/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17946951]

do any of the people here constantly posting christian books even go to church or are they just larping for the computer?

[Anonymous No.17946964]

go to mass 4 times a week and shill luigi giussani on the regular. this is evangelizing.

[Anonymous No.17946979]

>>17946951
I go to church about once every month about.

Im not a great christian, but I do do it with my dad every now and then.

[Anonymous No.17946982]

>>17946951
There are literally churches everywhere why is it hard to believe someone goes there like once a week at least

[Anonymous No.17946986]

>>17946979
genuinely curious, are you the youngest person there?

[Anonymous No.17946989]

Yeah I do, though I can see why you may suspect that, op. If anyone were to Christlarp, it'd be the anons of /lit/.
Whatever gets the good news to the most people I suppose

[Anonymous No.17946991]

If you’re Orthodox, you’re not supposed to attend Catholic or Protestant mass, which are often the only churches nearby when visiting family.

[Anonymous No.17946994]

>>17946982
it's not hard to believe that some people go, it's hard to believe that some of the weirdos on here and twitter go based on their posts

[Anonymous No.17946997]

>>17946951
>constantly posting christian books
If only that were most Christians here. The quieter the Christian the more likely they read rather than larp.

[Anonymous No.17947007]

>>17946986
no. thats my sister. Im 25 and live relatively close by. Im not super devote, but I appreciate aspects of it nonetheless. I do find a lot of posts here kinda much, but thats the nature of the beast and the nature of (you)s.

[Anonymous No.17947009]

>>17946991
>often the only churches nearby when visiting family.
That's why rich fags build chapels into their houses. Find the local rich ass orthobro.

[Anonymous No.17947012]

>>17946951
even christians who go to church are larping.

[Anonymous No.17947013]

>>17946951
>incelpapist
Lol I feel so bad for actual Catholics who have to deal with these larpers.

[Anonymous No.17947022]

I used to go to Catholic mass on Sunday during my Christlarp phase I even got baptised and confirmed lol. The people there were nice. It was mostly young families and ancient-looking Indian and African women presided over by Filipino priests.

[Anonymous No.17947027]

>>17946951
No. Its mostly just a topic of interest of mine abd i like to larp about it.

its mostly just an academic interest admittedly, and exaggerating it more for the shitpost effect is fun.

[Anonymous No.17947039]

>>17947013
>Lol I feel so bad for actual Catholics who have to deal with these larpers.
desu, is there many out there? and many that interact outside of twitter screenshots?

[Anonymous No.17947212]

>>17946951
i'd say 80 percent larpers 20 percent true believers

[Anonymous No.17947224]

>>17947212
thats a whole 19 percent more than most subgroups on 4chan. thats some impressive numbers.

[Anonymous No.17947240]

>>17946951
I split my time between Bibleposting and ragefully masturbating to femboys

[Anonymous No.17947250]

I'm afraid of people and too scared to go to church.

[Anonymous No.17947263]

>>17947022
>Christlarp phase I even got baptised and confirmed lol.
>he thinks it's still a larp
Sorry anon, you made a contract with God in front of witnesses while informed of the consequences. No lawyer is getting you out.

[Anonymous No.17947266]

>>17947240
Based if true

[Anonymous No.17947366]

I go to mass every Sunday and every holy day of obligation. I've been doing this since I was born.

[Anonymous No.17947619]

I'm a pastor's kid and am currently in Seminary. We've been logging into church every Sunday since my mom is deathly afraid of Covid to the point of Hypochondria. Although I do not intend to go into ministry, learning theology in a very rigorous setting is refreshing.

[Anonymous No.17948704]

>>17947619
don't you find the posts on 4chan to be unholy

[Anonymous No.17948755]

I went every Sunday till lockdown, just waiting for vaccine before going back.
>>17946986
Parents bring their children, so he's probably not the youngest. My church is also an elementary school, so there's always a lot of kids. There's always teens and young adults that I see too, though the elderly often complain about how they dress, but I've seen them wearing booty shorts and yoga pants.
>>17948704
Jesus hung out with murderers, thieves, prostitutes, tax collectors, etc.

[Anonymous No.17948765]

>>17946979
>I do do it with my dad every now and then.

