/lang/ - Language Learning General

[Anonymous No.17926742]

Sister Thread: >>>/int/lang

>What language(s) are you learning?
>Share language learning experiences!
>Ask questions about your target language!
>Help people who want to learn a new language!
>Participate in translation challenges or make your own!
>Discuss what books you want to read in your target language and why!
>Discuss the literature of different languages!
>Make frens!

Some resources (most of these are mediocre but still a better place to start than duolingo)
Read this shit some damn time:
https://4chanint.fandom.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

>Totally not a virus, but rather, lots of free books on languages:
https://mega.nz/#F!x4VG3DRL!lqecF4q2ywojGLE0O8cu4A

>Lots of books on linguistics of various kinds, as well as language courses:
https://mega.nz/#F!Ad8DkLoI!jj_mdUDX_ay-8D9l3-DbnQ

>Check this pastebin for plenty of language resources as well as some nice image guides:
https://pastebin.com/ACEmVqua

>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30 plus languages:
https://yuki.la/t/796928

>List of trackers for most language learning packs:
https://files.catbox.moe/nmrn8x.txt

>Ukrainianon's list of commercial courses from rutracker.org:
https://pastebin.com/3EWMhSPN

>Russianon's list of comprehensible input resources:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXd0V32TjCFsr1-F_en_lA4MI-i7JtyYf26cWLtPRec

Previous thread: >>>17868867

[Anonymous No.17926751]

How do you bridge the gap from knowing basic Chinese grammar and vocabulary to actually being able to read things?
I've tried a few webnovels (up to chapter 11 of Reverend Insanity) but I have to look up 90% of the words and I feel absolutely lost

[Anonymous No.17926754]

>>>17902506
>The FSI, which trains American diplomats, estimates it takes about 2200hours to reach basic fluency in the most difficult category of languages,
No. The infograph you see actually indicates class time. If you look at the FSI's own publications and observations, you're supposed to double it with self study time, so it really takes about 4k h.

>people taking their courses usually already know at least one foreign language
No they don't, at least nowhere near really fluent. Most FSIs barely took a second language like spanish seriously in school.

[Anonymous No.17926759]

>>17926742
Don't learn a language like a faggot, create your own.

rurru jujubuld'vhurrunguzu

[Anonymous No.17926806]

>>17926742
That infographic...

Germany is in Europe East for some reason, while Austria is in Europe West? Belgium in Europe East? Serbia in Europe West?!

Also Switzerland has millions of German speakers, not 700k. Austria 8M population was completely disregarded, but Poland's 500k speakers included?

This is just a language I'm familiar with, but it doesn't give me much confidence for the rest of the data.

[Anonymous No.17926945]

i think i scared off my chinese pen pal by ranting about calvinism and free will

>>17926751
never

[Anonymous No.17926976]

>>17926742
Shit chart when only Chinese gets to be a macro language.

[Anonymous No.17927016]

What are the different kinds of FSI courses like? FAST, Basic, etc?

[Anonymous No.17927234]

Is the fluent in 3 months guy really a fraud? How bad is his book compared to duolingo?

[Anonymous No.17927959]

>>17927234
I'd be wary of any claims of fluency in 3 months, just as I'd be wary of any other "shortcuts."

[Anonymous No.17928610]

Is there a good intro to Latin poetry for absolute dummies? I was making great progress through LLPSI until I got to the poetry at the end and came to a screeching halt. The grammar is only a little more complicated, but I can't figure out why anyone would choose to write this way.

I understand the idea behind meter, that the pattern of long/short syllables is important. But I can't 'hear' any difference between long and short. I can't pick up any rhythm at all. I don't understand what makes this different from prose with more confusing word order.

[Anonymous No.17928665]

This chart completely leaves out Africa, that speaks french for the most part (roughly 700M native speakers)

[Anonymous No.17928715]

>>17927234
his method is not good -- even if it worked for him

3-month fluency is a joke

[Anonymous No.17928967]

>>17928610
never got poetry either, don't understand the appeal, might be autism

[Anonymous No.17928998]

>>17927234
>Is the fluent in 3 months guy really a fraud?
yes

[Anonymous No.17929002]

>>17928610
Poetry never stops being hard as fuck

[Anonymous No.17929011]

>>17928610
Catullus is good because his poems vary from relatively easy to very hard.

[Anonymous No.17929025]

>>17926742
According to an interview, Bradley Cooper became proficient in French after spending 6 months in Paris. Is this possible?

[Anonymous No.17929030]

>>17928665
Aren't most African French speakers L2 speakers?

[Anonymous No.17929041]

>>17929025
You'll probably wind up becoming fluent in Arabic or Berber instead.

[Anonymous No.17929070]

Perhaps more linguistics than language learning, but still. I don't get abjads /lit/. Isn't not having vowels a bad idea? How do you learn ho to pronounce things?

>Use an impure abjad
Okay, but apparently languages like Arabic and Hebrew leave off the vowel marks most of the time. How do they know how to pronounce new words? Someone please explain why this system is good, or at least what its benefits compared to an alphabet are.

