18001790]

>>18001770
Maybe I have a rose tinted view of what human can be because of the amount of Kant collage has shove into my troth, but I do not think their "flaws" (or at lest the fact many of them let themlsves be controlled by said flaws) make them humans, it makes them bad humans.

[Anonymous No.18001795]

>>18001770
Just to continue that thought, I'm re-reading the Silmarillion after reading Bakker. No offense to master Tolkien of course, but his elves, with the exception of Fëanor, are all totally one-dimensional. Bakker's not-elves are so complex and emotionally rich in comparison.

By the way, for whoever might want it, the Wertzone made this 146-page .pdf compilation of the History of Eärwa. It's pretty nicely fleshed out and may be the closest thing to a Bakker Silmarillion that we'll ever get. I mean, I hope he writes a real Silmarillion clone focused on the Cûno-Inchoroi Wars and the tutelage.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7af3IhBKbgrTmp5d3M3bXRja1U/view

[Anonymous No.18001809]

>>17997994
>tfw your head gets skinned like a grape forever

[Anonymous No.18001812]

>>18001790
>kant
>collage
filtered. you must read milton, nietzsche, wittgenstein, heidegger, schopenhauer, cioran, mccarthy, and the complete bible as well as apocrypha to understand bakker.

[Anonymous No.18001859]

recommend me some moralfag anti-edge books

[Anonymous No.18001867]

If the inchoroi can give themselves biological immortality, why do they need to seal the heavens?

[Anonymous No.18001885]

>>18001859
With that chin they should be called moralchads.

[Anonymous No.18001893]

>>18001859
I recommend Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.18001896]

>>18001867
Because the progenitors told them to

[Anonymous No.18001900]

>>18001867
They are not unkillable. Death at any point leads to infinite suffering, incomparable to any finite amount of pleasurable life.

[Anonymous No.18001938]

>>18001867
they're terrified of mortality. like the sranc, they are purpose-built, bioengineered, rape-killing damnation machines so it's not really their fault. but the sranc had the soul module removed so they get all the fun without any of the consequences.

the way bakker sees it, all of this simply the logical endpoint of being able to watch porn on your phone.

[Anonymous No.18001944]

>>18001604
He's a literal cuckold, and he's literally damned to Hell.

[Anonymous No.18001965]

>>18001885
that's not Kenshiro though, who is indeed a moralchad, that's Akagi, the anti-moralfag edgelord

[Anonymous No.18001997]

>>17994809
Most of what you describe are covered by litrpg.

[Anonymous No.18002008]

>>18001795
wish there was more written about the unification wars.

[Anonymous No.18002014]

>>17994809
Bakker is precisely what you seek.
Start with the Darkness that Comes Before.

[Anonymous No.18002448]

>>17994831
>What did he mean by this?
All the cool nerds pretend to hate Tolkien.

[Anonymous No.18002482]

>>17994809
This is the stupidest venn diagram i've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.18002519]

>>18002008
What happened to all the islands?

[Anonymous No.18002573]

>>18002008
>the Thunyeri are smackdab in the middle of the civilized world
>described as only recent converts and barbaric as fuck
How?

[Anonymous No.18002637]

>>18002573
Racism, and I think they are migrants that conquered an area.

[Anonymous No.18002639]

>>18002573
Getting fucked up by sranc

[Anonymous No.18002676]

>>18002573
They are literally superior nordic conquerors who are only considered barbaric by brown shitskins "civilized" homosexual subhumans

[Anonymous No.18002688]

>>>/wg/7751754

[Anonymous No.18002706]

>>18002676
That's the Galeoth you're thinking of.
The Thunyeri are just your typical nordcuck snowniggers.

[Anonymous No.18002767]

>>18002573
Think of how Germanic tribes would interact with the Romans they conquered.