That's disgusting anon, shame on you!

[Anonymous No.17948775]

>>17946951
I want to go to Church but I feel I'm too pessimistic and solitary. I don't want to be an awkward disturbance in a local commune's cohesion.

[Anonymous No.17948798]

>>17948775
based antisocial empath

[Anonymous No.17948828]

Jesus said to pray in your closet (away from the eyes of others, so as to avoid merely doing it so others can see you doing it).

[Anonymous No.17948865]

>>17948775
Are you Catholic? If you are it's literally a requirement to go. I'm essentually a Benatar/Ligotti-tier pessimist, no-friend loner myself, but I still go to church. If you can buy things at a store, then you have enough social skills to attend Mass.

[Anonymous No.17948873]

>>17948865
i'm always paranoid i'll mess up all the weird stuff you have to do like stand up, sit down, eat that thing, do the cross sign, etc. plus i hate singing, i don't want to sing, there's no singing in the bible wtf

[Anonymous No.17948957]

>>17948873
There is singing in the Bible. Psalm 98:4-6 for example explicity says to sing. But you don't have to sing. Some people don't sing at my church, especially the young adults. For standing or kneeling and the sign of the cross, all you have to do is mimic others, and they even say out loud "stand" or "kneel," etc. You have no excuse. There's nothing you have to do that stands you out from others. Just look up the Mass time for your church, get there a bit before that time, then go sit down at a pew in the back. You don't have to take Communion, some don't do that as well, so when people leave the pew you can stay seated, and it's very obvious when they're going to take Communion, but you should search online about it so you can eventually. All of the info you need on Mass is a simple search online.

[Anonymous No.17949010]

>>17948873
Also, I'm a convert to Catholicism. I wasn't Catholic and knew nothing about Mass when I first went, was nervous about it because of my social anxiety, but I found it was very simple to follow and a worthwhile experience.

[Anonymous No.17949015]

>>17946951
kek @ image

[Anonymous No.17949048]

>>17946951
I would say its mostly larp. They act like very pious people, and maybe some are, but at your local church you just find people trying to do their best to live a christian life. The rule thumping and posturing you see here to justify political or philosophical beliefs usually aren't found in churches.

[Anonymous No.17949128]

>>17948865
>you are it's literally a requirement to go.
Catholic here, there are so many requirements that it's inevitable some people will miss some. Technically though, it's not a requirement, and between wanting to go and actually physically going, wanting to go is the greater act of grace.
>>17948873
>mess up all the weird stuff you have to do like stand up, sit down, eat that thing, do the cross sign, etc.
Very few people are on point with that, don't worry. They just sit behind the people who learnt the choreography better, and mumble the responses. Though if you are Catholic and plan to eat, you should probably study the confession choreography harder because there's nobody to follow in the box and you're meant to go in the box before you eat the baby Jesus. If you're not, then IDK.

[Anonymous No.17949134]

who the fuck uses twitter and thinks they have the right to call themselves a rightist, like honestly now.

[Anonymous No.17949139]

i dont think "@incelpapist" or "@rapistnigga" are anything more than zoomers larping to trigger the libs

[Anonymous No.17949153]

>>17949128
>Technically though, it's not a requirement
Er

[Anonymous No.17949157]

>>17946991
Very wrong. Orthos are even allowed to receive Catholic communion

[Anonymous No.17949166]

>>17949153
It's not. There are plenty of dispensations for it. There basically has to be in a lot of places since parishes can't maintain enough priests to say Mass every week.

[Anonymous No.17949180]

>>17949128
It is a requirement to go to Mass. Deliberately avoiding church without a good reason is a grave sin. They term is "holy day of obligation," which every Sunday is called a holy day of obligation, though right now there's probably a dispensation at his church for the duration of the pandemic which means it's currently not an obligation till the pandemic is over. Of course gong to Mass isn't sufficient for making a good Catholic; you should also do good works, like the works of mercy. And I'm pretty sure Communion isn't eating baby Jesus. It is the literal flesh and blood of Jesus, but he was an adult when he started that.

