Jordan Peterson

[Anonymous No.17980317]

anon
why you hate him?

[Anonymous No.17980325]

>>17980317
because he’s a babbling benzo addicted pseud who has influenced too many normal retards into believing his bullshit. dubs get

[Anonymous No.17980331]

Because he gives genuine advice and promotes a lot of interesting historical figures but it's all just to endorse his boring brand of liberalism that causes every issue in the world that he whines about.

[Anonymous No.17980338]

>>17980317
I think some of his stuff can have a positive impact on aimless people who feel lost and need some sort of guidance in the form of self-help. If he only did the self help stuff it would be fine with me but he kinda ruins it by using the self help as a vehicle for his lazy politics, misogyny and transphobia.

[Anonymous No.17980340]

I'm adding Jordan Petersen to my filter

[Anonymous No.17980343]

>>17980338
>misogyny and transphobia
both non issues

[Anonymous No.17980347]

He is a dirty materialist whose religion is evolutionary psychology.

[Anonymous No.17980356]

>>17980317
>Jannies?

[Anonymous No.17980372]

>>17980317
I used to think he might really be facist, idk if his balls dropped off or what but he only tows the cringelib line these days

[Anonymous No.17980373]

>>17980325
dr jordan peterson (PBUH) has helped more people than you ever will. all you can do is bring up his benzo addiction ad nauseum, or seethe because he misinterpreted marx or pomo or some inconsequential shit, as if anyone cares.

[Anonymous No.17980375]

>>17980317
He'd have anyone on /lit/ stuttering in a debate and that's the truth.

[Anonymous No.17980397]

>>17980373
If anyone took benefit from peter griffinsons basic ass self help advice they were worthless humans and will continue to be worthless.
Imagine needing some kermit voiced canadian boomer to tell you how to live your life as a fucking adult. Its the ultimate failure as a man.
YWNBARM

[Anonymous No.17980402]

>>17980317
He lost to a slovenian Chad and went of the wagon as a result, he's an embarrassing human being who is so cucked by his own daughter he goes on an all meat diet and all of his "rules" are trite and obvious. If you like Jordan Peterson pick up literally any other book for god's sake if not for your own.

[Anonymous No.17980416]

>>17980397
so? there's still countless people who are living better lives because of him, whether they started off as man children or not, it doesn't matter. christ you sound bitter. you rabid peterson haters are even more insufferable than his fans.

[Anonymous No.17980433]

>>17980397
>worthless humans and will continue to be worthless
good god have sex

[Anonymous No.17980435]

>>17980317
I wonder why

[Anonymous No.17980452]

>>17980416
And they are still worse off than real men because they couldnt figure this shit out themselves, lmfao.

[Anonymous No.17980457]

>>17980452
keep coping troon.

[Anonymous No.17980467]

>>17980317
When I was a cringe Twitter communist I used to hate him
I haven’t used Twitter in 3 years or so now and kind of like a lot of what he says the more I look into his stuff. He’s done a lot of good for a lot of people in changing their ways, and he seems to legitimately care about teaching and his students. Sure, it’s not the deepest thing in the world, what he talks about, but I think that’s by design. He wants to appeal to the average person who may know little to fuck all about psychology and philosophy, and he does that well, for better or worse.

[Anonymous No.17980485]

>>17980331
Exactly.

[Anonymous No.17980495]

>>17980317
Because I'm a narcissist and think I'm better than him

[Anonymous No.17980497]

>>17980452
Nobody just “figures it out themselves” in regard to anything without some kind of external stimuli to aid the process in realisation, you thick fucking cunt.

[Anonymous No.17980512]

>>17980452
It doesn't matter you worthless fucking retard, that's the point. These people are happier and are living better lives because of him. Whether some bitter faggot like you on the internet doesn't think of them as "real men" because it took reading a self help author who makes lectures about the metaphysics of Pinocchio to fix their life, or whether some smelly dirtbag reddit dweller takes issue with his misreading of Das Kapital means fucking nothing. You are missing the point.

