/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17874804]

Pic related is Marieke Lucas Rijneveld, 2020 Booker prize winner. Say something nice to them

[Anonymous No.17874826]

>>17874804
Their major influences are the Harry Potter books and the Bible. They're the only dutch alive who believes in God

[Anonymous No.17874834]

Hoerrrrrrrrrrr

[Anonymous No.17874881]

>they/them femboys

[Anonymous No.17874996]

>>17874826
She loves cows. That's cute

[Anonymous No.17875032]

I only see one person there.

[Anonymous No.17875068]

>>17875032
Speak Dutch then, anglocuck

[Anonymous No.17875098]

>>17874804
>>17874826
Would Smash

[Anonymous No.17875369]

>>17874804
It's transition seems to be going well!

[Anonymous No.17875376]

>>17874804
>them

[Anonymous No.17875381]

>>17874804
They was supposed to translate the biden inauguration poem, but declined under pressure because she was not black.
She did so with a poem that got the front page on the book appendix on one of the Dutch papers. I think that poem got them more attention than the translation would have gotten. Poem was still not amazing, but I can imagine it's nicer to write your own poetry instead of translating politcal mutt poetry.

[Anonymous No.17875401]

>>17875381
She's a nice poet. I won't call her great indeed, but she's enjoyable. Her prose has some beautiful moments too.

[Anonymous No.17875646]

>Billie Eilish fan
>Harry Potter fan
>found out she's a boy while playing The Sims
Zoomers finally took literature

[Anonymous No.17875662]

>>17874804
Dream spouse.

[Anonymous No.17875704]

>>17874804
Why are you using the wrong pronoun and nobody is calling you out for the fucking politically correct faggot you are ? Why aren't you covered in insults like you deserve, you brainwashed swine
Where is everybody ?
What has this place come to that we allow such disgusting vermin to proliferate

[Anonymous No.17876337]

>>17875704
you have to go back

[Anonymous No.17876382]

Id fuck that boy

[Anonymous No.17877188]

>>17875704
Extreme low quality bait

[Anonymous No.17878176]

>>17876382
Uhh... Anon...

[Anonymous No.17878413]

why is they dressed like that at the beach?

[Anonymous No.17878433]

>>17875704
nbs are cute and valid

[Anonymous No.17878577]

>she
>them

[Anonymous No.17878588]

>>17878577
They're so hecking cute!

[Anonymous No.17878696]

>>17878588
Theirs is the only literary career I care about

[Anonymous No.17878726]

>thanks for the cake, Anon. You surely read my novel, right?

[Anonymous No.17878739]

do you guys actually like her book or only her androgenous boipussy

[Anonymous No.17878740]

>them

what, is there a cowriter? It's a plural noun, use it properly.

[Anonymous No.17878751]

>>17878740
Rijneveld identifies as both male and female, and adopted the second first name Lucas at the age of nineteen, having been bullied during secondary education because of their "boyishness". Rijneveld uses they/them personal pronouns in English, but zij/haar (she/her) in Dutch.

[Anonymous No.17878760]

>>17878739
*their and *their

[Anonymous No.17878768]

>>17874804
He looks like a faggot. Go to the gym.

[Anonymous No.17878829]

>>17874804
I'm assuming that Rijneveld is/was female.
Typically, it seems that it's young women who feel the need to complicate their relation to gender like this.
What are girls/women saying about themselves when they tell us that they "identify" as gender non-binary or as a boy/male?
It's so radically different from how I experience myself and others that I can't comprehend it. I would have no idea what such a person would be communicating about themselves or their way of life if they were to tell me something like this about themselves.
I can understand transgenderism, but not this. I have no idea what a person like this thinks it means to be a man or a woman.

[Anonymous No.17878845]

>>17875704
Who cares anon, I dislike most of those people because they are very rude and not because they choose to be a girl or a guy or neither whatever. Im not gonna be rude back tho, I like being kind and sincere

[Anonymous No.17878851]

>>17875704
>What has this place come to that we allow such disgusting vermin to proliferate
Probably because you sperg the fuck out and shit your pants like this at the vaguest hint of something against your political alignment, and so nobody wants to be associated with you.

[Anonymous No.17878867]

>>17874804
>Booker prize
i stopped caring about this once they gave it to that Jamaican niggerspeak book. Garbage award

[Anonymous No.17878870]

>>17878867
Which one?

[Anonymous No.17878924]

>>17875068
Who the fuck wants to learn Dutch.

[Anonymous No.17879170]

>>17878829
what are you talking about. The vast majority of trannies are male to female. Why do you think the phrase is you will never be a woman and not the other way around?

[Anonymous No.17879190]

>>17878867
Seven killings? It was pretty good though.

[Anonymous No.17879214]

>>17879190
If you have a shit taste, yes.

[Anonymous No.17879244]

>>17874804
looks like an anime character+
>>17874826
is the god thing true? if so, based.

[Anonymous No.17879261]

>>17875646
Marieke's millenial

[Anonymous No.17879271]

>>17874804
Just a fucking tomboy. What's with all this gender nonsense?

[Anonymous No.17879431]

They're cute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi1_E3BUewc

[Anonymous No.17879436]

>>17879431
How can we justify doing this to animals, christ. You’d think a tranny would be more woke than this.

[Anonymous No.17879438]

>>17874804
If you dress like that at the beach, you deserve to be arrested.

[Anonymous No.17879440]

>>17879436
Marieke is not a tranny lol

[Anonymous No.17879441]

> Marieke Lucas Rijneveld, Netherlands: ‘It’s difficult for my parents to understand that I’m not the girl that they raised’
Rijneveld was born on 20 April 1991 on a farm in the north Brabant, a province in the south of the Netherlands. The date is significant, they disarmingly disclose, because it means they share a birthday with Adolf Hitler.