[Anonymous No.17949200]

>>17947013

[Anonymous No.17949207]

>>17949180
>Deliberately avoiding church without a good reason is a grave sin
That is a lack of desire to go to Mass, which is a grave sin. It's a worse sin than not going to Mass. Equally, desire to go to Mass is a greater virtue than physically going to Mass.
The term Holy Days of Obligation has the same sense of obligation as all obligations: if you can. If you're sick, you don't have to go to Mass, nor are you obliged to fast. If you need to work, you go to work instead, and can make up an obliged day any day that's convenient if you can get time off. The only days you're supposed to make extra special attempts at getting to Mass are Easter Sunday and Christmas, and again, it counts as going if you decide to go Spy Wednesday because that's when your day off was.
The desire rather than the action is a higher virtue.
>Jesus is frozen at age 33
Tell that to the Child of Prague.

[Anonymous No.17949220]

>>17949134
rw twitter is a thing you know
we just stay low-key

[Anonymous No.17949232]

>>17946951
I'm a cradle Catholic and I go to Mass every Sunday and every holy day of obligation. Posting on the internet has actually increased my faith substantially because it has helped put me in touch with good devotional material and also encouraged me to develop practices that actively increase my piety, like praying the Rosary every day and praying the Morning Offering.

By the way, Anons, happy Easter.

[Anonymous No.17949276]

>>17949207
You're not obliged to do things that are impossible or will risk injury. However, not going because you worry about doing the Mass wrong is not a valid excuse to avoid Mass.

[Anonymous No.17949291]

>>17949276
Anon, the worst you're going to pin on the other anon is that he's prone to scruples for that. If he acts against the scruple, he's Francis Xavier tier. You're not going to get him on intentionally avoiding Mass when going to Mass might as easily play on his mental illness rather than elevate him to flying Jesuit.

[Anonymous No.17949301]

>>17949291
hopefully the Xavier reference gets read as a follower of Loyola; if not, just read that as Loyola when you go to Google scruples

[Anonymous No.17949311]

>>17949134
There's a thriving community of reactionaries on Twitter, many of whom are surprisingly unironic.

[Anonymous No.17949315]

>>17946951
i like to zoop on sundays

[Anonymous No.17949323]

>>17949291
Wait, why do you assume he has scrupulosity? He only said he was worried about messing up Mass, so I told him that attending Mass is easy even for awkward people.

[Anonymous No.17949331]

>>17949323
>worried about messing up Mass,
That's one of the most common scruples. Being worried about accidentally profaning is one of the most common examples.

[Anonymous No.17949363]

>>17949331
You're right. Of course my intention was to give helpful advice, but I can see how what I said could be more harmful than good in this instance, which is perhaps a case of saying too much. I'll think about what you've said leading on.

[Anonymous No.17949372]

>>17946951
Considering they still have all of their possessions, I’d say they’re pretending and larping.

Having average intelligence and no personality is one hell of a drug

[Anonymous No.17949436]

>>17949372
you're a communist, why do you have possessions?

[Anonymous No.17949461]

>>17946951
lmao weaklings....
i go to church each sunday.. this easter i was in a church on thursday, friday, saturday, sunday and i am literally typing this waiting for my sisters to get ready for us to go to church again.. (Easter is an outlier ofc)
this has been my life from as long as i can remember, i had my issues during high school, but go each sunday still and read Bible daily

so, yes, we do exist; and no, its not that big of a deal - well it is rewarding, its just not hard to achieve

[Anonymous No.17949466]

>>17946991
Are you sure? Catholics can even receive sacraments at orthodox churches

[Anonymous No.17949499]

>>17949436
I’m not, so I can have possessions. Nice strategy of attack, never defend though, did your pastor picked that one up when he was caught with an altarboy?

[Anonymous No.17949519]

>>17949461
Sounds like Ur still going to hell with that attitude

[Anonymous No.17949529]

>>17949372
>Considering they still have all of their possessions, I’d say they’re pretending and larping.

If every Christian was meant to give up all of their possessions, then Joseph of Arimathea wouldn't be venerated.

[Anonymous No.17949532]

>>17949529
Tell that to Jesus, it was his idea

[Anonymous No.17949552]

>>17949499
the most pernicious opponents of Catholicism seem to be those whom are adherents to another ideology, is all. why do your spend your God-given free time attempting to provoke people? got nothing better to do?

