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Came across Mitchell Heisman's "Suicide Note" today. It's ~1900 pages yet there's zero discourse on the Internet that isn't just bashing it for the obvious reasons (antisemitism, nihilist wank, etc.)
Has anyone genuinely read this or am I stumbling across a potential hidden gem here? 2,000 pages is a lot of work for someone who plans to an hero.

>> No.17986127

>>17986118
ill read it all soon

>> No.17986311

>>17986118
It's not that great. Overly educated guy, but full of logical errors hidden behind jokes. There's this weird inconsistent determinism throughout a lot of his historical examples where he'll pull some obscure conflict from 1000 years ago and then argue everything afterwards was inevitable, somehow. Plus he criticizes scientific "objectivity" for not being "truly objective" because scientists have motives. Obviously if science was objective from that standpoint, then every textbooks would contain arbitrary information displayed randomly irrespective of the reader. That fallacy bugged me a lot.

>> No.17986355

>>17986118
if you search the archives you'll find a few threads about it, he has some fans here. I think there are definitely some interesting concepts sprinkled throughout it(I haven't read all of it, just skimmed parts) but I don't think the basic framework outlined in the beginning, about the non-superiority of life over death, and Judaism specifically as protoAI, etc. really constitutes a complete or coherent philosophy. It's like he stitched together a whole bunch of vaguely related but unintegrated essays he wrote without an underlying framework.

Given his dramatic suicide I assume he was sort of mentally ill, maybe bipolar or something, would account for the obvious intellectual exuberance and kind of scattered nature of his thinking.

>> No.17986402

>>17986118
dude normans lmao

>> No.17987056

>>17986118
>"Hitler refuted Marx at Auschwitz."
Based.

>> No.17987251

>>17986118
I was a big fan, his core argument from like page ~1865 was very pithy and crushing, but I'm Christian now and mourn his soul. I didn't read all of it though; he needed an editor but couldn't show anyone since they would ward him.

>> No.17987293

>>17986118
I want to read it but I always say "man a 2000 pages long shitpost is a lot, i could be reading X instead" and then I do neither

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>>17987293
>>17987251
I read the first 100 and the last 100 pages. Once he dropped the 'bomb' that he was ostensibly a self-hating Jew performing the ultimate in self-hate through a rational lens, I made the judgment that the remainder of this is meandering and likely just endlessly expanding upon what this anon >>17986402 summed up.
Every day pic related, a literal norm(an)ie face(berg)book meme, becomes more profound.

>> No.17987343

>>17986118
I started reading it but it turns into schizo anti-Semitic stuff about 100 pages in. Like he does shit like connecting the shape of the pyramids with the star of David and derives meaning from this.

>> No.17987382

>>17986118
>am I stumbling across a potential hidden gem here
Stay on your meds, bro, you still have the option of a life ahead of you

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>>17987382
Yeahhhhh, thinking I have to side with you on this one, anon.

>> No.17987452

>>17986118
>It's ~1900 pages
Woah nigga, I won't read your kiddie rant!

He should have edited it until a really good book had formed (100 or 200 pages tops)

>> No.17987492

>>17986402
Look to the Saxon chasing Viking
Look to the Norman chasing Saxon
Look to the German chasing German
German German German German

>> No.17987528

>>17987343
It's not antisemitic, the guy is Jewish himself and sees Judaism as like the guiding force of historical development. And the thing about the pyramids is purely symbolic, a pyramid is a representation of hierarchy, the star of David is an inverted hiearchy overlaid on an upright hierarchy, it's just Nietzsche's slave revolt in morality thing.

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Can anyone recc some more stuff like this? I’ve ready schreber, Nijinsky, Artaud, Elliot Rodgers and this, looking for some good schizo lit

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>>17987546
Bump