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Which is the highest form of art - literature, music, painting, sculpture or cinema?

>> No.17964926

>>17964898
Ah the age old questions...

Cinema encompasses mot other art forms within it, but lit is the most intricate and intellectual, and music and the visual arts are the only universal ones

>> No.17964928

>>17964898
Wrong.

>> No.17964933

>>17964926
>Cinema encompasses mot other art forms within it

Yeah so does tik tok

>> No.17964939

>>17964898
Architecture

>> No.17964967
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17964967

>>17964898
Capitalism

>> No.17964976

>>17964898
Literature > music > painting > cinema > sculpture > architecture

>> No.17964975

>>17964898
whatever you like

>> No.17965024

music > literature > painting > cinema > sculpture > architecture

>> No.17965037

architecture

>> No.17965082
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>>17964898
Music

>> No.17965101

Skydiving

>> No.17965116

>>17964898
A good night’s sleep

>> No.17965173

Kojima

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>>17964898
All of them.

Gesamtkunstwerk time.

>> No.17965230

>>17964926
>Cinema encompasses mot other art forms within it,
If you have a basic technical understanding of art.

>> No.17965240

Philosophy. There is no greater art than constructing one's self for ars totum requirit hominem.

>> No.17966191

>>17964898
anime and video games

>> No.17966196

>>17964898
literature, poetry specifically, is probably the highest form.

>> No.17966466

>>17964898
The classification of different artforms into categories of qualitative gradation is a spurious practice, and indicative of deficient aesthetical sensibility, and affectual range, on the part of the classifier.

There are forms of art that are conducive to optimal expression within a given ambit, and there are excellent works of art.

All art is high; some artworks are higher than others; the ontological difference between artforms consists in their placement within the lateral-rotational dimension; the qualitative difference between artworks consists in the intensity of their fulgency within the former, culminating in the lineal-revolutional —fulgurant— dimension.

>> No.17966479

>>17964898
Animation is the ultimate form of Gesamtkunstwerk.

>> No.17966490

literature and painting. sculpture is pretty good. music is for children. cinema is for retarded children.

>> No.17968116

>>17964898
Video games. They have the potential to be the most powerful medium due to its interactive nature.

>> No.17968149

>>17964898
Stupid question. Art isn't a competition.

>> No.17968585

>>17964898
Video Games (potentially) > Cinema > Music > Architecture > Literature > Painting > Sculpture > Photography

>> No.17968592

>>17966466
shut the fuck up dumb ass nigga

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>>17968116
>>17968585
>videogames

>> No.17968667

>>17968606
Have you played VR? I did and it convinced me video games will be eventually be the greatest art form.

>> No.17968694

>>17964898
this is not how you are supposed to approach art

>> No.17968716

>>17968694
Who told you how you should approach art?

>> No.17968744

>>17964898
The most abstract form is the highest - literature (Hegel)

>> No.17968751

>>17965222
ew ew EW EW

>> No.17968754

Poetry and Mathematics

>> No.17968760

>>17968744
wouldn't that be music

>> No.17968774

>>17968667
my guy, u literally don't even know what art is

>> No.17968780

>>17968774
You don't

>> No.17968787

>>17968780
no U

>> No.17968801

>>17968787
ok :(

>> No.17968825

>>17968606
why not?

>> No.17968828

>>17964898
All of those except cinema. Cinema is the tool of subversion

>> No.17968843

>>17968667
>>17968825
Zoomers must leave this board immediately and never come back
>>>/v/

>> No.17968844

>>17968828
cringe

>> No.17968868

>>17965240
I would think it is fair to say that Philosophy fits into the literature category

>> No.17968879

>>17968843
If you have never used VR why talk like you know anything?

>> No.17969005

The witcher 3 is high art

>> No.17969037

>>17969005
The Witcher 3 is trash.

>> No.17969078

>>17964898
Music>literature>cinema>painting>sculpture. But Tarkovsky is the greatest artist of those pictured.

>> No.17969087

>>17966466
nice post number friend. and of course your point is correct, all are different and it's dumb to compare but this is a website for reactions and autism so we have to rank them

>> No.17969113

In my opinion pornography is the highest form of human art. (incel btw).

>> No.17969237

>>17965024
I feel like this is pretty correct except I'd put sculpture > cinema, also poetry should be it's own thing that might be higher than music but I feel like music is probably number 1

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17969239

>>17964898
comics

>> No.17969248

>>17964898
Music is separate from Art, as is literature. Regarding the other choices, it's gotta be Cinema

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>If you have never used VR why talk like you know anything?

