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[Anonymous No.17938402]

I know the God Delusion isn’t the best atheist book but where do I start with his books on evolution?

[Anonymous No.17938424]

>>17938402
The Selfish Gene obviously, you really did not need a thread for this

[Anonymous No.17939794]

>>17938402
>evolution
not real

[Anonymous No.17939805]

>>17939794
>>>/r/eddit

[Anonymous No.17939811]

>>17938424
this was literally debunked as pseudoscience

[Anonymous No.17941035]

>>17938402
Climbing Mt. Improbable. And Darwin's Dangerous Idea by Dennett. The Selfish Gene and The Extended Phenotype aren't as well written, are addressed primarily to other biologists, have been weakly misread and commented on by idiot journalists and other such politicians more times than I can count, and are not places to start for those and other reasons.

[Anonymous No.17941050]

>>17938402
God he has such an annoyingly smug face. I want to beat him to death with my bare hands.

[Anonymous No.17941247]

>>17938402
Genesis, Creation, and Early Man - Seraphim Rose

[Anonymous No.17941379]

Blind watchmaker

[Anonymous No.17942402]

>>17941247
>creationist book
Kek

[Anonymous No.17942451]

>>17939805
Believing in the evolution meme is pure Reddit

[Anonymous No.17942455]

>Believing in the evolution meme is pure Reddit

[Anonymous No.17942457]

>>17942455

[Anonymous No.17942478]

>>17942457
How is that direction-brained? We aren’t talking about politics. If anything it applies more to you because you are rejecting a scientific fact because it’s “peak reddit”.

[Anonymous No.17942517]

>>17942478
>If anything it applies more to you because you are rejecting a scientific fact because it’s “peak reddit”.
Scientific """fact"""
lel

[Anonymous No.17942573]

>>17942517
It is though. 97% of biologists believe in it which is about as high as a scientific consensus can get. You can disagree with Dawkins’s gene centered view of evolution but you can’t object to evolution on defensible scientific grounds.

[Anonymous No.17942587]

>>17942573
>97% of biologists believe in it which is about as high as a scientific consensus can get
99% percent of retards believe in flat earth which is about as high as a retard consensus can get, therefore you can't object to flat earth on defensible retarded grounds.

[Anonymous No.17942610]

>>17939811
Sauce? I'd love to read a Dawkins takedown

[Anonymous No.17942623]

>>17942587
>Believing consensus drives truth
Science has become a joke

[Anonymous No.17942630]

>>17942573
>Believing consensus drives truth
Science has become a joke

[Anonymous No.17943007]

>>17942478
You instantly implied he was a Christian for rejecting evolution

[Anonymous No.17943152]

>>17939811
you don't have a clue what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.17943165]

>>17941035
>don't read his two most important books which he explicitly made accessible to the layman
absolutely bizarre post

[Anonymous No.17943201]

>>17942630
Then give us the brilliant alternative to evolution, something better than ‘Gawd dun did it’

[Anonymous No.17943215]

>>17943201
I personally am pretty much certain evolution is true but it still remains on a much lower level of certainty, macro-evolution anyway, because we can't verify it in any real way, than experimental sciences. There is a certain amount of intrinsic absurdity in acting really sure of yourself about things which happened 100 million years

[Anonymous No.17943391]

>>17943215
>but it still remains on a much lower level of certainty, macro-evolution anyway
Not this bullshit again. For the last time, macro-evolution is just lots of micro-evolution. There has never been a single barrier that prevents one species changing into multiple species over time, other than butthurt religious zealots clinging to their Eden myth.

It’s demonstrably just a story, based on a predecessor from Canaanite polytheism. Get over it already

[Anonymous No.17943410]

>>17943391
you can't verify things that take that much time experimentally, and you can't verify the past at all

[Anonymous No.17943427]

>>17943007
Yes.....? I mean I guess he could be Jewish or Muslim but it’s unlikely.

[Anonymous No.17943447]

>>17942587
Retards aren’t comparable to biologists
>>17942630
So do you believe there is a conspiracy or do you just believe that your smarter than 97% of biologists.

[Anonymous No.17943449]

>>17943410
This is literally called inference, based on very real instances of speciation. A good portion of the very science you accept as valid is based on it

[Anonymous No.17943472]

>>17942517
Please, for the love of whatever sky guy you believe in, shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.17943479]

>>17943449
>A good portion of the very science you accept as valid
I don't though, unless it can be experimentally verified, and ideally applied in some manner, then I don't really quite believe it, I just consider it as the more likely option.

[Anonymous No.17943482]

>>17943391
This

[Anonymous No.17943879]

>>17943479
>Believing experiment drives truth
Science has become a joke

[Anonymous No.17943896]

>>17943479
>I don't though, unless it can be experimentally verified, and ideally applied in some manner, then I don't really quite believe it, I just consider it as the more likely option.
As does literally all science. Do you really think you’re some kind of second coming of Feyerabend, a rebel philosopher in the static church of science?

[Anonymous No.17943929]

>>17943879
It's as close to truth as you can get in terms of science
>>17943896
I just explained my position and why I don't consider evolution be as certain as more experimental parts of science, that's it.

[Anonymous No.17943954]

>>17943929
>I just explained my position and why I don't consider evolution be as certain as more experimental parts of science, that's it.
Yes, and more than a century of biological research has very convincingly demonstrated that you’re a retard. Evolution is now pretty much the backbone of biology, and is considered a monument of science, equivalent to the theories of Newton. Only religious retards still complain, and insist that science is a big plot by Lucifer to make us gay and that it was actually a wizard all along. Also Trump is still the president and trust the plan

[Anonymous No.17943966]

>>17943954
You are getting agitated for no reason. I said that I am almost certain evolution is true, but because it can't be experimentally verified I don't accord it the same certainty as scientific results that can be experimentally verified.

[Anonymous No.17944000]

>>17943929
There's nothing epistemologically magical about experiments, they're just the preferred method of validation for a specific kind of problem. Evolution isn't that kind of problem. That doesn't mean that the degree of certainty is actually less, given the inherent problems of the experimental approach.
All the evidence pointing toward X is good enough for a scientific notion of 'certainty' as far as I'm concerned.

[Anonymous No.17944024]

>>17943966
We can’t experimentally verify that after dropping a ball 100 times, it will drop the 101st time, do you believe that because of that, it will float?

[Anonymous No.17944035]

>>17944000
>There's nothing epistemologically magical about experiments,
there is though, you can repeatedly establish the link between condition x and y with very precise control of each variable involved. You can't do this for facts about the distant past, you can't isolate any of the variables or know with any certainty what the conditions were.

[Anonymous No.17944044]

>>17938402
Nobody really this nigga seriously. Not even other biologists. He's really just a joke.

[Anonymous No.17944049]

>>17944024
We do have to retain that possibility of course, but we can establish that the ball has done the same thing in every instance of which we have a record.

[Anonymous No.17944079]

>>17939811
DEBOONKED

[Anonymous No.17944095]

Central Limit Theorem has been deboonked as racist pseudoscience

[Anonymous No.17945175]

>>17944044
False

[Anonymous No.17945220]

>>17945175
It's true, he's more a celebrity known for his hot takes outside of his field more than anything else. He's the black science man of biology.

[Anonymous No.17945284]

>>17945220
This is just entirely untrue the book was widely praised by people in his field. There are of course disagreements people have with various claims or models

[Anonymous No.17946163]

>>17938402
Read The Greatest Show on Earth and Ancestor's Tale.