[Anonymous No.18002910]

>>17996867
Jaghut in Malazan resemble orcs in appearance only kind of

[Anonymous No.18002913]

I remember being told here that the books of the South weren't as good, but to be honest none of Black Company is as good as the first one anyway. Maybe I'm just invested, but I don't think there was a step down between this one and the first two sequels. I liked it, is what I'm saying.

[Anonymous No.18002931]

>all the sad losers in this thread coping for their inadequacies by crying like bitches about women fighting in wars, pretending it's unrealistic
lmao, It was only the pampered and soft nations that used only men to fight back in the day anyway. Their lives were so soft and cushy they could half-assedly wage war with a minority of their population. Every time there's been actual hard as fuck motherfuckers who actually lived harsh lives, they never had shit cozy enough to leave like a third of their fighting force behind. It's why people like the Mongols actually conquered nearly half the world, because they were all, men and women, hard as fuck, capable of fighting and didn't give two shits about dumb fuck shit like propriety between the sexes when it came to battle. But then they got soft as fuck once they started taking in the loser attitudes of the conquered people and grew fat and soft, thinking there was a "right" and "wrong" way to wage war, like only sending a certain kind of person to war.

[Anonymous No.18002970]

>>17996867
Malazan I suppose

[Anonymous No.18002985]

>>18002931
Sitting in a yurt all day and spreading your legs to Chadujin once a year when he deigns to visit his harem doesn't equate to martial prowess, nor being "hard".

[Anonymous No.18002994]

>>17993953
I've wondered why Jedi didn't inspire stories. Space wizards with swords, c'mon

[Anonymous No.18003023]

>>17993896
Can someone help me name the major religions of my setting please?

The first religion in my setting that believes that the world is a sleeping god's dream. I was thinking of there being two factions, one trying to keep him asleep, believing that his awakening would end the world, and another believing that if they awaken him, they would be rewarded with true existence.

Another religion I'm thinking of believes that something happened when the world was being made, with different sub-groups disagreeing on exactly "what" that was, ranging from the equivalent of original sin to the gods leaving to fight some foe, and their goal is to direct the god's attention back so they can finish the job, or at least do it for them.

Finally, I have a group that believes in a "man grew proud" scenario, where humanity was struck down for their arrogance, devastating the world with their actions, and either advocate against using the main magic of the setting whenever that's feasible or advocate using it to repair the damage (not sure which yet, or if I should do both).

Keep in mind, it's deliberately unclear if one of these religions/beliefs, if any, is "correct", and I don't plan on clearing it up in-setting or out of it. If any gods exist, they're not showing up anytime soon.

[Anonymous No.18003028]

>>18002913
I enjoyed them too but I have to admit some of the majesty was lost of Lady and the other Taken and high level wizards

Maybe they humanized them too much and they started to seem like just another Goblin/One Eye with a bit more power by accident, nothing special about them, no longer remnants of an ancient world etc. Or maybe that was the point, that that's all they are anyway, petty humans with better tricks. Either way something was lost for me when the dominant dynamic of the books was no longer about surviving in the shadow of these monsters.

The organizing of the defenses stuff was the most fun for me.

[Anonymous No.18003049]

What are the common explanations about why someone would choose to be evil? What do they gain?

[Anonymous No.18003073]

>>18002994
Because western culture is pretty far even from knights templar, I guess. Much less eastern monks that speak about luminuous beings and connection to all of Creation.

[Anonymous No.18003079]

>>18003028
Yeah, I thought it was pretty lame that the Shadowmasters were total gimps. It kind of made sense when they revealed they were just the Taken again, but I agree that it doesn't have the weight of the first books.
The strategy and defense stuff is cool. I wish I had the kind of autism that let me play strategy games.

[Anonymous No.18003093]

>>18003023
I'm not sure that starting to plot a story from large scale worldbuilding is even a good idea. Who are the people that readers are supposed to care about? Or do you intend to use whole organizations as characters?

[Anonymous No.18003117]

>>18003073
I hate the aspect of Abrahamic religions that says we can't understand God and we pretty much have to wait for the apocalypse. Seems convenient.

