/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17850184]

Please tell me about Italian literature. Except Dante because I already know about him.

[Anonymous No.17850197]

It's quite big, what are you interested in specifically?

[Anonymous No.17850201]

Dante -> petrarch -> boccaccio

[Anonymous No.17850206]

Made this yesterday. Some anon told me it should be divided by genres, because it's not very informative.

[Anonymous No.17850217]

>>17850197
Genuinely something like this >>17850206
lol

[Anonymous No.17850232]

Pirandello for existensialism, Verga and De Roberto for italian naturalism and realism, Italo Calvino, Alberto Moravia, Elio Vittorini for neorealism, D'annunzio and Pascoli for decadentism, Ugo Tarchetti for italian boheme novel, Italo Svevo for psychoanalytical romance, Leopardi, Foscolo, Saba are example of poetry. There is also plenty of good meieval-reinassance stuff (Cavalvsnti, Petrarca, Boccaccio, Ariosto, Boiardo, Tasso, Bembo, Galilei) and a lot of more recent stuff

[Anonymous No.17850251]

>>17850217
Feel free to ask about the chart. Not all of that is a must-read, of course, and there's a lot of different genres included.

Full size picture: ibb.co tQ4fzP4

[Anonymous No.17850254]

>>17850206
Don't listen to the haters bro you rule don't let them drag you down man keep up the good work hell yeah king

[Kirby Kyle No.17850381]

>>17850184
This picture is all you need to know about it.

[Anonymous No.17850470]

>>17850206
Considering i've read Burckhardt and a book on the Medici what bit of theory should i read next?

[Anonymous No.17850508]

This picture is all you need to know about it.

[Anonymous No.17850554]

>>17850206
Orlando Furioso more like Kinoso amirite

[Anonymous No.17850609]

>>17850184
Italian literature keeps being highly inaccessible because Italian is one the most difficult languages to translate. Full of influences from Latin, Greek, dialects, local idioms, popular sayings, etc. Sometimes a new gem pops up in the market, and it's always good. Most recently Dissipatio H.G. by Guido Morselli. Poetry from the 19th-20th centuries is also vastly unknown. Personally I see a problem of incommunicability between cultures, because if there was the will anything could be translated and popularized (when even Finnegans Wake was translated).

[Anonymous No.17850640]

>>17850184
Are those Neapolitan novels any good?

[Anonymous No.17850673]

>>17850609
>>17850609
This. Italian litterature is extremely vast, diverse and complex, both ideologically and linguistically. The vast majority of authors that are famous in Italy and that are taught in school are completely unknown here.

[Anonymous No.17851430]

What Neapolitan novels?

[Anonymous No.17851472]

>>17850640
What Neapolitan novels?

[Anonymous No.17851650]

Whats a good Italian website/ magazine? Something modern so that my vocabulary isn't too outdated .

[Anonymous No.17851692]

>>17851650
lintellettualedissidente.it

[Anonymous No.17851717]

>>17850217

[Anonymous No.17851882]

>>17850609
And Italian is kinda difficult to learn, when you try to go beyond a conversational level. English is comparatively easy.

[Anonymous No.17851890]

>>17850609
And Italian is kinda difficult to learn, when you try to go beyond a conversational level. English is comparatively easy

[Anonymous No.17851903]

>>17850232
This pretty much just search on internet the Italian high school literature program and read what you find interesting

[Anonymous No.17851904]

>>17851882
>>17851890
Any language at a literay level is harder than that at a casual level but still, Italian is one of the easiest languages. What's your native language?

[Anonymous No.17851913]

>>17851903
Most of the best stuff is not what you "read" at school though

[Anonymous No.17851999]

Any recommendations for a linguistically simple book?

Some modern YA would probably work best. I'm halfway through the first Nicolas Eymerich novel, but I still have to look up a dozen words per page.

[Anonymous No.17852039]

>>17851999
Elena Ferrante maybe? Or Licia Troisi if you like fantasy.

[Anonymous No.17852050]

>>17851999
I'm Italian and one of my cousins wrote and published a few YA novels when he was a teen, but I won't wrote them because:
1)They're pretty much unknown
2)He has the same surname as me

Anyway, I might suggest to you "Una questione privata" by Fenoglio, a book often read in middle schools, so I think it's accessible

[Anonymous No.17852098]

>>17852039
>>17852050
I'll check those out, thanks!

