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Please someone tell me, as directly after finishing this book I considered it one of the best I ever read, but now the ending is effing with me. Does the kid become one with the judge as they embrace, before killing the little girl in the outhouse? or is the kid killed by the judge? The second makes sense in that the judge believes to have ultimately failed him by having "clemency for the heathen"— that is, for pacifists, and how the judge seeks to control everything through understanding it and then destroy everything after he controls it. Also the "straight path or winding path" to the judge is representative of the path men take to death: the straight one being the violent one, but the winding one being that of one who is wary of violence, like the kid as an adult, who only serves as an escort for travellers and never rejoins the scalpers, etc. He chooses the winding path yet ends up at the judge (death) nevertheless. the reason why I believe the judge is playing the role of death at the end is that he is pale, naked and dancing and playing the fiddle, which is an obvious reference to the medieval depiction of the Danse Macabre, featuring death as a skeleton dancing and fiddling. Also the "dance" that is being referred to is the game or dance of life. The live is to dance this dance, but the rhythm and the beat are set by the time period and surroundings you are thrown into, then eventually it's time to leave the floor, while death dances on. The 'Blood meridian' is the apex of the violence of modern man, and the kid/the man is modern man himself. This is why it says at the start, the father is the son of the child. the more vicious man of the 1840s was the immature child who sired the mature more peaceful man of today, who dances the dance without remembering his violent past (decadent society). the story being a metaphor for the progress into civility and modernity is also backed up by the epiloque, where a man is digging holes for a fence and behind him people are gathering up the bones- the remnants of the past. BUUUT, McCarthy had connections to Jeffrey Epstein, child rape repeats a lot in his work, and who then was the third man pissing and warning the other two not to enter the jakes? Please discuss, I will comment more of my analysis if people participate.

>> No.17993701

>>17993413
The judge rapes the kid

>> No.17993946

>>17993413
Reddit

>> No.17994003

>>17993946
there are four things can destroy the world, and you lit niggers are one of them

>> No.17994031

>>17993946
>guy tries to start a discussion about literature
>reddit
never fucking change /lit/

>> No.17994114

>>17993413
>McCarthy had connections to Jeffrey Epstein
damn I didn’t know that

>> No.17994138

>>17993413
>McCarthy had connections to Epstein
Source?

>> No.17994269

>>17994114
>>17994138
Epstein donated 1/4 million to the Santa Fe Institute, of which McCarthy is a trustee. The leader of the institute said some stuff in the past that insinuates he at least visited the island

>> No.17995355

>>17994269
based

>> No.17995858

>>17993413
I'm more confused as to what Holden meant by OP pic, "I will never die", the only thing that comes to mind is Nietzsche's eternal recurrence, and through being aware of the eternal recurrence gives to some degree a credence of immortality, but I don't know if McCarthy was influenced by Nietzsche

>> No.17996191

>>17994031
We won't.

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>>17993413
this was simultaneously a block buster action flick and an art-house darling. I'm gonna read it again and again

>> No.17996348

>>17994269
I lived in New Mexico for a while and Epstein had a lot of weird connections there as did Johnny Depp for some reason, but back to Epstein. He had some kind of compound between Santa Fe and Albuquerque as well as connections with the governor at the time of his arrest and completely believable suicide. His money flowed through a number of projects and institutions there. I could never figure out why, there was nothing out there to be had. It was a strange place.

>> No.17996390

>>17993413
The smoothe brain take is the judge rapes and murders the man. The big brain take is that the man rapes and murders the girl. The galexy brain take is that the judge murder the girl, embraced the man and let him live, he then warns the other men not to enter while relieving himself. He is now the judges son. The galexy brain take is that the judge and the man are the opposing side of the same coin and one exist inspite if the other. The judge realises this and wants to kill the man but refuses to and embraces him. But I just got off work on a saturday, so grain of brain.

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>>17996348
Human trafficing bro. Mr. E was trafficking fuck meat bro. He was trafficking human for illigeal ill intent bro.

>> No.17996917

>>17993413
I interpreted the dance as something different. Before anyone, it is the bear performing on the stage who dances. He has no agency or motivation, he simply dances because he is taught to. Even when he is shot and bleeding to death, all he can do is dance. It is all he knows. Then, the members of the bar go out and dance as well. They are a lot like the bear; they do not know why they dance, just like they don't know why they are in the bar that night. Only the judge has control. He understands every action he takes and he is the only one who is genuinely dancing. Everyone else is just a meaningless echo of his actions. The kid understands this, but he also understands that he is powerless to stop it. The judge is a force of nature who will never die. So, knowing that he can't dance in the way that the judge can, and realizing the falseness of the bar patrons' dancing, he refuses to dance at all. Because the kid refuses, the judge kills him for it.

Does the judge kill the kid because he escaped the cycle, or because the kid finally fell to the judge's control? I don't really know. I like to think it's the first one. But the point is, it doesn't really matter. The judge persists, the fences go up, oil is found, and the cycle restarts. There is no justice, only progress.

>> No.17998263

What if the kid was bathcat all along? It would not drastically alter much, that I'm aware of...