“As a child I thought it was a funny idea to be born on the same day as such a monstrous man, but it made me wonder if I was a good or a bad person.”

In the novel, Jas builds a fantasy about a Jewish family her mother has hidden away in the basement. She acts out her social alienation by making a Nazi salute at school and cracking a joke which was judged too offensive for the English edition of the novel.

“As a small child I felt I was a boy, I dressed like a boy and behaved like a boy, but children at that age are still neutral in their gender. In adolescence, when the separation became clear, I dressed like a girl and became a girl, then at 20 I went back to the boy I was at primary school.”

Their middle name, Lucas, comes from an imaginary boyfriend they had as a young child. Elegantly dressed in trademark suit and braces, Rijneveld’s composure only breaks when they struggle to remember the name of the film star they aspire to be.

It finally emerges in a burst of giggles: “Timothée Chalamet, star of Call Me by Your Name – I want to be a beautiful boy.”

They have not yet decided whether to take hormone treatment, so when they read their work publicly it is in an unbroken voice, radiating an androgynous charm that has made them one of the poetry circuit’s rare breakout stars. Only their hands betray their other life as a one-day-a-week dairy farmer, with scrubbed nails that are bitten to the quick.

“Farming keeps me grounded. The cows are my best friends; I like cleaning out the stables and shovelling the shit.”

[Anonymous No.17879444]

>>17879440
In principle they are

[Anonymous No.17879446]

>>17879436
he/she is gender non-binary and is still on the fence on whether to undergo hormone therapy, so I think this means that he/she is not technically a trannie, yet

[Anonymous No.17879448]

>>17879444
Not really.

[Anonymous No.17879451]

>>17879441
>She acts out her social alienation by making a Nazi salute at school and cracking a joke which was judged too offensive for the English edition of the novel.
What is the joke? Any Dutchbros here?

[Anonymous No.17879460]

>>17879441
> a joke which was judged too offensive for the English edition of the novel.
The fucking state of translation fags

[Anonymous No.17879461]

>>17879436
Feeding them?

[Anonymous No.17879464]

>>17879441
>I like cleaning out the stables and shovelling the shit
So she can be a janitor on this site.

[Anonymous No.17879466]

>>17879441
>>17875646
She has a shit taste in pretty much everything but she seems like a good person. Is her book any good?

[Anonymous No.17879467]

>>17874804
She did the right thing by stepping down from translating the Official US Youth Poet. There are thousands, maybe millions of Black Dutch speakers that could really use the money.

[Anonymous No.17879469]

>>17879460
> 'Shocked by the uproar': Amanda Gorman's white translator quits

Dutch publisher Meulenhoff had announced Rijneveld, winner of the International Booker prize, as the translator of the Joe Biden inaugural poet’s forthcoming collection, The Hill We Climb, last week. But the move quickly drew outrage. Journalist and activist Janice Deul led critics with a piece in Volkskrant asking why Meulenhoff had not chosen a translator who was, like Gorman, a “spoken-word artist, young, female and unapologetically Black”.

“They are white, nonbinary, have no experience in this field, but according to Meulenhoff are still the ‘dream translator’?” asked Deul.

Rijneveld had previously welcomed the assignment, saying that “at a time of increasing polarisation, Amanda Gorman shows in her young voice the power of spoken word, the power of reconciliation, the power of someone who looks to the future instead of looking down”. But in a statement, they subsequently announced their withdrawal from the project.

“I am shocked by the uproar surrounding my involvement in the spread of Amanda Gorman’s message and I understand the people who feel hurt by Meulenhoff’s choice to ask me,” Rijneveld wrote. “I had happily devoted myself to translating Amanda’s work, seeing it as the greatest task to keep her strength, tone and style. However, I realise that I am in a position to think and feel that way.”

“Thank you for this decision,” Deul wrote on Twitter.

[Anonymous No.17879483]

>>17879469
Who the hell is Deul and why does it matter?

[Anonymous No.17879487]

>>17879467
What happened exactly?

[Anonymous No.17879488]

>>17879446
I admire your optimism

[Anonymous No.17879498]

>>17879487
Twitter got butthurt because a black American poet chose a white NoB to translate her shit into Dutch.
Rijneveld couldn't take the heat and backed out to give the job to someone with more correct.
She may be nonbinary, but she will always be a pussy.

[Anonymous No.17879504]

>>17879469
Why would anyone want to translate some she-boon's dogshit propaganda """'poems""""? God, Europeans are so fucking retarded, no wonder they're going extinct.

[Anonymous No.17879516]

I haven't read the novel because it got really heavily shit on in the London Review of Books, reinforcing the suspicion I had that the Rijneveld project is basically about having a really photogenic tranny - writing thinly veiled autobiography, making lit website frontpages, being the go to voice for the marginalised, but not really earning her stripes with the work.

>>17878867
Booker is obviously wildly inconsistent because they literally put a new judging panel out each year. Some are great, some are awful. Actually, Booker International has a much better hit rate, with most of the gongs going to actual high tier writers.

[Anonymous No.17879525]

>>17879483
Janice Deul is a Dutch journalist, maybe she's well known in the Netherlands, I'm not sure. She wrote this piece where she whines that Marieke is whyyyyyyte

https://www.volkskrant.nl/columns-opinie/opinie-een-witte-vertaler-voor-poezie-van-amanda-gorman-onbegrijpelijk~bf128ae4/

[Anonymous No.17879526]

>>17879516
>London Review of Books
What did they say?

[Anonymous No.17879529]

>>17879504
Europe's whiteness to self-loathing ratio is too dang high

[Anonymous No.17879532]

>>17874804
How many X chromosomes do they have?

[Anonymous No.17879536]

>>17879532
Two.

[Anonymous No.17879540]

>>17879461
Having them live in shit and killing them

[Anonymous No.17879545]

>>17879540
The woman is cleaning the cow shit and they seem to be milk cows.