[Anonymous No.18003152]

>>18003093
What? All that dude wants is some ideas for names for his world's religions.

Besides, knowing about the world your characters will inhabit will make writing a plot easier. Have to build the sandbox before you can make sandcastles.

[Anonymous No.18003168]

>>18003117
>we can't understand God and we pretty much have to wait for the apocalypse.
Christianity is literally about the guy who came to explain it though? And we are given minds to learn the Creation. His mother even defeated death as well to show that mortals can overcome even original sin.

[Anonymous No.18003205]

>>18003023
Siestism/Siestics
Monadism/Monadistics
Hauteurism/Hauteurist

[Anonymous No.18003354]

>>17995536
He's a man with principles. He's not going to start lording his power over people who are weaker than him, especially since most of them are following orders.

Also, he did kill the actual people who were working against him. The First Elder and the Patriarch are both dead. Every Heaven's Glory leader is dead. What exactly are you criticizing here?

[Anonymous No.18003372]

>>17993896
How can we put a new and original spin on the isekai concept? We need to seriously spice up the formula.

[Anonymous No.18003379]

>>18003372
Man frozen in ice?

[Anonymous No.18003389]

>>18003152
Exactly, thanks for understanding what I meant. So, can you help me please? My best ideas are too generic for my tastes, I want to do something more original than “Church of X” or something along those lines. Any ideas at all would be greatly appreciated.

[Anonymous No.18003430]

>>18003372
are there any isekai where people end up in a futuristic society? it always "Japanese kid goes back to a medeival society and uses his superior knowledge and dick to conquer the world". I'd like to see someone actually struggle to keep up with the setting

[Anonymous No.18003508]

>>18003023
>>18003389
Just name your religions by using key character names and adding -ism to the end of it. I.e Hermeticism, Bhuddism.

Also, if you want to take the religion in your world seriously, read pic related for an understanding of how important religion is to the people and developments in your history. And ground religion in a realistic sense, that is, don't make it sound like a fairy tale with meaningless mythology. Contrary to popular belief most mythologies are used as analogy to explain metaphysical beliefs.
>This doctrine is the same as the Egyptian one: the gods (netem), who bring life (ankh) and animate all bodies, are manifestations (kheperu) of the supreme transcendent Principle and constitute the different levels of reality. For Greeks, the gods (theos) are ever-living and everlasting principles.

[Anonymous No.18003517]

>>18003430
>are there any isekai where people end up in a futuristic society?

[Anonymous No.18003519]

>>18003508
Great recommendation anon, thank you

[Anonymous No.18003589]

>>17994236

Good arguments.
All the butthurt anons trying to rebutt you couldnt come up with any counters.

[Anonymous No.18003709]

>>18003430
The Dark Forest, Futurama.

[Anonymous No.18003714]

>>18003354
>The First Elder and the Patriarch are both dead. Every Heaven's Glory leader is dead.
Lindon didn't do the deed. He crippled one, and told the other to walk and carry. Then he went back and ended up fucking his memory spirit up, for people who were fighting him from saving them from start to end. It was so stupid. He apologized to people after they stabbed him in the back. The author took a wrong turn somewhere.

Why are you defending it so much?

>>17999565
You can give it a go, but book 9 felt like a break of character. And this comes from a Will Wight shill who used to shill his "Nothing Personnel" Gate series.

[Anonymous No.18003760]

>>18003714
He told them to walk straight into the Dreadgod through the dreadbeast-infested valley. They're dead.

The battle at the end was to make the WT back off in order to save the entire Blackflame Empire, 100M+ people.

There's nothing to defend. You're just making unfounded criticisms.

