/lit/core now valued at $2,500

[Anonymous No.17885044]

Apparently the book 'America Against America' has become a pop sensation after America's capitol riots.
>After chaos engulfed the U.S. Capitol last week, some Chinese intellectuals found themselves searching for copies of an out-of-print book to make sense of events. “America Against America” forecast the U.S.’s decline due to domestic conflicts more than 30 years ago.
>Among the things driving demand was the author: Wang Huning, the Communist Party’s No. 5 leader and top political theorist to three Chinese presidents. Some copies have surged to more than 16,600 yuan ($2,500) on Kungfuzi, an online marketplace for antiques. That’s more than 3,000 times its original asking price in 1991, when Japan was more widely seen as America’s big economic rival.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-13/a-2-500-book-on-u-s-decline-is-suddenly-a-must-read-in-china
Anybody have any old copies kicking around? Its a good time to make some money.

[Anonymous No.17885088]

More about Wang Huning and some exerts from his book.
https://archived.moe/lit/thread/15558698/

[Anonymous No.17885715]

>>17885044
>>17885088
Checked.
Thanks for sharing.

[Anonymous No.17885797]

>>17885044
I wish there was a full English translation of this. There were a few extracts in the thread above, but not the full book. Surely the CIA or something has gotten this translated right? It would be in their best interest to do so, wouldn't it?

[Anonymous No.17885815]

>>17885797
>It would be in their best interest to do so, wouldn't it?
How would humanizing their eventual enemy help them?
The cia doesn't care about knowledge they just need to know where the kindergartens and hospitals are for drone strikes.

[Anonymous No.17885841]

>>17885797
That poster on SA is still translating. There's another chapter online since the thread last summer.
There's also a chinese copy of the book on lulu, possibly you could find someone to read to you.

[Anonymous No.17886378]

Chapter 3: A Colorful National Character
Part 4: Sanctification
> Americans tend to demystify, but they also tend to sacralize the most. Sacralization is still not deification because it involves relationships between people. Americans rarely deify anything. In some societies, a thing is often sanctified when it reaches beyond the capabilities of ordinary people. [...] Some people on the Pacific islands deified the accidental landing of a U.S. Army plane during World War II by making a realistic plane out of wood to worship. In not a few societies, shamans possess mystical perceptions. American society does not have such a culture, and while there have been cases of mass suicides of hundreds of people like the People's Temple Church, these are rare. The American nation does not tend to mystify or deify, but it has a special nature that I call 'sanctification'.
> What is "sacralization"? Sacralization is first and foremost a secular domain. It has a certain nature of worship, but it is not religious worship. The process of sanctification is the elevation of an earthly phenomenon to a very high status. This process is not initiated by any one person or organization but it is a process of socialization. Let's look at the specific analysis of what I call sacralization before we analyze the social function of this phenomenon.
>The American nation is very susceptible to emotional impulses, and a people that are very receptive to externalities. Sacralization can be seen in the political sphere. The National Convention of both parties is a typical example of this sacralization. The enthusiasm, the excitement, and the genuine emotion of the people in the room were a rare spiritual resonance. The candidates of both parties will be warmly welcomed in this venue. When they come out, people can cheer for as long as ten minutes. Their speeches, constantly interrupted by applause and cheers. Throughout the campaign, candidates from both parties are greeted in this way wherever they go. As usual in such an individualistic and egalitarian culture, it is difficult for an individual to receive such adulation. One of the reasons for this is that they are sanctified. They are just a symbol, a symbol of a culture, or a goal that people are pursuing more of a sacred frame of mind.
Huning really is a modern day Tocqueville.