[Anonymous No.17929075]

>>17929041
kek

[Anonymous No.17929076]

I want to go back to french school frens...
Its boring to study alone

[Anonymous No.17929087]

>>17928610
I'm assuming that, like me, you speak English your first language. If you don't maybe it's something similar to this. It's probably because English doesn't distinguish between short and long vowels in the way Latin does. Since you're not trained to make this distinction, you probably just don't hear it, I know I don't and a lot of people who speak English don't. North African Latin speakers during the time of Rome had difficulties with this too. It's probably just going to be a matter of exposing yourself to well spoken Latin enough, that you start to hear it, but that's probably gonna be difficult.

[Anonymous No.17929136]

>>17928610
if you can't into poetry in your native tongue, you shouldn't try to read it in another one, especially Latin.
Simple way to get a feel for it is to pick one that is short (~100 lines), like from Ovid's Trīstitia, make a list of the unknown vocab, memorize them, and read a translation before the original. Repeat many times and your brain will pick up the pattern to navigate.
Also, make sure you have the noun/adjective declensions down because you won't know which words are paired together due to different endings or syntax.
ex from the Aeneid: saevae memorem Junonis ob iram ( fierce unrelenting of Juno due to anger) = ob iram memoram saevae Junonis (due to the unrelenting anger of cruel Juno)

final tips
1) Read poetry before reading about poetry.
2) listen to people reciting them on yt
3) once you have a good number of poems down, start getting into the technical aspects.

[Anonymous No.17929392]

when people say ancient greek, are they referring to koine or attic?

[Anonymous No.17929401]

>>17929392
Attic
I've heard people refer to Koine Greek as Biblical, but never Ancient

[Anonymous No.17929463]

[Anonymous No.17929492]

So I’ve been learning Mandarin for about 2 years now because I was planning on moving to China around this time. For obvious reasons (I’m a Leaf too) I might not be able to do that within the next few months. That said South Korea is looking like a very enticing alternative. How AIDS is learning the Korean alphabet? How proficient could I get with ~3 months of studying for an hour or two every day?

[Anonymous No.17929526]

>>17929392
Attic, although 5% of ancient Greek is written in that dialect

[Anonymous No.17929567]

how hard is Hungarian?

[Anonymous No.17929613]

>>17929070
The same way you read English, and the Chinese read Chinese: they look at the word and recall the sounds it's supposed to make in the given context. Specifically, reading is done by training yourself to repeat a certain series of sounds upon seeing a certain symbol (a word composed of multiple letters is a single symbol). Your throat and mouth do actually move when you read, they're just incredibly small movements.

>but that makes it hard for outsiders to read
Good.

[Anonymous No.17929625]

>key to exercises is sold separately

[Anonymous No.17929751]

>>17926742
Is it true that lumping all the "dialects" of Chinese into one big CHINESE category is akin to lumping say, English, German, Swedish, Danish, and Dutch into one big GERMAN category?

[Anonymous No.17929769]

>>17929492
You can learn the Korean alphabet in 30 minutes.

[Anonymous No.17929770]

>>17929751
I think it would be more like adding all of the romance languages into one

[Anonymous No.17929878]

>>17926806
yeah I noticed the weird lack of austria in the german section as well, not the best infographic

[Anonymous No.17929980]

>>17929769
Yea? How long do you think it would take to become survival-level proficient in reading/speaking (order food, get prices, get directions, explain who I am, etc)?

[Anonymous No.17930205]

>>17929980
If you live I the country and study every day and use the language a lot you can get the hang of it pretty fast when it comes to speaking and being able to communicate most of the things you need. The grammar is kind of hard as you have to think in opposite order to English and you always have to consider the social position of yourself and who you are speaking to. I learn Japanese and have knowledge about Korean grammar. The hurdles in both languages are similar. Reading Korean is easier than Japanese I'd guess, but the honorifics are more strict in Korean also the grammar is more complicated.

[Anonymous No.17930240]

>>17930205
>The grammar is kind of hard as you have to think in opposite order to English
I'm pretty familiar with Chinese syntax- are they the same "kind of thing"? Like time -> subject -> location etc?
>Reading Korean is easier than Japanese I'd guess
That's my hope with the Alphabet system. It would probably be useful to be able to read something and know how to say it, even if you're unsure of the meaning. Harder to do that with Chinese. Also it's not tonal, which is huge.
>but the honorifics
Now I might be a bastard for this but I KNOW that I'd be able to get away with using the most basic honorifics/addresses bc foreigner. Not a great long-term plan but good for starting out.

[Anonymous No.17931421]

.

[Anonymous No.17932496]

>>17926742
Grouping all those languages under Chinese is rather generous. Mandarin and Cantonese are not mutually intelligible. That's like putting Spanish and Portuguese together. And if you don't speak Putonghua you're basically peasant scum to anyone with money.

[Anonymous No.17932613]

>>17932496
>Mandarin and Cantonese are not mutually intelligible.
in terms of speaking, yes. But they do share the same writing system, the majority of their vocab, and they are grouped together mostly out of tradition (to maintain a coherent Chinese identity). If you ask a Cantonese, they do consider their language Chinese, so there's also that.

