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Seems like I'm missing something

>> No.17972343

>>17972334
read it out loud

>> No.17972354

>>17972334
Read a poetry compilation, like "the greatest poems of all time collected" or something like that and look for poets you like, then read more of their work and find related artists or see if they are part of a movement/style you might be interested in.

>> No.17972371

YOU ARE MISSING THE KEY, WHICH IS WHY YOU CANNOT ENTER.

>> No.17972524

>>17972334
Read them slow. very slow
Its much different than a play or prose. With those you mostly draw from syntax and the overarching message. With poetry you should focus on each individual word, savor each word, syllable, rhyme, etc.
It also helps to read them more than once.
I found reading out loud to be too general and subjective, it depends on the poem, but you should at least try to read it out loud

>> No.17972538

>>17972371
ew ew EW EW

>> No.17972568

Which anthology should I get? Price is not a factor, but availability is.

>> No.17972581

>>17972568
Come on man, this has been answered extensively in the wiki. Please put some effort into your posting

>> No.17972588

>>17972334
Read them out loud. Beatnik poetry is specially forgiving and it's kind of edgy so the regular 4chan user can find it either funny or cringy, entertaining nonetheless.

>> No.17972599

>>17972581
wiki?

>> No.17972646
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17972646

READ BAUDELAIRE NOW OR DIE NOT KNOWING TRUE INSIGHT

>> No.17972655

>>17972599Name Author/Editor
The Best Poems of the English Language Harold Bloom
The Norton Anthology of Poetry Margaret Ferguson, Mary Jo Salter & Jon Stallworthy
A Folio Anthology of Poetry Carol Ann Duffy
The Winged Horse Anthology Joseph Auslander & Frank Ernest Hill
The Oxford Book of English Verse Arthur Quiller-Couch
The New Oxford Book of English Verse Helen Gardner
The Rattle Bag Seamus Heaney and Ted Hughes

>> No.17972718

read an epic. if you dig it, dive into that authprs poetry. boom!

>> No.17972760
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>>17972646
Oh okay.

>> No.17973114

I really like Emily Dickinson. She can be a bit cryptic sometimes, but her poems are very often beautiful. Here's a good one:

Through lane it lay — through bramble —
Through clearing and through wood —
Banditti often passed us
Upon the lonely road.

The wolf came peering curious —
The owl looked puzzled down —
The serpent's satin figure
Glid stealthily along —

The tempests touched our garments —
The lightning's poinards gleamed —
Fierce from the Crag above us
The hungry Vulture screamed —

The satyr's fingers beckoned —
The valley murmured "Come" —
These were the mates —
This was the road
Those children fluttered home.

>> No.17973119

>>17972524
this

>> No.17973620

>>17972760
Butterfly, you'll never be as pretty as her. Even in your prime, you were less than her right shoulder, and now, everyday, you age more and more ugly.

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>>17973620
So?

>> No.17973665

>>17973657
I'm only speaking the truth.

>> No.17973679

>>17973620
you don't understand.. Butterfly has objectified women to the point of no return, where the only consumation is BECOMING the ultimate goal of his desire. Still unsatisfied, he now prowls /lit/ and continues to act like and post pictures of these women that he desires.

It's deeper than a sexual desire, it's also a thirst for the projected innocence and intuition of women, a return to the womb.

>> No.17973712

>>17972343
>>17972524
>>17972588
these

If you can attend readings with decent poets do it. Otherwise if you can sit down with a friend/girlfriend and read poems to each other.

And instead of trying to focus on understanding, try instead to focus on a visceral feeling, flowing with the stream of emotions and imagery of the poem.

>>17972371
>>17972760
God I hate tripfags

>> No.17973759

>>17973665
No, you’re trying to force a meme.

>>17973679
>a return to the womb.
That’s what conservatives want.
You guys ask about aesthetics and true beauty and all that all the time. What’s wrong with appreciating beauty? They’re not objects to me! That’s your bag. Cope more.

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>>17972334
Get a piece of paper and a pen, and while reading the poem write down what the stanzas mean, and after doing it for the whole poem, read it again out loud

>> No.17973960

Try reading something narrative-driven that is written in verse, such as Ovid's metamorphoses, and then segue into poetry from there. David Raeburn's translation is based.

>> No.17973971

>>17972334
How has nobody said the Norton Anthology yet?