[Anonymous No.17879551]

>>17879526
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n18/adam-mars-jones/cows-are-more-important

> This seems a case of transgression by numbers. A first novel that stakes everything on shock value is something of a tradition, whether or not its author goes on to show a wider range

>Rijneveld is a published poet, and goes to town with figurative language. The excuse for this within the text is that Jas has an overactive imagination, and a mind pushed by her religious upbringing towards both literalism and the finding of didactic analogies. It’s the rapidity of the processing that becomes preposterous.... This is barely controlled, closer to a tic than a way of looking at the world or an aspect of technique.

> all the attempts to soar into the upper air of pathology, provocation and metaphorical overload leave mere readers behind.


Honestly, by the standard of polite literary magazines, it's pretty fucking savage.

[Anonymous No.17879552]

>>17879498
Jesus Christ. The left eating their own reminds me of soviet commies snitching and killing each other lol

[Anonymous No.17879553]

>>17879545
Do you think they don’t kill milk cows?

[Anonymous No.17879564]

>>17879553
they only kill the milk cows when they can no longer produce enough milk to cover their costs of food and care

[Anonymous No.17879569]

>>17879525
wow she's literally racist

[Anonymous No.17879570]

>>17879564
How is it different from meat cows?

[Anonymous No.17879606]

>>17879467
>There are thousands, maybe millions of Black Dutch speakers that could really use the money.
So niggers aren't really dutch then, is that it? If they can really use some money, perhaps, then, they should work instead of lazying around.
Oh, I'm sorry, you're probably Jewish, my bad.

I'm sure that there's a lot of children that ought to be molested by niggers as well. Perhaps nigger children should get fucked up their asses and have their anuses filled with cum only by other nigger-men, just so they can feel included.

[Anonymous No.17879615]

>>17879570
Meat cows get killed immediately at maturity, milk cows get killed at late stage life or when they've been all milked out

> t. a dairy farmer once visited my school and talked for half an hour about milk cows

[Anonymous No.17879620]

>>17879615
I understand that retard

[Anonymous No.17879636]

>>17879606
???

[Anonymous No.17879637]

>>17874804
I basically want to beat this woman with an aspen sapling until she shuts her fucking mouth decides she'd rather be a mother and housewife than be beaten any more.

[Anonymous No.17879655]

>>17879636
A job's a job; if you distinguish people by their race for shit like this, giving them preferential treatment just because of their people, then, why shouldn't I discriminate against monkey niggers?
You said it yourself, niggers sticking up with niggers, euros with euros, kikes with kikes. And everyone should keep their side, their books, their maths, educations and what not, since that's clearly what you want.

If niggers want to read Lolita, I say, they should write their own nigger-version books, not that they can read or anything since they're niggers, which brings us back to my original point. Niggers can't even read, so, how are they even going to translate that in Dutch?

[Anonymous No.17879663]

>>17879467
>She did the right thing by stepping down from translating the Official US Youth Poet.
Because she's a nigger? So we don't want equality then, fine. Segregation's the key, fine.

I don't want my children molested by Jews either. Jews should molest their children, I suppose, not mine. And niggers, why should they speak dutch? They should speak their own ghetto nigger languages, fucking dumb dirty monkey sub-humans!

[Anonymous No.17879666]

>>17879655
There are black Dutch, most of them are Somali or children of Somalis

[Anonymous No.17879670]

>>17879637
Why?

[Anonymous No.17879674]

>>17879655
I'm not that anon but that anon was very obviously making a joke. Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.17879683]

>>17879666
So fucking what? They have nothing to do with American niggers; most likely didn't get there legally either. What's next? White-Dutch?
Oh, I meant to say Hungarian-Dutch, but I cannot say Somali-Dutch, it has to be a nigger-dutch. Because it's easier to call a nigger a nigger, I suppose than call a filthy nigger-ape a Dutch-man.
FUcking nigger-invaders is what they are, criminals, all of them.

>>17879674
Was he?

[Anonymous No.17879687]

Personally, I don't consider niggers Dutch and neither do they.

[Anonymous No.17879693]

>>17874804
A generic Final Fantasy character. Dye his hair of white, give him a katana and you have a fucking androgynous Sephiroth clone.

[Anonymous No.17879694]

>>17879670
Because it is right and just.

[Anonymous No.17879705]

>>17879694
It’s not

[Anonymous No.17879719]

>>17879504
I don't get it either, her (Marieke)'s writing is light years ahead of whatever the nigger has produced so far

[Anonymous No.17879763]

>>17879705
Oh but it is.

[Anonymous No.17879770]

>>17879504
>Why would anyone want to translate some she-boon's dogshit propaganda """'poems""""?
Because she wasn't beaten enough.

[Anonymous No.17879895]

>>17875032
There's a guy surfing in the sea, blindanon.

[Anonymous No.17879909]

>>17878751
>bullying tomboys
the dutch nation has no soul

[Anonymous No.17880135]

>>17878740
>noun
ow

[Anonymous No.17880187]

>>17879666
>he doesn't know about the Antilles and Suriname (yes, half of them are Asians, but we can pretend!)

[Anonymous No.17880355]

>>17874804
im the surfer in the backround, say something nice about me

[Anonymous No.17880371]

>>17874826
I don’t have a problem with them being androgynous but why do they have to co-author stories about beastiality with their mother? No thanks

[Anonymous No.17881041]

>>17879244
>I still believe in God, I never lost that. It’s different from when I was a child, less overbearing, less ‘magical’. But He is always present, just no longer in the foreground. I still carry the lessons from my biblical education with me – not just the love for fellow human beings, but the power of a unified community. I still miss that sometimes; having a community where everyone is there for each other.

