/sffg/ - Science-Fiction and Fantasy general

[Anonymous No.17903677]

Fantastic Cities: Post your favorite location descriptions in sci-fi and fantasy fiction.

Previous Thread: >>17879875

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
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>Archive
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

>vtuber OP?
Never again.

[Anonymous No.17903688]

>>17903677
Why did you make a new thread before the bump limit?

[Anonymous No.17903699]

>>17903688
>>vtuber OP?
>Never again.

[Anonymous No.17903714]

>>17903699
Why would a bunch of Fantasy and Science-Fiction pics bother you?

[Anonymous No.17903755]

>>17903714
I don't like how they look. Same reason I wouldn't want a pile of shit being the OP, even if it had a little wizard hat or whatever.

[Anonymous No.17903770]

>>17903755
Seems reductive don't you think?

[Anonymous No.17903780]

>>17903735
I remembered that other one about aliens, it's called All Tomorrows, here's a link:
http://marsh.speedrunwiki.com/Text/alltomorrows.pdf
Warren Fahy's "Fragment" is a good piece of narrative fiction about evolution going wild on a small island, the point of divergence is the Cambrian so shit's absolutely wack.

[Anonymous No.17903789]

>>17903770
No. I want the pictures to reflect what I like from fantasy/sci fi. Uwu-anime nonsense is about as far away from that as actual shit to me.

[Anonymous No.17903798]

>>17903789
Seems like an excuse, anon. Since the Photos were of Fantasy or Science-Fiction origin.

[Anonymous No.17903803]

>>17903677
Garbage OP faggot mad at anime decides to make thread before bump limit, many such cases

[Anonymous No.17903807]

>>17903789
Don't respond to him. You'll never get through to him because for this guy it's not about what's in the OPs, it's all about letting people know that he, the vtuber spammer, made the thread and that we should all feel lucky to have him on our board.
Let's stay on topic henceforth.

[Anonymous No.17903818]

>>17903798
An excuse for what? The reason I'm for no more vtuber OPs is because I don't like the look of them. Thats a fairly self-contained 1:1 thought process.

>It looks crap. Don't enjoy looking at crap. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.17903829]

>>17903807
>You'll never get through to him because for this guy it's not about what's in the OPs, it's all about letting people know that he, the vtuber spammer, made the thread and that we should all feel lucky to have him on our board
What the fuck are you talking about? Anon are you okay?

[Anonymous No.17903951]

What is the House of Telcontar, but a ring fort where brigands eat tomatoes in the reek and hobbits play upon the wall with the beacons?
https://utlibrariesarchitecture.omeka.net/exhibits/show/architecture_in_fiction/minas_tirith

[Anonymous No.17903954]

>>17903829
>What the fuck are you talking about? Anon are you okay?
No, can't you see? guy if off his rockers.

[Anonymous No.17903958]

>>17903803
>many such cases
Wait what? Really? Do you have any evidence to back it up?

[Anonymous No.17903983]

Any books set in 'Medieval' period that doesn't suffer from pic related.

[Anonymous No.17903988]

>>17903958
He's probably talking about the other generals on /lit/

[Anonymous No.17904000]

>>17903983
>Medieval France in film
>Medieval England in film

[Anonymous No.17904012]

>>17903988
Oh, that. Would explain it. Thankfully, no one is making two or three threads of the same General. Shit like that is perplexing.

[Anonymous No.17904133]

Any good story like Battlestar Galactica where the humans are trying to flee the bots/aliens?

[Anonymous No.17904142]

>>17904012
>Shit like that is perplexing.
Just one fag who thinks there's a conspiracy or some shit.

[Anonymous No.17904237]

Thinking of reading BOTNS (or at least the first two in the series); I keep hearing about how Wolfe is a better fantasy writer than most authors; how does his prose hold up to Robert E Howard's and Pat Rothfuss'?

[Anonymous No.17904254]

>>17904142
Seems sick in the head.