>> No.17969867

Anime

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>>17966466
Attached a visual for how this degenerate is trying to conceptualize art.

Not pictured is the 'ambit' portion that somehow has to contain justification that certain concepts/ideas are predisposed to perform better within a certain physical expression.

Issues:
1. As soon as you join lineal to revolutional, you are forcing different expressions to interact with one another even though there's no relation between the arts outside of their scopes, unless you want to compare them against each other (which you are trying to actively avoid).
2. Doesn't account for the relation between 'fulgurancy' and 'lineal' as a synthesis to absolute art value within only it's method. How can you begin to judge that 'fit' of a concept into specific art mediums unless individual(s) of identical skill in their expression conceptualize the same foundational idea in an identical matter. Is the movie adaption inherently a trainwreck, or did the director shit the bed?

>> No.17970094

>>17964898
Videogames

>> No.17970106

>>17964898
Music>Painting>Literature>Sculpture>>>>>>>(((Cinema)))

My take.

>> No.17970113

Without a doubt, Video Games are the highest form of escapism and are therefore the highest artform. Although it is not often treated that way.

>> No.17970182

Music and film tend to be more intuitive. Literature tends to be more concrete with its descriptiveness. Depends on my mood

>> No.17970197

>>17968744
>literature
>most abstract
Lmao

>> No.17970303

>>17966191
Based and bluepilled

>> No.17970344

>>17964898
Architecture
Music
Literature
Painting
Cinema
Photography
Sculpture
Video games

>> No.17970362

>Music
on a place of its own, downright spooky if you think about it
>Literature
beautiful because it's evocative and makes active use of reader's imagination, powerfully affects minds
>Painting
most ancient and direct, almost instant fruition being not time dependant, the viewer choses how long he looks at it and meditate on
>Sculpture
the artwork is actually "here", the presence in its 3D form is commanding and authoritative, it's stillness defies time
>Cinema
dangerous illusion of manufactured reality, powerful mindwasher and propaganda machine, made by a circle of degenerates, not a form of art in my book

>> No.17970377

>>17964898
Prose isn't art, but poetry and lyrics are. I don't even like poetry, mind you.

>> No.17970617

>>17970081
>As soon as you join lineal to revolutional, you are forcing different expressions to interact with one another...
It regards the excellence of individual artworks —improve your reading comprehension.

>Doesn't account for the relation between 'fulgurancy' and 'lineal' as a synthesis to absolute art value within only it's method.
The value is determined by objective principles of beauty, regardless of any particular method —whatever you mean by that.

You are projecting your erroneous apprehension —via image, and text— on my general, concise statements.

>> No.17970671

>>17970362
>dangerous illusion of manufactured reality, powerful mindwasher and propaganda machine, made by a circle of degenerates, not a form of art in my book
seems like a critique of the use of cinema (and a very retarded one imho) than of the form itself
cinema is the manipulation of images through time, a lot of it is not even necessarily narrative or concrete
>dangerous illusion of manufactured reality,
all art plays with illusion, and allowing yourself to be impacted by it demands that you believe in it to some extent
>powerful mindwasher and propaganda machine,
only if you continue to believe in it after watching
you immerse yourself in a painting when you gaze into it, but after you turn your head around, you fall back into the real world
the same is valid for cinema. You can absorb the message it may or may not carry, but it only determines your thoughts as much as you let it
>made by a circle of degenerates,
Hollywood maybe, deffinitely not true about all filmmakers
>not a form of art in my book
what a moralistic view on art.
Oscar Wilde said:
>"There is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book. Books are well written, or badly written. That is all."
and the same can be said for any art form

>> No.17970676

music. even at its simplest, its litteraly a language made out of a spectrum of emotions, most unavailable in life outside of music, and is symmetrical at every level (the questions and answers of melodic phrases, the rise and fall of dominant-tonic harmonic tension resolutions, the evenness of its rhythms, the balance of timbral elements, the up and down of the sound wave, the structural rhymes of verse chorus verse chorus...) and is endlessly interpretable and evokes new imagery, unbound by the imagination, each time. and other mediums dont encompass it since once its paired with a visual, it takes away that imaginative and ambigous aspect. but it still elevates all art thats paired with it, and all art has, at its foundation, some sort of musicality as its claim to aesthetic value. its like a translation of the transcendental symmetries of nature and maths into something a human can feel viscerally. but even that is still mostly meh

>> No.17970690

>>17969239
Based and calvin and hobbespilled

>> No.17971307

>>17970377
>Prose isn't art
>he hasn't read McCarthy, nor Faulkner or Joyce
ngmi senpai

>> No.17971420

>>17970113
>Without a doubt, Video Games are the highest form of escapism and are therefore the highest artform.