[Anonymous No.17932683]

>>17927234
>>17928715
>>17928998
He went from "fluent in three months" to "diabetic in three years"

[Anonymous No.17932757]

>>17930240
you'll get a foreigner pass if you mess up the honorifics unless you do so incredibly badly. Just play it safe and prioritize learning the basic formal/polite form of words/grammar, and pick up the casual type incidently. I can't speak for Korean, but when learning Japanese I did this and it worked out fine, haven't had a problem at all or been corrected in my usage, even though I use basic polite forms and not specific tango conjugations/expressions.

[Anonymous No.17933001]

>>17926751
Graded readers

[Anonymous No.17933962]

>>17929070
>How do they know how to pronounce new words?
if they're loan words, you just have to have the vowels. if they're new words local to the impure language, you typically recognize the characteristic conjugation bc of the "meaning bins" (binyan in hebrew) of the specific root, i.e. if you gave me ח.ש.ב or "think" I could use these characteristic conjugations to distort the meanings of "think" in order to reach computer (מחשב)
, receipt (account) (חשבון) or important (חשוב). so if you have the root and its meaning you can kinda fumble your way around to new words by fitting them into different characteristic conjugations and guessing what they might mean. it's also how eliezer ben yehuda created modern hebrew. the hebrew language is fantastic for in-language vocabulary expansion using its internal logic
t. learning hebrew

[Anonymous No.17934017]

>>17933962
How similar to Modern Hebrew is Biblical Hebrew?
I'm sort of interested in learning the language a few years down the road but really mostly for older texts.

[Anonymous No.17934161]

Going through pimsleur Chinese (pirated obviously) but I think I'm doing it "wrong"
That is, the course is audio only but because I'm really worried about ingraining bad pronunciation early I always pause and check the pinyin for a new word every time one is introduced, which breaks the flow completely. Also, the official pǔtōnghuà speech is a little different from how my gf speaks, very heavy on the "r" sounds, and it's slowing me down a lot to respond with the southern Chinese alternatives (changes the tones for the whole sentence) every time I'm asked to repeat something.
The course is meant to be about training you to have an instantaneous response, but that's not my experience with it, most of the vocab isn't even new to me. Should I just restart and accept having a slight "Beijing accent" until my speaking ability is good enough that I can switch to southern style talk quite easily? Or will it be much harder to shake than I'm thinking

[Anonymous No.17934170]

>>17934017
i've only been learning modern hebrew and the bible is fairly understandable minus autistic vocab that you wouldn't use in every day conversation and the absolute ridiculousness of the bible's metaphorical and poetic language. it's honestly like trying to read shakespearean english as an english speaker. modern hebrew was resurrected largely by using the vocab and phrasing of its biblical variant (along with 2000 years of obsessively rereading the same text), so it's not super different. although if you try to speak biblical hebrew to someone in israel they'll think you're a fag or schizo or something

[Anonymous No.17934192]

How good is the Assimil course for French (the app)? I’m doing that as well as ‘Reading for French’, Duolingo, and I’m going to start grammar exercise books soon.

[Anonymous No.17934764]

bump

[Anonymous No.17934859]

>>17926742
I want to learn all the languages of the British Isles being English myself purely because i'm autistic about it. If I learn Welsh and Scottish I can branch out to Cornish and Breton through the earlier and Irish and Manx through the latter.

If I was going to learn actual practical languages I'd like to learn all the usual European suspects. Fuck learning Chinese.

[Anonymous No.17934872]

>>17926742
Any tips to better write/speak in English?
Like I can write some plain English sentences but it seems to me like they are too plain/synthetics instead of natural in comparison to native speaker.

[Anonymous No.17934882]

bump

[Anonymous No.17935023]

>>17926742
Anyone here who taught himself French and could recommend his ressources? I've had it in school for four years but never bothered learning for it (or paying attention for class), however recently I've gotten interested in learning it properly, but I don't know at all where to start.

[Anonymous No.17935565]

>>17935023
As long as you get IRL textbooks and stay away from apps like duolingo you’ll be cool.

[Anonymous No.17935927]

>>17935565
>duolingo
What’s wrong with duolingo

[Anonymous No.17936139]

>>17935927
Not him, but at best it's good for practice

[Anonymous No.17936197]

>>17935927
not him but its not efficient or useful, pretty much anything else is better

[Anonymous No.17936683]

>>17935927
it's just a supplemental tool, and it works fine
the problem is the people who use duolingo as the sole learning source and expect to become fluent

[Anonymous No.17937466]

boomp

[Anonymous No.17937545]

I want to learn german, what is the easiest and cheapest way to do this

[Anonymous No.17937553]

>>17937545
fuck that was not supposed to be picrel but it works I suppose

[Anonymous No.17937769]

>>17937545
anything but duolingo

[Anonymous No.17937781]

>>17937545
find a high frequency vocab deck on anki, watch easy german on yt, watch german shows on netflix with the chrome extension Learning Languages with Netflix.

[Anonymous No.17938420]

>>17937545
nice gif

[Anonymous No.17938695]

No-one ever really cares when I mention it on these threads but I'm learning Danish.
Starting to feel a little more confident about my pronunciation which is nice.