[Anonymous No.17904430]

To the person that uploaded Breach of Peace to b-ok, thank you; I wanted to read it (partially to make fun of it) but I didn't want to pay Daniel by shekels. I'm legit gonna be upset if it's actually good, I really wanted to be able to make fun of it

[Anonymous No.17904540]

>>17904237
I think his prose is great. Here's an excerpt from chapter 1 of Shadow that I like so you can judge for yourself
>We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges. When soldiers take their oath they are given a coin, an asimi stamped with the profile of the Autarch. Their acceptance of that coin is their acceptance of the special duties and burdens of military life—they are soldiers from that moment, though they may know nothing of the management of arms. I did not know that then, but it is a profound mistake to believe that we must know of such things to be influenced by them, and in fact to believe so is to believe in the most debased and superstitious kind of magic. The would-be sorcerer alone has faith in the efficacy of pure knowledge; rational people know that things act of themselves or not at all.

[Anonymous No.17905225]

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[Anonymous No.17905240]

>>17904254
He is sick, other threads even call him schizophrenic because of it.

[Anonymous No.17905335]

>>17904237
You should be asking how does their prose hold up to Wolfe's. He's really unparalleled in the genre when it comes to his imagination and powers of expression. Even if you don't read BotNS, and you really should, I would recommend his short stories. "The Fifth Head of Cerberus" or the collection "The Best of Gene Wolfe" is a good place to start. If I didn't have more of his stuff to read I would be rereading it right now.

[Anonymous No.17905341]

>>17903677
Gods bless the OP, behead vtumors and all their sympathizers.

[Anonymous No.17905366]

>>17903699
Damn, I didn’t know you hate anime so much that you would enter a anime website to tell us.

[Anonymous No.17905389]

>>17905366
Vtumors are ecelebs, not anime and do not belong anywhere except for their ghetto containment board. Suck on my fat pink mast.

[Anonymous No.17905410]

>>17905389
What is it and people today being reductive on things they don’t like?

[Anonymous No.17905463]

Daily reminder that Japanese aesthetics and interpretation of Medieval Fantasy>West*id pixar soïfaces

[Anonymous No.17905550]

Is he evil, guys?

[Anonymous No.17905696]

>>17905410
read bakker.

[Anonymous No.17905717]

>>17903983
An obvious answer, but ASOIAF. The book-world is super colorful, unlike the shitty show.

[Anonymous No.17905959]

Hello everyone. I posted a while back about my kid's novel that I'm working on. I'm now at the point of editing it, and I'm debating whether or not I need to make the protagonist be from Earth. Does anyone have any YA or middle grade fantasy novels they can recommend to me where the protagonist is not from Earth, and the entire story happens within the fantasy world? There's obviously The Hobbit, but ideally I'd like something with a younger protagonist. Many thanks.

>>17904237
Wolfe actually tones his prose down in BotNS and it is still much better than Rothfuss, in my opinion. If you want to see his prose at its peak, read Peace, but BotNS is great too.

[Anonymous No.17905967]

>All Hiroto has ever known is a life on a tiny coastal speck of Japan. Much of the country has been swallowed by Yokohama Station, a mysterious, ever-growing series of buildings that's been around for as long as anyone can remember. The few who live outside its many entrances have never seen Inside and know only rumors and legends of the station's interior. That all changes when Hiroto is given an 18 Ticket, a mysterious item that lets him enter the massive complex for five days. The young man has always sought a purpose, but the one he finds may not be the sort he'd hoped for...

Anyone recommend?

[Anonymous No.17906050]

>>17905410
There are plenty of reasons, stop being so reductive.

[Anonymous No.17906403]

>>17903677
https://www.mediafire.com/file/rqfmsqdowbgw3fq/Folklore_The_Whispering_Skull.zip/file

This Ed Greenwood novel was scrubbed off the internet in 2017 and was lost media until now.

[Anonymous No.17906453]

Any good stories with a scene like pic related where honorable/upstanding men are forced to fight each other due to conflicting obligations?

[Anonymous No.17906604]

So I picked The Prism by Brent Weeks based on someone's recommendation. Is this a meme series? Ive read 100 pages so far and his prose is terrible and the story is reddit-tier garbage.
Does it get better or do I just drop it?

[Anonymous No.17906608]

>>17906604
You drop it, obviously. Look at the absolute state of that cover.

[Anonymous No.17906619]

>>17906453
Try Memory, Sorrow and Thorn by Tad Williams.

