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Just finished Zarathustra, what else should I read by him? I'm also planning on reading "On Nietzsche" by Bataille and "Nietzsche and Philosophy" by Deleuze at some point.

>> No.17991164

>>17991139
Dead white man, don’t bother. Read Pamela Sneed instead

>> No.17991191

>>17991164
idk if this is a joke or not but let's not go there, I'm all for critical and leftist theory though

>> No.17991247

>>17991139
Zarathustra's character was based on Wagner. So try there.

>> No.17991257

>>17991139
The Gay Science, Beyond Good and Evil, Genealogy of Morals, Twilight of the Idols and The Antichrist are the best ones.

>> No.17991260

Have you read Eroticism by Georges Bataille? That Book changes how I think about everything in life.

>> No.17991279

>>17991139
All Too Human Parts I and II and the gay science. How to philosophize with a hammer. And his "The Greek State"

>> No.17991440

>>17991260
I'm currently going through Visions of Excess, also bought the biography by Michel Surya, got the critical introduction by Noys from the library and downloaded the book with Acephale's writings and internal documents (I think it was called "the sacred conspiracy"), definitely wanna read Eroticism later on as well though.

>> No.17991445

>>17991257
Thanks, I'll check them all out eventually. Would you happen to know which of his works are mainly referenced in Bataille's and which in Deleuze's book on him?

>> No.17991693

>>17991445
Not him, but Bataille's book isn't really "on" Nietzsche (a large part is his own WWII diary), more so in Nietzsche's spirit; still a good book tho. He mainly references Zarathustra, Will to Power, and Gay Science I believe.
Deleuze mainly draws from the Genealogy and Zarathustra.
I would also recommend, in terms of primary-secondary lit, Nietzsche and the Vicious Circle by Klossowski (which draws almost entirely from Nietzsche unpublished fragments).

>> No.17991989

OP add Heidegger's Grand Livre (his lectures on N) to your list. They are very important for how the French and especially Derrida approach Nietzsche, nihilism, ontological difference and the eternal return.

>> No.17993227

>>17991989
Was it ever released as a book or should I look up a pdf somewhere? Been meaning to get into Heidegger in general.
>>17991693
I guess I'll read Gay Science and Genealogy after I'm done with Bataille's Visions of Excess.

>> No.17994120

>>17991257
>The Gay science
>Beyond Good and Evil
My nigger, Nietzsche's versus are just too fucking beautiful.

>How will I reach the top of the mountain?
>Don't think about it and keep climbing.

Also add Ecce Homo for good measure.

>> No.17995651

I am really interested in reading Nietzsche, but I am wondering what prerequisite reading is necessary to understand him, as I have no background in philosophy. I get conflicting advice when I look it up. Some people suggest a huge list of canonical philosophers such as Hume and Kant, but I swear I also read that since Nietzsche was a philologist he would not have been conversant with such philosophies as this was not his background, and that he would have only really been knowledgeable in the ancients. I know Schopenhauer was an influence on his thought and I want to read him first anyway. Some people say to use a secondary sources as you will misread him otherwise and some people say that that will taint your interpretation. What is the best method?

>> No.17996180

>>17995651
I hadn't read much philosophy when I first read Zarathustra and I think I got it just fine. You can always read some secondary stuff on Nietzsche or dare I say look up youtube videos on philosophers that influenced him but just diving right in is as valid as any other strategy. I mean sure you could start with the greeks but I feel like reading something solely because you feel like it's a prerequisite for something else is rarely enjoyable. You'll probably want to read up on other stuff after him anyways and you'll have a much clearer view on what it might be. Especially with Nietzsche I don't think there's one clear interpretation of his works anyways. Don't worry too much about it. A friend of mine has an MA degree in philosophy and he said the exact same thing to me when I had these doubts, you can always work your way backwards or branch out to whatever you feel like you want to read next and revisit stuff you've read before later on or whatever.

>> No.17996217

>>17993227
Yes its published under two volumes with the title simply being Nietzsche I/II and Nietzsche III/IV.

>> No.17996255

>>17991139
only read that once you already have a grasp on his thinking. u messed up

>> No.17996262
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>>17991139
hhh ($ money shot $D

>> No.17996957

>>17996255
>>17996262
sorry for listening to a friend's recommendations instead of autistically following a flowchart someone on an anonymous image board mafe

>> No.17997028

>>17991164
Sneeds feed and seed, formerly chucks

>> No.17997495

>>17996957
starting with Zarathustra is what generally leads to misinderstanding his philosophy. It's not true that you messed up, but you should definitely read his other main works too (all of which are shorter than Zarathustra)

>> No.17997512

>>17991257
>>17994120

Antichrist and Ecce Homo are literal garbage. The man was in rapid cognitive decline. Twilight of the Idols is the last great work by Nietzsche.

>> No.17997549
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This

>> No.17997988

>>17997512
>Antichrist and Ecce Homo are literal garbage.
Retard alert

>> No.17998009

>>17997549
>(((Kaufmann)))

>> No.17998034

>>17997495
>starting with Zarathustra is what generally leads to misinderstanding his philosophy
wrong

>> No.17999314

>>17998034
I mean you’ll probably get the gist of some of the chapters but it’s all written in parables in a highly metaphoric language. For someone with no idea about Nietzsche they won’t know what he’s talking about and he is also notoriously one of the most misunderstood philosophers.

>> No.17999868

>>17999314
I mean I'll revisit it sometime in the future anyways and I fully intend to read other works by him as well, just don't feel like reading them all in a row with nothing else inbetween

>> No.18000478

>>17999868
The chart in >>17996262 is actually pretty good. Don't really think you need Stirner or Kant though. A vague familiarity with the Ancients would probably serve you better.

>> No.18000485

>>17991139
Jung’s Zarathustra lectures. Give the post BGE works a quick read before those: they’re short, and interface directly with TSZ