>I also carry all the beautiful stories from the Bible with me. I learned a lot from the language, from the symbolism. You can argue about whether any of it really happened, but it’s even more beautiful to look at the ideas that lie behind it. From that alone you can infer that God stands for love. That is why I sometimes think it’s a shame that I grew up with such a punishing God. Mankind paints God as punishing, but the Bible isn’t meant to be. Of course, there are horrific stories in there – but when you look beyond that horror, there’s often a different meaning behind it.

How could you not love this boy?
https://www.anothermag.com/design-living/12955/marieke-lucas-rijneveld-interview-the-discomfort-of-evening-new-book

[Anonymous No.17881119]

>>17879466
Quite. It's even funny. The protagonist believes hidden jews are some kind of house-elves

[Anonymous No.17881149]

>>17879261
Seems like a spiritual zoomer though.

[Anonymous No.17881256]

>>17879553
They get much longer, confier lives than wild cattle on average.

If we were serious about minimizing animal suffering we'd hunt animals to extinction.

[Anonymous No.17881311]

>>17881256
Man, the emergence of predators was pure fucking evil. Clown world brother.

[Anonymous No.17881329]

>>17881256
I think the least we can do is not breed animals into existence just to hurt them.

[Anonymous No.17881447]

>>17881256
>much longer
not sure this is really true. cows don't have to worry about predators but get slaughtered at like 1 if raised for meat and around 6 if for dairy. wild cattle that avoid getting eaten by predators get way older than that

[Anonymous No.17881454]

>>17879170
>trannies
Is this individual transgender? If so, that's not apparent.

[Anonymous No.17881462]

>>17881119
Kek

[Anonymous No.17881465]

>>17881149
Harry Potter is a millennial thing.

[Anonymous No.17881502]

>>17881465
Billie Eilish and the fragmentary mystical Dutch Reformed dairy farming enby identity is not, however. Millennials are prosocial strivers who want to belong to a community of values.

[Anonymous No.17881594]

>>17881311
Our capacity to feel love and pity derives from the advantages of struggling together against the hostile reality around us compared to struggling alone. What we call goodness emerged from what we came to call evil. All creation comes from destruction.

>>17881329
Turning the whole wild into pa and ma farms would make for a world with less animal suffering still, because animals will keep being borned into pain without our intervention. Of course, paving over all the land and turning the sea into scum would make for the least painful Earth still.

But where would be the fun, beauty and grace in that?

>>17881447
>wild cattle that avoid getting eaten by predators
That is a very big if. Besides being riddled with parasites and coping with yearly draughts, they live in what is essentially a warzone with assassins looking for any signs of weakness on them.

[Anonymous No.17881618]

>>17881502
She's 29. That's categorically millennial. She was a 90s kid.

[Anonymous No.17881717]

>>17881618
People in their 20s have been Millenials for 15 years, anon. Someone born in the mid 90s couldn't possibly be a millenial as their formative years were spent in the 00s and 10s, when the millenials were supposedly getting into and leaving college.

[Anonymous No.17881751]

>>17874804
Is that the girl from Hanson??

[Anonymous No.17881775]

>>17881717
She was born in '91, not in the mid 90s, though. She's a millennial.

[Anonymous No.17881779]

>>17881465
Harry Potter is universal in ruining the reading habits of youths, millenial or zoomer or whatever arbitrary label you want to put on them. You don't think the 15 year old girls of today obsess about HP too?

[Anonymous No.17881784]

>>17881751
Mmmbop

[Anonymous No.17881792]

>>17881779
Not nearly as much as millennials did. HP exploded with millennial kids.

[Anonymous No.17881805]

>>17879170
That's not actually true anymore
In internet circles obviously male to female is more common but on general level in the last decade, the tables have turned but it's a fad if there ever was one in psychiatry
There were no such diagnoses until very recently

[Anonymous No.17881828]

>>17881618
That's why I said spiritual zoomer. Hewing to categorical definitions on an individual case is just silly when the question is of generational type rather than general heuristic. It's a spectrum, not a firm line in the sand, and a lot of people born in the '90s exhibit qualities of both the Buzzfeed striver millennial and the disaffected nonbinary zoomer, especially the cuspers (93-97). They aren't in that cohort but their style strikes one as predominantly zoomer.

[Anonymous No.17881836]

>>17881256
Brian Tomasik bites that bullet

[Anonymous No.17881884]

>>17879909
never had

[Anonymous No.17881923]

>>17881256
>>17881311
>>17881329
>>17881447
Imagine being such a weak person that you spend time bitching and moaning and worrying about the suffering of dumb animals.

[Anonymous No.17882257]

>>17881594
>But where would be the fun, beauty and grace in that?
Is there any of that in slaughterhouses?

[Anonymous No.17882264]

>>17881751
She does look like one of them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReR6VAYwUU0

[Anonymous No.17882384]

>>17879719
>poetic value is subjective
Hush child

[Anonymous No.17882509]

>>17875032
Transphobe

[Anonymous No.17882538]

>>17882509
Rijneveld is not trans.

[Anonymous No.17883179]

>>17881828
She probably drinks Monster and browses 4chan... heh...

[Anonymous No.17883230]

>>17879441
>“Timothée Chalamet, star of Call Me by Your Name – I want to be a beautiful boy.”
Awww man...

[Anonymous No.17883250]

>>17882538
The fuck is it then?

[Anonymous No.17883251]

>>17875032
some twitter/reddit lgbtqs are actually starting to identify as multiple people in one body, which is pretty schizo if you ask me

[Anonymous No.17883253]

>>17883250
Tomboy

[Anonymous No.17883278]

>>17883250
Non-binary. She likes to be called as her sims avatar, Lucas

[Anonymous No.17883424]

>>17883250
A tranny is someone who identities as the opposite gender. Marieke identifies as neither male nor female

[Anonymous No.17883444]

>>17883424
Transgenderism as an umbrella term encompasses enbies in addition to MtF and FtM. In that sense maybe Marieke is not a 'tranny' (which typically just means MtFs) but they are trans.