[Anonymous No.17906626]

>>17906604
>New York Times Bestselling Author
that should have been your first clue that it was shit m8

[Anonymous No.17906631]

>>17906608
>>17906604
The British cover isnt as bad. Have you read the series or is it trash?

[Anonymous No.17906635]

>>17906631
>isnt as bad
It's still pretty rough though. I wouldn't pick it up if I saw it.

[Anonymous No.17906681]

>>17906631
you’d have to be a veritable retard to buy books that look like this

[Anonymous No.17906742]

>>17906681
Show me a fantasy book with a good cover.

[Anonymous No.17906760]

>>17906742
Prince of Thorns

[Anonymous No.17906842]

>>17905959
>get no responses
>go look up recent middle grade fantasy releases
>every single one is own voices
>the only one that isn't has a romance plot between two eleven year old boys
Selling this will be trickier than I thought. I'm actually gay, but my protagonist doesn't fuck anyone, so I think it doesn't count.

[Anonymous No.17906858]

>>17906842
>>17905959
How does writing a children's novel differ from writing on targeted for adults? I'm guessing vocab is at a lower level, adult content is a no-go, etc.

[Anonymous No.17906878]

>>17906742

[Anonymous No.17906886]

>>17905959
Dragonriders of Pern
Deltora Quest
All of Hilari Bell's books
The only reason I think earth protagonists are common is that it's a low effort way to justify having exposition fed to the main character

[Anonymous No.17906919]

>>17906858
I'm still trying to figure that out anon. I'm writing an essay on the subject for myself now to to try to learn more about it. In general I think the most important points as far as kids are concerned is to make every sequence follow its predecessor in a very logical fashion and for there to be such a degree of whimsy that the conflict is overshadowed. In terms of publishing, there are other concerns such as violence. (Death is actually a yes, but realistic consequences of violence are a tough sell.)

>>17906886
Thanks sir

[Anonymous No.17907035]

Which sffg protagonist is the biggest asshole?

[Anonymous No.17907054]

>>17907035
Thomas Covenant, not even hard

[Anonymous No.17907113]

It seems that most of the most prominent modern fantasy authors working today are all Gen X'ers; why haven't we seen many prominent Millennial or Gen Z'er authors? Granted, the oldest Gen Z'ers are in their early 20s and most of them probably don't read anyways, but still

[Anonymous No.17907160]

>>17907035
Not even a question

[Anonymous No.17907187]

>>17905967
I hope there is chocolate inside

[Anonymous No.17907392]

>>17907054
>hey am I lucid dreaming? Guess it’s time for RAPE.

[Anonymous No.17907637]

Well, it didn't do worse than the previous book. But all the problems I had with the previous book are still present. My older post being here. >>17856058
The only interesting thing I have to add, is that there was a "make [country] great again" line. The gender stuff is a *touch* more balanced this time. A bit.

I've come to the end of my Joe Abercrombie journey for now. Until the next book comes out, I have nothing more to read. Does anyone have a recommendation that can distract me while I wait for the release of Cradle: Bloodline?

[Anonymous No.17907774]

>>17907637
not gonna lie haven't read any abercrombie and was about to get some of his books but the way you are describing them it seems like something i would hate.

[Anonymous No.17907790]

Lads I am looking for something that captures a similar spirit and aesthetic as Dan Abnett's first introduction to the Horus Heresy series, "Horus Rising". The whole Space Marine aesthetic in this book was phenomenal for many reasons I won't bore you with here. I read the 2nd follow-up by Graham MacNeil and it was alright but no where near captured the aesthetic, and the third book after that, "Galaxry in Flames" was too poorly written and a far cry from the aesthetic that I didn't even reach the half-way point. It felt too kitschy.

>inb4 bakker
No I tried reading that Mary Sue garbage and it was not only god awful but I realized it was just a huge troll here.

[Anonymous No.17907830]

>>17907774
It's just these last two books really. The original First Law trilogy was alright. Starts off strong at least. third book is kind of a mess.
But then the three standalone books set in the First Law world are all very good. Better than the original trilogy. Red Country is my favorite.

I would recommend Joe's work. Maybe start from the beginning. Or you could start with the first standalone book "Best Served Cold". That's a good entry. It's just these last two books feel a little weird. Joe is still a great writer. As far as structure, pace, prose, character development and all that. I just don't like his recent dance with woke culture is all. I wish he was a worse author, because then I can say I hate the last two books. But honestly, I'm very invested in the story. Despite the woke shit.