[Anonymous No.18003761]

>>18003372
>>18003430
Are there any WESTERN isekais? Where Joe Schmo winds up transported to Han China or the Crusades or Hyrule for all I care. Everyone knows of A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court but Mark Twain is a huge faggot
Or for that matter, are there any examples of people from the past being transported to the present? For example, an Ancient Roman being transported to the modern day? I've seen Time After Time, but an 80 year difference between HG Wells time and the 1970s isnt exactly the kind of culture shock I'm after, not to mention the lack of permanence of it.

[Anonymous No.18003767]

>>18003714
>we didn't get the Iteration of Simon on Cradle
Simon would have torn Sacred Valley out by its roots.

[Anonymous No.18003816]

>>18003761
>Are there any WESTERN isekais?

[Anonymous No.18003895]

>>18003816
Is this a real movie because I might be interested

[Anonymous No.18003908]

are there any sff books with villainous protags?

[Anonymous No.18003919]

>>18003895
You never saw that movie?
That and Men in Tights with Chappelle were funny comedies in the 90s. How underage b& are you?

[Anonymous No.18003927]

>>18003919
I'm 18, so fairly old.

[Anonymous No.18003944]

>>18003908
Yes. If I feel like giving a fuck I might make a chart sometime.

[Anonymous No.18003945]

>>18003761
Yeah, loads. It doesn't matter what culture produces them, isekais are never good.

[Anonymous No.18003973]

>>18003945
>reading a Terry author

[Anonymous No.18004020]

>>17997014
Do you know how hard it is to shoot a bow, you sheltered little retard?

[Anonymous No.18004035]

>>18003919
I've seen Robin Hood Men In Tights, but the only movies I've seen from the 90s with black people are Space Jam and Kazaam

[Anonymous No.18004042]

>people born in 2003 can legally post here now
Scary thought.

[Anonymous No.18004051]

>>18003945
This was unironically fun.

[Anonymous No.18004090]

>>18004042
Is it scary because you can legally gobble them you, Ms Cougar?

[Anonymous No.18004214]

>>18003761
You can try reading the ritual poster’s favorite author E. William Brown. Daniel Black series iirc.

[Anonymous No.18004254]

>read too much Bakker in a few months
>notice my writing is taking subtle cues from him
This isn't good bros. I need a book with snappy, fast-paced writing. Anyone got some recs?

[Anonymous No.18004262]

>>18004042

>confusing site rules with the law

[Anonymous No.18004290]

>>18004254
He has that effect, doesn’t he?

[Anonymous No.18004296]

>>18004254
Brandle Sandle

[Anonymous No.18004321]

>>18003973
I only read books by authors with normal, real people first names. Terry falls into this category.

[Anonymous No.18004335]

>>18004290
It troubles me.

[Anonymous No.18004505]

>>18004254
Unironically Sanderson.
Combining Bakker and Sanderson is the holy grail.

[Anonymous No.18004537]

>>18004505

[Anonymous No.18004904]

Writing a character that slowly evolves into a god. The powers he develops are as follows: healing
creating matter
strength
Elemental attacks (water, fire, lighting)
prescience,
omniscience
omnibenevolence.

Any that should be added or removed? He's only suppose to have 7.

[Anonymous No.18004912]

>>18004904
omnibenevolence makes him uninteresting

sounds pretty gary stu anon, unironically read bakker for the story of a man who becomes a god

[Anonymous No.18004916]

>>18004904
Regeneration instead of healing, it's healing+ basically. Maybe just control over matter is enough.

>>18004912
>read bakker for the story of a man who becomes a god
Link?

[Anonymous No.18004922]

>>18004916
r scott bakker, the darkness that comes before. it’s a book not a webnovel dummy

[Anonymous No.18004924]

>>18004912
Nah, the bad guys are like "fallen angels" who have every power except omnibenevolence which is why they lose.

[Anonymous No.18004938]

>>18004904
>omnibenevolence
Why?

[Anonymous No.18004949]

>>18004938
See >>18004924

[Anonymous No.18004970]

>>18004042
>people born in 2008 would post here, if this site wasn't entirely outdated, was still part of the current teen experience, which it isn't the slightest
Average age for 4chan is probably mid-20s now, if not older.