[Anonymous No.17886398]

>>17886378
dam he predickted dat trump nigga

[Anonymous No.17886412]

In his opinion, the celebration of sports like football was a form of materialist religious spectacle:
>The whole process of the game, from the playing of the national anthem to the ceremonies, to the game, to the performance at the break in the stadium, went beyond the game itself. For example, the event under the Statue of Liberty to celebrate the bicentennial of the country was lively and grand, and its nature was not an ordinary celebration, but some kind of sanctification. This is the work of the government. The government is often the promoter of sanctification, as in the case of the military, and the sanctification of the military is obvious. This is especially true of American attitudes toward military victories and those who have fallen in battle. There is a peculiar Vietnam War Memorial in Washington, D.C., where every fallen soldier has been named. For the fallen, official funerals are held with pomp and circumstance. The government's fondness for the space shuttle is also an excellent example. When the Space Shuttle Challenger exploded, the government gave the astronauts who died extremely high praise and honor, seeing them as dedicated men who pioneered the American spirit. The successful launch of the Space Shuttle Discovery, which the government viewed as a triumph of the American spirit, has taken on a significance beyond the technological breakthroughs of astronautics.
A while back I read a post where an anon compared Chinese mass culture to American culture in the 50s and 60s in terms of themes and mood. Maybe this is more intentional than we realize.

[Anonymous No.17886419]

>The process of sanctification is actually the process of elevating various phenomena that people believe in and choose into the American spirit, as well as the process of people accepting the American spirit. Society cultivates this mechanism, and people have a solid psychological deposit of hero-worship and achievement worship. The basic spirit depicted in the western goes against hero worship and achievement worship. [...] Today's heroes are not the cowboy images of yesteryear, and today's concept of achievement is also changing. However, the character of hero-worship and achievement worship still exists in the hearts of Americans. The American nation lacks the worship of ghosts and gods, and the first two worship instead.
>These two kinds of worship are hidden in the hearts of people and will reveal themselves when given a strong and powerful call. The growth of egalitarianism, nihilism, and relativism in contemporary American culture has caused a deep suppression of this character. Under ordinary conditions, it is difficult to imagine that Americans would have such strong feelings of worship. The process of sanctification is, on the one hand, a process of social induction and, on the other hand, a process of self-release. A look at the frenzied emotions of the audience at ball games, venues, and concerts will show how they satisfy the two basic human needs mentioned above: a sense of worship and a sense of personal release.
>[...] The non-mystical tendencies of the American nation make it difficult for them to produce deified worship, and the need for human worship turns to the secular. People look for worship in their own surroundings. Americans are a pragmatic people who find it difficult to worship abstract, legendary, and invisible objects, but they can worship success, bravery, adventure, and wisdom in their own surroundings. This worship carries with it a complex of elements, rational, irrational, emotional, non-emotional, conscious, and unconscious. The process of sanctification is not actually the sanctification of the individual, but the sanctification of a spirit. This spirit has constituted the tradition of culture and has become the gene of it. The process of sanctification of society in turn constantly consolidates it. [...]
>The process of sanctification has a fundamentally social function, which is to maintain and transmit the core values of society. The process of sanctification of society plays an extraordinary role in spreading its spirit to all levels of society on the one hand and attracting people to join the process of sanctification on the other. I am reminded of Rousseau's argument that society must have a civil religion, and I feel that the process of sanctifying society is very much like the process of creating and spreading a civil religion. In such an individualistic, self-centered society, sanctification is the best mechanism for spreading core values.

[Anonymous No.17886467]

>>17885044
Wait, I actually think I have a pdf of this, I haven’t read it tho https://mega.nz/file/KnIzmKYC#J4Eo_1xqxjvmflLDTZ76BEc5I3IiV602FFIqZ9C4Zgc

[Anonymous No.17886492]

>>17885044
Wait, actually think I have a pdf of this, I haven’t read it tho https://mega.nz/file/iyo0iKqA#J4Eo_1xqxjvmflLDTZ76BEc5I3IiV602FFIqZ9C4Zgc

[Anonymous No.17886522]

>>17886492
Woah nice. How'd you find this?

[Anonymous No.17886526]

>>17885797
>he thinks the CIA is smart enough to learn Chinese
Kek.

[Anonymous No.17886578]

>>17886526
They could just hire some Chinese people?