[Anonymous No.17938754]

>>17938695
happy for you and your progress anon

[Anonymous No.17938779]

>>17938695
Sounds grim anon but I’m rooting for you regardless

[Anonymous No.17939144]

>>17938695
Sejt kammerat, hvorfor har du valgt at lære dansk?

[Anonymous No.17939162]

>>17938754
>>17938779
thanks anons

>>17939144
Jeg vil gerne leve i Danmark :-)

[Anonymous No.17939975]

>>17934872
read and listen and speak to people who use english well

[Anonymous No.17940020]

>>17926945
Probably got a visit from the authorities. It's funny how many Chinese people don't believe this happens and that they can say whatever they want.

[Anonymous No.17940047]

>>17926742
Hey, what about the Indian english speakers?

[Anonymous No.17940060]

>>17940047
How many native (first-language) English speakers are there in India?

[Anonymous No.17941507]

>>17937545
sneed

[Anonymous No.17941962]

>>17935927
Duolingo sets unrealistic expectations. People fall in to the duolingo trap where they think doing 20 minutes of learning a day will make them fluent in a language when they really should be spending at least an hour per day, if not more. Obviously it's better than nothing but it drags out the learning process which makes people quit before without ever learn anything.
It also punishes mistakes by preventing further learning, and the only way around this barrier is to pay for in-app currency.
It's also developed a weird cult following of people hyper devoted to it.

[Anonymous No.17941966]

>>17941962
*learning

[Anonymous No.17941977]

>>17941507
true?

[Anonymous No.17942311]

[Anonymous No.17943062]

>>17942311
what is this

[Anonymous No.17943093]

>>17943062
Says at the the top

[Anonymous No.17944262]

How bad am I cucking myself if I am only practicing reading

[Anonymous No.17944277]

>>17937781
This

[Anonymous No.17944445]

>>17935023
Breezing through French now with Assimil and Anki, topped off with some radio and YouTube listening. Assimil gets your foot in the door very well for french, especially if your writing the sentences out and using anki everyday to quiz yourself. By the end of the course you should be able to read some basic books, with a bit of odd vocab here and there missing, then itsd just a case of brushing up your French and getting your speaking on track, which I plan to do with Pimsleur and some other resources. That said I'm learning French primarily to read and watch content, so take what you will from this.

[Anonymous No.17944457]

>>17944262
Depends on the language dude, if your goal isn't to speak it, just read then there isnt a problem most of the time. The issue really comes in with hard languages like Asian ones, where the challenge is already present so it would be retarded to kneecap yourself by just learning to read. But relatively similar languages to English like French and German, I don't see the big deal.

[Anonymous No.17944471]

>>17944445
>Assimil
physical or a pdf?

[Anonymous No.17945145]

bump

[Anonymous No.17945240]

What language should I learn, /lit/? I'm gonna have about 4 or 5 months to basically study full-time, though of course I don't expect to get anywhere near fluent in that amount of time.

I was first thinking Latin or Chinese since they both have a huge untranslated culture behind them. I've also considered japanese because I have a few japanese friends close by, so I could easily practice speaking. I'm also a weeb, unfortunately.

inb4 "try all three for a few days and find out which you like studying the most"

[Anonymous No.17945286]

>>17945240
latin would be easiest for you

[Anonymous No.17945658]

>>17945240
Go for Latin. Chinese or Japanese will be way too difficult for someone who hasn’t learned a second language (assuming you haven’t already), even if you’re highly motivated.

Latin is a good place to start with learning languages.

[Anonymous No.17947060]

.

[Anonymous No.17947114]

>>17937545
DW do language learning

[Anonymous No.17947239]

>>17934859
Once you learn one it's much easier. Manx is written for English speakers to understand the pronunciation. Scottish and Irish are very similar to it, but they contain more silent letters and slight vocal shifts. You could make an argument they're all major dialects which have regional variations within them rather than separate languages.
Welsh is one of the easier of the P Celts, but that's because it has a lot of Latin influence which is less diluted than in the Q Celts. Once you work out the phonetic shifts, a lot of it is similar to the Q Celts too (fawr instead of mor; llan instead of cluain; ty instead of ti)

[Anonymous No.17948332]

>>17937781
I did this but with duolingo instead of anki. I like to switch between the two to not get bored, and besides duolingo helps with spelling.

[Anonymous No.17949510]

>>17931421
(You)
(Tu)
(Kamu)
(ты)
(أنت)
(你)

[Anonymous No.17949538]

>>17932496
Spanish and Portuguese are mutually intelligible when it's written down. Many words are different, but 85% of the vocabulary is the same or so similar that anyone can guess accurately what the word means.

It'd be like if some language was so similar to English that it sounded like this:

"Many wurds are different bot 85% ov da vocabulary is da same or so similar that anyone kan guess accuaeartly what da wurd means."

(source: I speak Spanish and can understand most common texts in Portuguese. Not high end academic stuff but almost everything is readable).

[Anonymous No.17949606]

did any mandarin anons here enter this?
>https://writingchinese.leeds.ac.uk/translation-competition/competition-text-2021/
the competition text itself is a great example of what's frustrating about reading in chinese.

[Anonymous No.17949708]

>>17949606
>what's frustrating about reading in chinese
As somebody with no clue, let me ask:
What is frustrating about reading Chinese?

