/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17927455]

Literature about male beauty?

[Anonymous No.17927464]

The Trouble with Being Born by Emil Cioran

[Anonymous No.17927469]

Anything by Mishima

[Anonymous No.17927501]

>>17927469
This
Also Oscar Wilde's fairytales + Dorian Gray

[Anonymous No.17927666]

Death in Venice by Thomas Mann

[Anonymous No.17928847]

>>17927666
came here to post this. the film by visconti is also a treasure.

>>17927469
...yeah. if you want to read and cringe at the same time.

[Anonymous No.17928883]

>>17927455
My diary, desu.

[Anonymous No.17928898]

>>17927455
this guy looks gay, he crossed the line where he is putting too much effort into his looks. male Narcissism

[Anonymous No.17928918]

The Gay Science

[Anonymous No.17928926]

>>17927455
Name of this twink?

[Anonymous No.17928984]

>>17928898
>putting too much effort into his looks
He's just young and pretty. Probably lives an easy stress-free life and is well taken care of. He woke up like that.

[Anonymous No.17929042]

>>17927455
Isn't it sad to know that all beauty ends up vanishing? He will not be young forever, will lose hair, his skin will wrinkle...

[Anonymous No.17929054]

>>17927455
My diary desu

[Anonymous No.17929173]

>>17929042
That's absolute bullshit, men can remain beautiful regardless of the age, as long as they're not truly decrepit 60+ year olds.

[Anonymous No.17929210]

>>17929042
And he'll turn into a cool-looking wise old man, whom people will instinctively see as a pillar of his community. "Twink death" is a meme cooked up by pederasts who don't truly love the male form and can't accept its transformations.

[Anonymous No.17929219]

>>17927455
The poetry my girlfriend writes. She's not very good at it but I love her very much and I appreciate when she recites something for me.

[Anonymous No.17929320]

I too am really disappointed in the quality and quantity of books on the subject of youthful male beauty.
best we get is some old pedo guy drooling over some boytoy or women writing soft core erotica completely missing the mark.
I dont know why it is so but it seems to not be the case that attractive guys write; specifically write about themselves. I am tempted to write about it myself, all from the point of view of a narcassist in love with his own beauty.
But I fear this will qualify me as actually being one of the dysgenic ugly writers which I desperately want to avoid and need to if I wish to remain true to the intent of the novel.

[Anonymous No.17929498]

>>17929320
You seriously need to read Mishima if you haven't already. I have the same problem as you and this is why he's pretty much the only gaylit I enjoy.
>I am tempted to write about it myself, all from the point of view of a narcassist in love with his own beauty.
Based, but also seriously read Mishima first because he did this.

[Anonymous No.17929537]

>>17929498
>he's pretty much the only gaylit I enjoy.
But this is specifically an aspect I dislike and would name the main error for any female writer on male beauty who can't resist sexualizing male beauty.
His homoeroticism actually was what turned me off from him (besides "the Sailor..." and other novels where there was no homo eroticism in it), but I guess I'll actually check it out finally.
Where start on this topic with Mishima? Confessions of a Mask?

[Anonymous No.17929587]

>>17929537
Maybe look into Paglia's Sexual Personae, she writes a whole section on the idea of the "Beautiful Boy." If you're looking for anything about male beauty written by a man, then you'll be extremely hard pressed to find anything that isn't homoerotic.

[Anonymous No.17929640]

>>17929537
Then read Oscar Wilde's material for kids, maybe? Like The Happy Prince, The Nightingale and The Rose, The Fisherman and his Soul, The Young King, etc. It's all G-rated but still very much an exploration of male beauty and martyrdom. I dunno what else to recommend you honestly, nobody really writes about human beauty without to some degree wanting to coom to it.

[Anonymous No.17929685]

>>17929537
Spring snow is not homoerotic and deals with male beauty - start there

[Anonymous No.17929734]

>>17929320
Have you ever heard of "David Blaize", anon? It's an old boarding school novel. It does have some homosexual themes, but since it was written in the early 20th century, they're quite restrained. Quite a comfy read.

[Anonymous No.17929737]

>>17928898
How much effort do you think he puts into his appearance?
By the look of it, far the less than men whose main pass time is lifting weights.

[Anonymous No.17929800]

>>17929537
Also, doesn't most knightlit fit into this category? It's been ages since I read them but I remember the Song of Roland and all the Arthur-related material having this focus at times.

[Anonymous No.17929809]

>>17927455
>brown hair
>beautiful
Not aryan

[Anonymous No.17929818]

>>17929537
>can't resist sexualizing male beauty
Yet you posted the image in >>17929320. Human beauty is in part necessarily sexual. That's why you posted a white blonde twink rather than a black daddy/bear type.

[Anonymous No.17929883]

>>17929800
>It's been ages since I read them but I remember the Song of Roland and all the Arthur-related material having this focus at times.
Do you really feel they are exemplifying male beauty though and not more heroism and courage with etiquette and brotherly bond?
You obviously find a description of a strong shoulder or wide chests as in any epic, but it seems to be intended for totally different purposes than the absracted and isolated form of (physical) male beauty.
>>17929818
>Human beauty is in part necessarily sexual.
I dont want to agree with this.
I could lay my hand on his flat chest, caress his hair and yet none of this has to be out of a sexual drive, but instead be pure absolute admiration for the male body.
>That's why you posted a white blonde twink rather than a black daddy/bear type.
I get the concern, but I think the distinction one makes in male beauty has to be a reflection on one self. My intent here is: the youthful but adult male form; being hairy, bulky muscular, etc. does not fit this idea.
All this sexualization is specifically the aspect I dislike. I have read to little psychoanalysis to make a good analogy to some interpretation of desire, but I really do not want to give libido all this credit.

[Anonymous No.17929918]

>>17929737
If you lift only for your appearance, you're going to have a hard time of it anyway

>>17929320
Why would an attractive guy write, as opposed to the other things they could be doing? Honest question.

[Anonymous No.17929951]

>>17927455
Pretty generic, nothing stand-out about this fella.

[Anonymous No.17929999]

>>17929883
>Do you really feel they are exemplifying male beauty though and not more heroism and courage with etiquette and brotherly bond?
Anon with all those qualifiers, what you're asking for doesn't even exist. No sexualization but also no beauty serving other purposes? "Physical male beauty" can't exist in in abstracted and isolated form because it serves a concrete evolutionary purpose, and that is to make us want to make babies and to a lesser degree help us decide who to form platonic bonds with and who to avoid. Of course all discourse on beauty is going to feature one or both undercurrents.

[Anonymous No.17930019]

>>17929918
>Why would an attractive guy write, as opposed to the other things they could be doing? Honest question.
Because he wants to? There's a tendency to objectify hot people as having no interiority independent of their prepossessing appearance. One might argue that they learn about their attractiveness from others and base their self-conception around it early, therefore preempting the need for the kind of introspection that motivates writers. But I don't see that as an accurate line of thought.