>>17949532
to His apostles; Christ had nothing but praise for the woman who donated at the Temple. clearly there is room for possessions for those whom require - people in marriage, for instance

the harshest critics of christianity appear to be those whom do not read the scriptures very carefully; they read one thing and bandy it about out of context

[Anonymous No.17949555]

>>17949372
Where does Jesus say it's mandatory to give up all your possessions? Not recommendable, not "to be perfect", I said MANDATORY.

[Anonymous No.17949557]

>>17949532
It was His idea because the rich young man was specifically prevented from embracing Christ because of his many possessions. It was very pointedly an obstacle for him and Jesus knew it, which is why Jesus knew he'd have to get rid of them.

He does not make a similar demand of other rich characters in the Gospels. Zacchaeus, the tax collector, is an example of this, he is very rich but Jesus never explicitly tells him to give up his wealth. Instead, Zacchaeus becomes a follower of Christ out of zeal to see Him, and once he has committed to following Jesus, he voluntarily announces that he will give a large amount of his wealth away anyway. So Zacchaeus' wealth was not an obstacle to him embracing Christ, as it was for the rich young man.

Jesus doesn't universally oppose wealth, he opposes anything and everything that causes you to commit sin and turn away from God. It just so happens that for a lot of people, this IS wealth, so wealth gets extra attention in the Gospels. It also gets extra attention because wealth is the inverse of poverty, and we know God has a special love for the poor.

[Anonymous No.17949558]

>>17949552
>>17949555
>christians explaining verses that apply to themselves and don’t benefit off of

[Anonymous No.17949562]

>>17949558
try speaking clearly, pretending to be stupid isn't worth anyone's time

[Anonymous No.17949581]

>>17949562
Okay, here you go, even you might understand this

When Christians who read the Bible read a verse they benefit off of, such as the ones against gays, infidels and the emancipation of any group beneath them, it’s literally 100% true, no interpretation or nuanced readings needed, in fact, you’re probably a sinner as well for even questioning it. Then they read a verse from the Bible they wouldn’t benefit from if they followed it, such as selling all your possessions, giving the money to the poor and following only Jesus, and out pop endless nuances, sixteen layers of semantic interpretation and reevaluation, and the insistence that it only applied to the very individual Jesus told this to.

Context is completely irrelevant when the verse benefits Christians themselves, yet hyperrelevant when they don’t. This tells me that you’re totally full of shit when you claim your faith is in any way sincere (which would mean you’d also accept its downsides), and tells me that all of this is little more than larping, for benefits

[Anonymous No.17949628]

>>17949581
Yeah because no Christian has ever done anything that doesn't benefit them, all the charity and Sundays are just for their benefit right?

[Anonymous No.17949724]

>>17946951
Need it or keep it?

[Anonymous No.17949790]

>>17948828
And yet he taught in the synagogue

[Anonymous No.17949799]

>>17949552
>>17949555
>>17949557
cope

[Anonymous No.17949814]

>>17946951
I can speak for myself. I don't go to church except on holidays like Easter or Christmas. I was baptized in the Catholic Church but I've got much to learn to call myself a proper born-again Christian and until then I don't really fancy going to Church that much. My priests are very boring and I prefer to stay at home and read Aquinas than listen to one of them talking

[Anonymous No.17949827]

>>17947013
All modern life is LARP, you can't expect authenticity from anyone.

[Anonymous No.17949990]

>>17949200
him and his fiancé are lovely and quite pious, a bit scandalising sometimes but they're young

[Anonymous No.17950001]

>>17946951
i go at least once a week, have really built a community. there's a lot of weirdos like this at the sspx london chapel so i've heard so i avoid it, my local one is cosy

[Anonymous No.17950012]

>>17949157
It’s not wrong. Try doing some research. Attending heterodox mass is discouraged.

>>17949466
Yes, I’m sure.

[Anonymous No.17950014]

I went to church every week before they closed town. I also went there to attend midday sermons atleast once a week.