[Anonymous No.17950468]

latin or greek, which is better to learn guys?

[Anonymous No.17950499]

Thoughts on Assimil for French (the app)?

[Anonymous No.17951211]

>>17950468
Depends, which do you want to learn more

[Anonymous No.17951474]

I want to learn modern and Koine greek, which is better to learn first

[Anonymous No.17951623]

>>17950468
just learn what you like or are most interested in, it's going to take serious effort anyway and you can't afford being bored while you are learning
Latin will be somewhat easier, and more relevant for the west
Greek harder, more relevant for antiquity and the east
I partly concur with those that praescribe Latin as gateway to ancient Greek, having studied the first and now the second, but then again if you aren't particularly interested in Latin, just go directly to Greek if that's what gets you to practice and study every day

[Anonymous No.17951663]

>>17951474
modern . more useful since you can actually visit the most beautiful land in the world

[Anonymous No.17951851]

>>17926759
kek underrated

[Anonymous No.17951860]

>>17937769
>duolingo bad
Why? What would you suggest instead?

[Anonymous No.17951900]

I want to learn latin

[Anonymous No.17952001]

>>17937781
Frequency decks don't wor k

[Anonymous No.17952050]

Russian or German? Not deciding based on any specific factor, just looking for feedback.

Also, which is harder? I'd like to become intermediate by the end of the summer/early fall

[Anonymous No.17952091]

>>17951900
bona fortuna tibi albe

[Anonymous No.17952128]

>>17952050
>become intermediate by the end of the summer/early fall
You probably won’t desu unless you put an hour or two into it every day

[Anonymous No.17952138]

>>17952050
You probably won't reach intermediate by end of summer with either language.

Both these languages are difficult, Russian is probably more difficult because you have to learn another script as well.

[Anonymous No.17952218]

>>17944471
PDF, having the physical book isn't really important, its what you do with it and the audio in your notebooks with Assimil. I do the tried and tested: listen to audio trying to understand it, once I've got everything I can possibly understand out of it read the book along with the audio, try to get more understanding. Then you check yourself with the English and go back until you understand why each word translates the way it does, then finally I test myself by listening to the audio, writing down as I hear it, then marking myself with the book. This takes about half an hour, then its just a case of putting this feedback in an anki deck and keeping up with it. About 100 audio pieces come with French with ease, so your at a solid B1 level in about 3 and a half months should you keep up with it everyday with a few days to spare for breaks. Assimil claims to get you to B2, but everyone I've seen finish says its not true, B1 for sure though, with learning in there to make transitioning to B2 fairly easy.

[Anonymous No.17952255]

>>17950499
I'm sure the app is fine (though it looks very Duolingo-esc), but the real strength of Assimil is that it only gives you audio and a book, how you study it is up to you, and using your own study method and revision techniques is always going to be remembered easier than app games, at least for me- if your thinking of trying assimil, just get the torrent and buy a notepad, you'll thank yourself by week 2.

[Anonymous No.17952400]

I just want something productive to do for 1-2 hours each day after my menial desk job. Would learning a language be a good fit for me?

I have low attention span//career prospects so ideally looking for some hobby that could help both of these

[Anonymous No.17952440]

>>17952218
>putting this feedback in an anki deck
So you write down the phrases you didn’t get in your anki deck / notebook?

[Anonymous No.17952470]

>>17952400
1-2 hours a day is enough time to learn a language at a good rate (if you keep it up within a year you should have a great foundation). It's also a hobby that requires regular daily work, so it will help you with attention span and career stuff should you stay motivated. Your main issue is going to be picking a language thats actually going to use and most importantly like. Many learn Chinese for the promise of more job prospects, but if you don't like Chinese when you start your setting yourself up to fail. good luck anon

[Anonymous No.17952498]

>>17934872
what's your mother tongue?

[Anonymous No.17952539]

>>17952440
Yeah, pic shows the average days process: write down what I hear as best I remember it (from reading a few minutes before), then mark it, and repeat 4 or 5 I got particularly wrong or see useful to learn for later. After this, I take a break then put the sentences in Anki for review before bed later in the day. In summary: Assimil for 30 mins, practicing listening and writing. Anki later to practice speaking and general revision. I'm only in like week 2 of using it, but seeing WAY more progress in French than with Pimsleur.

[Anonymous No.17952584]

>>17952539
Thanks a lot anon, I’ll start doing this today. How long have you been learning French, and how you finding it so far?

[Anonymous No.17952603]

what do you call to language unlearning?
the older you are the less skilled you are with languages, including your mother tongue?

[Anonymous No.17952678]

>>17952091
Gratias innumeras!

[Anonymous No.17952777]

>>17952584
I've been doing French for a year on and off mostly on Duolingo, but in the last month I transitioned over to this board and took the advice of the wiki and went for Assimil and a bit of pimsleur, I can really feel the difference this time though, the hands on nature of the course really clicked with me and since its whole sentences in proper contexts I actually feel like I'm learning a lot that can be adapted once my grammer is tighter down the line. pimsleur is fine, I just find it very boring, and its not as adaptable to anki since theres no real writing and reading portion to it, it is fantastic for getting you speaking better though. But since I'm learning mostly to read books and comics, I'm not in a rush to go back to pimsleur until assimil is over.