It's a simple matter of statistics. Very hot people are rare and writers are relatively rare. Most people are neither. Therefore hot boy writers are doubly rare.

But I know this because I as a hot boy writer so they must exist.

[Anonymous No.17930024]

>>17927455
Any book about trannies desu

[Anonymous No.17930027]

>>17930019
>I as a
was a

[Anonymous No.17930042]

>>17927455
A beautiful young man for sure. A mix of emerging masculine features with a still present childlike innocence. A true flower just about to start blooming - he'll just get more handsome as he aproaches his thirties, i'm sure.

[Anonymous No.17930105]

>>17929918
>as opposed to the other things they could be doing? Honest question.
I agree. These guys categorically would not write. I am personally convinced there are certain types that simply would never write (whatever they may be). The best readers can get would be by others writing about them or a post-type reflecting but this seems to not be appropriate then anymore.
The only way I can fathom why such a guy would write is due to a narcassistic character that only revolves around itself. It would then be the guy writing to himself about himself in the manner someone might write about someone else's body.
I don't know how to go about this though, since the more he would strive toward being a writer on the topic he would veer away from being one himself, which defeats the whole purpose.
in the end I know the best I will manage anyway is a thinly veiled auto-biographical approach to the relevant topic.

[Anonymous No.17930140]

>>17930019
>But I know this because I as a hot boy writer so they must exist.
kek
ok then engage this question real quick:
Why are practically All writers not attractive in the youthful beautiful male sense.
The best we get is physically strong masculine writers who are often more gritty than beautiful.
I cant read Oscar Wilde's writing on the topic because I find his physical appearance repulsive.

[Anonymous No.17930143]

>>17927455
Death in Venice

[Anonymous No.17930175]

>>17929883
>I could lay my hand on his flat chest, caress his hair and yet none of this has to be out of a sexual drive, but instead be pure absolute admiration for the male body.
Yet, you would not do that with 95% of other male bodies, and with no female bodies whatsoever.
>I get the concern, but I think the distinction one makes in male beauty has to be a reflection on one self. My intent here is: the youthful but adult male form; being hairy, bulky muscular, etc. does not fit this idea.
So you want to fuck guys who are in the same "class" you, which is entirely normal, you want relationship with somebody who feels like an equal, a peer. In 40 years you won't mind old and wrinkled men, etc.
>All this sexualization is specifically the aspect I dislike.
I think that you're deluding yourself.

[Anonymous No.17930194]

>>17927455
Call Me By Your Name / Find Me

[Anonymous No.17930228]

>>17930140
I already explained it. Most people aren't very hot, and most people aren't writers. Also, the younger you are the less time you have to come into your own as a writer On top of that most boys are stupid or at least lack the mental depth and concentration to be a serious writer. They are more oriented toward the external world. Young people want to live life, not sit in the solitary contemplative misery that is common among writers.

I would argue it's more common to find young pretty poets than prose writers. Poetry is more suitable to the youthful who feel life more intensely and who lack the patience to sit and suffer over a 300 page novel while doing nothing else for two years straight.

[Anonymous No.17930270]

He's a bit too young in this pic but F Scott Fitzgerald was a cutie
How do you go from this...

[Anonymous No.17930280]

>>17930270
To this?
Answer: excessive alcohol abuse.

[Anonymous No.17930289]

Better comparison

[Anonymous No.17930297]

>>17930175
>So you want to fuck guys
no. I would never.
Don't make this about me but about the ability of appreciating youthful male beauty.
>Yet, you would not do that with 95% of other male bodies
but only because 95% of males are ugly. They lack in facial features, hair, natural physical strength and leanness or are simply too old or young.
Important is that who the guy is, what he does, how he socializes, how he has fun etc. all comes second. The first and completely separated element is his actual being. A sexual drive can't be present here yet. (To go to the extreme:) You can admire his cock but not anything sexual he can do with it. I am serious in the necessary application of this. A beautiful body, face, hair can be appreciated all for itself, for its own sake. I assume most guys cant fathom this because they are deeply unsatisfied with their physique and if not then always seek validation and admiration from outside and only consider their body in this exo-relation. Women fail to do this because they are simply not male.

After then as >>17929999 said do outside aspects come into play.
Who he is and everything does at some point finally emerge and this then includes sexual desire and sexualization of his body, but all this does not come first.

[Anonymous No.17930304]

>>17930280
The hair makes his head look like Frankenstein's. Horrible.

[Anonymous No.17930319]

>>17927455
I fucking love twinks. I wish to be able to write well about the things they do to me.

[Anonymous No.17930350]

>>17930280
it’s just the haircut that looks shitty, he’s fine

[Anonymous No.17930353]

>>17930280
Lynchian

[Anonymous No.17930370]

Beauty to me has an objective quality to it. Like, that guy in the first post is just objectively beautiful. It's just something that hits you, and you can't explain it away. You can react to it with pain, of course: ''why am i not beautiful like that, why are my days of youth past me, etc'' or you can simply enjoy it for what it is, a pure sensuous delight to behold. It's essential to gain confidence in yourself and your own value, however, before you can easily recognize and apreciate the beauty of your male brethren.

[Anonymous No.17930400]

>>17930370
>you can't explain it away.
You pretty much can though, the features that make him beautiful are quite obvious. We evolved to find these features beautiful. Or, if you think beauty is some metaphysical quality, then evolution took advantage of the fact that we perceive beauty.

[Anonymous No.17930410]

>>17930280
>>17930289
I hate how much my facial structure mirrors this dudes. I'm gonna die alone aren't I?

[Anonymous No.17930466]

>>17930400
Sure, and after you've determined and explained the features that make him beautiful, you'll continue to find him beautiful. The experience of beauty is not vanquished by reductionism, it can only be obscured and pushed into the unconcious by some kind of neurotic interference.

[Anonymous No.17930494]

>>17927455
dorian gray

[Anonymous No.17930534]

>>17930400
You can say "this piece of music is not beautiful" that doesnt make it not beautiful.