1. Escapism —a pathology— pertains to the subject, not to the object.

2. Artforms are categorized by scale, not by degree of elevation/exaltation, therefore, the object of aesthetical, and of critical, evaluation is the artwork, not the artform.

>Although it is not often treated that way.
They are treated that way by the majority that plays them —id est: by those who disintegrally immerse themselves in things, rather than integrally engage with them.

>> No.17971537

>>17971307
>McCarthy

Kek

>> No.17971632

Can't aswer anything other than music when Bach exists

>> No.17971679

Obviously it's music. Literature targets an other aspect of experience.

Music is more "pure" art. The area and brain hormones it activates are different than literature, which requires active/conscious participation.

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17971707

>>17964898
/LIT/ NIGGA ITS /LIT/ OR GTFO FAGGOT

MEET ME AT THE MALL FAGGOT

>> No.17971716

>>17964898
Yo mommas big booty

>> No.17972095

>>17964926

The big drawback to cinema, shared in common with music, is that you are forced to experience the work in terms of a set, linear runtime. However both commonly employ complex narratives which can eclipse plastic art.

>> No.17972236

>>17964898
Literature > Music > Painting > Sculpture > Cinema

>> No.17972379

>>17964898
Just whatever moves/attracts you the most.

>> No.17972440

at their highest forms
literature>music>cinema
fine art is something you look at for a minute or so and understand i wont even rate it
literature can be read for hours and give you a new perspective on life, music can be revisited again and again capturing a feeling in incredible nuance
cinema at its best can allow deep empathy and understanding

>> No.17972448

Who is the painter in OP?

>> No.17973071
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17973071

War

>> No.17973179

The ones that are nominally art, painting and sculpture.

>> No.17973377

>>17971632
kanye*

>> No.17973576

>>17972440
>this is the kind of person that posts on nu-/lit/

>> No.17973634

>>17964939
Agreed. What are some good books for architecture

>> No.17973637

>>17964898
Suicide.

>> No.17973728

Music, because medium and subject are the same.

>> No.17973741

>>17964898
1) Literature
2) Cinema
3) Music
4) Sculpting
5) Painting

>> No.17973764

Anyone who put music first doesn't know what art is, sorry

>> No.17973772

>>17971420
Why is any of what you said true?

>> No.17973775

>>17971679
Weird how this "pure" art requires literature, another art form, to qualify it as pure

>> No.17973779

>>17972095
>you are forced to experience the work in terms of a set, linear runtime
The same could also be said for a song or an album, unless you're talking about live music with improvisation.

>> No.17973782

>>17968667
>>17968780
>>17968801
>>17968879
Just ignore that idiot. Small brained, un creative, swamped by tired associations, fools who are unable to see things as they actually are and the potential video "games" holds in the future. He wants to larp, not understand the truth

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>>17972440
>cinema at its best can allow deep empathy and understanding
I think it can also give you a new perspective on the relationship between the medium of film and society if the director is competent.

>> No.17973790

>>17968592
Audible kek. Well done sir

>> No.17973791

>>17972440
>fine art is something you look at for a minute or so and understand i wont even rate it
bruh.....

>> No.17973804

>>17971632
Everything in western music from bach to shoenburg is garbage. Bach ruined everything

>> No.17973998

>>17973804
Very original perspective. What music do you like?

>> No.17974011

>>17973791
I can accept that i’ve probably just seen shit fine art but no gallery has ever stuck out to me. Im from texas so its been a pretty limiting experience
the most impactful piece i’ve ever seen was some embroidered couch from some lady who killed herself or abstract massive nature pieces
I never reflect on them though to be honest

>> No.17974019

>>17964898
There is no "highest form of art". Ranking different mediums of art and pretending that its anything more than a preferential judgement is retarded as fuck.

>> No.17974035

>>17964926
>lit is the most intricate and intellectual
not necessarily. The only big thing literature has over other mediums is time. It's existed far longer than most other arts (longer than all of them except maybe painting and sculpture) and thus its had exponentially more time to develop and experiment with the craft. It makes sense then that literature would be at this point in time in a more "advanced" state (and I use that term lightly for lack of a better term)

>> No.17974069

>>17973998
"""world music""""", renaissance/medieval western, middle eastern, slavic, turkish, African, that kind of stuff. In the west, the 17th century to The Beatles Tomorrow Never Knows is a wasteland of sterility "rational" nonsense, sucking the life from music and turning it into nothing more than some activity targeted towards inbred midwits who want to social signal. Whenever I hear that garbage I want to spit on it. Except for Mozart, I like him, and some Brahms/debussy songs. Everything else makes me cringe with the force of a billion suns

>> No.17974092

>>17965222
checked and based

>> No.17974570

>>17974019
Filtered

>> No.17974580

>>17974069
>guitar music is the height of art

Okay then

>> No.17974740

Literature builds civilization. Everything else is a feature of them.