[Anonymous No.17907835]

>>17907113
I'm working on a sci-fi novel now but these days it's not easy. Most guys are working in genre fiction and the market grows evermore niche. Couple that with the fact that sci-fi culture has been completely overtaken by ideological retards from the Left it's nearly impossible to get published unless you meet their scope. Because of the ideology, we are not going to get a good sci-fi book until someone starts an underground publishing house and starts pumping out unfiltered literature again.

Genre writers, which is what most sci-fi guys wind up doing, are wearing a noose on their necks standing on the chair. At their feet is patrolman who waits for them to commit wrongthink and as soon as they do he kicks the chair from under their legs and proverbially hangs them. They get blackballed from the industry, slandered, dragged through an internal ritual of humiliation, and then tossed aside like trash and cancelled. This is the reality of publishing, in general, in 2021.

[Anonymous No.17907841]

In Bloodline, will Ziel find a divine treasure that allows him to give a fuck?

[Anonymous No.17907869]

>>17907835
What's your current wordcount

[Anonymous No.17907884]

>>17907869
13,635 with 9,602 in notes

[Anonymous No.17907900]

>>17907884
Lol

[Anonymous No.17907965]

>>17907900
Slow and steady wins the race.

[Anonymous No.17907984]

>>17903780
I have to read it all
Every fucking time

[Anonymous No.17907993]

>>17907790
>reads literal tabletop boardgame fanfiction
>thinks bakker was writing “mary sue garbage”
kekekekekekek, filtered to the pith

[Anonymous No.17907999]

>>17907993
Dan Abnett is an objectively good author, irregardless of being a genre writer (something bakker himself even confesses is unavoidable for most scifi and fantasy writers today).
I tried reading his first book in the series but I simply found it dull and uninspiring. It was like a worse version of Dune with unremarkable characters.

[Anonymous No.17908057]

https://www.foliosociety.com/usa/the-book-of-the-new-sun-2-volume.html

[Anonymous No.17908348]

>>17907637
The really telling thing for books like these is they CANNOT have a stupid female character. There are no dumb fuck women, its all fluffy flaws that are real flattering to the (female) reader.

[Anonymous No.17908372]

>>17907790
Read Abnett's stuff and be ready to abandon books like crazy. 99.9% of warhammmer stuff is fucking dreadful, since its useless nobody-authors writing about topics they're paid to have an interest in. The setting is pretty much dead anyway, so that is only going to get worse.

[Anonymous No.17908387]

>>17906742

[Anonymous No.17908409]

I want to read about zombies, give me some recommendations.
>I already read World War Z

[Anonymous No.17908463]

>>17908409
Johannes Cabal, Necromancer

[Anonymous No.17908499]

Cradle comic/manga when?

[Anonymous No.17908542]

>>17903755
based

[Anonymous No.17908555]

Alright lads, Should I read Dune?

[Anonymous No.17908578]

>>17908555
No

[Anonymous No.17908583]

>>17907999
I like some of ADB's books. I think he did well with Helsreach and The Emperor's Gift.

[Anonymous No.17908587]

>>17908555
Yeah, every sf fan says Dune and Enders game is a classic. So at the least you should be up to speed with your peers. I read the first 2 Dune books and enjoyed it.

Don't forget to read forever war too, my all-time favorite. If you like forever war then read Old man's war too - I don't know if their sequels are any good though.

[Anonymous No.17908600]

>>17905366
It isn't anime you retarded monkey.

[Anonymous No.17908630]

>>17903983
What in tarnation. Proper dyes ain't easy and they weren't cheap in those times. Nobody but the rich could afford such a vibrantly red cap.

[Anonymous No.17908647]

>>17908387
I'm not a Tolkien scholar. Is this the original cover design from the 1st edition? I wonder how edgy this was considered in 1950's. Was Tolkien shunned by conservative Christians like JK rowling?

[Anonymous No.17908653]

>>17906604
The part where she couldn't take his dick because she was so tight made my peepee feel funny. Otherwise the books were pretty mediocre, I dropped it on the third or fourth.