[Anonymous No.17930750]

>>17930297
>Don't make this about me but about the ability of appreciating youthful male beauty.
Appreciation does not come from nowhere.
>but only because 95% of males are ugly
And what about women? They're all ugly? Would you lay your hands on a woman's chest in pure admiration of her body?
I mainly disagree with you because your posts read like you're a closet homo who doesn't dare to admit his desires to himself. You're not really elucidating things. What you're trying to pin down is the completely functionless beauty, fine, yet your recognition of it appears only in relation to men - a sort of men which has been far from typical over the course of history, the twinky, hairless, muscleless sort that can appear only in relatively civilised places, and it has always been admired with undeniable sexual interest, in Greece as well as today.
Admiration of functionless and non-manmade beauty (which includes this supposed non-sexual male beauty (which reminds me a bit of Husserlian reduction) and excludes manmade artistic renditions of beautiful objects) arises most typically when we come across a beautiful landscape or a beautiful and colourful sunset. Yet, the moment that beauty is used within an artistic work, it needs additional motivation to affect the viewer, it cannot be mere non-intentional "pointing-out". In Vergil's Bucolica the landscape is inscribed with the human desire for peace and freedom, the romantics were obsessively projecting onto the landscape even moreso - so did Wordsworth, "lonely as a cloud", let his heart dance with the daffodils; so did Caspar David Friedrich's landscapes exude with the distinctly romanticist reading of nature and its connection to the human viewer of it, etc. etc. So, even if somehow you do pin down the "pure" male beauty, it will be again difficult (IMO impossible) to transpose it into art without including other elements of human thought and desire which will "contaminate" it.

[Anonymous No.17930751]

>>17930228
>Young people want to live life, not sit in the solitary contemplative misery that is common among writers.

This is what I originally implied by questioning why attractive youths should write to begin with. I wasn't objectifying them but asking why they would trade actual living versus the facsimile that is writing. Introspection is a poor substitute for actual life. After all, even in the unlikely scenario where you gain some degree of wisdom from all the introspection, you'll still have to live life and be someone. You'll be back where you started.\

As >>17930105 hinted at the only attractive male writers you'd get would be extra dysfunctional, enough to affect their natural advantages to the point where they start writing instead of directly living.

[Anonymous No.17930778]

>>17930410
What's wrong with it? He's above average looking when he's not JUSTing himself hair-wise.

[Anonymous No.17930901]

>>17930400
>Or, if you think beauty is some metaphysical quality, then evolution took advantage of the fact that we perceive beauty.

This just says something about the process about how humans came to perceive beauty, but tells us literally nothing about what beauty *is*

I don't think you realize how much you're opening the door to by saying this.

[Anonymous No.17930915]

>>17930140
Camus both exemplifies and answers your question

[Anonymous No.17930928]

>>17930751
I don't know too many youths who write period. It's a skill that takes time to ripen. You occasionally have your boy wonders like Rimbaud or Keats, both of whom were cute, but with literature youth and talent rarely correlate.

[Anonymous No.17930957]

>>17930928
Really? About 70% of the under-25s I meet at uni write in some way. Vast majority of them are shit, but the fact remains, it's almost become a hobby of those with no personality, like watching Netflix or liking dogs.

[Anonymous No.17930982]

>>17930901
The beauty of physical attractiveness is separable from other kinds of beauty. There is a tendency to think of beauty as an essence, but there are categories and subdivisions of it.

Nobody wants to fuck a painting or landscape. So is it the same kind of beauty as a hot person? One can also recognize personal beauty without the attraction element, but its attraction which gives it a magnetic allure rather than merely abstract appreciation.

I agree that there is something objective about a person's attractiveness. This is pithily explained by the reasoning that physical attractiveness is a proxy for reproductive fitness, health and genetic quality. It's basically a signal that says "I can make babies. And they will be healthy good babies who will also grow into someone who people will want to make hot babies with. "

An ugly blockhead doesn't signal the same message. There's a crude Darwinian logic to physical attractiveness and it doesn't strike me as at all profound.

As for more abstract beauty, such as that of a perfect starry sky, or the elegance of a mathematical proof, or the evocativeness of Shakespeare, that's a deeper mystery.

[Anonymous No.17930993]

>>17930928
>>17930957
The best years for writing are your 30s, 40s, and 50s. You are too busy screwing around and finding your place in the world in your late teens and 20s. When you're older, your life has mellowed out to the point where you're left no choice to become more introspective, plus you've actually got life experience under your belt with which to draw inspiration from, which many youths do not have.

[Anonymous No.17931005]

>>17930957
I mean they write, but are they writers? Going by a minimal definition anyone who sends a text message or shitposts online would be a writer. Hoe many of them would be writing if they weren't in college? Also, being at university gives you a biased sample. People who are in school are pre-selected to be disposed for a literate lifestyle. The rest of them are out chasing tail or are on tiktok or whatever.

[Anonymous No.17931006]

>>17930993
I don't disagree at all. I've met maybe one person who wasn't a garbage writer in their 20s. But if you want to be serious about writing in future it's probably good to have that training wheels period.

[Anonymous No.17931019]

>>17930993
According to Faulkner, “For fiction the best age is from thirty-five to forty-five. Your fire is not all used up and you know more. Fiction is slower. For poetry the best age is from seventeen to twenty-six. Poetry writing is more like a skyrocket with all your fire condensed into one rocket.”

[Anonymous No.17931030]

>>17927666
True.

[Anonymous No.17931090]

>>17930750
ok fine.
>I mainly disagree with you because your posts read like you're a closet homo who doesn't dare to admit his desires to himself.
I like guys. I know this. But I can never go beyond to kiss or nestle (schmiegen) our bodies against each others. But this was just to whitness his body beyond sight also through touch, taste and smell.
To kiss a guy's neck or stomach is a form of appreciation and worshipping of the instantiation of this beauty. The second the sexual drive comes in with guys it hits a wall; at which point it becomes evident a girl is necessary. The guy's body doesn't even have to be completely asexual (since that would obviously exclude a very essential aspect of his being). Seeing a friend of mine cum in his gf, I admit, was an incredible sight, but only because it was an expression of his physical beauty. The same way it would be to see his body exert itself during exercise, suffer under heat, or try and fight the cold.
I assume the husserlian interpretation of beauty is a development on Kant's aesthetics. I very much agree with his high admiration of nature and saying good art only imitates nature without fully trying to be nature and losing the aspect of being art. It is in this sense of writing about beauty I could neevr obviously reach it but mimick it through prose.
The same way Kant writes about the good soul leaving the social circles and instead wandering out into nature to admire her, the greatest artist of all, that way I think to see a guy's beauty. I leave all the social (sozius) and am left a body empty of desire placed infront of a natural beauty to which I only find awe. My own interference would ruin the beauty. So i spoil it as little as I must to whitness it.
What good does my sexual drive do in all this? My existence is irrelevant for this beauty to be, and it is this beauty that is all I care to admire.

[Anonymous No.17931140]

>>17929737
Lifting takes like 6 hours a week max you retard. Probably as much time as you spend fapping

[Anonymous No.17931145]

>>17929320
>be beautiful
>live life like an absolute bum
>people still love you

not fair

[Anonymous No.17931200]

>>17931090
>Seeing a friend of mine cum in his gf, I admit, was an incredible sight, but only because it was an expression of his physical beauty. The same way it would be to see his body exert itself during exercise, suffer under heat, or try and fight the cold.
Take the sadomasochismpill aka the Sebastianpill. It's how all the based gay authors indulge in male beauty but without sullying it with carnal lust. Also why were you watching your friend cum in his gf? Sounds weird bro.