[Anonymous No.18004979]

>>18003714
>Author is American
>Author doesn't do exactly what the Chinese authors do
>Reader becomes upset by this
SHOCKED PIKACHU FACE

[Anonymous No.18005015]

>>18004970
The ones who didn't make it kek

[Anonymous No.18005019]

Is there fantasy with a Glorantha feel to it? (besides King of Sartar)

[Anonymous No.18005039]

>>18004970
Probably got pushed way up due to 2016

[Anonymous No.18005143]

>>18005039
No, I doubt there're many zoomers here.

[Anonymous No.18005155]

>>17993896
I'm in search of a good Xuanhuan / Xianxia styled novel with GOOD writing, any suggestions?
I've already read and enjoyed:
Cradle
Desolate Era
Coiling Dragon
Renegade Immortal
Against the Gods

I've read and dropped:
I Shall Seal the Heavens
Reverend Insanity
Sovereign's Immortal
Stellar Transformations
Martial World
True Martial World
Ancient Strengthing Technique

I specifically want something that follows the format of a weak to strong character in a dog eats dog martial arts world, preferably without the accompannying pitfalls of the generic ones--that being purple or repetitious prose and thousands of chapters of filler

[Anonymous No.18005249]

>>17997281
you can be my bitch . . .

[Anonymous No.18005264]

I bought the first powder mage book, but I keep reading smut instead. Is it worth moving up my list?

[Anonymous No.18005279]

Why has this guy established himself as the #1 fantasy and science fiction youtuber. Seriously pleb tier opinions. Wheel of Time is his favorite series FFS

[Anonymous No.18005313]

>>18005279
No idea

any of you guys read his book? Was it shit?

[Anonymous No.18005320]

>>18005279
I feel disgust when I see his face.

[Anonymous No.18005507]

>>18005155
>read and enjoyed
Desolate Era
Coiling Dragon
>read and dropped:
Stellar Transformations

[Anonymous No.18005560]

>>18001072
don't lay it on too thick

[Anonymous No.18005598]

>>18004979
you have to go back

[Anonymous No.18005599]

I'm on another sci-fi kick, and am looking to try any really singular books or series I've missed.
I'd really appreciate if you could chime in with your recommendations. What's your favorite, or what are your favorite handful of science fiction reads, anons?
(I like all sorts, but will be more specific if asked.)

[Anonymous No.18005613]

>>18005599
radix tetrad :) if you had to read only one, i'd choose in other worlds as it is fairly short and self-contained. or go balls deep with radix and the last legends on earth.
in other worlds is about a dude who becomes chosen to help some ~17th-dimensional entity at the end of the universe stay alive by collecting tons and tons of PIG SHIT

[Anonymous No.18005623]

>>18003908
Hidden tower by James E Wisher.

[Anonymous No.18005649]

>>18005264
No.
>>18005279
At least it's not Storm Light. Anyway, he's popular because his opinions appeal to plebs.

[Anonymous No.18005670]

>>18005155
xuanhuan is just fantasy but written by chinks

[Anonymous No.18005679]

ESL here, would you say: The Victorians were more civilized then they know. or The Victorians were more civilized than they know.

[Anonymous No.18005690]

>>18005613
Whoa, can't believe I'd never heard of this one. I'll track it down. Thanks a ton, man

Keep them coming guys, I'd love to read all your favorites

[Anonymous No.18005695]

>>18005679
"Then" is for time; 'now and then'

"Than" is for comparisons; 'more than her'

so in this case, since you're not talking about a passage of time, it would be "The Victorians were more civilized than they know." Although, I think it should be "The Victorians were more civilized than they knew." Past tense, right?

[Anonymous No.18005715]

>>18005695
That is what I thought too, and thanks for picking up on the "knew", now would a British person say this differently?