[Anonymous No.17908664]

>>17907392
>>17907054
This made me pick it up a few years back. But there were so many pages of nothing interesting happening that I dropped it.

[Anonymous No.17908673]

>>17908653
That's because you're a pedo desu.

[Anonymous No.17908681]

>>17905463
Disgusting weeb. Anime etc. is trash.

[Anonymous No.17908688]

>>17908673
And that's a good thing!

[Anonymous No.17908691]

>>17908688
You suck fuck, I would beat you pedo ass to death if I saw you irl pedo ass bitch.

[Anonymous No.17908695]

>>17908691
Fucking tourists I swear.

[Anonymous No.17908697]

>>17908348
The greatest sci-fi cinema trilogy of all time had a grand total of...two female characters. Leia and Mon Mothma.

[Anonymous No.17908706]

>>17908499
Why would you want it or need it. If you don't like books and prefer comics go to >>>/co/ or >>>/a/

[Anonymous No.17908714]

>>17908697
You are kinda gay and so was Star Wars.

[Anonymous No.17908717]

>>17908695
Pedo ass bitch

[Anonymous No.17908721]

>>17908717
Lurk at least for a week before posting.

[Anonymous No.17908729]

>>17908706
Because Cradle is basically a western version of the Chinese wuxia/xianxia fantasy genre. And those get made into extremely successful manhwa and manhua all the damn time. Though if Marvel gets their hands on Cradle they'll find a way to fuck it up, I'm sure.

[Anonymous No.17908736]

>>17908673
>>17908691
>>17908717
this is too obvious
you got replies so you are doing something right, but I won't give you more than 3/10, sorry

[Anonymous No.17908745]

>>17908729
And you would care why? The author already makes enough to make writing his career, any more money and you risk ending up in a hiatus hell.

[Anonymous No.17908762]

>>17908745
What a terrible attitude! You're so very selfish!

[Anonymous No.17908763]

>>17908762
Yes.

[Anonymous No.17908770]

>>17908745
It's going to happen no matter how much you kick and scream. The only question is how badly will Disney fuck it if given the chance.

[Anonymous No.17908777]

>>17908721
>>17908736
Lmao seething pedo ass bitch angry you got called out.

[Anonymous No.17908782]

>>17908721
>intentionally read a website for a while until it convinces you pedophilia is good

[Anonymous No.17908783]

>>17908770
Frankly by the time it happens I probably won't care at all. Already almost forgot this existed, Wintersteel was too mediocre.

[Anonymous No.17908791]

>>17908782
Everyone who cries about it is a newfaggot. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.17908810]

>>17908777
Go back whence you came.

[Anonymous No.17908833]

>>17908770
>disney
will wight seems redit as fuck but probably understands the genre enough to give any animation rights to a legit studio. The books are violent enough that making it avatar the last airbender tier would kill it. It would need to be one punch man/demon slayer in quality to take off

[Anonymous No.17908912]

So what makes YOUR idea so special?

[Anonymous No.17908929]

>>17908912
Humans = white people, goblins = kikes, orcs = niggers. What do you think about it? Is it a special idea?

[Anonymous No.17908931]

>>17905225
I would let him fuck me

I also want to fuck him and hear him squeal

[Anonymous No.17908936]

Any good biopunk recommendations? More bizarre the better

[Anonymous No.17908950]

>>17905959
Eragon

[Anonymous No.17908961]

>>17908936
Bizarre? Bio? Punk? Good? Did someone say BLAME! manga?

[Anonymous No.17908964]

>>17908929
da juice should be gnomes

[Anonymous No.17908987]

>>17908912
White people are the black people of my world. I take the collapse of the Romans but have the Asians sweep through Europe and Africans create federations of their various tribes.
Of course I use fantasy races to portray such a thing. The Aztecs are in there too, but they don't show up for a long while.

[Anonymous No.17908999]

>>17906604
I read Brent Week's the night angel trilogy.

The first book which broke him into the industry I thoroughly recommend. The two sequels were clearly rushed in order to meet deadlines soon as he had publisher deals. Ultimately I feel like he's a writer who just needs time to play/revise with his work, but he's too busy cranking out le epic fantasy trash for money.