[Anonymous No.17980516]

>>17980347
Occupational hazard of being a psychologist. You would be an evolutionary psychologist too if you witnessed the complexes your patients suffered from caused by man made belief systems.

[Anonymous No.17980520]

Surface level self help advice and ill informed critiques of philosophy and politics with an obnoxious cult fanbase of incels looking for a daddy

[Anonymous No.17980530]

>>17980497
They do if they were raised properly and competed in contact sports, went hunting and camping etc as a child.

[Anonymous No.17980548]

>>17980530
You do realise you have to be taught all of those things

[Anonymous No.17980568]

>>17980548
Yes, by your biological father, not some kermit voiced canadian boomer who wants to make money.

[Anonymous No.17980580]

>>17980568
Why do you thinking searching for and finding a father figure is a bad thing, especially if your biological father is shit/dead/left you? JP obviously writes things that speak to these young men. Maybe if your father was better he could have taught you that having a soul and empathy is important

[Anonymous No.17980599]

>>17980325
>>17980397
>>17980452
>>17980568
Why do Peterson haters always sound like such bitter misanthropes bros?

[Anonymous No.17980600]

>>17980568
some people didnt have the privilege of having fathers/normal childhood

[Anonymous No.17980630]

>>17980580
>>17980599
>>17980600
>waah waah Im not a real man dont make fun of me because I listen to peter griffinson
Lmao

[Anonymous No.17980649]

>>17980630

[Anonymous No.17980661]

There are different groups that hate him for different reasons; here's some of the main ones:

A) Contrarian edgelords who actually agree with most of what he says but want to stand out by going against the hype.
B) Woke retards who base their opinion on mainstream media attacks on him.
C) People who don't buy into phenomenology (either they scoff at it similar to how he scoffs at post-modernism; usually they don't understand that school of thought's influence on Clinical Psychology)
D) Midwits who are too dumb to flush out his arguments properly and see him as another Deepak Chopra
E) People who have read things along the lines of pic related; their suspicion of him is compounded by the fact he has (arguably superficial) common ground with the alt right

Those are the main groups that I can think of anyway.

[Anonymous No.17980662]

>>17980338
You'll never be a woman.

[Anonymous No.17980692]

>>17980661
FYI: The three intellectuals covered in that book comprise a big chunk of his major influences. Nietzsche is missing (but apprehensions toward him speak for themselves without having to read a book as to why).

[Anonymous No.17980696]

>>17980661
F) Those who recognize his reduction of religion and metaphysics to being purely psychological processes that only serve to support his brand of boomer liberalism
Arguing that working a soulless 40 hour job is actually the basic condition of man and without it out life has no meaning, and his purposefully profane interpretations of scripture to back up such claims. Its a fucking joke.

[Anonymous No.17981126]

>>17980662
lol i love how people think this is the most epic own. it's like 2005 redditor-tier insult. if you're incapable of coming up with an original insult for trans people, who are the easiest people to make fun of, then just kill yourself. you may as well be taking the hormones yourself.

[Anonymous No.17981160]

>>17981126
You will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.17981194]

>>17980317
I don't hate him, I hate his fanbase. His rise coincided with the decline of /lit/.

[Anonymous No.17981833]

>>17980696
I see you fall into the C category with a dash of D.

C)
He doesn't reduce religion and metaphysics to psychological processes; he frequently cites Mircea Elide as a chief influence (hierophanies). Regarding his views on metaphysics, his main source of inspiration is Carl Jung. Neither of these points toward an assumption that religion/metaphysics are "purely psychological processes."

As far as his supposedly arguing that people should work soulless jobs; as a clinician, he's influenced by the applied phenomenology of Carl Rogers as well as the daseinanalysis of Ludwig Binswanger and Medard Boss. I'd like to see you reduce their work to the championing of soulless work as the sole source of a meaningful life.