[Anonymous No.17883469]

>>17883278
So mental illness then?

[Anonymous No.17883506]

>>17883444
nuh-uh, that's some trans imperialism shit. NBs, genderqueer, third gender etc. are not trans. I guess queer is the overarching thing.

[Anonymous No.17883508]

>>17883444
I don't know the medical definition of the term, but using trans around lay people will make them think Marijke has committed to the opposite gender. She/he will probably do an Ellen/Elliot Page in a few years anyway, so then they'll definitely officially be trans

[Anonymous No.17883529]

>>17883424
They're considering hormones, that's trans enough for me

[Anonymous No.17883551]

>>17883506
You can say that if you like, but we all know the tucutes are going to win this war, anon.

[Anonymous No.17883583]

>>17883529
I re-read the part about hormones >>17879441

it doesn't sound like they are seriously considering it. It just seems like indecision

[Anonymous No.17883737]

>>17874804
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>>17883424
If gender is something that is determined by voluntary association, then I genuinely have no idea what it is. What basic phenomenon are people indicating by the word "gender" when they talk about it this way?
I've met women before who have unorthodox ways of talking about their relationship to gender - non-binary, agender, bi-gender, etc. In every case, it eventually becomes clear that they have a deeply compromised sense of their own femininity. Either someone did something terrible to them at a young age, they have a very bad relationship with their mother and father, or they have a deep sense (for whatever reason) that femininity is harmful and oppressive. So they adopt some novel gender identity as a cope. It's like they're trying, in some perverse way, to flip their compromised sense of self-hood around so that instead of just feeling passively victimised by it, they turn it into a label with an emancipatory social justice narrative so that they can demand that the world treat them in a certain way.
Whatever it is, it's clear to me that the women like this that I've interacted with experienced puberty - and the changes it brought to bear on them - in way that can only be described as traumatic. Their entire identity is a sad cope. Either they're trying to run from puberty entirely (agender), or they're trying to evade it and "take back control" by adopting a non-binary or bi-gendered identity. Notice how so few (if any) of them ever say that they're a man. If they adopt a male self definition, it's always that they're a "boy", a pre-pubescent male, but even then, there's almost never anything particularly "boyish" about them besides the clothes they wear or perhaps a name change. It's really just a choice of fashion at the most superficial level.
I don't think there's any substantive meaning to these terms. Nothing beyond male/female, boy/girl, man/woman, masculine/feminine exists. All these novel gender identities are just comping strategies.
Generally, when you watch how these women behave and talk when they aren't explicitly thinking about or trying to demonstrate their label to the world, you'll see that they are just as feminine, if not more so, than other women who have a more stable and healthy relationship to gender and their bodies.
Not saying that this applies to Rijneveld personally, it's just something I've noticed interacting with these types in the past.

[Anonymous No.17883773]

>>17883737
I've only met one real life trannie in my entire life, and it was at the lobby of a fucking ballet, where do you get so much interaction with these people

[Anonymous No.17883795]

>>17883737
Gender is not real. It's a term invented by American psychologist John Money in the 1950s. It's pure postmodernism.

[Anonymous No.17883807]

>>17883795
More like New Zealander but taught in the US*

[Anonymous No.17883844]

>>17883807
>John Money
Born in Morrinsville in the Waikato but buried in Baltimore City, Maryland.

[Anonymous No.17883983]

>>17883773
These people aren't trannies.

[Anonymous No.17883989]

>>17883795
>Gender is not real
What do you mean? Can you tell me what gender is and why it isn't real? The

[Anonymous No.17884119]

>>17883795
Imagine a last name that is literally (((Money)))

[Anonymous No.17884145]

>>17875068
>speak Dutch
Awful tip anon

[Anonymous No.17884346]

>>17874804
>HURRR LIKE AT ME
>I NEVER HAD TO GO THROUGH HARDSHIP
>I HAVE RICH AS FUCK PARENTS
>I LIVE IN THE NICEST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD
>MY INSIGHT MUST BE SOOOO VALUABLE
lol, disgusting, their work is worthless

[Anonymous No.17884361]

if ANYONE has legitimate photoshoots done of them, more photoshoots than like 1 a year, they can fucking die.
They are just shit

[Anonymous No.17884382]

>>17881041
>shirt worth more than 400 quid
strike 2

[Anonymous No.17884498]

>>17874804
>write a "novel"
>it is just you when you were 10
trash.

[Anonymous No.17884516]

>>17883737
it's just female histrionics + desire to paint themselves as a victim of some sort after having been one-upped by homos

[Anonymous No.17884530]

>>17884498
>it is you narrating how you used to touch boys' willies and how your dad used to shove pieces of soup through your ass

Kino

[Anonymous No.17884545]

>>17884530
is that really what writing wins rewards and earns you fame and fortune?
The protagonist is 10 years old.

[Anonymous No.17884944]

>>17884346
If Marieke were a legitimate male, you'd be falling over yourself to make posts about how based and knowing he is

[Anonymous No.17885382]

Boys are beautiful. I wish I could be one too

[Anonymous No.17885549]

>>17884944
Yeah, cos then he wouldn't be a hole.