[Anonymous No.17931203]

>>17931090
>Seeing a friend of mine cum in his gf, I admit, was an incredible sight, but only because it was an expression of his physical beauty.
Not only are you gay but ALSO a voyeuristic cuck. Rethink your life.

[Anonymous No.17931225]

>>17929320
In my late teens I started to notice I was budding into an attractive youth and this kind of aura I had in certain places and situations, the mires and everything, though I was a repressed faggot so missed a lot of early opportunities to capitalize on my good looks and mostly inflated my ego by pulling chicks in college then making up excuses for when they invited me back to their place. I find the whole experience achingly tragic and beautiful.

[Anonymous No.17931252]

Symposium by Plato.

[Anonymous No.17931266]

Lovers' Legends: The Gay Greek Myths by Andrew Calimach

[Anonymous No.17931319]

>>17931203
>>17931200
> Also why were you watching your friend cum in his gf? Sounds weird bro.
It was during a relatively small halloween orgy some 2 years ago.
Frankly if you want to say it then he was the cuck since the two were in an open relationship and he was not the only one she was with that night.

[Anonymous No.17931342]

>>17931225
>then making up excuses for when they invited me back to their place
kek was it situation dependant or did you have a go to line?
I usually hinted in questions to not being interested in girls, since every girl thinks that a guy who wont sleep with them after they had put in the effort must obviously be gay anyways.

[Anonymous No.17931349]

>>17931319
>fag
>goes to orgies
>hangs out with swingers
Let me repeat: rethink your life

[Anonymous No.17931353]

>>17931019
That makes sense to me but the thing everyone ignores is that 1) the best fiction writers start out writing poetry and 2) the best fiction writers start writing when they’re young and just don’t write anything good until they’re in their 20s or 30s.

[Anonymous No.17931407]

>>17929320
>I am tempted to write about it myself, all from the point of view of a narcassist in love with his own beauty.
Nobody wants to read that. There’s your problem.

[Anonymous No.17931413]

>>17929498
Name one novel, besides Confession of a Mask, where Mishima revels in male beauty and sensuality.

[Anonymous No.17931415]

>>17931353
Yeah I mean but nobody's saying just because you're a certain age you'll be better or worse at it. The way I see it, fiction is the distillation of experience while poetry that of feeling. Everyone has the same access to feeling at any age, and if anything in youth there is an overwhelming intensity of feeling as it is breaking through for the first time. In terms of experience its strictly quantitative and the older the more of it you have, so age naturally lends itself to long form fiction.

And nobody's denying that many or most good writers have had a lifelong interest in it and put years into a self-imposed apprenticeship before they became recognizably good.
Speaking of Faulkner write on cue he started producing some of his best work in his 30s, although he was noticeably talented and had his first short story published when he was 22.

[Anonymous No.17931416]

>>17931342
If they wanted to fuck me after a party I usually just met them halfway. I'd say I had something to get up for the next morning and we'd exchange numbers. Some got the hint pretty quickly, others thought they had a chance. I felt quite bad actually because one girl fell in love with me and I led her on and at that point I just decided to bee myself and she understood even if she was upset and from that moment on I've just been banging twinks, life is good

[Anonymous No.17931432]

Kek I love how the fags on this board try to write long literary paragraphs about the most trite shit, making the most basic points. This discussion is pathetic and this thread is gay

[Anonymous No.17931438]

>>17931432
Who cares, homos are aesthetes, let them have their fun

[Anonymous No.17931461]

>>17931432

[Anonymous No.17931583]

>>17931461
Who says that anon doesn't like the idea of male beauty subconsciously? He might be struggling with an inner conflict that expresses itself in puerile abuse

[Anonymous No.17931661]

>>17927455
Theognis, Ibycus, Pindar, Plato, Bion, Meleager, Theocritus, Catullus, Virgil, Tibullus, Horace, Martial, Strato, Philostratus, Maternus, Nemesianus, Ausonius, Alcuin, Abu Nuwas, Al-Jahiz, Baudri of Bourgeuil, Serios of Wilton, Marlowe, Barnfield, Shakespeare, Michelangelo, the list goes on

[Anonymous No.17931671]

>>17927455
Idk if anyone said this already but Death in Venice

[Anonymous No.17931702]

>>17931583
He's obviously compensating for something. He's right about one thing though, this thread is pretty gay.

[Anonymous No.17931716]

>>17930982
but the introduction of the sexual attractiveness is in addition to beauty, not instead of it. For one people can tell physical beauty in people they aren't sexually attracted to (asexuals, straight women looking at other women, gay men looking at women, etc.). But it goes even deeper than that: the peacocks beautiful display exists teleologically to be sexually attractive to female peacocks, but why is it beautiful to us? I feel safe saying most people don't want to fuck peacocks, yet we can see the beauty of their physical form. Same goes for bird songs, certain mating dances, flowers, and really any living thing if you spend enough time looking for it

> This is pithily explained by the reasoning that physical attractiveness is a proxy for reproductive fitness, health and genetic quality. It's basically a signal that says "I can make babies. And they will be healthy good babies who will also grow into someone who people will want to make hot babies with. "

again, you're admitting a lot here that goes unexamined. Why is beauty an indicator of genetic fitness? Why does beauty (which you admit has an objective element) indicate important information about an organisms health? Why is there a relationship between health and beauty? What is the mechanism creating this signal?

Sure there's a difference between aesthetic appreciation and sexual attraction, but it seems obvious to me that there's a good deal of overlap. Schopenhauer made a big deal about the distinction, but he recognized that they still had something to do with each other

[Anonymous No.17931720]

I've been straight all my life, how come once I turned 30 I started getting turned on by smooth petite males?

[Anonymous No.17931808]

>>17931720
You've been crushed into submission by a society that wants femininity to be the only "virtue" and masculinity extinguished. It's the same thing with people who lift for lookism purposes and getting laid rather than for Strength, Health or deeper convictions. They view beauty as the highest currency and discard everything else. The fact that you're 30 and regressed to a similar type of thinking shows that you're an incredibly weak soul and should either swifty turn yourself around or kys and reroll.

[Anonymous No.17931819]

>>17931702
You're only figuring that out now?

[Anonymous No.17931826]

>>17931808
Start with the Greejs

[Anonymous No.17931835]

>>17931720
I wish that blond twink was straight. He has such gorgeous genes. Look at that hair. Maybe he has a sibling who will marry a white man and pass them on. You guys have no idea how painful it is to be a nordicist attracted to men. I would never dare to touch him for fear that I may contribute to his being a genetic dead end. Instead, I'll just replay this clip over and over and maybe cry later.