[Anonymous No.17852120]

>>17851650
Bump this

[Anonymous No.17852182]

>>17850184
I've learnt about Pareto from a traditionalist/Evola standpoint and a practical business standpoint (supply-chain logistics).

[Anonymous No.17852193]

>>17852182
that's Vilfredo Pareto by the way.
(same anon here)

[Anonymous No.17852202]

>>17851904
Deutsch

[Anonymous No.17852309]

>>17851913
I mean it’s up to the student to read it if he’s interested but I don’t really agree with you there are reasons as to why they are studied.
I mean prove me wrong give me some recommendations on what you think is the “best”.

[Anonymous No.17852455]

>>17851692
lmao no that is some serious shit. If you're interested in philosophy you can go for lavoroculturale.org, euronomade, scienza e filosofia... if you're interested in something in something more easier to read go for the vision or the submarine

[Anonymous No.17852475]

Can someone make a fiction chart? I honestly don't care about anything else

[Anonymous No.17852491]

>>17851650
if you're interested in philosophy

https://www.doppiozero.com/ (literature and philosophy)
https://not.neroeditions.com/ (postmodernism)
https://www.scienzaefilosofia.com/ (commistion of science and philosophy)
https://www.lavoroculturale.org/
http://www.euronomade.info/ (operaism)

[Anonymous No.17852495]

>>17852309
Daniello Bartoli is for the Italian prose what Dante is for Italian poetry. Yet he's hardly even mentioned at school.

[Anonymous No.17852500]

>>17852491
>https://not.neroeditions.com/
Fuck off you dumb hipster

[Anonymous No.17852528]

>>17852500
I also don't really appreciate them but if one is into postmodernism it might be a good resource. scienza e filosofia and maybe doppiozero are top tier.

[Anonymous No.17852569]

>>17852491
Thank man, ill definitely make use of these.
BTW whats up with all the socialist magazines? i know Italy has had a significant socialist tradition since before the war but considering how last dozen elections you wouldn't think it's got much presence anymore .
Is it just elites? the young ? the old? the metropolitan?
I don't think i've seen a single popper right wing publication

[Anonymous No.17852668]

>>17852569
>>17852569
I consider myself a communist therefore I suggested you what I read more. Far-leftism is still by far the ideology that italian intellectuals are more interested in. If you're more interested in right shit I guess go for "l'italiano dissidente".
The vast majority of italians - which is definitely not the target of italian philosophy webzines - is splitted between an edulcored leftism compromised with capitalism and Salvini's right which is basically the italian version of Trump.

[Anonymous No.17852770]

>>17852668
Im not really right or left, i try to read a balance of both, im just surprised to see how large the gulf is between the average voter and the elites. Of what i know of current Italian politics you are not likely to be in power any time soon. Where does your political future lie? What are you hoping for?

[Anonymous No.17852851]

>>17852770
The gulf between intellectual elite and masses is huge, on one side you have people which maybe are reading books 8 hours a day to prepare their phd's, on the other you have people who scroll facebook or instagram 24/7. I think the gap is widening everywhere.

I've ceased to hope in a violent revolution in the '60s -'70s style some years ago, at this point I'm just hoping in the tendency of the rate of profit to fall. Many leftist protagonist of the '60-'70s like Bifo and Negri are placing their bets on tech workers, aside from watching peculiar events like BLM or France's gilet jaunes. Anyway I'm not too much into this stuff lately (lack of time), so you better read about it by yourself from the sources I mentioned.

[Anonymous No.17852912]

>>17852528
I own some of their Not editions, they're good but I can't stand the fucking hipster pose

[Anonymous No.17852936]

>>17852912
Which ones do you own? They're translating Yuk Hui if I don't go wrong which should be interesting

[Anonymous No.17852957]

>>17852851
sorry if im turning this int a Q&A but i am genuinely curious about these things.

From the outside in European leftism seems dependent, a little like popular culture, on imports from the US. Having a look at things like iltascabile is it all as much identity politics, BLM, race and gender theory as it seems?

Is there a European or Italian Socialism ?

[Anonymous No.17852961]

>>17850381
Pasolini’s novels are garbage. Disappointing because I like some of his films

[Anonymous No.17853120]

>>17852957
Italian leftism looks with interest at all the stuff you mentioned but also at the economic rivendications that are going on especially in Bay Area afaik. There are for sure great expectations towards US, which is ironic if we look at our and your past. There is not an italian socialism outside of elite/academics, but there are still traces of the pseudo-socialism that was going on in the '60s which brought for example to a big national Amazon strike yesterday. Aside from that there is a growing number of poor people without class consciousness: if this problem won't be resolved soon, their revolts' will probably lead to a para-fascist military coup, if you ask me.