[Anonymous No.17885583]

>>17879606
Imagine reading this:
>There are thousands, maybe millions of Black Dutch speakers
and getting triggered

[Anonymous No.17885628]

>>17875704
>>>/pol/ is that way, chud

[Anonymous No.17885830]

>>17879431
They must be smelly

[Anonymous No.17885862]

>>17874804
>say something nice to them
I only see one person there anon

[Anonymous No.17885907]

>>17883989
The what anon?
Also gender is as retarded as any other "identity" and it only serves mentally ill people to blame all their problems on

[Anonymous No.17885918]

>>17884944
Even if he was a man he'd be a mentally weak tranny worth no respect as well

[Anonymous No.17886023]

>>17874826
>Their major influences are the Harry Potter books and the Bible. They're the only dutch alive who believes in God
No, you are really, really wrong about the nature of that country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Belt_(Netherlands)

[Anonymous No.17886028]

>>17878845
>Who cares anon, I dislike most of those people because they are very rude and not because they choose to be a girl or a guy or neither whatever. Im not gonna be rude back tho, I like being kind and sincere
Based kind anon, blessed be you, don't let your soul be corrupted by this chan.

[Anonymous No.17886436]

>>17874804
These are the hands and feet of a man

[Anonymous No.17887172]

>>17884346
Imagine being this insecure

[Anonymous No.17888192]

>>17884944
No I would not.
I do not respect people born rich.
Those born rich never suffer, know of want or struggle.
Their insight is meaningless. You have to prove you are worth something if you are born in a rich place, to rich people, and never go without.
I can tell by looking at this person that they dream of themselves more than anything else.
The fact their novel is biographical says it all.

[Anonymous No.17888261]

>>17883737
This is more or less accurate, male and female in the sense of gender identity refers to what I’d call the software of the body (obviously there’s a hardware element also) but yes it stems from some developmental trauma that causes them to reject the identity that being male or female brings, identities provide a narrative structure to life and literally influence how people observe the world, so rejecting the traditional ones of male and female leaves these people open to believe absolutely anything. I can only feel immense pity for trannies, but their enablers are committing a terrible sin.

[Anonymous No.17888280]

>>17888192
Who do you even read, dude?

[Anonymous No.17888301]

>>17883773
Not that anon, but my high school clique of girls got hit BAD with the trans social contagion. Out of our group of 14, 2 are now full trans and 8 are some variation of nonbinary. What >>17883737
says is 100% accurate.
Not completely related, but "Have you noticed is that no one is straight anymore?" is something one of these NoBs actually said to me in college, not about our old friendgroup but about people in general. She knew no one who did not identify as some kind of queer (because I am chopped liver). This is how they think.

[Anonymous No.17889129]

she's a default snowflake, a crazy who's inclined to keep to herself, but crazy nonetheless

[Anonymous No.17889170]

>>17878768
did you just assume its gender, anon?
how rude of you

[Anonymous No.17889192]

>>17886436
no dutch women just look like blood borne characters

[Anonymous No.17889250]

>>17883737
This has been my conclusion dealing with actual enbies too, well put anon. They concieve of puberty as a mistake and want to be children again. It's infantalization and dress up.

[Anonymous No.17889515]

so...has anyone read the thing they wrote?
the absolute state of this board

[Anynomous No.17889544]

>>17875032
DAILY REMINDER:

It / that are gender-neutral pronouns.

[Anynomous No.17889550]

>>17889515
***It*** wrote. 'They' is plural. This is a literature board FFS.

[Anonymous No.17889556]

>>17874804
>>17874826
Did't know that plural entities can win awards now. So, /lit/ when are we postulating?

[Anonymous No.17889604]

>>17875032
Based and Truthpilled
>>17889544
trangloid cope

[Anynomous No.17889621]

>>17889604
>trangloid cope
What? I don't think any tranny wants to be called "it".

[Anonymous No.17889683]

>>17879441
>cracking a joke which was judged too offensive for the English edition of the novel.
wtf

[Anonymous No.17889689]

>>17879551
they sound butthurt

[Anonymous No.17889755]

>>17889550
>This is a literature board
>N-no language can't change over time!!! Reeeeee when Shakespeare made changes it was different!!
If this is a literature board we should discuss literature like my post stated instead of this culture war nonsense. Seethe.

[Anonymous No.17889814]

>>17889515
I did. Kino

[Anonymous No.17889872]

>>17889755
shakespeare was a white male so hes allowed to change the language. sorry troon.
>>17889515
weve already established troons cant write.

[Anonymous No.17889875]

>>17889550
Just say zij then, monolingual.

[Anonymous No.17889909]

>>17889872
you wouldn't know because you haven't read it (neither have I yet to be fair) but anyway how's your writing career going anon?

[Anonymous No.17889937]

>>17874804
Is nobody in this entire thread discussing the book lmao. I read the first 20 pages, it is alright so far, not exactly breathtaking but maybe it gets better later. Here is opening paragraph for those that are curious

I was ten and stopped taking off my coat. That morning, Mum had
covered us one by one in udder ointment to protect us from the cold. It
came out of a yellow Bogena tin and was normally used to prevent dairy
cows’ teats from getting cracks, calluses and cauliflower-like lumps. The
tin’s lid was so greasy you could only screw it off with a tea-towel. It
smelled of stewed udder, the thick slices I’d sometimes find cooking in a
pan of stock on our stove, sprinkled with salt and pepper. They filled me
with horror, just like the reeking ointment on my skin. Mum pressed her
fat fingers into our faces like the round cheeses she patted to check
whether the rind was ripening. Our pale cheeks shone in the light of the
kitchen bulb, which was encrusted with fly shit. For years we’d been
planning to get a lampshade, a pretty one with flowers, but whenever we
saw one in the village, Mum could never make up her mind. She’d been
doing this for three years now. That morning, two days before Christmas,
I felt her slippery thumbs in my eye sockets and for a moment I was
afraid she’d press too hard, that my eyeballs would plop into my skull
like marbles, and she’d say, ‘That’s what happens when your eyes are
always roaming and you never keep them still like a true believer, gazing
up at God as though the heavens might break open at any moment.’ But
the heavens here only broke open for a snowstorm – nothing to keep
staring at like an idiot.