[Anonymous No.17931851]

>>17931090
(I'm the anon who has been responding to you. At this point I've started to lose the thread and will just write some of my own opinions on this.)
>I like guys. I know this. But I can never go beyond to kiss or nestle (schmiegen) our bodies against each others. But this was just to whitness his body beyond sight also through touch, taste and smell.
As far as my sexual experiences go, this was a large part of what I did with my (only) boyfriend. Occasionally I kissed him on his forehead, he'd giggle at that but would be fine with it. Sometime later I saw people online commenting that kissing the forehead is bizarre and even kind of inappropriate in a romantic relationship, since that's how mothers kiss their children. I was quite shocked while reading those comments. A romantic relationship does not have to be reduced either to the purely sexual aspect (where even the things such as "performance" come into play) or to your hyper-platonic conception that. What your thinking is doing is what an another anon itt criticised - objectifying the beautiful person. Admiring the other while pretending you don't exist is denial of your own power to do good towards the person (due to your fear of doing bad, i.e. entertaining the blunt carnality). Yet, what good is this admiration if you do not dare affect the admired person as such at all? Sexuality might be considered a sort of an excuse, a part of the motivation for doing good towards the person. As the two lovers connect, affirming each other's being, they will also necessarily include sexuality in the relationship as an area designated for intimacy and great pleasure - which isn't just an abstract meaningless drive, but something that is built through giving significance to the person first. (In fact, it's not even far from what you term as witnessing the body, just in a more active manner.) Though the modern culture has turned a good part of sexuality into a market of goods, sex as a part of romance in a serious person's life will still mean a lot, and will not spoil but multiply the meaning of a relationship.
The external, uninvolved viewing is best left for actually impartial objects - the nature, animals, etc. I might be gay and I still can find a woman beautiful, but who gives a shit about that? I cannot sincerely offer a woman something that I can offer to a man.

[Anonymous No.17931854]

>>17931720
that's perfectly normal. are you really that unfamiliar with the romans and greeks?

[Anonymous No.17931860]

>>17931720
I like softer males but I don’t like twinks who look like Auschwitz victims with AIDS. I don’t get the twink aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.17931872]

>>17931860
probably because you're an actual homo

[Anonymous No.17931887]

>>17931854
wait, is he gay? I knew ezra was something not straight but not the other actor.

[Anonymous No.17931900]

>>17931826
The Greeks don't advise being lustful. The Greeks just proved once again that Men are better than women in every conceivable way and that can sometimes include being sexy

[Anonymous No.17931907]

>>17931720
Can you link the source for this or at least give us the names?

[Anonymous No.17931914]

>>17931887
he is straight, even has a sex tape fucking woman

there's literally nothing gay about unloading on an effeminate sissyboy

[Anonymous No.17931917]

>>17927455
My collected /lit/ posts: vols I-VIII (IX in editing)

[Anonymous No.17931921]

Spring Snow

[Anonymous No.17931924]

>>17931887
It's an open secret Farrell fucked Jared Leto during the filming of Alexander.

[Anonymous No.17931937]

>>17930901
>I don't think you realize how much you're opening the door to by saying this.
No I realize, the door-opening was intentional

[Anonymous No.17931942]

[Anonymous No.17931952]

>>17931942
nonce

[Anonymous No.17931960]

>>17931942
Dude, that's a kid. Don't fucking post a child in a thread like this, you fucking degenerate.

[Anonymous No.17931972]

>>17931720
Guys, I REALLY need to know who the blond one is

[Anonymous No.17931978]

>>17931972
It's me, obviously

[Anonymous No.17931989]

>>17931978
That is almost certainly not true but if it is, please donate to a sperm bank and also where can I look at more pictures of you but not pornographic ones because I'm not a degenerate?

[Anonymous No.17931990]

>>17929951
Also, brown hair is inferior to blonde and you can’t date brunettes

[Anonymous No.17931994]

>>17931952
>>17931960
wtf sorry I thought this thread was about platonic beauty as in purity and aesthetic form, not sexual shit

serves me right for posting before reading the thread

[Anonymous No.17932004]

>>17931942
>>17931994
Lmaoooooo

[Anonymous No.17932006]

>>17931994

[Anonymous No.17932009]

>>17931989
It is not, sadly. Sorry!

[Anonymous No.17932018]

[Anonymous No.17932019]

>>17932009
Ok, well, if anyone knows I would really appreciate it. I've tried reverse image searching screenshots of his face and it hasn't turned up anything. He's so beautiful.

[Anonymous No.17932027]

>>17932018
I'm gay but I think it's 2

[Anonymous No.17932033]

>>17932018
7

[Anonymous No.17932038]

>>17932027
I'm gay but it's 1

[Anonymous No.17932039]

>>17932018
tell the answer, google reverse search is of no use

[Anonymous No.17932053]

>>17932033
>>17932039
4, Michelle Visage

>>17932027
you need your gay card revoked

[Anonymous No.17932054]

>>17932018
The joke is that they’re all drag pervs? 2 or 4 if one of them is a woman

[Anonymous No.17932206]

I wrote a series of poems years ago on just this topic while on vacation and scoping out boys on the beach. I'm trying to track them down to post them here because they were actually quite good but I don't know where I have them saved.

Each poem had a different theme. One was about two college wrestlers, and the strange bond they shared as they struggled against each other.
Another one was basically about blonds.
Another was about the California surfer type.
Another was about shy bookish artsy types.

It was basically an ode to twinks in all their varieties. This was before I eventually got involved with some of them and realized how disappointing and terrible they all are.

[Anonymous No.17932217]

>>17932206
Super gay bro

[Anonymous No.17932221]

>>17932206
post em

[Anonymous No.17932229]

>>17932018
either 1 or 2, leaning towards 2

[Anonymous No.17932230]

>>17927455
is he supossed to be hot. i see hotter guys on the street every single day lmao. this dude looks gay

[Anonymous No.17932274]

>>17931942

[Anonymous No.17932285]

>>17930289
he wasnt hot to begin with ur just confusing good skin and other features of youth with true aesthetics. u either have it or u dont. yes you can ruin good aesthetics with a shit lifestyle but you cant make good aesthetics with a good lifestyle. sucks but that is the truth.

[Anonymous No.17932300]

>>17932230
Where do you live? I want to move there

[Anonymous No.17932564]

>>17931720
His tongue looks so soft

[Anonymous No.17932646]

>>17929210
He is still handsome

[Anonymous No.17932657]

>>17931942
what exactly is uspposed to be wrong with this?

[Anonymous No.17932660]

>>17931720
I bet I've watched this 100 times now. Please, does anyone know what the blond's name is?

[Anonymous No.17932689]

>>17932221
I want to! Where the fuck did they go!

