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[Anonymous No.17952506]

The problem of evil is the most profound problem in history of human thought. Unsolved mathematical problems seem like child play in comparison

[Anonymous No.17952521]

weed bro

[Anonymous No.17952532]

desu yeah

[Anonymous No.17952535]

>>17952506
>The problem of evil is the most profound problem in history of human thought. Unsolved mathematical problems seem like child play in comparison
why?

[Anonymous No.17952546]

Is it a problem or a fact of life?

[Anonymous No.17952556]

....and Economics attempts to solve both of those at the same time ;3

[Anonymous No.17952576]

>>17952556
No it fucking doesn't

[Anonymous No.17952585]

>>17952556
economics only attempts to “solve” the “problems” of scarcity and distribution

[Anonymous No.17952594]

>>17952506
Baka, implying those problems are unrelated is quite presumptuous.

[Anonymous No.17952609]

>>17952576
Are you assuming that some of the greatest economists weren't also developing unique mathematical systems?

The problem of utility creates many different avenues to explain the 'kernel' , or unchangeable core, of an economy.

Many of the leading economists, like Shapley or Hildenbrand, have been renowned, successful mathematicians.

You know, ones that aren't Karl Marx or Adam Smith, for you lazy bastards. The more you know ;3

[Anonymous No.17952916]

>>17952556
Bugman post

[Anonymous No.17952937]

Human pride can't imagine that what is "moral" is external to the human experience.

[Anonymous No.17952946]

>>17952937
Your lack of materialism disturbs me.

[Anonymous No.17952947]

Fucking retard. It's very simple and fuck anyone who can't understand it (99.999% of people). But it really does amaze me how most people are so stupid.

[Anonymous No.17952954]

>>17952506
i don't think evil is even real, stuff just sucks a bit at times. The devil himself is probably a larper honestly 'oooh look at me Im rebelling' yeah OK satan you'll be back after your tantrum. It's basically just cosmic shitposting, it's like asking why there are Australians

[Anonymous No.17953013]

>>17952954
This is very much true but is more like an antithesis than a cosmic shitpost, although it may very well be.

[Anonymous No.17953016]

>>17952506
Spinoza BTFO the problem of evil for all eternity by saying that it is just our perception of the things and that evil does not exist objectively. Christcucks cant refute this without resorting to emotional appeal or dogmas lol.

[Anonymous No.17953019]

>>17952506
Where do you think evil comes from anon? like real hurtful evil, not morally white and black arbitraryly set.

[Anonymous No.17953035]

>>17953016
I think christcucks would agree, it's the gnostics that pretend that evil is substantial.

[Anonymous No.17953039]

>>17952506
>hasn't read Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.17953050]

>>17952609
Utility has little to do with evil

[Anonymous No.17953069]

>>17953016
>just our perception
Is the type of thinking that lead to subjectivism and moral relativism. Congrats, you're directly responsible for the demise of mankind.

[Anonymous No.17953109]

>>17952556
>Economics

[Anonymous No.17953215]

Evil is a force, not a problem.

[Anonymous No.17953254]

>>17952609
i find it hilarious that economics spend more time worrying about nuances of compact sets than verifying what they believe empirically

[Anonymous No.17953271]

>>17952506
problem of evil
more like fake problem created by hume and perpetuated by frog posters

[Anonymous No.17953287]

Whoa so this is the level of /lit/ philosophy. whoaaaaa

[Anonymous No.17953295]

>>17952506
It's only a problem for the religious. It vanishes if you don't assume the existence of "God".

[Anonymous No.17953307]

>>17952506
A "problem" that is inherently unsolvable without godly intervention is not a problem you can consider anything but worthless garbage.
Unsolved mathematical problems are solvable and thus something humanity can strive to achieve.
Only a braindead retard would compare solvable problems with unsolvable ones.

[Anonymous No.17953313]

>>17953254
They're still at the level of Platonic idealism and still haven't grasped the problem of whether and how thought relates to reality. Give them some 1000 years

[Anonymous No.17953320]

>>17953035
Gnostics don’t believe in the existence of evil, they believe in the existence of ignorance.

[Anonymous No.17953325]

>>17953271
>problem of evil was created by Hume
Hume just made one particular argument about it, the problem is ancient and there are endless discussions about it in various theologies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy

[Anonymous No.17953356]

>>17953016
it's the existence of this differential that is evil in the first place you FUCKING lizard

[Anonymous No.17953363]

>>17953320
Sethians, Manichaeans, and Marcionites certainly did.

[Anonymous No.17953367]

>>17952506
Actually, it turns out the evil was all my fault, sorry fellas

[Anonymous No.17953380]

>>17952506
Zoroastrians already solved the problem of evil.
It would have been better if Mazdak the Younger became the prophet for the West rather than Jewsus.

[Anonymous No.17953421]

>>17953380
what's the solution then

[Anonymous No.17953450]

>>17953421
Empedocles argued for very similar metaphysics as Zarathustra, Mani, and Mazdak

Here is a kind of philosophical explanation:
>1. initially the world was like a celestial sphere of pure Love (φιλότης) or aligned with Ahura Mazda's aṣ̌a
>2. at the edges of this sphere was Strife (νεῖkος) or Ahriman's druj, which infringed upon the #1 out of avarice
>3. this caused an endless conflict between Love and Strife, which is akin to attraction/repulsion and union/separation, or the battle between Spenta and Angra Mainyu, the spirits of Ahura Mazda and Ahriman respectively
>4. To summarize this, good and evil are distinct and irreducible antagonistic properties are in endless conflict, and there is no unity between them in higher-levels of realization. The wise pick the good of the duality. Love > Strife. Ahura Mazda > Ahriman. Spenta Mainyu > Angra Mainyu

[Anonymous No.17953472]

>>17953450
I know about Empedocles but this isn't an answer because there is no omnipotent benevolent God in his worldview, just opposing forces of love and strife. This is of course quite logical but is avoiding the entire nature of the problem

[Anonymous No.17953487]

>>17953367
it's okay anon, we all make mistakes :3

[Anonymous No.17953519]

>>17952556
(You)

[Anonymous No.17953540]

>>17952506
>"problem" of evil
lmao good to know christcucks are still light years behind actual philosophers. pic related (pbuh) solved the "problem" of evil thanks to the sheer power of his mind alone without relying on desert demon fables

[Anonymous No.17953613]

>>17953472
Check out Mardanfarrox's Doubt Removing Book:
http://www.avesta.org/mp/SGV.pdf
Also, this is a good article summarizing it in a more rigorous philosophical manner.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/25676936?seq=1
The uncreated good God is delimited by what is logically possible and the uncreated evil spirit is real but does not independently exist (i.e., it can only corrupt the good).

[Anonymous No.17953677]

>>17953613
I read that paper you linked. My only question is: why do you prefer Zoroastrianism over the passive, good God of the Manichaeans?

[Anonymous No.17954481]

>>17952506
the problem is claiming that evil exists
it just shows that you are unwilling to address the real problem without your make-believe metaphysical training wheels
your lack of courage is a problem stemming from personal weakness that can be dispelled by training
the hypothesis of training-resistant problems is a LARP
you must first assume that training has been exhausted for all eternity and innovation in training is not a thing
this is sticking your head in the sand and it leads to stubbornness and giving other people headaches
your steadfast unwillingness to take training seriously induces frustrating sighs, not regarding whistles

[Anonymous No.17954491]

>>17952506
Finally a good thread