[Anonymous No.17886602]

>>17886578
If they did that they wouldn't have any money left over to give to skinheads and drug cartels.
And then who will they turn to when they need an enemy, foreign or domestic, gunned down in cold blood? Chinese people again?

[Anonymous No.17886609]

>>17886492
King

[Anonymous No.17886619]

>>17886492
How long is it?

[Anonymous No.17886632]

>>17886578
how do you think China found out who all of the US's assets in China were and killed them lel

[Anonymous No.17886672]

>>17886522
On logo daedalus’ Twitter. His account is great lol

[Anonymous No.17886700]

>>17885044
>/lit/core
>literal who
>only posts about him date back a year
>barely ever mentioned
>commie
>"here is all the information you need on him"
>"zomg i <3 this book i wish it were in english"
>"here guys I have this exact rare book as a pdf you should all read it"

[Anonymous No.17886721]

>>17886619
The pdf is 350 pages
>>17886700
Oh shit I’ve been found out

[Anonymous No.17886724]

>>17886721
Yeah man turns out posting the same massive pasta list over and over for a year gets some people fucking annoyed enough to remember.

[Anonymous No.17886734]

>>17886700
It's nice when stuff works out like that huh?
Threads like this are why /lit/ remains one of the best forums on the internet despite sucking so much.

[Anonymous No.17886752]

>>17886734
Yeah man having non stop gay ops and guerilla advertising campaigns is what makes everyone love this board so much they spam it with gay porn and scat every couple weeks.

[Anonymous No.17886777]

>>17886724
>>17886752
I know you won’t believe me but I only found that pdf because I was trying to dig for writings by members of the ccp so I could understand their philosophy. Stuff in English on wang huning is very scant so I doubt there’s an op to promote it. If anything the ccp wants it to stay obscure. That being say this place is absolutely a honeypot.

[Anonymous No.17886779]

>>17886752
Two threads mentioning an author who also is an important statesman in the worlds most powerful country isn't a guerilla advertising campaign. I'm the OP and I had no idea that the other anon had a translated copy, I just like the author.
Should /lit/ be restricted to discussion of the same five canonical texts instead? Grow up.

[Anonymous No.17886868]

>>17886777
>>17886779
Whole lotta "me like china" posts going around past few days. Hmmm... What does it mean? Hmmmmmm... I can't quite put my finger on it. How can I, or anyone really, possibly put 2 and 2 together and finally begin to decipher this conundrum? What can one man do, but continue to wonder all the infinite possibilities? Perhaps one day, in the distant future, a lone scholar might stumble upon this absolutely bewildering enigma, and put it's boundless mysteries to rest. Alas! I shall surely never see the day this mystifying conundrum is finally solved by a mind far sharper than my own.

[Anonymous No.17886930]

>>17885044
Does Wang Huning browse /lit/ or something?
If so, that's pretty based of him alongside the three letter feds. How cosmopolitan!

[Anonymous No.17886990]

>>17886868
Just because someone likes China does not automatically make them Chinese intel. Of course you should be wary of glowing ones, but if you’re unwilling to accept valid criticism of the US and acknowledgment of China’s successes as genuine then you’re probably infected with the ideological parasite of schizo-conservatism. This can be seen in people like Bannon who see hidden Chinese actors behind everything the same way anti-semites see Jews behind everything. Also note Bannon’s ties to the Falun Gong, he spreads the same propaganda they do.

[Anonymous No.17887036]

>>17886990
Chinese intel? Who in the world mentioned Chinese intel? Why would that have to do with anything? Why would Chinese organizations associate with members of the media or United States government officials? Quite the radical theory you have there... Hmmmmm... Nevertheless, we shall never in our lifetimes be able to solve this peculiar quandary.

[Anonymous No.17887111]

>>17886990

china go away

[Anonymous No.17887125]

>tfw you could have invested in meme books and gotten bitcoin level returns but instead you were shilling for the Chinese government at 50¢/hour.

[Anonymous No.17887133]

>>17887036
Chinese agents do work in US media and government, but right wing pundits play this up to distorted levels to fearmonger. Chinese intelligence is younger than US intel so it doesn’t have the global framework they do. Still, it’s something to be aware of.