[Anonymous No.17932717]

>>17932657
Literal child grooming

[Anonymous No.17932740]

>>17932230
Cope at levels never seen before

[Anonymous No.17932753]

>Ctrl+F "Homer"
>0/0
this board is shit and you should be ashamed of yourselves

[Anonymous No.17932762]

>>17932717
kek

[Anonymous No.17932763]

>>17932753
>that 30 year old Hoomer

get a life

[Anonymous No.17932764]

>>17932753
>Homer
Literally nothing but goreporn

[Anonymous No.17932766]

>>17932753
Post a verse where Homer describes male beauty

[Anonymous No.17932952]

>>17927455
My diary desu

[Anonymous No.17932997]

>>17932952
That person is not attractive. He just has his hair done well and is being photographed professionally.

[Anonymous No.17933023]

Why is there so little male nudity in art nowadays? Why are women incapable of understanding male beauty?

[Anonymous No.17933027]

>>17932997
Wtf are you on, he cute

[Anonymous No.17933041]

>>17932018
It’s Michelle Visage lol number 4. I only recognize Adore, Roxxy, and maybe Courtney Act?

[Anonymous No.17933045]

>>17933023
We live in a gynocracy. Only females are celebrated, males are constantly demoralized.

[Anonymous No.17933115]

We should revive the phallic cult

[Anonymous No.17933161]

>>17931851
Those people are autistic. I've kissed everyone I've been romantic with on the forehead.

[Anonymous No.17933286]

>>17931720
He's so beautiful. Who is he?

[Anonymous No.17933324]

Are men really supposed to be handsome from an evolutionary point of view?

Do handsome men have feminine features? Does that mean that feminine beauty is the only and true beauty?

[Anonymous No.17933356]

>>17933324
There are traits that are beautiful in both men and women. For instance, I like soft skin, suppleness, etc. on men, but I don't think of that as being in itself feminine. And I find that most of the guys posted in this thread don't do anything for me, precisely because they are effeminate -- have very skinny limbs, cock their hips, employ lots of artifice, consciously advertise of their "prettiness".

[Anonymous No.17933431]

>>17933324
Not at all. True connoisseurs of male beauty appreciate the sculpted high-T Chad along with gender neutral features that suggest an abundance of health and prime reproductive potential in any individual as >>17933356 put it. I said it previously in this thread but pederasts have horribly polluted the discourse on male beauty. They don't love maleness, they love artifice and neoteny.

[Anonymous No.17933442]

Twink ass is quite nice. Every guy should try it at least once in their lives.

[Anonymous No.17933465]

>>17933431
I don't think the twink lovers resemble the Greek pederasty of, say, Pindar, who celebrates ephebes fresh from the wrestling ring or the runner's race.

[Anonymous No.17933477]

>>17929320
Dorian Gray?

[Anonymous No.17933896]

Bronze Age Mindset by Bronze Age Pervert

[Anonymous No.17933898]

>>17932206
Terrible in what way tho?

[Anonymous No.17933913]

>>17932206
Please post these when you find them anon

[Anonymous No.17934418]

>>17927455
Start with the Greeks

[Anonymous No.17934474]

>>17931413
Exactly. This classification of Mishima as gaylit doesn't really make much sense if you've actually sit and read his work besides Confessions. Most of his books describe male and female beauty on *at least* equal terms. Of course, his ideas about strength and purity against intellectuallism are related to what he describes in Confessions ("a sign of intelligence ruins the illusion of male beauty") and, in the case of male characters, that manifests as admiration (see Thirst for Love, Runaway Horses), but mostly superficially.

[Anonymous No.17934509]

>>17927455
I think that even if I looked like him I'd consider myself ugly

[Anonymous No.17934523]

>>17934474
Read his short stories and plays. + Forbidden Colours.

[Anonymous No.17934955]

>>17931720
the other guy looks like nick fuentes

[Anonymous No.17934969]

>>17931140
Less. A solid 5x5 program with extensions takes like 4 hours a week.

[Anonymous No.17934981]

>OP asks for gay literature
>it turns into a pederast circle jerk with coomer pics
And this is why there is no good gay literature.

[Anonymous No.17935009]

>>17934981
As >>17929320 said, most gaylit is written by pederasts or are fanfics penned by women remapping heterosexual relationships onto two guys and always missing the mark.

This thread just confirmed what everybody knew anyway. /lit/ is full of fags worshipping Mishima

[Anonymous No.17935112]

>>17934981
>>17935009
Seething

[Anonymous No.17935124]

>>17930410
Hi Jack

[Anonymous No.17935162]

>>17935112
nonce

[Anonymous No.17935174]

>>17935112
Disgusting

[Anonymous No.17935200]

>>17935162
Cope faggot, I'm 23 and bisexual. Only fags think men remain attractive to other men in their 30s and beyond.
Femboys and traps are to be drilled when they are 15-25, after them they lose their looks and we bisexuals lose interest.

[Anonymous No.17935226]

>>17931851
>in the relationship as an area designated for intimacy and great pleasure - which isn't just an abstract meaningless drive, but something that is built through giving significance to the person first. (In fact, it's not even far from what you term as witnessing the body, just in a more active manner.)
This thread has devolved way too far into the aspects of "male beauty" that I despise...
but I enjoyed reading your post.
I still remain staunchly against sexualizing a male youth (especially in the pederast manner).

[Anonymous No.17935265]

>>17935200
>Only fags think men remain attractive to other men in their 30s and beyond.
Anon, most older fags are obsessed with youth just like you are. Plus femboys and traps are going to be into 30+ anyway since that's the demographic they usually appeal to.

[Anonymous No.17935289]

>>17927455
TRUE FACT: your desire for a twink boyfriend is just your subconcious paternal desire to have a beautiful healthy son, realized through your turbo-desperate prison gay mindset

[Anonymous No.17935303]

>>17935265
Yeah yeah yeah, whatever. Both men and women have an expiration date after which they slowly stop being attractive. There's plenty of old fag couples around thought, yikes.

[Anonymous No.17935323]

>>17934969
>doubt.jpg
if you can do your 5x5 compounds in less than an hour, you're half assing it

[Anonymous No.17935326]

>>17935200
t. virgin

[Anonymous No.17935368]

>>17935200
We're talking about male beauty here, not traps. You're right that youth is most attractive, but to even call the guy you posted "boyish" is a bit too flattering since he looks like a girl. You are probably straight and had a bad relationship with your ex-gf that has turned you off girls for now.

[Anonymous No.17935372]

>>17935112
Am I gay for wanting to fuck the shit out of that twink?

[Anonymous No.17935390]

>>17935368
This.
Turning a dude into a girl and pretending you are admiring male beauty is fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.17935455]

>>17935112
>>17935372
I'm pretty sure that's a girl.

