Anybody else independently came to ideas of big philosophers?

[Anonymous No.17944018]

When I was a child, I discovered the labor theory of value only to find out years later a man called Karl Marx already came up with it before me. I mean, it's obvious that companies wouldn't sell a product if they wouldn't profit from it economically.

When still a young teenager, I realized that many people are naturally subservient and that the dominant status quo ideology in the west is political correctness (supporting the underdog / celebrating weakness and ugliness) years later I discovered a man called Friedrich Nietzsche already came up with the idea of slave morality long before me.

Same thing with Carl Schmitt. His ideas that law is not fully objective and downstream from politics, liberal governments are weak and liberalism is unworldly aren't novel ideas to me, it's common sense. I could have said that as a 14 year old.

[Anonymous No.17944038]

>>17944018
All meme stuff, give us something from Plato, Eriugena, Kant or Schelling

[Anonymous No.17944139]

>>17944018
wow i cant believe you had a thought that vaguely resembled an extremely undeveloped version of some philosopher's idea, you must be so smart.
Maybe you should try putting in the work to build your ideas into something more complicated than a passing observation about society before you compare yourself to actually intelligent people.

[Anonymous No.17944162]

I came up with schopenhauers metaphysics about two years before I read him

[Anonymous No.17944171]

There’s a line in one of Nietzsche’s books where he talks about Pontius Pilate being the most principled person in the story of Jesus’ crucifixion. I had that thought in catechism when I was young, I’m ashamed to admit.

[Anonymous No.17944196]

Where do you think thoughts come from nigga?

Premises have fixed inferences. There's a universal logic common to all man.

You used reason. Nigga.

[Anonymous No.17944202]

>>17944018
a lot of them actually and sometimes even the counter arguments that would be penned by later philosphers on anything from plato Forms to epistemology, metaphysics of morals, god, nature of reality, body/consciousness and some of the post-modernist concepts. Never as deep as like Lacan and D&G though. I just never sat down and turned these vague notions into rigorous arguments and contextualized them. But the intuitive kernal of the idea you can usually conceive just by altering a parameter or two of the inputs used for as the basis for an old idea and asking how would this change the outcome.

[Anonymous No.17944224]

Yes. The great names are highly overrated. Truth comes from God, not man. All university rats are heretics in my book.

[Anonymous No.17944233]

>>17944018
>When I was a child, I discovered the labor theory of value only to find out years later a man called Karl Marx already came up with it before me. I mean, it's obvious that companies wouldn't sell a product if they wouldn't profit from it economically.
This paragraph is wrong on so many levels

[Anonymous No.17944263]

>>17944018
your post reeks of hubris. you have a poor understanding of the ideas you claim are common sense and have repeatedly stated opinion as fact. while attempting to promote your intelligence all you managed to do was reveal your stupidity. i hope you die painfully after a long and debillitating illness

[Anonymous No.17944268]

Of course. I think most people have. What separates philosophy from just having an idea is the rigour with which it is argued for. I mean, during the summer holidays when I was 11 once spent half a day trying to figure out for myself what time "is", and the result was I came up with lots of ideas that I would later find mirrored in Aristotle. The difference is I had not real arguments for any of them, they were just broad "what if" scenarios.

[Anonymous No.17944271]

>>17944018
Pretty good bait although personally I didnt fall for it so maybe not the best bait. It takes extremely good bait to bait me.

[Anonymous No.17944301]

>>17944018
>Karl Marx already came up with it
just shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.17944317]

>>17944271
But you replied, hence fell for the bait

[Anonymous No.17944319]

>>17944268
The genius of philosophers and artists lies partly in the clearness and distinction with which they express their ideas. At the most basic level, you only what a thing is not, but as you get closer to illuminating a concept, the more you're able to grasp the essence of the very thing itself. It is due to the clarity of the idea that one is able to elegantly express it.

[Anonymous No.17944339]

>>17944317
To compliment a man on his bait is not to take bait and obviously not to "fall" for it.
Here are some men taking bait:
>>17944301
>>17944263
>>17944233
>>17944202
>>17944139
>>17944038

[Anonymous No.17944345]

>>17944339
I met people who genuinely believe the things said in OP

[Anonymous No.17944409]

>>17944339
got you

[Anonymous No.17944429]

>>17944409
Damn...

[Anonymous No.17944442]

>>17944263
>>17944139
Envious pseuds
>>17944038
I haven't read those yet, but I'm sure I would discover ideas that I already came up with myself there too if I were to read them.

[Anonymous No.17944454]

>>17944345
>LTV is wrong
>Master slave morality doesn't exist
>Schmitt was wrong

Spotted the pseud

[Anonymous No.17944469]

>>17944263
>your post reeks of hubris. you have a poor understanding of the ideas you claim are common sense and have repeatedly stated opinion as fact. while attempting to promote your intelligence all you managed to do was reveal your stupidity. i hope you die painfully after a long and debillitating illness

[Anonymous No.17944497]

>>17944339
>taking the bait
>implying I read past the Subject and 1st sentence
Subject is an interesting thread topic

[Anonymous No.17944644]

>>17944454
What? I meant somethign completely else. Btw, the LTV is a tautology.

[Anonymous No.17944648]

>>17944442
>I haven't read Plato
This explains everything

[Anonymous No.17944663]

i pretty much cant understand philosophy for shit but once i come to an independent understanding and come back to the books, i find that some of them make sense.

thoughts?

[Anonymous No.17944666]

>>17944644
It is?

[Anonymous No.17944929]

>>17944666
Yes.
https://www.econlib.org/archives/2010/03/biggest_flaw_in.html

[Anonymous No.17944954]

>>17944018
Same. I already came up with existentialism and BTFO when I was a teenager and silently chuckled in the backseat when my literature teacher talked about how revolutionary Camus was.

[Anonymous No.17944981]

>>17944139
/thread/
>>17944018
Stop sniffing your own farts. Its the difference between thinking some black powder can lanch you up high vs an actual rocket. the idea in its abstractnest sense isnt hard to come up with, especially after the fact that its a known idea, its creating a solid systemization of the thing. I think you are not taking things in a more extracontextual sense.

[Anonymous No.17944993]

>>17944929
There's no tautology described in that link, just the writer disregarding that socially necessary labor time is given by Marx as an average, and so it's not stumped by individuals randomly stumbling into valuable goods, or being more skilled at creating or finding them than others, and so on.
I'm still curious though what you think the tautology in the LTV is, in your own words.

[Anonymous No.17946444]

>>17944018
I independently arrived at practically all the non-theistic insights of Buddhism, including interdependence and Indra's net, and it caused me a minor breakdown to realize someone founded a 2000 year old religion around those. Later on, I recovered and realized if an idiot like me could come up with that after spending nearly 30 years trying to not live life, then Buddhism had to be wrong about the answers too.

[Anonymous No.17946459]

>>17944666
>Checked devilish trips

[Anonymous No.17946469]

I believed that every hero can become a villain because vice was just misapplied virtue. Then I read Aristotle about every virtue being a balance between two vices.
I generally thought that the most important truths can be worded such that they can be applied truthfully to a variety of situations. I only later found out that was called aphorism.

[Anonymous No.17946477]

>>17944018
marx didn't come up with the labor theory of value

[Anonymous No.17946480]

>>17944497
this

OP's topic is worth the thread alone. Only read the full post because of these other anons. Going to still follow this thread