[Anonymous No.17887171]

>>17887133
Relax, will ya? I'm just breakin your balls. I'm just bustin your balls, alright? What's got into you, huh? I'm just giving ya a ballbustin. I'm just cumbustin ya a little bit. I'm only cumbustin ya and you gotta start gettin fuckin fresh?

[Anonymous No.17887183]

> Excerpt from the book

American loneliness is either superficial or deep and manifests itself in different forms. It is also a disease derived from all developed societies. A friend told me a story that vividly reflects the loneliness of an American. The main character of the story is a woman of almost fifty years old. She came from a wealthy family, married to a professor, and then divorced. Her children have grown up and are living independently outside the home. She now lives alone in a house. She has no job and earns some money by working short hours. Due to her mental depression, she often drinks heavily. When she drinks, she becomes delirious, crying and screaming, which is naturally caused by her mental loneliness. But what made people feel that she was lonely was not her situation, but people's attitude toward her. The friend, who was living in her house, was often worried about the woman's condition. He called her children. Her children said that it was her business and they could not interfere with it. If she felt that she needed to go to the hospital or to the police, it was up to her to decide and they could not decide. In effect, they were saying that they couldn't control it, but just let it happen. When he called her best friend, the answer was the same, saying there was nothing he could do. Although the best friend, but also can not exceed the authority, the friend often can only watch her drunken madness, helpless. That best friend of hers said, "She is trying to treat me like a mother and pamper me." From the bottom of her heart, that friend despised her too. The question is, why was she like that? It was a deep-seated loneliness. Her loneliness was not only within herself, but also in the way society treated her on the outside. She was alone in society, and society was alone in her. This is the situation that a lonely American encounters.

[Anonymous No.17887190]

How are Americans lonely? This is a question that is difficult to answer in one sentence. We can say that the American economic system has created human loneliness, and the prominence and importance of money in society has monetized human relationships, while human feelings are forced down in money relationships. A little warmth may mean money. We can say that the dominant value of America - individualism - leads to the isolation of the individual. Tocqueville says that the American Revolution led to the growth of individualism, but individualism means at the same time self-solitude. Without accepting self-solitude, the fear of dissolution also makes it difficult to truly create the conditions for individualism. The overwhelming position of individualism in society may be a good note for the lonely American. We could say that the American protection of the private domain also protects loneliness; each person does not like or want others to invade his or her own domain of life. This desire breeds solitude. Perhaps Americans like solitude, or more accurately, want a moderate amount of it. The question is whether they are prepared to deal with the greater or socially imposed loneliness. The mechanisms that people devise and build themselves to ensure moderate loneliness sum up in society to impose unbearable and unbearable loneliness on the individual. The problems that such mechanisms create for the individual become potential problems for society. Human loneliness is a product of social institutions, and it is difficult to find solutions as long as such social institutions remain intact. The most difficult thing for an institution to overcome is its own by-products.

The authors of Megatrends argue that the development of high technology has increased the pursuit of high emotion. The overly concentrated pursuit of any one thing in a society constitutes a political management problem. The isolation of people has become a major burden on the political system and will continue to do so. Analyzing many of the government's policy actions, it is easy to see that the more fundamental motivation lies in the complex and constant role of each person's loneliness.

[Anonymous No.17887200]

>>17886378
>>17886412
This is basic as fuck shit I would think most teenagers would figure out on their own. Is this the power of Chinese poltical thought? Lmfao. There are hundreds of thousands of books over the centuries written about the same kind of subjects

[Anonymous No.17887212]

>>17887200
yeah I'm going over it, it's basically a summary of grades 1-12 history, civics, government, and sociology class. But the audience aren't Americans who went through the education, it's Chinese people who haven't been raised in our educational system

[Anonymous No.17887231]

>>17887111
>>17887036
>>17886868
Intellectual poison, always stupid fucks like you in every historical period

[Anonymous No.17887238]

>>17887231
gonna cry?