[Anonymous No.17935549]

>>17929918
>If you lift only for your appearance, you're going to have a hard time of it anyway
Tell that to Zyzz and Arnold

[Anonymous No.17935580]

>>17935549
>Zyzz
LMAO. That faggot dies at 22 in a sauna.

[Anonymous No.17935605]

>>17931720
He's an insane troon now and I am murderously resentfully jealous.

[Anonymous No.17935646]

>>17935605
Who is he?

[Anonymous No.17935797]

>>17935646
rosiekawaii on twitter

[Anonymous No.17935960]

>>17935605
>>17935797
THEY CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

[Anonymous No.17936015]

>>17927455
With an outfit like that he's kinda disqualified

[Anonymous No.17936237]

>>17927455
Glamorama by Bret Easton Ellis

[Anonymous No.17936490]

>>17935112
they must be afab, no?

[Anonymous No.17936510]

>>17935605
Saw that one coming

[Anonymous No.17936583]

>>17935797
Thank you, anon. I'm glad he has his sfw account linked. I don't want to look at lewd images. I'm against porn and think pornographers should be hanged. I just want to see his pretty face. It saddens me that he's trans now but it was unlikely that he was going to reproduce anyways. Does anyone know if he at least has siblings with children? Why would someone waste such wonderful genes?

[Anonymous No.17936665]

>>17936583
>unlikely that he was going to reproduce
Just unlikely?

[Anonymous No.17936838]

>>17936583
>waste

whats wasted? seems like the dream to me

[Anonymous No.17936852]

>>17936665
He could donate to a sperm bank or use a surrogate

>>17936838
He should pass on his genes. Beautiful people need to reproduce and outbreed ugly people.

[Anonymous No.17937091]

>>17936838
He is cute now but won't be in a decade. Femboys and gay twinks typically don't age well.

[Anonymous No.17937156]

>>17931854
I love that whore so much

[Anonymous No.17937167]

>>17937091
They age well if they troon out
HRT is the solution to gay death

[Anonymous No.17937436]

>>17937091
Actually he probably will, saying he won't is just cope. Beautiful people tend to age well and by the time they are too old they will have no interest in sex anyway.

>>17937167
This, i'm gonna troon out, fuck it.

[Anonymous No.17937629]

>>17937167
>>17937436
You'll 41% when you turn 30

[Anonymous No.17937774]

>>17937156
>those hips
Please post hot manly men if you're going to post anything at all.

[Anonymous No.17937975]

>>17932019
He's a tranny. I forgot their Twitter name but all he posts is porn

[Anonymous No.17937994]

>>17933041
Roxxy is not in that photo from 5 onward its. Valentina, Naomi Smalls, April Carrington, Adore and Miss Fame

[Anonymous No.17938018]

>>17937774
That's cool if you're gay and attracted to "manly men" but I'm not and only like effeminate faggots like that

[Anonymous No.17938120]

>>17937994
Well, somebody already done did have theirses.

[Anonymous No.17938166]

>>17936583
he is not trans and I think he quit porn recently
>>17937436
>>17937167
bullshit you'll just end up looking like an old man with tits

[Anonymous No.17938171]

>>17927666

Based satan

[Anonymous No.17938411]

>>17937994
>April Carrington
>Carrington
lmao

[Anonymous No.17938868]

>>17938411
Why does Carrington sound so familiar ??

[Anonymous No.17939087]

>>17938166
I'm very glad to hear this. That's wonderful.

[Anonymous No.17939301]

>read Death in Venice because you people memed me into it
>realize that my mental image of Aschenbach is more beautiful than my mental image of Tadzio
What does this mean?

[Anonymous No.17940079]

>>17938166
He literally just posted a video of his ass hole yesterday though.

[Anonymous No.17940137]

>>17933324
Beauty is not evolutionary
Beauty is not “real” or false either
Beauty is a product of consciousness
Consciousness (probably) exists despite (or even in spite of) our evolution.

[Anonymous No.17940150]

>>17927455
The Immoralist - André Gide

[Anonymous No.17940477]

>>17935797
as a straight guy it really turns me on when a sissyfaggot as a bigger cock than me

[Anonymous No.17940602]

>>17938166
Are you sure he's not trans or that he quit porn? The twitter account is still filled with porn, says hes one of the top onlyfans accounts, and both on twitter and instagram he talks about taking hormones. I think we lost this one, fellas.

>>17940477
>as a straight guy
Hmmm

[Anonymous No.17941314]

>>17940602
These days "straight guy" on 4chan just means "(mostly) top guy".

[Anonymous No.17942666]

>>17927469
I don't like the obvious guro fetishisms when he goes into erotic descriptions of muscular guys. It makes me fucking uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.17942695]

>>17932018
Women are a fucking meme

[Anonymous No.17942706]

I just finished Forbidden Colors after reading Confessions of a mask, what other gay Mishima or gaylit in general should I move on to?

[Anonymous No.17942729]

>>17931860
Twinks are cute in clothes, but when you get them home and take off their kit, their bodies look like Mr. Burns's. A really boney twink feels like you're fucking a bag of horseshoes.

[Anonymous No.17942738]

>>17937774
Ok.

[Anonymous No.17942748]

>>17931854
Kek that vid is like watching Hadrian and Antinous in live action

[Anonymous No.17942751]

God I love men bros. Fuck yeah patriarchy.

[Anonymous No.17942759]

>>17942748
they're so cute in the movie together

[Anonymous No.17942781]

>>17933023
this guy is feeling the ecstacy that young women feel. in knowing youre pretty, knowing youre like a rare and desired object, feeling like youre something to be protected.

[Anonymous No.17942786]

>>17927455
My diary desu

[Anonymous No.17942794]

>>17928926
Moritz Hau

[Anonymous No.17942801]

>>17942738
>>17942751
Based and chadpilled

[Anonymous No.17942816]

>>17935323
I just started with weights a month ago after doing bodyweight for a year. And have been worried about this. All my sessions so far haven't taken more than 45 minutes. But it's like, 5x5 squat, then bench, then ohp. That's it, it doesn't take that long. How am I supposed to be doing it? How could it be stretched out to take longer? Longer rests? I always feel stupid during rests.

[Anonymous No.17942832]

>>17942786
That's nice, very nice; whomst is this Antinoüs?

[Anonymous No.17942884]

>>17927455
Start with the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.17942934]

>>17942816
It's less about the speed and intensity and more about the form.
As long as you're using proper form, how long you workout for is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.17942942]

>tfw skinnyfat skelly
>tfw could burn fat to be a defined skelly
>but want to bulk up to stop being skelly

life is suffering bros

[Anonymous No.17942951]

>>17935112
Thats's a tomboy, to.

