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[Anonymous No.17921141]

reactionary thread

what are your best in-defense-of-feudalism works or arguments?

[Anonymous No.17921154]

>i cant defend feudalism so i need to deliberately search for obscure books doing so

[Anonymous No.17921172]

>>17921154
anon, its hard to say, but, you are spitting hard facts, congratulations

[Anonymous No.17921183]

>>17921154
personally I can. European peasants had almost half a year of vacation time due to them being tie sto agriculture cycles and communal bonds were strong. I would also argue that a decent leader (king) is better than any democratic effort

[Anonymous No.17921187]

>>17921141
Feudalism is based in theory but falls apart in reality since the lord can just abuse his peasants and it’s not really a codependent relationship

[Anonymous No.17921207]

>>17921187
If no one was giving them a percentage of food grown on their land, where would they get food? Isn't that how lords got their shit?

[Anonymous No.17921338]

Nigel Carlsbad.

[Anonymous No.17921352]

>>17921187
So what about a reformed or neo-feudalism?

>>17921183
What about other people who did not work with agricultural producion?

[Anonymous No.17921358]

>>17921183
>European peasants had almost half a year of vacation time due to them being tie sto agriculture cycles and communal bonds were strong.
No they didn’t you fucking retard, who told you this? They had to work for the lord of the manor whenever he wanted them to, had precisely zero rights, had their entire behavior commanded and monitored by priests and were often just killed for fun by some crazed knight in search for glory. Medieval feudalism makes African power structures look like the ones from Norway. You just fell for bullshit memes and romantic rosy pictures written down sometimes centuries after when this decrepit and discredited system of power had already rotted away and was in a state of collapse, and rightfully so

[Anonymous No.17921383]

>>17921358
>behavior commanded and monitored by priests and were often just killed by fun
I know the answer is obvious but what have you read on the subject?

[Anonymous No.17921388]

>>17921141
I think the best defense of feudalism is simply how long the system worked. Depending on when you peg the start of capitalism to be, it's been roughly 500 years under this system, and many cracks and flaws in it have appeared, leading to the creation of even less stable economic systems, like communism. Feudalism lasted for upwards of a thousand years, brought down only by the population losses of the Black Death.

[Anonymous No.17921978]

>>17921358
Kill yourself https://www.businessinsider.com/american-worker-less-vacation-medieval-peasant-2016-11

[Anonymous No.17922239]

>>17921141
Sup Ignatius

[Anonymous No.17922246]

> this thread again

You weak bitch, Op.

[Anonymous No.17923017]

>>17922246
yes and ill bump

[Anonymous No.17923184]

by realising that feudalism never existed and is an ill-defined, malicious term invented by enlightenment thinkers in particular h*manists. read recent stuff on medieval history.

[Anonymous No.17923252]

>>17921358
>They had to work for the lord of the manor whenever he wanted them to, had precisely zero rights, had their entire behavior commanded and monitored by priests and were often just killed for fun by some crazed knight in search for glory.
Literally all of this is wrong and speaks of a modern mentality and conditions that simply did not exist. Peasants were largely free tenants for most of the Middle ages and serfs owned property and had their own rights. In fact, they could have more claim on the land than free tenants because land ownership was largely determined by traditional occupation not the state enforcing who owns what in a highly artificial manner. Furthermore, while most serfs had land, most freemen were wage working farmhands and didn't own enough land to have a surplus of goods to make profit. It is not the lord's decision who owns what and he cannot remove them from their land or take their property. At most he can transfer lordship to another. There were highly personal and unsystematic agreements between individual peasant families and their lord, by this I mean it varied hugely even across what we would today think of as one country. But one characteristic of these agreements is that they could not be altered without reagreement. Meaning rent or owed labour (in the case of a serf) could not be changed.

There was no personal taxation either. Taxes were passed through other things. Such as when using the lord's mill and paying a portion of the goods. However, most peasants would have their own hand-powered mill stones for personal, daily use. A proper mill was for making a large surplus of goods to sell.

Post black death economic conditions were especially favourable to the (by now mostly free) peasants and part of the reason that the manorial system was dismantled along with flocking to the cities. Too good for the commonfolk. After that the wageslave was born.

[Anonymous No.17923294]

>>17921978
>The Church, mindful of how to keep a population from rebelling, enforced frequent mandatory holidays.
lol coping wageslaves. no one thought of 'rebellion' or 'suppression'. this is the schizo modern mentality.

[Anonymous No.17923317]

>>17921978
>and the day often included time for an afternoon snooze.
Nope. Sleeping twice a day was the norm worldwide and still practised in countries like Spain and China. In China it is a right. You can be sure peasants did it like everyone else. It seems to be biological. A long sleep at night and a solid nap a couple hours past midday or so. The only reason you don't do it is because industrialists wanted wagies to work as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.17923324]

>>17923317
Also it might still be a thing in China because it had a large peasantry until recently and so retaining it was important for winning their support.

[Anonymous No.17923344]

>>17921358
>You fell for bullshit memes
>spouts nothing but memes about the middle ages based on nothing
God, I wish morons like you would get off this board.

[Anonymous No.17923364]

>>17921358
>You just fell for bullshit memes and romantic rosy pictures written down sometimes centuries after when this decrepit and discredited system of power had already rotted away and was in a state of collapse, and rightfully so
Extremely ironic because it is you who did. All of the things you spout about it are early modern inventions and your own embellishment based on nothing. Just like those wacky torture devices lol.

[Anonymous No.17923987]

>>17921358
you are completely wrong. seems like you have been taught with academic sources influenced by the enlightenment.

feudal system replaced slavery btw

[Anonymous No.17924062]

>>17921358
oh noes we have an other tryhard faggot over here!

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[Anonymous No.17924161]

>>17921154
OP is a faggot, but you’re a midwit if you think all arguments can simply be intuited without reading anything to defend your beliefs

[Anonymous No.17924672]

>>17921358
>You just fell for bullshit memes

Says the man who fell for anglo-progressivist memes

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>>17921141

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[Anonymous No.17924875]

Filmer's Patriarcha changed my life, unironically.