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>What Goethe might have thought of Wagner?— Goethe once asked himself what danger threatened all romantics: the fatality of romanticism. His answer was: "suffocating of the rumination of moral and religious absurdities." In brief: Parsifal.

How can Wagner even recover?

>> No.17878031

Who cares? He still made good stuff

>> No.17878319

>>17878031
The question of Romanticism in Wagner defines whether or not he made good stuff.

>> No.17878330

I prefer to think that the authors I like would have been friends. It’s not very accurate, but it is comfy.

>> No.17878380

>>17877936
Parsifal was a Goethean artwork though.

>> No.17878486

>>17878380
Elaborate

>> No.17878558

How come everyone dabs on Wagner?

>> No.17878642

Look at N with his little sword and hand on his hip like a little faggot. What a big tough man.

> never had children
> out of the gene pool

>> No.17878743

>>17878642
Meanwhile Wagner sired many children.

>> No.17879610

>>17878330
No anon, it is VERY accurate.

>> No.17879752

>>17878558
everyone dabs on wagner because theyre all jealous that theyre not wagner

>> No.17879754

An anon posted this quote by Junger in another thread:

>Then about Wagner, who appeared to me in a new, more meaningful light for our age. I thought I spotted the error of Baudelaire, who possessed an authentic relationship to the ancient, eternal verities. Thoughts about the mighty mind of the dramatist who breathes artificial breath into past ages and dead cultures so that they move like corpses we can quote. A sorcerer of the highest order who conjures with real blood at the gates of the underworld.

>Things assume colors that make it hard for even the sharpest eye to distinguish truth from illusion. The actor steps into reality, becomes a historical person, achieves triumphs, garners laurels as green as real ones. What good does it do to contradict or debate with him? He has arrived because his time has come. In this alone lies his guilt, which runs deeper than any guilt based on individual action. Art as a hothouse of past ages—it is like a promenade through winter gardens or salons where palm trees bloom. It is hard to take issue with this, for the terrors of destruction are so great, so horrifying, that the will to rescue a single shade is all too understandable. Nietzsche presents a contrast that stands and falls in wintery tempests. These are the exemplars that our youth, like Heracles, beheld at the crossroads.

>The case of Nietzsche contra Wagner reminds me of those little toy houses we used to have with their different figures that would emerge depending on the weather conditions. One little figure would stand outside and forecast the weather, prophetically correct but out of step with the moment. The other showed the prevailing climate conditions, whether or not signs of a downturn could be sensed. For that reason, this figure waits in safety, away from the bright light. And yet they both were attached to one and the same little strip of wood fashioned by the carver of the little weather house.

>> No.17880502
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>>17877936
I wish I was musically sophisticated enough to appreciate Wagner.

>> No.17880519

>>17877936
Nietzsche was just a player hater.

>> No.17880557

>>17880502
Who do you consider you are musically sophisticated enough to appreciate?

>> No.17880559

>>17880557
The Spice Girls

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>>17880559
I mean in pre-20th century music. It could be a fiddle, it can be anything.

>> No.17880620

>>17877936
did neitzche practice fencing?

>> No.17880621

>>17879752
Unironically this

>> No.17880639

>>17880615
I can handle the folk inspired stuff that Schubert wrote.

>> No.17880659

>>17880639
This kind of thing https://youtu.be/pze4NxCOjg0

>> No.17880675

>>17880639
I dig the Queen of the Night Aria though.

>> No.17880740

>>17880675
How do you go with longer parts from operas?

>> No.17881653

>>17879752
Considering how contentious he still is today, it seems that way.

>> No.17881947

>>17880620
nah he was a LARPer who failed in the military and fainted during the war as a medic. still he regularily attended veteran's meetings until the end of his life and pretended to be a veteran artilleryman.

>> No.17882024

>>17878642
>he only counts biological children
ngmi