Is anti-natalism useless?

[Anonymous No.17971478]

> Take literally the idea.
> Humans get extinct.
> Some millions of years later
> Life in human-like form emerges again with similar problems.

So, what's the point of anti-natalism? If we realize existence is negative what can we gain from knowing it?

[Anonymous No.17971498]

>>17971478
It’s either just a stupid cope for incels / for urbanite bugmen so they can philosophically justify having their fur babies but no kids

[Anonymous No.17971510]

>>17971498
>coping like this

Yikes.

[Anonymous No.17971526]

>>17971510
How so?

[Anonymous No.17971577]

Dumb people will never agree with anti natalism therefore you're forced to procreate to hope for a utopia for your grandchildren

[Anonymous No.17971642]

>>17971577
The main point is that even if humans get extinct there is nothing that would prevent other forms of life to arise again and go back to a negative existence.

So the question is, what can be gained from knowing that existence is negative?

[Anonymous No.17971656]

Anti natalists are just really sad people and need professional help

[Anonymous No.17971669]

>>17971642
Well, you could always try to end all existence, somehow.

[Anonymous No.17971694]

>>17971669
Anti-natalism = stop existence please is to harsh

[Anonymous No.17972437]

Why don't anti-natalists just kill themselves. They see how bad their life is and opt out. But they never seem to advocate that. Why?

[Anonymous No.17972566]

>>17971478
It's just subhumans who desire suicide but are too cowardly to do so and project their sickness on others

[Anonymous No.17972600]

>>17972437
if they did that, they couldn't bitch about it on the internet

[Anonymous No.17972617]

>>17971478
Clever thought

[Anonymous No.17972956]

I don't think the goal of anti-natalism is that broad, it seems like they mostly just don't think humans should procreate. It'd be impossible to prevent that from happening and even if you could, what you suggest is impossible to prevent so I think anti-natalists just don't care. Realistically, they shouldn't even care about other people having kids and should be content to just make the decision for themselves since they know they can't stop people from reproducing. I would be suspicious of the strength of conviction that is displayed by an anti-natalist who actively tries to discourage people from giving birth but maybe I'm conflating misanthropy with anti-natalism.

[Anonymous No.17973005]

>>17972956
The real irony to anti-natalism is that by practicing their beliefs they're actually reducing the number of humans predisposed towards anti-natalism via selection pressure.

[Anonymous No.17973105]

>>17973005
That's hilarious, I never noticed. I'm friends with a few but aren't invested enough either way to care on a personal level

[Anonymous No.17973249]

>>17973105
lel

[Anonymous No.17974432]

>>17971510

He's right. How come so many people in the Western world now deviate and project their parental instincts into cats and dogs? It's pathetic.

[Anonymous No.17974439]

>>17971478
>> Take literally the idea.
>> Humans get extinct.
>> Some millions of years later
>> Life in human-like form emerges again with similar problems.

Take literally the idea.
You die childless while normal people still fuck and have babies.
Some millions of years later.
Your shitty genes have been cleansed from the pool.

[Anonymous No.17974444]

[Anonymous No.17974453]

>>17971478
>Life in human-like form emerges again
lmao this retard believes in evolution

[Anonymous No.17974523]

>>17974432
better than being a kissless virgin and ranting about the downfall of western society or whatever you cucks are obsessed with

[Anonymous No.17974561]

>>17974444
These are white male supremacists. opinion discarded.

[Anonymous No.17974760]

I think Eduard von Hartmann resolved this by claiming that the goal of consciousness was to annihilate the universe so that consciousness could never emerge again

[Anonymous No.17974873]

>>17971642
Life is only a hell for humans. Other creatures live in ignorance.

[Anonymous No.17974881]

>>17972437
The argument is that it's better to never have been, idiot.

[Anonymous No.17974895]

>>17971669
We can dream that one day freedom will be achievable. If only destroying the universe was a simpler task.

[Anonymous No.17974918]

>>17972437
Cause i'm afraid to die nigger

[Anonymous No.17975018]

>>17971642
dinosaurs were dumb and didnt evolve, even though they had more millions of years than the humans, according to scientists

[Anonymous No.17975255]

>>17974523

In contrast to loveless, egotistical hedonists without a family (or general purpose) who treat pets as children, right?

[Anonymous No.17975267]

>>17971478
Antinatalism is for woefully sentimental bugmen who can't do 20 push ups and just want to sit around playing videogames and watching anime all day.
>UHHH, MOMMMM, WHY DO I HAVE TO EXERT EFFORT

[Anonymous No.17975274]

These were the biggest cucks of all time. Slaves begging to be put back under the yoke.

[Anonymous No.17975279]

>>17971642
humanity as we now it is likely an astronomically rare occurrence. If we go extinct there probably wont be another intelligent species on Earth.

[Anonymous No.17975361]

Threadly reminder


>B-but pessimism is modern bugman invention and they will all die lmaooooo
Pessimism is an ancient Greek philosophy. Pessimists are way more trad and closer to ancient folk than any esoteric trad larper.

>"You, most blessed and happiest among humans, may well consider those blessed and happiest who have departed this life before you, and thus you may consider it unlawful, indeed blasphemous, to speak anything ill or false of them, since they now have been transformed into a better and more refined nature. This thought is indeed so old that the one who first uttered it is no longer known; it has been passed down to us from eternity, and hence doubtless it is true. Moreover, you know what is so often said and passes for a trite expression. What is that, he asked? He answered: It is best not to be born at all; and next to that, it is better to die than to live; and this is confirmed even by divine testimony. Pertinently to this they say that Midas, after hunting, asked his captive Silenus somewhat urgently, what was the most desirable thing among humankind. At first he could offer no response, and was obstinately silent. At length, when Midas would not stop plaguing him, he erupted with these words, though very unwillingly: 'you, seed of an evil genius and precarious offspring of hard fortune, whose life is but for a day, why do you compel me to tell you those things of which it is better you should remain ignorant? For he lives with the least worry who knows not his misfortune; but for humans, the best for them is not to be born at all, not to partake of nature's excellence; not to be is best, for both sexes. This should be our choice, if choice we have; and the next to this is, when we are born, to die as soon as we can.' It is plain therefore, that he declared the condition of the dead to be better than that of the living."

– Aristotle, Eudemus (354 BCE)

[Anonymous No.17975390]

the problem of the anti-natalist is not in the existence of actual human suffering but in their perceiving of said suffering.
there is, after all, no efficient, or even feasible way to determine the amount of suffering experienced by all available humanity.
the anti-natalist assumes that suffering always weight heavier on the scale than whatever state of being should run counter or at least is more beneficial to humanity.
but lacking any means of quantifying said suffering the only logical basis for the anti-natalist to measure suffering is by the perception of suffering held by people.
therefore it only makes sense that to decrease the amount that suffering is perceived is to decrease the state of suffering in the world.
the best way to reach this objective is to eliminate the populace with the greatest and most intensely felt perception of human suffering, ie: anti-natalists

[Anonymous No.17975427]

You reduce suffering by not bringing kids into this fucked up world, and even better if you adopt so that you can help kids that have already been brought into the world

[Anonymous No.17975433]

Anti-natalists are nothing but a bunch of miserable people whose inner disposition drives them to death. They’re unable to live, therefore they say others won’t. Read Nietzsche and save yourself.