[Anonymous No.18005730]

>>17998816
>the nonman forgets, the man regrets and the sranc have all the fun

[Anonymous No.18005740]

>>18005507
Yeah, I recognize the hypocrisy there. All three of those stories are extremely similar and even written by the same author, however, the translation for Stellar Transformations is really shitty. The story was decent but I couldn't get pass the ESL tier translation

[Anonymous No.18005746]

>>18005670
It's more focused on individualism, pseudo enlightenment, and martial arts though. And an Xuanhuan doesn't necessarily have to be written by a chinese person--Will Wright's (western writer) Cradle is a good example of this

[Anonymous No.18005765]

>>17996867
Eragon

[Anonymous No.18005782]

>>18005690
Let me know how you like them if you read any of them. If you want weird stuff, Egan's short story collections present unique ideas and Baxter's Vacuum Diagrams has some wild stuff.
>>18005740
How far did you get?

[Anonymous No.18005784]

>>18003761

[Anonymous No.18005794]

>>18005782
>How far did you get?
I read up to the beginning of book 2. So from him being crippled all the way to him inventing his own cultivation technique which he then used to save the village

[Anonymous No.18005828]

>>18005155
The best Chink cultivation series is Lord of the Mysteries.
Although, admittedly, it's not set in a martial arts world but rather one inspired by Victorian England.

[Anonymous No.18005861]

>>18005828
I suprisingly haven't read this one yet so I'll check it out later tonight.

[Anonymous No.18005867]

>>18005861
Be warned, its got a VERY slow start.

[Anonymous No.18005872]

>>18005867
A slow start won't hurt me. As long as the plot or premise is good I'll rip right through it

[Anonymous No.18005893]

>>18005794
>didn't get to where he's fighting octopi underwater with his black eagle bro and his monkey bro

[Anonymous No.18005897]

>>17993896
hi does anyone want to read my scifi story about radios

[Anonymous No.18006376]

>>18005782
Will do, and now know I'm certain I'll love them, since I do know these two and thought them wonderful enough I bought first editions of them both when I've always previously been a library person. They're exactly the sort of thing I could read forever. You're crazy cool, man.

[Anonymous No.18006445]

[Anonymous No.18006543]

Currently on the third book of Wheel of Time and damn this series just gets better with each book. So far I find it interesting how so far Perrin seems to be getting major focus in this one.

[Anonymous No.18006626]

>>18003761

John Carter and Three Hearts andThree lions you illiterate fag

[Anonymous No.18006635]

>>18002913
It's more about Books of the South being different and the Company is no longer in the underdog position. Also, their opposition is really laughable compared to what they faced in the North as they're more trying to piece together a mystery this time around.

[Anonymous No.18006655]

>>18005599
Anything specific? I liked the Sundiver. It's a pretty competent whodunit story, but also gateway into the Uplift universe.

[Anonymous No.18006694]

>>17993896
Do Choose Your Own Adventure books still exist nowadays? I'd like to try one, and if possible, not one for kids.

[Anonymous No.18006911]

>>18006543
It peaks at 5, and then goes downhill from there.

[Anonymous No.18006940]

>>18005155
A Will Eternal is my favorite but it's more of a comedy that plays on the tropes.
It's from the author of Renegade Immortal and I Shall Seal the Heavens, I'm curious to know why you dropped the second one it was really good imo.
Divine Throne of Primordial Blood is quite good too. It's basically the origin story of Xianxia where people shift from stealing monster abilities to cultivating their own power.
Warlock of the Magus World is often recommended here for the darker story, if you want a dog eat dog world it's gonna be this one.

Whatever you do don't pick up Martial God Asura and Emperor's Domination, every arc is basically copy pasted.

[Anonymous No.18007182]

>>18006694
>www.CHYOA.com
Here you go, senpai.

[Anonymous No.18007219]

>>17993896
>No anime edition.
Incomprehensibly based.