>> No.17974776

>>17974069
No mate you are just stupid and unmusical, a normal person would look away, but because you are an evil liar, you have to twist reality somehow to make it appear there is something wrong with other people, when you are the problem.

You are inferior and you will always be inferior.

>> No.17974819

>>17971537
>t.low-test betacuck

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>>17972448
Hieronymus Bosch

>> No.17975110

>>17964898
>Which is the highest form of art
martial arts & literature

>> No.17975322

>>17964939
Literal dad joke.

>> No.17975531

>>17966191
this

>> No.17975627

>>17964898
>>17965024
>>17968585
>>17969078
>>17970106
>>17970344
>>17972236
>>17973741
Everyone who puts music above paintings cannot become enlightened.

>> No.17975635

>>17964898
It's video games.
Keep seething, pseud.

>> No.17976279 [DELETED] 

>>17964898
Art has no value.

>> No.17976345

i don't know how anyone can rate painting highly after what modernism did to painting. it gave literature beautiful writers like proust, joyce, woolf. all it did was degrade painting into fake primitivism and coarse daubs and splats

>> No.17976700

>>17975627
go play with your fingerpaints, gaylord

>> No.17976746

>>17964898
Warfare.

>> No.17976941

>>17964898
Visual arts speak to your eyes, literature to your mind and music to your soul.

>> No.17976949

>>17966191
Based and cooomsumepilled

>> No.17976952

I don't understand why anyone would feel compelled to rank them like it's a game.

>> No.17977393

>>17965082
See this>>17965222

>> No.17977441

>>17976941
Well only the eyes and the mind exist so that doesn't fare well for music.

>> No.17977454

>>17976345
Painting stopped trying to be anything other than painting in modernism. No other medium can do that.

>> No.17977494

>>17964898
Who's the middle?

>> No.17977517

>>17977454
losing all depth for mere form was a foolish. what is form without content? and music was always about the form, painting tries to approximate it for disastrous and aesthetically worthless results.

>> No.17977524

>separating architecture from it's
environmental social-historical importance and thereby seeing it as another form of sculpture only to eventually rank it beneath all the other arts because of this
:/ Great job.

>> No.17977736

>>17973634
The Aesthetic Imperative

>> No.17977899

>>17964898
Music is the purest form of art, as it's not representational.

>> No.17978448

>>17973772
It is in concurrence with reality.

>> No.17978504

>>17974011
you probably just lack aesthetic taste. its no big deal though, just remember its your fault, not arts fault.

>> No.17978520

Music is my favorite art form, but the best individual pieces of art are generally literature.

>> No.17978663

>>17966466
how do you measure the objective fulgency in art

how can fulgency lie within the lateral-rotational if it is only perceived (and synthesized) with understanding? The beauty of a book exists only when synthesized with the perception of the reader: the completion of the communication, right? If instead fulgancy lies within the lateral-rotational object (a book) itself, how can it exist without being known or understood

like a painting created arbitrarily and presented to blind men, does the brilliance reside within itself or only comes to fruition when made real by the conceptualization of the observer, of which is stored in the consciousness, not the object itself?

>> No.17978692

>>17964898
Theatre is the oldest form of art and still the best.

>”but MUH MOVIES!!”

Nah, seeing a play in person is a totally different experience than watching Marvel’s Justice League 7: The Fast and the Furious

>> No.17978990

>>17978692
theater is literally the gayest fucking art form imaginable.

>> No.17979183

>>17978663
>how can fulgency lie within the lateral-rotational if it is only perceived (and synthesized) with understanding?
Fulgency is emitted by the genial/creative entity, not necessarily by the perceiving individual.

>The beauty of a book exists only when synthesized with the perception of the reader: the completion of the communication, right?
No; beauty itself is a quality, and an expression, of nobility in general, and of noble entities in particular, regardless of whether it is impressed as such on the perceiving individal; the wholesome monologue is selfsufficient.

>like a painting created arbitrarily and presented to blind men, does the brilliance reside within itself or only comes to fruition when made real by the conceptualization of the observer, of which is stored in the consciousness, not the object itself?
It resides within the object itself —see above.

The internal is not essentially contingent to the external, nor is it made absolute by the external.

>> No.17979239 [DELETED] 

>>17979183
>how do you measure the objective fulgency in art
By the criteria that are determined by the objective principles of beauty/nobility, which are universal & absolute.