[Anonymous No.17950808]

>>17949466
No we can’t, Orthodox don’t want non-Orthodox receiving the Eucharist nor do they want their own parishioners receiving the Eucharist at Catholic Churches since it would be an indication of a communion that doesn’t exist. It’s slightly more ambiguous whether or no Catholics mind the Orthodox taking communion at their churches, but for practical purposes if you don’t believe in Catholicism you shouldn’t be taking communion

[Anonymous No.17950816]

>>17950001
You’re probably better of, SSPX priests can be okay but their parishes often attract /pol/-tier schizos

[Anonymous No.17950853]

People on 4chan are so adrift in society that some of them are willing to join themselves to /pol/ just to feel like someone agrees with them
These are exactly the kind of people churches are selling themselves to when they advertise their product
It's only natural that some would fall for the bait
Just like /pol/, we have enough information to know that that way of thinking is bullshit, but anons have proven themselves willing to be willfully ignorant

>>17948865
>If you can buy things at a store, then you have enough social skills to attend Mass.
You said it better than I could Christbro

[Anonymous No.17950943]

>>17950853
>churches are selling themselves to when they advertise their product
They aren't. There are christians trying to sell the church as the will of /pol/ on earth, but the actual churches I've visited are pretty far from /pol/, some even are the opposite of it.
Nobody tries to sell themselves to political fringe groups, except grifters.

[Anonymous No.17951866]

>>17948755
he hung out with murderers, thieves, prostitutes, tax collectors etc. who realised the wrongs they are doing and turned to God.

[Anonymous No.17952122]

It's time to go back to Mass laddies. Your Father's waitin' for ya.

[Anonymous No.17952135]

>>17950853
>People on 4chan are so adrift in society that some of them are willing to join themselves to /pol/ just to feel like someone agrees with them

You just HAD to mention /pol/. Yikes. Letting a board live in your head.

[Anonymous No.17952214]

>>17950853
lol I knew someone would quote me on that to say the church is selling something, very predictable.

[Anonymous No.17952254]

>>17949628
Charity is mostly just modern day indulgences. It’s a very convenient way to buy yourself out of having to sacrifice anything for your faith

[Anonymous No.17952436]

>>17946951
I had to post when I say the only books being recommended were by papists.

[Anonymous No.17952456]

>>17951866
Not always, some got worst

[Anonymous No.17952744]

>>17946951
Why are all you retards cathtards or orthotards lol. Evangelical churches can be cucked as hell but you'll meet plenty of normal, intelligent people there under the age of 50.

Just imagining you larping retards with your rosaries or whatever is making me laugh. Enough with all the ritualism you borderline occult little bitches

[Anonymous No.17952849]

I haven't been regularly since I was a child. I wonder if I'd stand out going by myself

[Anonymous No.17952883]

>>17951866
Only because he hung out with them

[Anonymous No.17952893]

>>17952744
It's honestly surprising how protestants are so disrespectful to the pillars and traditions of Christianity.

[Anonymous No.17952936]

>>17946951
The second one, don't believe their posturing.

[Anonymous No.17953000]

>>17949519
lol what attitude? the joke at the beginning? and they say religious people lack sense of humour... your animosity makes me laugh and sad at once

[Anonymous No.17953010]

>>17946964
>luigi giussani

[Anonymous No.17953168]

>>17952893
you know nothing about Christianity if you think the Pope has any holy authority whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.17953297]

>>17953168
Debatable. But what does this have to do with prayer, the rosary, and traditional liturgical practice which you call occult?

[Anonymous No.17953328]

>>17953297
all ritualistic, legalistic nonsense. The same type of shit that Jesus criticized in the Pharisees. The worship of Mary is not biblical. Roman Catholic Church is chock full of pedos, Illuminati, and globalist elites. The fucking Pope is pushing globohomo faggot shit, what more do I need to say lol.

[Anonymous No.17953355]

>>17953328
Our Lady of Fatima says you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.17953432]

>>17953328
>all ritualistic, legalistic nonsense.
How about you read Exodus and Leviticus if you don't understand the importance of Liturgy?

>The worship of Mary is not biblical.
Same strawman used over and over. How many times are you guys going to use this one? We don't worship her, we venerate her since she's the Mother of God (Luke 1:40-42, Luke 1:28). "Behold thy mother" anon

Luke 1:40-42
and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost. And she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb."