[Anonymous No.17952835]

>>17952400
someone post the don't learn chinese image

some dude on /pol/ worked for some steel trading company and because he knew chinese he always had to deal with them. just a nightmare apparently

[Anonymous No.17953004]

>>17952835
Chinese would realistically improve his career prospects the most though

[Anonymous No.17953032]

>>17953004
Very True, but depending on your industry your also going to meet a lot of conmen and thieves if your to take this anons word for it. Unless your in the trade business I don't see an advantage to learning Chinese.

[Anonymous No.17953672]

>>17953004
Depends what he's working as.

[Anonymous No.17953819]

the links in the OP don't have many good resources for Modern Greek. any recs?

[Anonymous No.17953875]

I’ve gotten through both of my Latim textbooks and a vocabulary book for word frequency. I probably know about 2,500/3,000 words, but I’m deathly aware that at best that’s only a quarter of what I’ll need to actually read anything substantial.

Where do I go from here? How can I continue to acquire useful vocabulary at a similar pace as I have been?

I bought Orbis Pictus and am thinking of simply copying out EVERY word in that book from the little vocabulary section on each page and learning them all through harsh rote memorisation, I.E. copying the same words out over, and over, and over again until I remember them. Is there anything more effective?

[Anonymous No.17954043]

>>17952050
Russian is objectively harder. German will take 900 hours, Russian will take 1100. If you start April 6th and go to August 31st, (148 days) you would need to spend 2-4 hours a day to make sizable progress. Not to dissuade you, but it's hard to make sizable progress in such a time frame without a lot of effort/motivation/dedication/persistence.

[Anonymous No.17954076]

>>17953875
I personally mine sentences and put them into anki. For the moment, I'm doing this with Caesar and his Commentarii de bello Gallico. If I find a word I don't know or a grammatical construction I find hazy, I copy/paste the sentence to the front, bold the word/grammatical structure that confuses me, and add the Wiktionary definition to the back along with a translation.
I feel that this is a better way to retain vocab since it's given in context, instead of just having the word alone. Eventually, I will make the monolingual transition and not have any English at all on the back but this requires a hefty amount of vocab to pull off.

[Anonymous No.17954131]

>>17954076
Cool, thanks. I don't think I know enough to have a good go at it yet, but I'll keep it in mind after another thousand words or so.

[Anonymous No.17954216]

>>17954131
there are a bunch of readers out there that can help you pick up more words. lingua latina 1 and ad alpes are good.

[Anonymous No.17954232]

>>17929492
Kys

[Anonymous No.17954285]

Best resource for learning how to read Italian?

[Anonymous No.17954819]

>>17952498
Both parents are slavic.

>>17939975
I'm mostly consuming English media yet I just don't feel it, especially if I compare myself to younger people for whom English is a second language, it just feels like they get it easier.
>speak to people
Yeee, except for my inner monologue (which is often in English by the way) there is not a lot of possibility for me to do such a thing + I'm kind of asocial type of person.

This took me way too long to write :(

[Anonymous No.17955008]

>>17954819
One step at a time dude, the younger people have youtubers they can watch and learn from, so don't worry too much. Don't stop anon the clicking point will come.

[Anonymous No.17955869]

What are some French works on the level of Le Petit Prince?

[Anonymous No.17957144]

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[Anonymous No.17957793]

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[Anonymous No.17958109]

I want to learn German at a C1/C2 level in the span of 3 to 4 years. Would be able to devote myself to studying about 1 hour daily (sometimes a bit more).
Please give me two good and detailed books I should go through for grammar and stuff and ideally a YouTube lecture (or something of the sort) for pronunciation. I'd also download Duolingo and Rosetta Stone, but only for secondary or even tertiary use.
Thanks in advance!

[Anonymous No.17958867]

What are some easy Italian works?

[Anonymous No.17959696]

>>17958867
Gianni Rodari - Favole a Telefone

[Anonymous No.17959711]

there was someone on here at some point who wanted to learn all of the languages on the British isles, is he still here

[Anonymous No.17960295]

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[Anonymous No.17960537]

>>17959696
Grazie!

[Anonymous No.17960643]

[Anonymous No.17960791]

>>17960537
prego
>>17960643
kek

[Anonymous No.17961979]

>japanese has basically a simplified path to basic fluency, just do anki 2k and genki
>chinese doesnt
i suffer
i just want to read chink

[Anonymous No.17963298]

What are the best textbooks or grammar books for German?

[Anonymous No.17963598]

>>17963298
Can this thread get archived already?
it's been up for 3 days, and it's not even about literature.