[Anonymous No.17889965]

>>17889937
The sexual parts are kino

[Anonymous No.17890113]

>>17883773
Trying to date in university as a humanities student in a *very* progressive city.
>>17885907
All you're telling me is that you don't like gender for some obscure reason that you've yet to make clear.

[Anonymous No.17890620]

>>17889965
Nice armpit

[Anonymous No.17890630]

>>17889937
I started it earlier and it seems decent so far.

[Anonymous No.17890700]

>them
is he royalty?

[Anonymous No.17890813]

>>17890700
Queen of my heart indeed

[Anonymous No.17891521]

>>17889515
Their poetry is good

[Anonymous No.17891787]

>>17883989
Gender is a post-modern attempt to retain a definition of the soul as separate from the body while otherwise adhering to the physicalist orthodoxy. As if the brain is somehow capable of bearing sex markers distinct from those of the body. It's physicalized temple-pagan spiritualism popularized by a delusional Jew pedophile whose castration fantasies crept into his work and who permanently damaged the bodies and minds of gentile children for his sick pseudo-scientific tittilation.

[Anonymous No.17892053]

>>17888301
What can I say? Feminity is in crisis

[Anonymous No.17892288]

>>17874804
he looks like that child actor from Death in Venice

[Anonymous No.17892678]

>>17892288
Oh man...

[Anonymous No.17892873]

>>17879504
hahha xd xd based hahah you got em hahahha

[Anonymous No.17892899]

>>17883795
>>17884119
Man, imagine being named John Money
That'd be fucking sick

[Anonymous No.17892908]

>>17891787
Yikes!

[Anonymous No.17893256]

>>17891787
Are you saying freud invented gender?

[Anonymous No.17893274]

>tomboy

Problemático

[Anonymous No.17893298]

>>17893274
>they're cancelling tomboys
this is the LAST FUCKING STRAW

[Anonymous No.17893506]

>>17889550
>the driver of this car in front me is obviously drunk, they are swerving all over the road

[Anonymous No.17893508]

>>17874804
I thought Douglas Stuart won it

[Anonymous No.17893702]

>>17893506
That only makes sense if you don't know who the other person is.

>my wife in the car in front of me is obviously drunk, she is swerving all over the road.

When you know the other person's gender, then you use he/she. In this case, the author is a girl playing a boy. You could use either "he" or "she", but "they" doesn't sound right.

[Anonymous No.17893785]

>>17893702
I refer to pretty much everyone as they/them until they tell me what they prefer. It doesn't sound wrong at all to me, it's just natural. The only exceptions are people who are very obviously on one side of the binary or the other, and go out of their way to present that way.

[Anonymous No.17893810]

>>17874804
>>17892288
>>17892678
reminds me of Tom Odell

[Anonymous No.17893832]

>>17893785
In real life, once you see the other person it's safe to assume one or the other. Only adult-children get offended and throw tantrums by being misgendered. It's not my fault you can't properly present your gender, so don't get mad at me for assuming wrong.

[Anonymous No.17893851]

>>17874804
trans
transgender
transhuman
transhuman poster xi
eat i t
eat the sh it

[Anonymous No.17893856]

>>17889937
generic stream-of-consciousness. i've read other books that did the same thing much better. her attempts at poetic fancy are appreciative, but not particularly mind-blowing

[Anonymous No.17893902]

>>17893832
>In real life, once you see the other person it's safe to assume one or the other
I've met a lot of butch women, and a fair amount of early/pre-transition FtM trans men who look very similar to the butch women. It's not "safe" to assume, because I don't want to hurt their feelings, because I care about that sort of thing. I'm not worried about "tantrums" because I know 99% of misgendered people wouldn't so much as correct my mistake, let alone go off about it. But they would feel hurt, and I don't want to be responsible for that.

[Anonymous No.17894517]

Are the FtM transgenders the future of literature and art in general? They seem pretty based to me

[Anonymous No.17894543]

>>17883424
>actually, I don't partake in that substance!
>*ceases to be and disappears*

[Anonymous No.17894547]

>>17894517
they're still women, so that's a big no

[Anonymous No.17894620]

>>17879431
15 seconds in she started taking clothes off and I was like wtf is this degenerate shit.

[Anonymous No.17894654]

>>17894517
they will make good trans books but because they are so fixated on transness many will miss out on the greater symphony of literature. i can imagine one of them breaking that mold, but she'll have to come to that same determination.

[Anonymous No.17894877]

>>17893785
>The only exceptions are people who are very obviously on one side of the binary or the other, and go out of their way to present that way.
That's literally over 99% of the population.

[Anonymous No.17895012]

>>17894877
Depends on the people you choose to surround yourself with. I don't interact with 99% of the population, and the people I choose to be around are much more likely to be some kind of queer than the people I don't.

[Anonymous No.17895025]

>>17875068
Hmm ik wil schattige gebaseerde femboy vrouw die in God gelooft en mij afzuigt terwijl ik the Bijbel lees hjajajja

[Anonymous No.17895044]

>>17879451
Well I lived in the Netherlands but I moved away and never read it so I can't be of much help :(

[Anonymous No.17895525]

>>17888301
>1 person says 1 thing
>that's how they think
Absolutely hopeless

[Anonymous No.17896383]

>>17894517
Paul Preciado is based

[Anonymous No.17896399]

>>17894620
that's just a dutch thing (being degen that is)
they currently have a childrens show in which they bring out old full-frontal naked people and parade them around in the face of a group of kids standing there.

[Anonymous No.17896404]

>>17895025
>mij afzuigt
absoluut bederfelijk

[Anonymous No.17896879]

>>17874804
I want to have dozen of buttbabies with him.

[Anonymous No.17897218]

>>17889683
>>cracking a joke which was judged

Who judged that?