D)
There's nothing wrong with using animal models in science. In fact, the research he was doing at the time I had him as a prof involved studying pleasure/reward circuits in mice. His most famous use, lobsters, is just used to draw attention to the fact that the structure regulating dominance behavior (i.e. formation of hierarchies) has existed "longer than trees have." This isn't an argument in favor of a specific political or social system, that's extemporaneous to what he's getting at. Rather, he's asserting that social structures will have to accommodate such drives in some form. He isn't using biology the same way as Deepak uses Quantum Physics.
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I took his class at University before he blew up. The pic is the textbook that was used (it's out of print but he licensed it into a course reader). He drew heavily on Part III of the book (Kantian Models in the Phenomenological Outlook); which is the Rogers/Binswanger/Boss stuff (Jean Piaget's and George A. Kelly's constructivist models are also covered in that section). What's available of his lectures on YouTube is only the first half of the course and isn't that representative of all that we were taught.

If you want to write me off as a fanboy, you can go ahead. In reality, I had to listen to the guy 4 hours a week for 4 months and spend hours reading shit that he himself curated. I have a pretty solid idea of him (and know where to be suspicious...the correct answer was E).

[Anonymous No.17981855]

>>17980397
>as a fucking adult
Implying the people that get the most out of his advice aren't young people that have not reached full maturity yet

[Anonymous No.17981868]

>>17981126
That does not change the fact that you will never be a woman.

[Anonymous No.17981872]

>>17980317
HEIL

[Anonymous No.17981882]

>>17980338
He’s a free speech advocate, and you’re on a literature board. Looks like I got baited.

[Anonymous No.17981883]

>>17980347
>dirty materialist
Holy shit, really?? Me too

[Anonymous No.17981886]

>>17981833
Shhh anon, too much nuance isn't good for their peanut-brains.

[Anonymous No.17981912]

>>17980375
That's not saying much thought

[Anonymous No.17981956]

>>17981886

[Anonymous No.17981977]

>>17980661
I only hate him because he bloviates. Everything from Peterson I've ever seen is the most basic undergrad shit that he dresses up by maundering around it at incredible length; I find him agonizing to listen to. Every time it seems like he's approaching the explication of a legitimate point he just starts talking around something else with generalities again. It also doesn't help that his most devoted fanboys treat anything with actual complexity like it's witchcraft.

[Anonymous No.17982053]

>>17981977
I never got the sense that he was bloviating, I think he has a great talent for presenting complex materials in a way that's so simple that the average person will understand. I haven't paid too much attention to him in recent years though.

His fanbase does seem pretty ridiculous though. They existed at the university before he was famous (I almost didn't take his section of Personality Psych because I had too many acquaintances fall under his spell and hype him up. My sense was he was presenting basic truth bombs and lightly profaning a few sacred cows; we didn't get much of that at a Canadian University and I figured people were just overly excited by that. However, his class was actually pretty great...but I figured I'd had enough of him and didn't take Maps of Meaning).

Also, one thing that I'm sure isn't in the lectures he posted online (I'm sure there would have been a firestorm if it were there): when we were covering 'g' as a psychometric he went off about black people having lower IQs and social programmes need to be developed to take that into account. No one challenged him on it, the class was just silent lol.

[Anonymous No.17982061]

>>17980375
I would destroy him in a debate

[Anonymous No.17982066]

>>17980331
Excellent assessment.

[Anonymous No.17982099]

>>17982061
No, you wouldn't.

[Anonymous No.17982148]

Seeing as this is /lit, here's the English Department's Jordan Peterson @ UofT:

Ariel
https://youtu.be/yEZ6pCrDq7s [Embed]

The Waste Land
https://youtu.be/JO8rEIddgrI [Embed]

Leonard Cohen
https://youtu.be/toluWVW6VZg [Embed]

He doesn't post his full lectures online as Peterson did (these are truncated versions). Here's a super-condensed one he did on Lolita (https://youtu.be/5Lz_f1qjGiA))