[Anonymous No.17963638]

>>17963598
>literature can't be in other languages

[Anonymous No.17963988]

>>17961979
HSK6 (5,000 words) and the most common 3,000 characters will put you at a good intermediate. Read, read, read from there and you’ll b fine. Learn 10 words and 10 characters a day and you’ll finish it in 1.5 years

[Anonymous No.17964272]

>>17950468
>>17951623
i'd say just learn which ever one you want to read the literature in more. either can be a gateway to the other one, because there are tons of renaissance era and later texts that are bilingual latin/greek editions of classical works. you'll find these on google books. Although these are pretty much only gonna be originally greek works translated into latin, almost never the other way around. So latin is prob the better gateway to greek than vice versa

[Anonymous No.17965353]

>>17963598
we've had one for like a month now faggot, it's better than coffee threads

[Anonymous No.17965356]

>>17935023
Anki flashcard decks, can synch between phone and desktop. Just get the popular one with most common words/sentences.

[Anonymous No.17965361]

>>17935023
there's an anki deck with the most common 5000 french words, it's great and is very useful

[Anonymous No.17965362]

>>17938695
Gj anon

[Anonymous No.17965374]

>>17951860
Anki flashcards, textbook, immersion pimsleur, really anything of language apps. Pimsleur and anki are exceptions since Pimsleur is all listening and anki are customizable flashcards with notes and spaced repetition.

[Anonymous No.17965383]

>>17951900
>>17965374
Oh and YouTube for grammar. CureDolly ans Ammo Japanese with Misa.

[Anonymous No.17965471]

>>17951623
What are some of the most important works not translated from Latin and Greek? I'm particularly interested in Byzantine lore.

[Anonymous No.17966453]

la pomme est rouge
le chat et noir

[Anonymous No.17966459]

>>17966453
> the cat and black

[Anonymous No.17966470]

>>17966459
typo

[Anonymous No.17966687]

>>17954285
this worked well for me
https://archive.org/details/LitalianoSecondoIlMetodoNatura/mode/2up

[Anonymous No.17966711]

>>17966687
This anon is right.

[Anonymous No.17966793]

>look at latin
>looks bulky and awkward
>learn some prayers
>start saying them regularly
>actually flows off the tongue

damn.... time to learn latin

[Anonymous No.17967105]

>>17963638
Perhaps theworst take I have seen on /lit/

[Anonymous No.17967195]

I've tried to learn Irish a few times before and always get distracted by other things after a few months and fall out of the habit of practicing. Being taught it badly in school is annoying since it makes the basics seem obvious but since I've been too lazy to formalize that and try get a handle on rules I intuitively kind of know I never really progress very far. I'll stop being a faggot and put in the work this time

[Anonymous No.17967831]

>>17967195
>. Being taught it badly in school is annoying since it makes the basics seem obvious but since I've been too lazy to formalize that and try get a handle on rules I intuitively kind of know I never really progress very far
I have a similar pain with French

[Anonymous No.17968020]

I know decent Japanese and I'm starting to learn Chinese. What can I expect difficultly-wise?

[Anonymous No.17968044]

>>17966793
Well spoken Latin sounds like heaven. Listen to this. Ecclesiastical pronunciation autists will disapprove but I think it sounds great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh0yIwbQFCg

[Anonymous No.17968795]

>>17968044
v nice

[Anonymous No.17969901]

Bump

[Anonymous No.17970616]

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[Anonymous No.17970632]

>>17967831
same

[Anonymous No.17970698]

seems like any time I get comfortable in my ability to read French, I inadvertently pick up a novel full of outdated slang that fucks my shit up for awhile. humbling desu

[Anonymous No.17970854]

Good 20th century German poetry?
I am working on Trakl right now. Are there any other German-language poets who compare to him?

[Anonymous No.17970967]

>>17970854
Rainer Maria Rilke
Paul Celan
Stefan Georg

[Anonymous No.17971567]

>>17958109
Anyone..?

[Anonymous No.17971585]

I keep messing up like 90% of the exercises in Gwynne's Latin, feels really demoralizing even though I can instantly tell where I messed up, for example using the wrong declension for a noun or using an adjective in the feminine instead of the masculine/neuter. The years of brainfog have gotten to me, I just don't feel as alert as I used to be and as a result I CONSTANTLY make simple mistakes like this which makes me feel like a retard. Do you guys think this will go away eventually with enough practice?

[Anonymous No.17971741]

>>17971585
If you understand the mistakes you're making, then that's already a good sign. Sounds like you just need to slow down a little and think before you complete the exercises. But everything comes with time and practice as well. You'll be a hell of a lot better off in six months if you continue to work at it every day than if you call it quits.

[Anonymous No.17971782]

>>17970967
Thanks, anon

[Anonymous No.17971820]

>>17971585
>Do you guys think this will go away eventually with enough practice?
Yes

[Anonymous No.17971834]

>>17971567
fucking die

[Anonymous No.17971988]

>>17971741
>>17971820
thanks anons

[Anonymous No.17972738]

Anyone here read Petit Nicolas?