[Anonymous No.17853291]

>>17850206
how many of these have you read?

[Anonymous No.17853357]

>>17853120
>There is not an italian socialism outside of elite/academics

This saddens me. The lack of a European alternative to the US, both in terms of culture and, to a lesser extent, politics, is a great source of sadness to me. The future of Europe looks to be that of comfortable stagnation
and It seems a darn shame for Italy to remain a museum, an admittedly a well stocked museum, but a museum still.

Getting back to literature, i have a little French and German and it's been socking to see how much the publishing industry's there is turning towards US style YA, social justice trend chasing.
While not being at all anti American, the thought that anyone is looking there for inspiration does not, i think, bode well not matter which politics prevail.

[Anonymous No.17853422]

>>17852936
Bifo's Futurability, Mark Fisher, Timothy Morton, Eugene Thacker and Ian Svenonius. I wanted to get Donna Haraway's book but I never found the time. Also, I'm not sure if I still want to read it after The Great Reset.

Incidentally, with due respect, the conversation you're carrying on with the other anon is kinda ruining the thread. Instead of Italian literature we talk about politics and hipster magazines? Being leftist or right-wing is pointless anyway, we're all fighting against the same enemy which we all hate, some because of >muh poverty, some because of >muh culture. It's literally the same, capitalism destroys everything that both the lower-class and the upper-class care about. Believing that the myh of class conflict makes any sense nowadays (unless it is conflict between the vast majority and the small handful of beasts who rule the banks) is madness.

I'm not interested in participating in a political discussion anyway.

[Anonymous No.17853443]

>>17853357
I agree but I (optimistically) think countries now dependent from US will be able to decolonize themselves in the future, hopefully without falling in old nationalisms.

[Anonymous No.17853472]

>>17853357
>it's been shocking to see how much the publishing industry's there is turning towards US style YA, social justice trend chasing
You're right. Despite remaining one of the best in Europe (imo), the Italian publishing industry is slowly transitioning towards the American rubbish you talk about. Damnit, even the most perfect and untouchable Adelphi has published some >dude Silicon Valley lmao! kind of trash, recently.

[Anonymous No.17853487]

>>17853443
>without falling in old nationalisms
Define the time period of such nationalisms.

[Anonymous No.17853571]

>>17853472
>Adelphi
That's sad, they are without a doubt the best Italian publisher. I have a thrift sore find of 4 Croce books in the old Adelphi style: smaller and with a textured cover, a little like the old penguins but considerably better made, that im slowly making my way through.

Paperbarks are just too big these days, while i can fit those old Adelphi's into a trouser pocket and be off.

[Anonymous No.17853586]

>>17853443
we can only hope.
Anyway i wont clog up this thread anymore but thank you for the info. Not being in Europe its all a bit of a mystery.

[Anonymous No.17853686]

>>17853586
>i wont clog up this thread anymore
(I didn't mean to push you out, now I feel bad for it... It's just that I hate politics so goddamn much, and this board talks of nothing else)

[Anonymous No.17853778]

>>17853686
It's alright mate.

to get everyone back on track i did just finish Malaparte's Kaputt and found it self serving and untrustworthy, but effective. I left it feeling like shit but I'll definitely try La Pelle sometime later.
With D'annunzio and Marinetti I've been unintentionally of doing a survey of Fascist literature. All surprisingly enjoyable.

Keeping with the Fascist theme what should i read now?

[Anonymous No.17853819]

>>17853778
There's Tomasi di Lampedusa who was a conservative, and Guido Morselli who had an antipathy toward communists.
Papini is also very good, and unjustly forgotten.

[Anonymous No.17853939]

>>17853422
You should check out Inventare il futuro from Not, i'm really tempted to try their feminist catalogue

[Anonymous No.17853950]

>>17852961
Petrolio I thought was very interesting

[Anonymous No.17853954]

>>17853950
It's the only good book he wrote

[Anonymous No.17854327]

>>17853120
>will probably lead to a para-fascist military coup, if you ask me
No need for that to happen bro. They already installed Draghi preemptively to curb all opposition.