[Anonymous No.17897281]

>>17879441
>>17879451
>>17879460
>>17889683
>>17897218
For those of you who want to know what the joke was that was removed from the English translation, it's this:

>Waarom pleegde Hitler zelfmoord? Omdat hij de gasrekening niet kon betalen.
(Why did Hitler commit suicide? Because he couldn't afford to pay the gas bill.)

[Anonymous No.17897324]

>>17897281
THAT got cut? It’s a fucking middle school joke. What the FUCK. I was expecting some real taboo shit, not something you’d hear on SNL

[Anonymous No.17897347]

>>17897281
The translator:
>Faber & Faber wanted to prevent readers feeling uncomfortable [...]. The British book audience is less tolerant of and more sensitive to discrimination than the Dutch. English publishers approach so-called 'sensitivity readers' more and more frequently to read manuscripts for things to which readers might take offense.
https://www.volkskrant.nl/cultuur-media/hoofdpersoon-jas-heet-ook-in-het-engels-gewoon-jas~b0f6b791/
(Also, Sinterklaasjournaal becomes a 'pre-Christmas show' -- Piet-less, it goes without saying.)

[Anonymous No.17897585]

>>17897281
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF ANGLOS

[Anonymous No.17897607]

>>17897347
anglos seriously destroyed the world and have the audacity to still be pussies

[Anonymous No.17897695]

>>17874804
>237 posts
>87 IPs
>pic related
disappointing

[Anonymous No.17897917]

>>17897695
There was soup inside the ass, somewhere in this thread.

[Siel Eval (Will Assertion Club(...) !f1O4nZqEoY No.17898305]

Hot boy, they should follow me instead of translating garbage poetry.

[Anonymous No.17898602]

>dutch poet
>flat dyke
Now that's poetry

[Anonymous No.17898672]

>>17898602
No one knows her sexuality. She's probably bi

[Anonymous No.17898725]

>>17898672
It was a joke. She is flat-chested and comes from a country that is topographically level. Her appearance is reminiscent of a masculine lesbian or bisexual woman and her country is known for it's dykes. Scratch all of that, because I just realized I was thinking of the Netherlands this whole time. But seeing as I'm an American and forget basic geography it looks like the irony comes entirely from myself.

[Anonymous No.17899073]

>>17898672
>>17898725
>she

[Anonymous No.17899093]

>>17874804
Why you say "them" ?

[Anonymous No.17899179]

>>17899093
because that's how they prefer to be referred as to themselves
it's literally free to respect their humanity and existence (plus it's wholesome 100 and like makes you not a nazi)

[Anonymous No.17899319]

>>17899179
Misnaming things is not respecting existence, but the opposite. Marieke Lucas Rijneveld is an individual, so 'they' doesn't make a lot of sense to use. When I am at work identifying animals I don't use 'they' to refer to individual animals with indeterminate sex, I use 'it' or 'that'.
>That pig walked away
>It went right
>He went right
>She went right
vs.
>They went right
Here there is confusion to someone that can't see what I am seeing. Either 'they' is a single pig of indeterminate sex or a group of pigs. To properly refer to someone as 'they' if it is their preference I would have to know the person, but it I saw a person and couldn't determine their gender through sight it would make more sense to call them 'it'.

[Anonymous No.17899340]

>>17898725
> Scratch all of that, because I just realized I was thinking of the Netherlands this whole time
The Dutch are from the Netherlands you retard. We don’t call them “netherlandish”

[Anonymous No.17899488]

Aww man

[Anonymous No.17899534]

>>17892053
Yeah, it's a matter of female fragility.

[Anonymous No.17900069]

>>17899179
On its like the nobility or like gollum I get it.

[Anonymous No.17900130]

>>17874804
I fucking hate living in a landlocked country. If I'd live near the sea I would go there everyday at least once, I'd eat fish everyday, I'd sleep everyday under the soft rythm of the waves, I'd rejoice everyday with the salty wind that'd come through my window, I'd befriend fishermen and go with them on trips, I'd spend hours watching the sun melting into the sea and ships crossing the oceans, I'd go for night walks on the beach and feel the cold of the wind, I'd be so happy there.

[Anonymous No.17900612]

>>17900130
That's nice. Is it yours, Anon?

[Anonymous No.17900616]

>>17897281
We just need to ban women from the publishing industry desu. Working with woke young women on anything culture related is impossible. Sorry, maybe they're nice but they have a disease of the mind.

[Anonymous No.17900626]

>>17900612
Straight outta my landlocked hellhole

[Anonymous No.17900719]

>>17898725
what's more, we have a parable about The Boy Who Put His Finger in the Dyke

[Anonymous No.17900877]

>Thanks for taking me to a date, Anon!

[Anonymous No.17900926]

>>17900877
t-thanks you too

[Anonymous No.17900953]

>>17894517
Mentally ill women on testosterone are the end of literature and art in general

[Anonymous No.17900956]

>>17874826
Looks like Beck or some 90s alt rock singer

[Anonymous No.17900966]

>tfw you posted your picture online once and someone asked if you were a FtM when you are cis male with a dick

[Anonymous No.17900974]

>>17874804
Of course the Booker prize winner is "non-binary."

What a crock of fucking shit. Each and every passing year the bar gets lowered.

[Anonymous No.17901340]

>>17899073
What? She's a she

[Anonymous No.17901425]

>>17893274
Oh no no no no

[Anonymous No.17901523]

>>17889937
Why is this broken into lines? This would still be a good paragraph if it wasn’t broken into lines. I can’t figure out a pattern or scheme.

[Anonymous No.17901972]

>>17901523
The Anon copied the text from an ebook, that's why it cut into lines... idiot

[Anonymous No.17902233]

She looks so cute in suit

[Anonymous No.17902490]

>>17875381
>supposed to translate the biden inauguration poem, but declined under pressure because she was not black.
holy shit i thought you were joking i cant believe this is true lmaoo