[Anonymous No.18007243]

>>18006911
Damn that sucks to hear

[Anonymous No.18007362]

>>18007243
It's not quite true. It peaks in 5-6, dips until 11, then 11-12 are fantastic. Then Jordan died and Sanderson took over.

[Anonymous No.18007415]

>>18007362
Oh okay thanks anon, I was worried that half of the series was going to be awful.

[Anonymous No.18007429]

>>18004505

[Anonymous No.18007441]

>>18005746
Cradle has cultivation, it's xianxia.

[Anonymous No.18007448]

>>18007441
So does practically every shonen manga.

[Anonymous No.18007463]

>>18006940
Every single chink story is set in a brutal dog eat dog world (apart from comedies).

[Anonymous No.18007481]

>>18007448
Nah.
>>18007441
It even goes back to the roots of xianxia with later advancements requiring enlightenment/insight.

[Anonymous No.18007521]

>>18007182
>www.CHYOA.com
lmao got me

[Anonymous No.18007616]

>>18006655

[Anonymous No.18007782]

>>18005649
stormlight aint that bad tho

[Anonymous No.18007791]

>>18007782
Stormlight is terrible.

[Anonymous No.18007798]

>>18007791
hmm, im quite new to fantasy so i guess my opinion is kinda invalid here lmao, why is it bad tho?

[Anonymous No.18007820]

>>18007798
Don't worry. The majority of posters here are new to fantasy as well--the ones that bother to read, anyhow.

[Anonymous No.18007829]

>>18007820
i see, but why is storm light terrible because to me it doesent seem thaaat bad

[Anonymous No.18007861]

>>18007798
>>18007829
Because it's Sanderson rehashing a bunch of generic characters he uses in every series he writes, while putting more focus on his "magic system" than anything else, then throwing in a bunch of nonsensical customs that are never explained or justified to make it seem like there's actually some real worldbuilding when there isn't. And the powers are copied wholesale from video games, most notably Kingdom Hearts.
The pacing is terrible, you could trim 60% of each book and leave out nothing of value. The characters are awful, Shallan is somehow even worse than Sanderson's typical quirky so funny empowered girl character that was already bad enough before Stormlight. The Villains are bad, Megatr- I mean Odium is utterly uninteresting. Then there's the way he tries to tie it in to all his other series so you're forced to buy more of his books to know what's happening (the exact same thing Comic publishers do to con money out of you). The themes are bad, "muh colonialism", never read that before.
All in all there's just nothing in them that's actually good, especially not the prose. I'm sure some anon will oblige to post the "He said in pretty good Alethi" excerpt.

If you want some stupid low brow fantasy, Cradle is unironically better. It's still dumb, but at least every book isn't padded out by 600 pages and crossed over with 4 other franchises. If you want some actually good modern fantasy try the Five Gods series by Bujold. But for your own benefit read something other than Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.18007950]

>>18007861
I see what you mean, especially with the political messages. Im only reading this to wait for Abercrombies next book anyways

[Anonymous No.18007976]

>>17995018
it seems you have been btfo subhuman animetranny

[Anonymous No.18007999]

>>18003589
is this how you trannies cope after being obliterated in arguments?

[Anonymous No.18008025]

>>17996503
Unironically, yes

[Anonymous No.18008044]

What was worse:
>Old feebleTaravangian stabbing a god in the back and taking his powers
OR
>Lindon shooing a dreadgod away through a simple hallucination

[Anonymous No.18008046]

Don't care still reading Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.18008076]

I'd read more sanderson if I didnt run out of sanderson to read

[Anonymous No.18008082]

>>18008046
proverbs 26:11

[Anonymous No.18008093]

>>18008046
>>18008076
I find the Stormlight Archive fandom the most retarded at times, not you guys but generaly because some characters look asian they feel like they need to correct every head canon you have calling you racist if you imagine shallan as a typical ginger

[Anonymous No.18008100]