[Anonymous No.17974263]

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[Anonymous No.17974270]

>>17970698
same but with italian

[Anonymous No.17974820]

I need help on this passage in Jane Eyre:

>Lastly, I saw Mr. Mason was submissive to Mr. Rochester; that the impetuous will of the latter held complete sway over the inertness of the former: the few words which had passed between them assured me of this. It was evident that in their former intercourse, the passive disposition of the one had been habitually influenced by the active energy of the other: whence then had arisen Mr. Rochester’s dismay when he heard of Mr. Mason’s arrival? Why had the mere name of this unresisting individual—whom his word now sufficed to control like a child—fallen on him, a few hours since, as a thunderbolt might fall on an oak?
>Oh! I could not forget his look and his paleness when he whispered: “Jane, I have got a blow—I have got a blow, Jane.” I could not forget how the arm had trembled which he rested on my shoulder: and it was no light matter which could thus bow the resolute spirit and thrill the vigorous frame of Fairfax Rochester.

this part in particular:
>Oh! I could not forget his look and his paleness when he whispered: “Jane, I have got a blow—I have got a blow, Jane.
Who is speaking? Mason or Mr Rochester? I can't tell, I understand that it could be Mason literally in that paleness and getting a blow, and could also be Rochester from paleness of getting his secret out (metaphorically). But I'm leaning toward mr R, since Mason can't rest his hand on Jane's shoulder.

[Anonymous No.17975831]

>>17974820
Bump

[Anonymous No.17975984]

>>17974820
To preface, I haven't read the book so the whole context is a bit lost on me outside of that paragraph, but it looks like it was Mr. R, since the next sentence after the speech mentions him direction, also he is mentioned quite dominantly in the previous paragraph so I assume we're suppose to use that as a clue. That said it was confusing even for a native Englishman like myself, good on you if your using Jane Eyre as a learning resource, I imagine it would be quite hard.

[Anonymous No.17976503]

how THE FUCK do I learn Irish Gaelic

[Anonymous No.17977425]

>>17961979
The 2k deck and genki are bullshit. Just get a frequency list from netflix or wherever you want (there are tons available) and just use morphman or whatever with that. Alternatively, or simultaneously, learn the kanji / hanzi (i.e with remember the kanji / remember the hanzi) and then just sentence mine native media into cards (i.e, you'll be making cards out of the most common shit you here, which will be the most frequent, and you just go from there).

t. learning Japanese, did RTK1, Tango N5 (alternative to 2k or whatever other 'core' deck djt trash, only ~1k sentences) and now ~2k sentences into mining. Just make cards out of shit you want to learn / find interesting. Immerse as much as possible and the most common shit will rise to the top, will become familiar. Or, as mentioned earlier, just get a frequency list and mine that with vocab cards (although imo vocab cards are boring and make me want to suicide). Don't do anything in a hobby that makes you wanna neck yourself.

[Anonymous No.17977434]

>>17975984
Well, on rereading, that dialogue is totally how Rochester would speak to Jane, not sure why I didnt even think about that

[Anonymous No.17977926]

is it retarded to learn french and italian at the same time? I'm an intermediate in italian

[Anonymous No.17977944]

>>17977926
Kind of useless desu, you could just learn Arabic since it will be the main language in both countries soon.

[Anonymous No.17978699]

>>17977944
When I was in Italy I saw more Eastern Euros than Arabs.

[Anonymous No.17978957]

>>17977944
kek

[Anonymous No.17979153]

Does anyone know any good intermediate to advanced frequency lists for Latin vocabulary that include all of the principle parts?

I’m tired of seeing lists with the 1,000 most common words or less that are all basically (if not literally) identical.

[Anonymous No.17979243]

>>17976503
first step: dont call it that

[Anonymous No.17979291]

>>17979153
>https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1896912568
you can try the premade deck for familia romana on anki, even comes with audio for correct pronunciation too. Contains the most frequent 2k words.

[Anonymous No.17979376]

>>17979291
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.17979401]

>>17926806
this, also Germany alone has 80M+ speakers. German overall should have 100M+ speakers worldwide

[Anonymous No.17979443]

>>17979401
It's also not even consistent in the use of colors: Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia are in Europe East, according to the colors in the map, but in Asia Major according to the colors in the circle.

[Anonymous No.17979673]

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[Anonymous No.17979971]

Should I just give up learning Old English? Learning Latin by myself was pretty easy, but there are hardly any resources for this language.

[Anonymous No.17980850]

bump

[Anonymous No.17981347]

>>17979971
Isn't there a book in the OP?

[Anonymous No.17981385]

Is there a good resource for just drilling latin conjugations? I can usually read through a text and have a gut feeling for what tense/mood/voice is being used, but if I had to compose anything in Latin, I would be unable to form anything but present tense forms.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.17981397]

>>17980850
Brr lyk cushons

[Anonymous No.17981408]

>>17972738
Oui, very fun read, actually.

[Anonymous No.17981433]

>>17927234
>Fluent in 3 months
I don't know who you're talking about and I call supreme bullshit.
During 2020's quarantine, which lasted around 6 months in my cunt, I decided to learn french.
I studied french autistically everyday, watched jouer du greenier, listened to music, used Michel Thomas's course, and shitposted on /int/ like there was no tomorrow. Plus I used lawlessfrench.com, amazing website for french, by the way, and I already spoke both english and spanish, so I got a 40% off deal on most grammar and vocabulary

With all of these resources and free time it took me 6 months to acquire a basic level of french communication, 3 months would have been impossible, much more if I was an EOP.

[Anonymous No.17981443]

>>17981397
Butterfly, you'll never be as pretty as her. Even in your prime, you were less than her right shoulder, and now, everyday, you age more and more ugly.