>Roman Catholic Church is chock full of pedos, Illuminati, and globalist elites
Yeah and Judas was part of the apostles once. Doesn't mean you leave Jesus. All of those things are rejected by the Church, maybe not its people. They arise as a result of corruption and human nature.

>The fucking Pope is pushing globohomo faggot shit,
His political opinions don't effect Church dogma. Unlike some protestant sects, the Church will never have female priests, gay marriage blessings, homosexuality, promote contraception, classical liberalism and religious indifferentism, or abortion. All of these things are rejected based on the Church's Infallible Magisterium whose authority has been passed down as by apostolic tradition and the rock (kephas) which Jesus proclaimed was Peter. How confident can you be with one protestant sect that exists out of the 1000s?

[Anonymous No.17953477]

>>17953432
blah blah blah

the rules of Leviticus are for Jews only, are you a Jew? And so you agree that Jesus should not have been working on the sabbath? Retard.

Nobody's leaving Jesus, they're leaving your faggy church lol.

Your church has gay pedo priests, what the fuck do you mean your church doesn't have homosexuality lol. I'm much more confident in my church than your Illuminati-controlled opium of the masses garbage.

[Anonymous No.17953589]

why is /lit/ reading list freshman year anti-god, communist pseudo shit?

[Anonymous No.17953650]

>>17953589
>freshman year
who tf do you think browses /lit

[Anonymous No.17954092]

>>17953477
pathetic response

[Anonymous No.17954111]

>>17954092
how so? most people who come here are college-aged pseuds. are you buttmad because you're one of them?

[Anonymous No.17954135]

you'dd think wailing your days away on 4channel would be some kind of sin
lmao
don't give me any of that saving lost souls cope
you guys suck at it, made me a bigge fedora

[Anonymous No.17954153]

>>17948755
>Jesus hung out with murderers, thieves, prostitutes, tax collectors, etc
Are you Jesus?
This arrogance is amazing.

[Anonymous No.17954269]

>>17954153
Be perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect.

[Anonymous No.17954309]

>>17954111
Your argument is literally, "human do bad thing therefore, catholicism is bad." You sound like a new atheist.

[Anonymous No.17954334]

>>17954309
How can you even separate Catholicism from the people who do it lol? You're the fucktards who don't believe in sola scriptura. Don't know what that is, huh? Then go Google it you fake Christian fuck

[Anonymous No.17954355]

>>17953477
The christian liturgical tradition has always been important. The Old testament is just as important as the new and it can shed light on how we should hold the way we worship God. Just read Justin Martyr and his apology. The lack of importance for the way you worship as a Christian is concerning.

[Anonymous No.17954365]

>>17954334
The church dogma/the spirit of Catholicism is obviously different from the way people act. Just as christian teaching is distinct from actual christians. Do you belittle christianity because of the sinners who call themselves christian? No instead you correct the sinner.

[Anonymous No.17954371]

>>17946951
I attend Mass regularly.

[Anonymous No.17954388]

>>17954355
don't care for your rules and regulations, get the stick out of your ass Pharisee.

>The lack of importance for the way you worship as a Christian is concerning.
typical holier-than-thou scold, you're the reason people have such a negative impression of Christianity

>>17954365
Catholicism gives holy authority to man. If all men are sinners, then you just gave holy authority to sinners.

Churches that follow sola scriptura don't have this issue. Google it yet, tard?

[Anonymous No.17954463]

>>17954388
>don't care for your rules and regulations
Liturgical practice is not rules and regulations. It is care for the practice and reverence towards God.

>Churches that follow sola scriptura don't have this issue.
Sola scriptura might seem like it solves the "evil men in control of bible problem" but the problem of who actually interprets it was something that Luther considered. Luther still believed that the interpretation should be given to readers and preachers. But the problem of how we are to distinguish right interpretation from wrong still remains. Catholicism has remained fast to the tradition of having apostolic authority and its succession interpret scripture just as Peter says:

>And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking of this[a] as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. (2 Peter 3:15-16)

[Anonymous No.17954477]

I was baptised after receiving the holy spirit and speaking in tongues, at age 12.
Stopped attending church at 14.
Better to worship through day to day activities, churches in the modern day have too much normie he said she said backstabbing shit.