>>18007861
>try the Five Gods series by Bujold
where do I start with this? I like series where gods need to influence mortals. Also holy shit you're right I did waste my time reading over 3000 pages of Sanderson when I could've read something shorter and better

[Anonymous No.18008102]

>>18003372
>How can we put a new and original spin on the isekai concept?
completely discard it

[Anonymous No.18008105]

>>18008093
isnt Shallan a ginger though? they keep having to bring up her red hair

[Anonymous No.18008108]

>>18003945
only western isekai can be good

[Anonymous No.18008112]

>>18008100
Either Penric's Demon, which is the first of an excellent Novella series, or Curse of Chalion, which is the first of a trilogy. Penric's Demon is set about 200 years before Curse, but they aren't really directly related.

[Anonymous No.18008119]

>>18003761
>Mark Twain is a huge faggot
you will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.18008123]

>>18008105
Its the fact that all the characters other than szeth have epicanthic folds that make them asian for some reason which makes a lot of people automatically think everyone in the book is a "POC". Like someone on their subreddit told me that me imagining Adolin looking like your typical german was racist and i need to act like the book series had POCs. Its beyond retarded

[Anonymous No.18008138]

>>18008123
ahh yes the guy who's describing characters are "blond hair light blue eyes" cant be german you racist

[Anonymous No.18008144]

>>18008123
fandom is retarded because even "asian" looking characters are not quite asian. They faces have caucasian features.

[Anonymous No.18008162]

>>18008144
as a chink I always find the term "asian" as a descriptor a bit weird, I mean I don't look like an Indian so what is "asian" supposed to refer to

[Anonymous No.18008164]

>Started both Bakker and Dune
aaaaaa
why do i always do that
Now i have to decide if i either read everything or switch series every book

[Anonymous No.18008179]

>>18008162
it mostly comes from outdated three race concept of caucasian, mongoloid and negroid. Now calling someone mongoloid is offensive, so they changed it in generic asian.

[Anonymous No.18008185]

>>18008144
>characters are supposed to be asian
>have white characteristics and blue eyes
is Sanderson secretly a hapa or something?

[Anonymous No.18008188]

>>18008185
I think he was going for original setting. I think his justification for epicanthic folds in most of the population is constant storms in their world.

[Anonymous No.18008189]

>>18008144
Literally this, and at the end of the day they cant tell me how i should imagine a character

[Anonymous No.18008202]

>>18008188
do you feel like its the fandom that brings race analogies into his works more than him? pretty sure he just wanted to make original humans but people start seeting when they see whites nowadays

[Anonymous No.18008223]

>>18008202
Definitely, i was looking for a post about fanart on their official reddit and honestly when people posted a pic of teft where he is not brown and with epicanthic folds they flipped. And a post about how people are whitewashing the series with art

[Anonymous No.18008227]

>>18008202
>do you feel like its the fandom that brings race analogies into his works more than him?
yes I do. Also despite what ledditors say they are also as obsessed with races as 4chan, just in opposite direction. They would not have as much problem changing character's race if he was white. They are clinging to this epicanthic folds for their arguments but completely disregard the fact that their faces are caucasian.

[Anonymous No.18008256]

New thread
>>18008250
>>18008250
>>18008250

[Anonymous No.18008285]

>>18008123
Chinkniggers are just mad they're not the protagonists, but not even they would read a story if a chink or a nigger was the main lmao every other race besides whites are literally npcs both in looks and behavior

[Anonymous No.18008297]

>>17993896
Based OP

[Anonymous No.18008327]

>>18008285
They would unironically read a series with a black protagonist just because of their race

[Anonymous No.18008528]

>>17993901
to make vtrannies seethe

[Anonymous No.18008544]

>>17994831
despite everything he is a pretty good writer

[Anonymous No.18008576]

>>17996208
it's ok series

[Anonymous No.18008587]

>>17994730
Based

[Anonymous No.18008991]

>>18008046
chad