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What books do I need to read to understand Revolutionary Girl Utena?

>> No.17956371

>>17956358
LSD isn't a book

>> No.17956785

>>17956358
That anime is for trannies

>> No.17956791

>>17956785
What anime isn't?

>> No.17956793
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>>17956791
Y-y-yuri

>> No.17956801

>>17956358
it references hesse's demian, so i guess you could read that

>> No.17957200

>>17956358
Goethe's Faust

>> No.17957355
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>>17956358
Don't even bother trying to "understand" Utena. In High school I got really into Utena, and for 6 entire months the only thing I did in my free time was rewatch Utena, read (what I could find about it), write about it, and think about it. It goes in so many directions, and has so many red herrings that its an entire rabbit hole of its own.

It's been years now since I went through that phase, and recently I rewatched it with some friends. My conclusion now about Utena is that it's overall message is pretty simple. You could easily gasp the meaning in the first watching of it. Everything else are either red herrings, or weird stuff intentionally place for autists like myself in high school to obsess over. And even if you crack the code to any of the weird symbols which aren't red herrings, it doesn't really add much to the overall themes of the show.

>> No.17957577

>>17957355
So... what is the message?

>> No.17957585

>>17956793
*slaps ass* BAD *slaps ass*

GET. IN. THE. BED. :3

>> No.17957599

All anime 'themes' are fake. All anime 'meaning' is fake. Ironically Evangelion is the least fake of all anime, because at least its window dressing has a tangible relationship to its characterisation and story (and some vague concordance with real life), whereas something like Lain is completely insubstantial.

>> No.17957938

>>17957599
>whereas something like Lain is completely insubstantial
Agree with you on Eva, but man did you get filtered by Lain

>> No.17958127

>>17957599
Someone's gonna rape you. That's not a threat and it won't be me, just a strong feeling I have.

>> No.17958198

>>17957938
>>17958127
lain is fucking dogshit

>> No.17958456

>>17957577
It's similar to Evangelion. Just grow up and move on bro. Eva says stop being anxious and passive, and Utena says stop dwelling in your memories and living an eternal childhood.

>> No.17958573

>>17956793
It is.

>> No.17958577

>>17956358
sontag and barthes

>> No.17958734
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>>17957599
Filtered

>> No.17958786

>>17956358
A lot of what goes on in the show is symbolic, so you're going to need an education in symbolism. A natural starting point is Jung.

I agree with the sentiment that the overarching message is actually pretty simple, though. The show is best enjoyed on a deep emotional level. Since the show is so open-ended you can project lots of your own experiences into it.

>> No.17959452

>>17958734
Unfilter me

>> No.17959478

>>17957599
texhnolyze though...

>> No.17959511

>>17956358
Apparently the Black Rose arc was heavily influenced by horror movies that Ikuhara really like. Suspiria, The Shining and stuff. So if you like movies and the Black Rose arc, it's fun to watch and see the influences it had on that particular part.
For text, it would Demian by Hesse, and Jung stuff.
For plays by Terayama Shuuji and Kara Juro's play Virgin's Mask, Takarazuka, other weird angura plays from the Student Movement era.

>> No.17959564

>>17959511
Oh yes, I forgot, Confessions of a Mask by Yukio Mishima apparently helped inspired the twist that Juri was a lesbian when she was straight in the Chiho Saito manga.

>> No.17959574

>>17956358
dante and milton help

>> No.17960172

>>17956793
what are your top 5 anime, butterfly? asking for a friend

>> No.17960235

>>17956793
Fetish male driven genre? Fuck kek

>> No.17960253

>>17957599
Based and correctpilled. HOWEVER, themes aren't everything. Plot is a perfectly fine reason to like something. And that's why Legend of the Galactic Heroes is the only good anime ever.

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>>17956358
posting the superior /lit/ anime

>> No.17960290

>>17960274
Which is this?

>> No.17960342

>pseud board watches pseud anime
I thought the jokes about you guys were just memes.
>>17957599
This.

>> No.17960357

>>17957599
Lain is better than EVA but the rest I agree with.

>> No.17960511

>>17960342
Explain why Utena is pseud

>> No.17960575

>>17960290
Casshern Sins

>> No.17960583

>>17960511
because i didn't like it

>> No.17960593

start with the greeks.

>> No.17960615
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>>17960274
For me, it’s Ashita no Joe

>> No.17960617

>>17960357
I feel like the relation between Lain and Eva exists but in a very external way, completely outside of either of the creators. They're very different shows—one of them is much more comprehensible than the other (Lain).

>> No.17960664

>>17957599
Lain and Eva are the exact same 2deep4u ride with a straightforward message in the end. Putting Eva above other anime is a sign of mental immaturity/autism.