[Anonymous No.17887244]

>>17887238
Cringe. Enough from you

[Anonymous No.17887250]

>>17887231
>shill propagandizing for a literal 1984 dictatorship that wants to destroy my country doesn't like it when I call him out
boo hoo, cry me a river nigger

[Anonymous No.17887264]

>>17887250
Please, keep going with your brain cancer. You're only embarrassing yourself further. Like I said, stupid fucks like you have always existed, and always will. You have never and will never experience actual higher thought or genuine need for knowledge.

[Anonymous No.17887267]

>>17887231
Relax for cryin out loud, will ya? I'm just bustin your balls a little. Come on. I mean, I'm only cushin your cock man. I come home and I'm givin ya a cockbox stompjob and you gotta start gettin fresh?

[Anonymous No.17887271]

>>17887250
>NNNNNOOOOOOO YOU SHILL YOU NO TALK BOUT MY ENEMY!!!!!
Fucking cringe. This boomer nonsense manifesting itself even on 4chan is pathetic.

[Anonymous No.17887275]

>>17887244
baby gonna shit his diaper?

[Anonymous No.17887278]

>>17887275
Go back to facebook or your shithole containment board, doesn't matter which one, both are the same

[Anonymous No.17887282]

>>17887278
>

[Anonymous No.17887295]

>>17887282
Boom boom boom boom, i want you in your room, with all the other boomers, From now until forever

[Anonymous No.17887299]

>>17887295
seethe nigcel

[Anonymous No.17887317]

>>17887190
astute for a chinaman, though a lot of the observations are trite or obvious, even for when the book(?) was written
was this originally published and distributed to public markets?

>>17887250
posting helper in 2021 huh

[Anonymous No.17887320]

>>17887250
>This is literally 1984!!!
The most brain dead take these days. Do better

[Anonymous No.17887340]

>>17887320
no one is allowed to have a take that people have had before. every take has to be wholly original and everyone has to have a take and if you have an opinion that isn't a take you're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.17887342]

>>17887299
Seethe poltrash

[Anonymous No.17887346]

>>17887342
big baby wet diaper? poppy sloshy wet diaper?

[Anonymous No.17887347]

>>17887340
Or you're a braindead clown repeating bullshit like a robot on subjects you don't understand

[Anonymous No.17887353]

>>17887347
wowee hot take! bazinga!

[Anonymous No.17887372]

>>17887340
Yea that sounds good. Stop repeating garbage.

[Anonymous No.17887389]

>>17887372
>Stop repeating garbage
>"omg 'literally 1984' is a brain dead take"

[Anonymous No.17887395]

>America footbarr isa rike der mateliarist lerigion!
Bravo chinks, bravo. Stunning insights from the country that can't go one week without a safety oversight killing 80 bugbrains.

[Anonymous No.17887405]

>>17887389
Someone had to say it

[Anonymous No.17887408]

>>17887405
nigger

[Anonymous No.17887412]

>>17887405
It's been said more than the "take" it's complaining about.

[Anonymous No.17887424]

>>17887412
Definitely not

[Anonymous No.17887440]

>>17887424
It's like faggots who complain about mario mushroom jokes. We get it, you want attention for complaining about something that was popular to say like ten years ago. Nobody cares. Cry over it.

[Anonymous No.17887450]

>>17887440
Idgaf stay mad

[Anonymous No.17887453]

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[Anonymous No.17887454]

>>17886868
>>17887036
>>17887111
>>17887171
>>17887238
>>17887250
>>17887267
>>17887275
>>17887282
>>17887299
>>17887340
>>17887346
>>17887353
>>17887389
>>17887408
>>17887412
>>17887440
Go back or kill yourself

[Anonymous No.17887460]

>>17887183
Damn... I'm going to give my mom a hug next time I see her.

[Anonymous No.17887462]

>>17887454
absolutely SEETHING

[Anonymous No.17887471]

Oh I remember this and the thread from a few months back. Read the whole book and it's pretty good. Though I don't recall him predicting the decline of America. It's more of an analysis of contemporary America in view of social management techniques. He pointed out some problems, which seem pretty prescient in light of recent years, but he also thought American society was very well managed, and you can see the prototype of social credit system just from his comment on credit card alone. He cited also the likes of Hayek and Marcuse too, so his thought is probably not very original.

