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17888850 No.17888850 [Reply] [Original]

Is there any point in reading Greek philosophy as a muslim, even though al-Ghazali BTFO'd the Mutazilas?

>> No.17889099
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>>17888850
Perhaps only to indulge your curiosity. My present understanding:
>Aristotelian causal reasoning in relation to God produces an understanding of God's nature that is incompatible with Qur'anic emphasis on God's transcendent will.
>The 'God' of Avicenna, al-Farabi and the Mutazilites (as the uncaused cause, made necessary to explain the existence of contingent caused things) is a mechanistic postulate - an entity functioning naturalistically to ground and produce causal chains, presumed to be as such because it is presumed to be necessary that such a function be performed in order to make causal realism a closed system
>Within such thinking, God's nature as the uncaused cause means it is necessarily God's nature to bring creation into being, thus 1: he does not radically choose to do so, being in a sense compelled to do it, and 2: He is not radically separable from / transcendent of His creation, since He is conceivable in terms of His causal relationship to it, and He cannot be conceived prior to / separated from His activity of causing it
>Al-Ghazali identifies this in both The Incoherence and The Standard of Knowledge and concludes that it is contrary to the characteristics of God in the Qur'an
>Develops the doctrine of occasionalism to avoid the problems that positing an intrinsic relation of cause and effect creates within Islamic thinking
Would welcome any correction of what I've said from those more familiar with Islamic philosophy

>> No.17889108

>>17888850
Sure if you want to have a laugh

>> No.17889123

>>17888850
I'm enjoying the edits of this hoe

>> No.17889142

Read Guenon who just shits on the greeks and says y'all were right.

>> No.17889271

>>17888850
Only if ur Sufi, otherwise just read Aquinas minus the christian theolog

>> No.17889284

>>17888850
>even though al-Ghazali BTFO'd the Mutazilas?
No, read Averroes.

>> No.17889294

>>17889284
>read [heretic]
“No!”

>> No.17889298

>>17888850
You keep posting her but no one gives a source

>> No.17889318

>>17889271
>Only if ur Sufi
Explain.
>otherwise just read Aquinas minus the christian theolog
Wut?

>> No.17889323

>>17888850
>al-Ghazali
Absolute trash.

>> No.17889342

>>17889323
Absolute cope

>> No.17889712
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>>17889298
Sabrina Lynn I believe.

>> No.17889735

>>17889099
>Develops the doctrine of occasionalism to avoid the problems that positing an intrinsic relation of cause and effect creates within Islamic thinking
could you expound on this? this would be the actual relationship between creator and created according to al Ghazali?

>> No.17889776

>>17888850
Well, you could certainly stand to learn thing or two about beauty if you think that hog in your pic is anything to gawk at.

>> No.17889781

>>17889735
I read the wikipedia
I like it
that was a good post anon>>17889099

>> No.17889844

>>17889099
Good post. I was reading Avicenna recently and was also surprised how mechanistic and non-transcendent his "necessary cause" of a God was.