[Anonymous No.17909001]

>>17908912
I'm (attempting) to return to the roots of the fantasy genre; historically-inspired cultures with elements of occultism and cosmic horror; no more medieval shit, its been done to death one hundred times; my idea is heavily inspired by the iron age, and instead of taking inspiration from greek or norse myths, its very much inspired by the bible, specifically the OT.

I'm also working very hard on my prose; the standard of writing quality for modern fantasy is absolutely atrocious, I want to aspire for a literary-level of prose and quality of writing, which is why, in addition to intensive world-building, I am also studying literature to form an understanding of how stories are made, and how to imbue my stories with themes–I want my stories to have substance and real meaning outside of fantasy, real literary value even though its a lot to ask for; the "fantasy" elements are more like cake dressing on top of a solid foundation of stories dealing with universal themes.

[Anonymous No.17909009]

>>17907113
Millennials are too busy not affording houses.
Gen Z's are- yo that skit was hilarious lmao- so yeah, like they're- omg Becky did you see that tiktok by PewDiePie? So anyway, what are we talking about?

[Anonymous No.17909010]

>>17908912
I'm of the camp that an idea doesn't need to necessarily be unique for it to be successful - just well-executed. Look no further than Harry Potter.

[Anonymous No.17909015]

>>17908964
No gnomes are too goofy and lovable. Goblins is a much better fit: short, ugly and greedy.

[Anonymous No.17909019]

>>17908987
>White people are the black people of my world. I take the collapse of the Romans
Yeah Sixteen Ways To Defend A Walled City was a nice book.

[Anonymous No.17909025]

Great sffg books with transgressive queer shit? Doesn’t need to be a focus of the book, I just like authors who aren’t afraid to shock people.

To start the list:
- The Dispossessed (communal nudity, normative bisexuality, m/m sex)
- Terra Ignota (crazy gender stuff, gay male protag, every kind of degeneracy under the sun, group kink sessions, social bdsm)
- Gideon the Ninth (excessive space lesbianism)

[Anonymous No.17909036]

>>17909015
gnomes are the quintessential slimy merchants/bankers

[Anonymous No.17909045]

>>17909010
I know it's bait.
But fuck
>Harry Potter
>Well executed

[Anonymous No.17909053]

>>17909025
Forever war fits the bill exactly. It's not the main theme of the book. Its just a novelty of the far-future changes in culture.

[Anonymous No.17909056]

>>17909036
This is not a kike, simple as.

[Anonymous No.17909067]

>>17909045
It's not bait though. It's a quality YA series of fantasy novels. I know popular is hated by lit hipsters. But it's objectively true.

[Anonymous No.17909069]

>>17909036
This is not a kike, simple as.

[Anonymous No.17909075]

>>17908912
It's basically The Revenant meets Red Dawn inspired by fomori mythology inspired by Viking raids.
It's not really special, it's just a no holds barred r-rated substitution for the lack of honest swords and sorcery films over the past several decades.
>t. broke ass screenwriter

[Anonymous No.17909083]

>>17909025
>transgressive queer shit
>I just like authors who aren’t afraid to shock people
>afraid
That's what's pushed nowadays, to the point that it takes courage to write a traditional book without warrior wymyn (none of that semi-believable archer shit, straight up swordswomen) and RTVAGD.

[Anonymous No.17909086]

>>17909019
I've never read it, but mine is more epic in scale. It'll follow the timeline of the rise and then eventual collapse of the empire in a great many novels. You will read it through many viewpoints and will find in future books that some people have misconceptions about very important events that are taken as truth.

[Anonymous No.17909095]

>>17909045
>made the author a literal billion dollars
>not well executed

[Anonymous No.17909096]

>>17909069
When I think of gnomes I see pic related.

[Anonymous No.17909110]

>>17909095
Not him but selling is just appealing to the lowest common denominator.

[Anonymous No.17909119]

>>17909083
Quite a lot of queer stuff is still outside the Overton window. Still lots of low hanging fruit on the transgression tree.

[Anonymous No.17909120]

>>17909096
Look at what comes up on google image search for 'gnomes'. That's what the average person thinks of gnomes. Goblin is a much better fit.