I hear good things about https://www.amazon.com.au/Best-Poems-English-Language-Chaucer/dp/0060540419

>> No.17973987

>>17973759
>No, you’re trying to force a meme.
You're a literal tripfag who forces themself into the culture of a board for attention

>> No.17973992

>>17973960
To add to this, anything that is broken up into smaller chunks where you can reflect over the smaller pieces individually is good. For instance the Book of Disquiet.

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>>17972568
If you can't find something you like in here, odds are you just don't enjoy poetry. (I own the 5th edition, which came out around 2005...I can vouch for the 5th). Norton breaks things down into eras and genres--you can jump around and build a sense for what you may gravitate toward. (Check out Yeats, Dylan Thomas, and Whitman). If you end up finding a poet you like make sure you get something that isn't just a greatest hits (i.e. get individual books or collected works that order things the way they were published...you'll get an idea of how things hold together and a deeper sense of the what a given poet meant to express)

I had a friend who got into poetry after reading Charles Bukowski. (He's very easy to read and understand and quite a few of his poems read as short stories). I'd recommend "What Matters Most Is How You Walk Through the Fire," "You Get So Alone Sometimes It Just Makes Sense," "Searching Through The Madness for the Word, the Line, the Way," and "Slouching Towards Nirvana" (Slouching is his reflections after he's gotten famous so read it after the others). A lot of his books are grabbed together by the publishers (especially the later ones)...but with him, it doesn't matter as much as other poets (i.e. there's basically just before fame and after fame).

A general intro that's super easy to read is "How to Read Poetry Like a Professor." It's very light and might give you a deeper appreciation for the form. (If you want something denser, but a lot less fun to read, check out "The Book of Forms.")

>> No.17974109

>>17972334
>read haikus
>write haikus (the longer ones, too)

>> No.17974119

I hate poetry and nothing I have ever tried has changed this. Stupid bullshit.

>> No.17974175

>>17972568
Library Genesis.

Paying for books is just identarian consumption. Buying them won't make you a better person - just read.

>> No.17974186

>>17974017
Positively based

>> No.17974215

>>17974119
Never going to make it

>> No.17974317

If anyone is struggling with poetry it's often because they can't get their head around meter. Read >>17973114 aloud, you should find yourself stressing every other syllable as you go.
>through LANE it LAY, through BRAMble
>through CLEARing AND through WOOD
>banDITti OFTen PASSED us
>upON the LONEly ROAD
See how there's a recurring stress pattern? That's what gives the poem structure, you want to identify that in any poem you read.
>>17973712
Imagine not muting all trips on sight. I haven't seen a butterfly post in months, it's bliss.

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>>17973679
Thank you, Dr. Lecter

>> No.17976397

>>17973759
The truth is memeworthy.

>> No.17976972

God, classical sculptors are fucking unreal.

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start with the egyptians and mesopotamians then the greeks then the latins then the greeks again
unironically also the best

I who went down to the grave
have returned to the “Gate of Sunrise.”
In the “Gate of Prosperity” prosperity was given me.
In the “Gate of the Guardian Spirit”
a guardian spirit drew nigh to me.
In the “Gate of Well-being” I beheld well-being.
In the “Gate of Life” I was granted life.
In the “Gate of Sunrise” I was reckoned among the living.
In the “Gate of Splendid Wonderment”
my signs were plain to see.
In the “Gate of Release from Guilt”
I was released from my bond.
In the “Gate of Praise” my mouth made inquiry.
In the “Gate of Release from Sighing” my sighs were released.
In the “Gate of Pure Water”
I was sprinkled with purifying water.
In the “Gate of Conciliation” I appeared with Marduk,
In the “Gate of Joy” I kissed the foot of Sarpanitum.

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17978872

Who will go drive with Fergus now,
And pierce the deep wood’s woven shade,
And dance upon the level shore?
Young man, lift up your russet brow,
And lift your tender eyelids, maid,
And brood on hopes and fear no more.

And no more turn aside and brood
Upon love’s bitter mystery;
For Fergus rules the brazen cars,
And rules the shadows of the wood,
And the white breast of the dim sea
And all disheveled wandering stars.

>> No.17978970

>>17973657

Pretty chad response, ngl

>> No.17980486

>>17974186

UofT English Department equiv to Jordan Peterson. (These are truncated down from 2 hours though...he doesn't upload the class lectures these are based on)

Ariel
https://youtu.be/yEZ6pCrDq7s

The Waste Land
https://youtu.be/JO8rEIddgrI

Leonard Cohen
https://youtu.be/toluWVW6VZg