[Anonymous No.17942979]

>>17942942
/fitlit/fag here, cut to desired body fat or until the lower stomach fat is gone and you can start to see the lower abs, then lift and eat clean so it's easier to cut after your bulk.

[Anonymous No.17943038]

>>17937629
I'll kms anyway, if I can't have this then there is no point in living.

[Anonymous No.17943267]

dfw on Roger Federer can be read as such

[Anonymous No.17943513]

Male beauty is a roughed mans muscles flexing, sweat draining down his skin as he is working the fields or cutting wood. Or the rage and that fuels him in a struggle for life. Or an adolescent cultivating his body through sports.
Its not teenaged "twinks" who look like girls because they are rich and spoiled. You are a bunch of disgusting coomers with no taste and should off yourselves.

[Anonymous No.17943522]

>>17943513
Gayest thing I ever read and in gay myself....

[Anonymous No.17943605]

>>17943522
I love men and I love them more than **men, so I hate those disgusting, groomed teenagers who act like girls and the disgusting filth lusting after them.

[Anonymous No.17943696]

>>17927455
Brolita

[Anonymous No.17943826]

>>17927455
No such thing. It's merely health. Men are worthless, a race characterized by its vulnerability for and need to be parasitized.

[Anonymous No.17943827]

>>17943513
>>17943605
Pretty much this, anon. It's almost as if homosexuals in the truest sense are a dying breed nowadays. Masculinity has been extinguished so much that even gay men are left lusting after effete twinks. Rather than propose a "separate but equal" model the gay rights movement/feminists from the 60s onwards insisted that equality meant same - gay marriage, child adoption, etc. This was done in direct retaliation towards Christianity and the "status quo" while at the same time they were the heteronormative/traditionalists for holding marriage and all the rest of it in such high regard.

I don't suggest we move towards fucking buff dudes in S&M bars again (and AIDS killed off that part of gay life to a degree); I much preferred the way of the Greeks where homos loved other men for being men (regardless of age obviously).

[Anonymous No.17943842]

>>17943513
>Slavery and being parasitized is beautiful
>Freedom is slavery
Good luck with that. Feminine form is art; "masculine form" aka. form given by the machiavellian gender, is a form of utility, a form given to tools. It's not valuable in and of itself.
A vista is more valuable than the form of the greatest men.

[Anonymous No.17943874]

>>17933324
>Do handsome men have feminine features?
Yes. "Feminine form" as you call it, is the form of beauty. "Masculine form" as you call it, is the form caused by sabotage.

[Anonymous No.17944316]

>>17927455
The City and the Pillar

[Anonymous No.17945716]

>>17943827
>I much preferred the way of the Greeks where homos loved other men for being men (regardless of age obviously).
Yeah, this is a wisdom that was lost unfortunately.
Pre historic mass graves have one thing in common: they were full of males, men and their sons. But there is always a noticeable lack of female skeletons. That is because women were just kidnapped for breeding and could live their lives on with another man. A man has to struggle for his live and is bound to his community for his survival, however a womans survival instincts are completely opposite to this. A woman is opportunistic and will follow whoever offers her what she wants. Women have no concept of community, loyalty, honor; it is completely alien to them because those are not the women who survived evolution.
Its is ironic, because the primitive man is the one who is independent of his tribe, who can just walk away and survive on his own as a lonely hunter with the possibility of founding another tribe. The primitive woman however is bound to her tribe and its protection. But as the war for resources came about, man suddenly saw himself dependent on his tribe, he had to guide it for his own benefit. Without it, he was doomed, but a woman could always just go to another tribe, since child bearing is a time and resource intensive process, they suddenly found themselves in a privileged position that was moreover protected by men. So instinctual, a woman sees herself connected to her tribe, but civilization at the same time freed her from this obligation. Its this discrepancy why women gossip, lie and cheat; they are in a constant process of sabotaging society but never do so outright.
Your platonic love will be with you through good and bad and sometimes to the death, a woman will betray you when seeing that your ship is sinking, "because of the kids" "you changed" however she wants to rationalize it.

Men struggle, they fight, they fear, they hate; its what makes them so beautiful and its why I have no interest in stupid children and "feminine" "men", who live the worst part of mans nature as well as the worst parts of womans nature. They want to use your lowest instincts to lure you into the trap, its demonic.

[Anonymous No.17945839]

>>17942786
Please source. I would worship his phallus

[Anonymous No.17945889]

Adoring the phallus is one of the neatest pleasures you'll ever have

[Anonymous No.17946124]

>>17945889
The phallus is a magnificent organ, true - but in our oversexualized society we must not lose sight of the beauty in non-sexual parts of the body. A man's calloused hands or his neck are just as worthy of worship.

[Anonymous No.17946356]

>>17931835
Anon... I wish you the best in living by your principles, iktf - in some cruel variation

[Anonymous No.17946743]

>>17945716
A wisdom that was lost that could've meant separate but equal today except christianity ruined all of that and braindead fags still see equality through this lens. It's no coincidence that they ignore the great feats of Greek homos conquering territory together for their "problematic" treatment of women no doubt

[Anonymous No.17947614]

>>17946356
I wish you the best too, anon. It can be painful but what's right is right.

[Anonymous No.17947659]

>>17943827
>I much preferred the way of the Greeks where homos loved other men for being men
Yeah but they didn’t like grotesque looking bodybuilder roid shit that some fags think “men” are supposed to look like. The median my friends the median.

[Anonymous No.17947809]

>>17931720
It's called being based

[Anonymous No.17947827]

>>17942786
Do Tennessee guys really look like THAT?

[Anonymous No.17948281]

Male beauty is so kino

[Anonymous No.17948595]

shit shit shit test

[Anonymous No.17948603]

>>17948281

[Anonymous No.17949916]

>>17930297
I understand this completely.

[Anonymous No.17949965]

>>17947659
Indeed. No roids and conversely no puberty blockers or feminizing shit either.

[Anonymous No.17950476]

>>17929809
Imagine being this fucked deluded. Kek

[Anonymous No.17950726]

test again

[Anonymous No.17951113]

>>17931720
Your pulsion to male other men submit is out of control.
In a society where you cant enslave and kill other males the only venue to satisfy that compulsion is to fuck twinks.

[Anonymous No.17951304]

>>17951113
Interesting perspective

[Anonymous No.17951954]

[Anonymous No.17952174]

Okay, I get all the rage with being physically good looking but can someone explain what the fuck the point of dressing fashionably is? I keep trying to look up reasons why one should dress a specific way but short of attracting women, I cannot find a single reason why I shouldn't just wear track suits and army fleeces because pure /comfy/. On that note, what even is fashion, is there any literature that defines it and its purpose?

[Anonymous No.17952284]

>>17952174
People like to look good because it feels good.

[Anonymous No.17952287]

>>17952174
>>>/fa/