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What is the meaning of the term 'objective'?

>> No.1796102

Troll thread?

It is synonomous with the thought of an 'absolute truth'.

>> No.1796101

Synonym of goal. So you scored an objective and won the game.

>> No.1796104

OP here. Not a troll thread.

Sorry. I meant 'Objective' in relation to 'subjective'. Can someone clarify the difference please?

>> No.1796107

I think of it as something that is most likely to be true based on observation.

>> No.1796112

>ob·jec·tive/əbˈjektiv/
Noun: A thing aimed at or sought; a goal.
Adjective: (of a person or their judgment) Not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

use google, fool.

>> No.1796116

hopefully we can get this off the front page before d&e sees it

>> No.1796118

>>1796104
>sub·jec·tive/səbˈjektiv/
Noun: The subjective case.
Adjective: Based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.

use google, fool.

>> No.1796119

>>1796104

It's synonymous with the thought of 'an absolute truth'. Laws of physics are likely objective, although we can never gain concrete knowledge of the objective laws of physics as there is a possibility that all out measurements and experiments might be wrong. As subjective and observing beings within the sphere of the Universe, we can only gain information through observation and determinate theories and thoughts on whatever is 'objective', but we can never gain safe knowledge on the matter.

While subjective is synonymous with a 'personal truth', or just opinion.

>> No.1796124

the definition of 'objective' is itself subjective

>> No.1796135

>>1796124
we have a genius on our hands, folks

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1796144

>>everyone who said anything about subjectivity or objectivity itt

>> No.1796145

So what's D&E's take on the definition of Objective.

>> No.1796149

>onionrings waits until D&E posts

>> No.1796153

>>1796145
Sorry guy I'm pretty busy right now if this thread's still here on the front page and shit tomorrow night maybe i'll come back and kick a few asses, take a few names, break a few hearts and save a couple lives itt

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1796177

Read this.

>> No.1796185

>>1796163
Anyone (including JamesBond) explain what the fuck is this?

>> No.1796189

>>1796185

loooooooooooool

nude descending a staircase, cmon son

>> No.1796190

>>1796185

Marcel Duchamp's Nude Descending a Staircase, No. 2.

>> No.1796192

>>1796189

[spoilers]lol look at me, im so cultural and smart and superior[/spoilers]

>> No.1796197

>>1796192
So, um, what does it have to do with anything?

>> No.1796204

>>1796197
I think he is using it to say that the Nude is subjectively appreciated painting or something.

>> No.1796208

>>1796197

Everything.

>> No.1796213

>>1796208
Care to explain?

>> No.1796222

Well the most common use (beside "goal") is:
>(of a person or their judgment) Not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
And is a quality sought after in most journalism, in science, in court hearings, etc.

If you want to relate it more to philosophy then you can look up Kant's distinction phenomenon and noumenon. The nouemenous is that which exists or is true entirely independent of an individuals senses/perception.

>> No.1796225

>>1796213

No.

>> No.1796230

>>1796225
Come on!

>> No.1796232

>D&E running scared

>> No.1796238

>>1796153
Yesterday someone called out D&E for being too much on this board. Now he's trying to show that he's busy.

>> No.1796242

Colloquially "Objective" and "Subjective" seem to be used as terms interchangeable with "fact-based" and "opinion-based", respectively.

Philosophically, the terms can be used to describe a view on Ethics, Metaphysics, or Epistemology, and these are all similar in their use.
"Objective" in this case means "relating to the object." The object here being "the thing that is being viewed or interpreted."
"Subjective" in this case means "relating to the subject." The subject being "the agent which is viewing or interpreting."

"Objective" used this way means that ethical rule, nature of a thing, or the way in which we know about the thing are determined ultimately by the object itself, not by subject.

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1796248

1. external to the observer
2. timelessly valid
3. knowable, comprehendable under the abilities of the mind.


objective means a truth that is useful, that it is possible to organize action around it, and communicate that principle to other people. Truth that is not objective is an equivocation; it does not behave as truth.

>> No.1796249

>Truth that is not objective is an equivocation; it does not behave as truth.

How so?

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>>1796119
Mathematics is objective. Its objects merely aren't real.

>> No.1796270

>>1796238
One might say that it's just another case of the strong, imposing its will upon the weak.

Or at least, that's what an asshole would say.

>> No.1796279

>>1796270
>just another case of the strong, imposing its will upon the weak

Imposing one's will upon another is what defines who is strong and who is weak.

>> No.1796389

bump