[Anonymous No.17954522]

>>17954463
>It is care for the practice and reverence towards God.
You do it with a stick up your ass and judge people who don't do it your way.

Of course sola scriptura still requires interpretation of the Bible but that's preferable to blindly following traditions created by fallible men. Look up the forced celibacy of priests in the 1100s, it was a political play to stop the accumulation of wealth in priestly families. But you people consider that holy tradition lol.

I doubt Peter would give the current pope any sort of apostolic authority. More of an end times deception than anything.

[Anonymous No.17954798]

>>17953589
>anti-god, communist pseudo shit
>2. the bible
what?

[Anonymous No.17954816]

I'm an atheistfag but I pop into church now and again.

[Anonymous No.17955021]

>indoctrinate myself with the wrong group of dick cutter jew god golems out of the thousands of groups and iterations through time and space
>burn in hell for eternity
would someone mind rationalizing how this was my fault for me

[Anonymous No.17955105]

>>17946951
St Symeon the new theologian was not a fan of the clergy and that's a pattern I can't help but notice.

But just to be right in the collective (Catholicism and Orthodoxy are collectivist in their social interactions) and to not be a lazy person and have less to be blamed on you, we should all go to the Church and make that central for us, after all the Eucharist is mystical and the foundation that holds everything together, it's the thing we should become fascinated with and attend as often as possible.

That being said, I don't go to church, I want to - but I can't convince myself... I became Christian a few years ago, but It ended up as some sort of non-denominational position... historical reading and the power of arguments convinced me that the institution is important tho.

In an individualistic world that spreads, the Church is the last institution that won't change which we have to deal with and be enriched by.

Are there some books on practical wisdom in dealing with clergy and so on?

[Anonymous No.17955120]

>>17949157
It's against dogma and discouraged, to the point when that happens among clergy, even bishops they are deposed or penalized seriously.
Meanwhile no one is getting excommunicated in general, but such things are enforced religiously.

[Anonymous No.17955126]

90% of christians on 4chan are larping

[Anonymous No.17955194]

>>17955126
source: your ass

[Anonymous No.17955292]

>>17955194
so they are devout but just terrible at it
lmao

why would 4chan, of all places, attract a disproportionate amount of Christians from the global population?

[Anonymous No.17955321]

>>17955194
90% of posts on 4chan is stuff you go to hell for

[Anonymous No.17955344]

>>17946951
No, the Chuch is pozzed. Luther was right. Do you think the desert fathers worried about paying homage to men masquerading as god's authority?

[Anonymous No.17955544]

>>17946951
I go to Church, but not every week

[Anonymous No.17955645]

>>17951866
"Hung out"
It's not like he was going bowling with these people

[Anonymous No.17955836]

>>17955292
maybe your pre-conceived notions of Christianity are wrong? but you could never be wrong, could you?

>so they are devout but just terrible at it
so everyone on 4chan is one person lmao. the guy with the pony figurines is the same as the Christian guy huh?

anyway, being devout has nothing to do with whether or not you're "good" at being Christian. you don't know the first thing about Christianity and it shows.

>>17955321
sins are covered by endless grace, read a fucking Bible dipshit

[Anonymous No.17955962]

>>17955836
maybe you are wrong
retard

[Anonymous No.17955970]

>>17955962
what a convincing argument.
stupid cunt

[Anonymous No.17955990]

Not everyone can be saved.

[Anonymous No.17956337]

>>17946951
go to church?
nigga the pandemic shut down the religious services of my whole country

[Anonymous No.17956846]

>>17954365
You recognize the tree by its fruit.

[Anonymous No.17956876]

>>17956846
So what do you think about the saints?

[Anonymous No.17957013]

>>17954388
Authority is still given to text written by sinners. It doesn't matter they were sinners, because the text is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
In the same way, when the pope or the magisterium of the church speaks with inspiration of the Holy Spirit regarding the interpretation of the scripture, we accept it.

[Anonymous No.17957719]

>>17955105
>the Church is the last institution that won't change
LOL

[Anonymous No.17957726]

>>17957013
With practices like that, there can be no doubt of your jewish origins.