[Anonymous No.17909130]

>>17908912
My idea isn't really special.
The biggest special thing I think I have going is how I'm writing the fairy. It's not perfect but I think I've got a decent enough grasp on writing her as inhuman enough that she doesn't just feel like a floating asshole and isn't just "human with trait"

The other characters are pretty basic. I'm not shying away from characters being evil or selfish though, which I always get pissed when fantasy books do.
>badass assassin
>grew up giving no shits about human life
>oh well now I'm a moralfag gg
>btw here's my gf I just got cause I'm so dark and brooding

[Anonymous No.17909147]

>>17909130
What role does the fairy play in your setting?

[Anonymous No.17909152]

>>17908929
kikes should be gnomes>>17909120
yeah your pic is a vile, greedy ugly little gnome
goblins can barely make a club, banking is beyond them

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>>17903954
you will never be a woman vtranny

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>>17903677
Based OP. vtuber subhumans should be gasses.

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>>17909147
She's a floating asshole.

Not writing anything good, just some basic adventure stuff while I get back into writing flow after years off. Shes just following around a chick she found to guide her along the way into herohood because she's literally dying of boredom and had to latch onto something for fun.

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>>17909045
You have no idea what you're talking about, but that's forgivable, because I think the success of Harry Potter is one of the most misunderstood things in children's literature.

>>17908912
I know academic things about what makes games fun, which I think will translate to knowing what makes a book fun. My draft is decent enough that I think I will have something pretty unique after editing.

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>>17909181
>floating asshole
Literally have the main char say that in your book.

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>>17905463
other way around and it's not even close soulless bugman faggot.

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>>17906878
bait

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>>17908647
>Was Tolkien shunned by conservative Christians like JK rowling?
wtf am I reading?

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>>17909189
>games are the same as booms.
I'd respectfully call you a dumbass.

Games are fun due to the challenge and accomplishment. You can have a fun game with nothing but sliding blocks adding up to 2048. The enjoyment comes solely from the challenge and achievement.

You get no such challenge or achievement from books. Sure there's learning new things from them, but thats not typically why most people read books. It's to see a new world and enjoy watching characters do interesting things.

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>>17908555
Absolutely

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>>17909241
You know nothing and I am not going to lecture you about it, but as a thought experiment, I invite you to come up with a definition of "fun" that involves all possible ways that something can be fun. If you're smart enough to realize that this is hard, feel free to read about the MDA model's development. Also, do not reply to my posts.

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>>17909189
>I know academic things about what makes games fun

Neither games nor literature are now, ever have been, or were ever supposed to be "fun"

Your teachers were either idiots or utterly cynical. Maybe that goes for you, too - if so, carry on.

[Anonymous No.17909273]

>>17909241
Not him, but I don't think you're right on this. I suspect that the joys of plot and world building are identical to many of the fundamentals. Murder mysteries are effectively games played between the author and readers. Games definitely teach you nothing about what it takes to write quality characters, themes, or prose, but most casual readers are plotfags anyway. I'd bet most sffg posters are plotfags, honestly, it's why they need a safe space on /lit/

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>>17909231
I assume he means to ask
>Was Tolkein shunned by conservative Christians, like JK Rowling and DnD were shunned as blasphemous for simply including magic and shieet.
To which I'd be surprised by considering Tolkein's devoutness and respectability.

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>>17909270
You are allowed to reply to my posts. I like you.

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>>17903677
Are Stephen Baxter's sequels to War of the Worlds and Time Machine worth reading?

[Anonymous No.17909287]

>>17909231
Harry Potter books were being banned by some parents because of all the magic and sorcery when it first came out, saying it was the devil's words. It was extremely popular when it first came out. How's that rock you were living under? Comfy?

>>17909189
This. Not trying to turn this into a HP thread but... first book released while I was in high school and everyone went crazy for it. I completely ignored it thinking that shit was for kids. I didn't even watch the movies. On a whim, I read the first book 3 years ago. I devoured the whole series right after. It's objectively good.

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>>17909266
Lol cause you're full of shit. Enjoy your pretentious bullshit.

I can destroy your entire argument with thousands of examples. Overlap between 1 subset is not indicative of equivalence. By proof of contradiction I proved your argument null. That's all there is to it.

But go on find yourself a thesaurus to hide behind sophistry when your retarded claims get called out for the sack of shit it is.

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>>17909287
next time use punctuations champ.