[Anonymous No.17887488]

>>17887471
Where’d you find the book?

[Anonymous No.17887545]

congrats on sliding the thread successfully, Chinese intelligence agencies
you've already won

[Anonymous No.17887581]

>>17887471
>>17887471
It's an interesting approach that he takes. Both with the credit cards and also when talking about how coca-cola acts as a manager for millions of people in the USA.
He's really concerned with how to organize people and societies into a higher productive potential, and when I look at China's attitude towards things like social credit scores and biotechnology it would make a lot of sense from that perspective.
He's not fatalistic at all, unlike Tocqueville, it seems like all of his observations are rooted in observations of processes or material realities. Very marxist sort of analysis.

[Anonymous No.17887612]

>>17887545
we’re pretty clever aren’t we hehe

[Anonymous No.17887717]

>>17885797
doubt it glow nigs are worthless now days

[Anonymous No.17888424]

>>17885797
Haven't read it myself, but:
https://twitter.com/JaakWaller/status/1353100985325903872
>If anyone is interested in reading an amateur translation of Wang Huning's America Against America check out the link below. It was made using DeepL and then line edited for coherence by performing a second pass at troublesome phrases.

[Anonymous No.17889790]

Imagine witnessing the chimp summer but it takes a bunch of larping fags to make you realise the usa is nearing it's end

[Anonymous No.17890097]

>>17886672
>His account is great
It's ok.
Too bad he seems to be the only guy outside China to buy into all of the CCP's propaganda completely uncritically.
Also, he seems a little arrogant and pigheaded at times, even when he argues a completely untenable position.
Still gives some decent literature recommendations though.

[Anonymous No.17890108]

>>17890097
it's a common phenomenon among dejected American former-patriots to lionize foreign powers as somehow about to rain down righteous destruction upon them to ensure that Humanity(tm) keeps on advancing, a similar example is the people who go on about BASED PUTIN. of course the US is in fact run by morons, but the reality that many are not willing to accept is that it always has been.

[Anonymous No.17890164]

>>17887389
janny get a little mad? piss his pants over a little bit of greentext? gonna cry janny?

[Anonymous No.17890261]

>>17886412
is he not aware the sports competitions in general grew out of pagan religious rites in both hemispheres?

[Anonymous No.17890644]

>>17890097
What’s an example of something he believes that you think is ccp propaganda?

[Anonymous No.17891632]

>>17885044
>insectoids trying to grasp freedom
Why should human or gorillas care what insects think abou tus

[Anonymous No.17891716]

>>17886492
thanks og

[Anonymous No.17892466]

>>17886412
Its interesting because Maurice Samuel similarly attacked gentiles in his book for being so fixated on sports and sports teams.
>>17887200
I think you underestimate how juvenile society has become. This kind of writing is a revelation to most people. Rehashing the basics like this is a very effective kind of political rhetoric. Its refreshing because no one in America would be allowed to publish something like this.

[Anonymous No.17892856]

This thread is full of feds. Pro-china and pro-usa feds. Too bad Americans and /lit/ posters are retarded. Where are my Russia nibbas at? Neo-Eurasia gang rise up

[Anonymous No.17892889]

>>17885044
Does anyone know of an English translation online? I can't find it anywhere.

[Anonymous No.17892903]

>>17892889
It’s linked twice itt

[Anonymous No.17892914]

>>17892856
The Russia-China Alliance is
neoeurasianism. If you’re pro Putin you’re also pro Xi because they’re working together towards the same goal.

[Anonymous No.17893223]

Can buy on taobao for 28 rmb

[Anonymous No.17893294]

>>17886412
>A while back I read a post where an anon compared Chinese mass culture to American culture in the 50s and 60s in terms of themes and mood. Maybe this is more intentional than we realize.
poast it