>> No.17979250

>>17978663
>how do you measure the objective fulgency in art
By the criteria that are determined by the objective principles of beauty/nobility, which are universal & absolute.

>> No.17979267

>>17979183
>The internal is not essentially contingent [on] the external...

>> No.17979684

>>17964898
Everything but cinema. Cinema is an occult practice

>> No.17979703

>>17966466
>All art is high
doubt.jpg

>> No.17979775

>>17979703
If it is not high it is expedient —nonart, or trash —antiart.

>> No.17979912

>>17977899
>>17978520
You're all going to hell.
I am sick and tired of your worship of music.
I bet you have shit tastes in music too.
Paintings > Music
99% of modern music is trash too.

>> No.17979974

>>17964898
The written word.

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>>17966466
Verbose faggot

>> No.17980261

>>17968667
Gr8 b8

>> No.17980273

>>17968760
Music isn’t as abstract as most people think

>> No.17980302

>>17974580
>guitar music
Thanks for easily exposing yourself as being a bullshitting retard speaking about something you know nothing about
>>17974776
Lmfao I probably hit a nerve, triggered your larping brain that latched onto 18th-19th century classical because of its promotion in your cultural channels as "high art" and the "best". I really pity you, stuck in that midwit trap listening to that false garbage music

>> No.17980314

>>17978692
I'm sorry but I am not a homosexual, I will never understand

>> No.17980385

Puppetry>

>> No.17980425

>>17964898
Lit would be 1st, definitley next Music, then Painting, sculpture and cinema.A Graphic Novel is the best way to read something and learn from it because you're working both sides of the brain with words and pictures. It's how magick was discovered. Puttung words and pictires on walls and paper.

>> No.17981208

>>17977899
Representation is the very definition of art numbnuts

>> No.17981223

>>17977517
The content of art has always been its theory, Renaissance to modern

>> No.17981228

>>17978448
Unfalsifiable nonsense

>> No.17981233

>>17979250
>art
>beauty

No thanks

>> No.17981245

>>17980302
As if string instruments aren't common to all the music you listen to. Buddy you got rocked

>> No.17981290

>>17964898
Does it matter?
They're all art.
This is not STEM, don't be an autist.

>> No.17981858

Why is sculpture ranked so low? What is particulary bad or worse with it?

>> No.17982199

Stendhal wrote that music was the highest for of art and that all the other forms really wanted to be music. This is a Platonic ideal of course, all the other art forms depict something else, music is the only one that is something in itself. The problem with all representation is no eye is uncontaminated, no gaze is blank, nothing is seen the way it is. Meaning is extracted when symbols are charged with something of ourselves while music is purely sensuous.

>> No.17982250

>>17964898
music>literature>cinema>painting>sculpture
If you disagree then fuck you.

>> No.17982257

>>17964898
Rhetoric

>> No.17982335

I don't respect music unless it's part of some kind of community activity

>> No.17982427

>>17964898
shitposting

>> No.17982455

>>17964898
Doesn't matter. All have their place in the universe.

>> No.17982725

Music would sound like noise or wind unless there was a specific system in your genes/DNA that allowed you to recognise it. The vibration of air having such a specific correlation to some abstract pattern in your mind is quite amazing.

Similarly, your eye is capable of recognising geometry and colour. If you overlay golden ratio measurements on paintings and drawings you will find that images drawn freehand are somehow wrapped around these precise lines without the deliberate focus of the artist. Someone like leonardo da vinci may do something like this deliberately, but it is also achieved naturally by accident.

All art is the acknowledgement of a secret code. No matter how thoroughly the theories of art forms are documented, and their techniques practiced, the ultimate answer as to why they sound good or look good is still outside of the reach of mortal men.
We understand when someone references the secret code, without understanding what the code is. When someone successfully emulates the codes, we say they have achieved beauty.
What is beauty, if not the very image of 'god'? The recognition of a sacred presence within all things. Beauty is at once a state, an action, it is visual, auditory, a concept and a material thing. It's a reference to a universal spirit. It can be expressed with timing and pacing but also spacial dimensions.
In other words, all art is high art. All art is a holy expression of measured divisions of time and space. Without a spiritual dimension inside of the human animal we would not be able to recognise or create art.

>> No.17982882

>>17980273
Instrumental music is.

>> No.17982912

>>17965222
Trips confirm.

>> No.17982916

>>17981245
String instruments are common to most music you stupid faggot, reductionist "you just like guitar" take is garbage

>> No.17983122

>>17975627
imagine thinking painting is higher than music ahahahah