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>>17909308
Huh? My gammer is prefect but yuo can undnerstand what the fuck I am saynig or are you retarted?

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>>17909273
The thing is that writing character journeys that stay close to their themes is not unique. It's not easy and not many of the people writing books right now can do it, but some people can, and anyone can if it's something they consciously know that they need to work at. Prose is even easier to get right. There are many beautifully-written novels that lack the spark I mean when I reduce the idea to "fun." I might write more about it someday, but I'll probably try to release a novel so I can validate my theory for myself first.

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>>17909307
So this is the power of outer-/lit/...

[Anonymous No.17909357]

>>17909287
I grew up reading harry potter/watching it since I was in that age group and...
It was meh for me the whole time. Like, I 'got' Harry Potter, but it never grabbed me. It feels like a series that was competent, but never noteworthy to me. Of course I've dealt with its popularity now for like two fucking decades.

But the only way I can describe my feeling is like the time I spoke to a girl who told me Dragon Age was her favourite RPG.
>mfw she says it's because she loved the worldbuilding and the characters.
suits me for talking to women.

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>>17909333
There are many writers with serviceable prose, but very few with good prose. It's an area with a much higher skill ceiling than writing a satisfying plot.

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>>17909357
Interesting because DA:Origins is one of the greatest video game RPGs of all time. The next two games are trash but they do add to the world-building. Back to COD with you.

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>>17909372
Imagine caring

[Anonymous No.17909385]

>The Bakkerfags will come again.

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>>17909372
>Confirmed for babby's first rpg.
da:o was shit outside of the origins, and even then half the origins sucked.
>Back to COD with you.
no u.

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>>17909397
imagine a nerdy gamergirl so desperate for dick she tries to build rapport with a clueless litnerd whose balls have yet to drop

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>>17909358
>Peter Watts when he writes topology when describing the spiky ring bioship

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>>17904237
>prose

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>>17904237
Too different from Howard's to compare. They're both going for super different things. Fucking annihilates Rothfuss though, managing to be both less pretentious and more sophisticated in - every facet - at the same time.

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>>17904540
>We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us;
Hnnnnnnnnnnnnggg

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>>17904540

That is just about the dumbest thing I've ever read. Someone invented that fucking coin (a symbol of value) and the other symbols on it, retard.

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>>17909632
Symbols are platonic ideals given form through human possession

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>>17909632
A major motif in the series is the twisting of language to justify a falsehood or an impossibility. You're supposed to appreciate Severain's attempts at convincing you of certain things, not actually buy into them wholesale. To fail to grasp this is to be filtered. Something more on-the-nose like Bakker might be more your speed.

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>>17909665

Prove it.

>>17909684

Gosh I guess I'm filtered.

[Anonymous No.17909791]

>Love is lust made meaningful. Hope is hunger made human. —AJENCIS, THE THIRD ANALYTIC OF MEN

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I asked in another thread specifically about elves but I haven't gotten a reply so I'll ask here.
Is fantasy just about making midwits feel smart with gay bs like >>17909684 or are there any novels featuring catamite elves. I don't read fantasy but a novel with catamite elves and misogyny written by an author who does not have a twitter account would probably be worth looking at.
>oh he's a devious trickster character
>he's like the villain but I prefer him
>oooh POLITICS
>oooh NO POLITICS
>ooooh furries
these are all misandrist tropes.
>You're supposed to appreciate Severain's attempts at convincing you of certain things, not actually buy into them wholesale
sounds like something a male feminist would say about Lolita.
Anyway thanks in advance for the recommendations.

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>>17909847

You might get a kick out of Swanwick. His short fiction is his best work but a few of his novels are good too.

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>>17909847
>being this homofash

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>>17908600
Stop being reductive.

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>>17909847
Insane

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>>17909956
>>17909926

What are your sex chromosomes?

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>>17909988
Good.

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>>17909988
I'm an XY who likes XYs and you're still insane

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>>17909993

XX good or XY good?

[Anonymous No.17910029]

I was playing CP2077 and it got me thinking. What are some cyberpunk or general dystopian novels that are exclusively about and from the perspective of the typical "bad guys", i.e. corporate lackeys, government employees, etc? The only thing like this I know of is most of what Vladimir Sorokin has written.

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>>17909988
Don't tell them, They want to take your chromosomes