[Anonymous No.17957846]

>>17957013
If the magisterium isn't any of the people in the church what is it?

[Anonymous No.17958045]

>>17949557
>but Jesus never explicitly tells him to give up his wealth
To be fair, in all versions of the story, Jesus feels it's much more urgent he come down from the tree first. Maybe Jesus just has different first priorities about what's an obstacle.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5WTpUNi5fs

[Anonymous No.17958104]

>>17954388
>If all men are sinners, then you just gave holy authority to sinners.
>Churches that follow sola scriptura don't have this issue.
They have that issue on a broader scale. Catholicism's authoritative style white lists some sinners, but personal interpretation lets them all have a shot. Also, very few Christian sects have anything against sinners being involved in reading the Bible. That's because very few Christian sects believe that one can be made perfect on earth. You would literally have to find the person without sin.

[Anonymous No.17958270]

>>17957846
What?
The magisterium is the pope and the bishops of the church.

[Anonymous No.17958291]

>>17954153
Aren't you supposed to imitate Jesus?

[Anonymous No.17958295]

>>17946989
I mean not really. These americana evangelists really make all christians look like awful judgemental bigots.

[Anonymous No.17958315]

>>17949220
Yeah, it's a thing, but so was jewish nazism.

[Anonymous No.17958327]

>>17953589
Did you even look at the list you posted?

[Anonymous No.17958352]

>>17946951
I’m in the discord you got this image from

[Anonymous No.17958358]

>>17946951
You asked this question in the discord too. Or at least someone did.

[Anonymous No.17958371]

>>17958352
both of you should go back to it and fuck off

[Anonymous No.17958372]

>>17953477
>blabbing on and on about Jews
>repeats Jewish MSM pedo propaganda designed to weaken and destroy the church

Sheep

[Anonymous No.17958374]

>>17958371
Here’s your (You) :-)

[Anon from our mutual discord No.17958379]

>>17946951
The inclusion of the work “books” doesn’t stop this thread from being off topic. Try harder next time

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>>17946951
I can't believe I lived too see a tone where zoomers are religious rebelliously kek

[Anonymous No.17958430]

>>17958372
lmao cope. The current catholic church is just a Jesuit prank

[Anonymous No.17958434]

>>17958315
Twitter is just a website. It's just a bundle of code written by several prorgammers. Using it does not place you anywhere on the political spectrum.

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>>17958434

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>>17958425
I know right? It’s unbelievably cringe, but in a postmodern way, obedience as rebellion. I never thought there would be a generation that outcringed the millennials, but that’s life for you

[Anonymous No.17958611]

>>17948775
This is me except I've been going every Sunday since January. Go to a traditional catholic church. They're very welcoming and kind.

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>>17946951
>do they even go to church
I have church services Wednesday night, Sunday morning, and then two shorter chapel services Wednesday morning and Friday morning. Before the funnyflu I also did a second service Sunday morning.
> to be fair I am doing Biblical studies

[Anonymous No.17958720]

>>17946986
At my church we have about 60 people in middle school and high school (pre-covid attendees to youth group on Wednesday nights, with high as high as 80 students). In my opinion, the future of a church is dependent on the strength of its youth group.

[Anonymous No.17958757]

>>17948755
>>17947619
Based fellow seminarian. I'm not a pastor's kid but my mom was. I intend to go into ministry but in what specific way still remains to be seen. In school I learned about all the types of chaplains and specific types of ministries. When I decided to start school I only saw people as "youth pastor" or "head pastor" and so I need to narrow my specific pursuit.
>>17948704
Christians aren't Jews. We don't need to separate from the unclean.
>>17954153
>trying to be Christlike is arrogant
>>17951866
>who realised the wrongs they are doing and turned to God.
and how do you think they came to this realization?

[Anonymous No.17958781]

>>17949581
>mfw I explain something using historical context at my church and get called a heretic because I didn't give an interpretation that supports putting X verse on a magnet on their fridge

[Anonymous No.17958808]

>>17954522
>I doubt Peter would give the current pope any sort of apostolic authority.
Yah just look at what succeeded him said...

[Anonymous No.17958840]

>>17958808
an apostolic father