Hermeticism

[Anonymous No.17833282]

What's the TL;DR on hermeticism and the occult? Have they actually discovered anything useful or is it just one giant LARP?

I can't seem to shake the idea that it seems as though the early occultists/alchemists were tricked into transmitting mathematical concepts under the guise of spiritualism and just never caught on once science and mathematics entered the public consciousness. It may have made things like geometry more palatable for a generally more irrational society with a proclivity for religious thought.

I remember seeing this TED talk where this guy went to visit this tribe in Africa who had knowledge of some distant star system. Anyway, that wasn't the interesting part nor the subject of the talk. The interesting part was that part of this tribe's religion included this number system that is essentially a precursor to binary and boolean algebra and had been passed on from generation to generation for at least 12,000 years and kept rather esoteric. What's fascinating is that this eventually made it's way to Arab Alchemist and then to Leibniz and through him eventually to Bool himself, so there's a direct lineage between this African tribe's esoteric tradition and the advent of modern computing.

However, what haunts me is the question of why this tribe had this tradition in the first place? Religions tend to be about the propagation of collective wisdom and thus naturally end up pertaining mostly to the invariant aspects of human existence such as morality. So why the fuck would they pass on the binary number system when its only significant use case is for computation, which they couldn't have known about 12,000 years ago? Remember, this tribe's tradition is *explicitly* responsible for the development of computers. There's no argument to be had on that. It's where and why this tradition developed that's the mystery and spooky as fuck.

[Anonymous No.17833294]

Bruh who tf is this nigga??

[Anonymous No.17833319]

>>17833282
Start with Cosmic Trigger, then Prometheus Rising. Then The Kybalion and the Secret Teachings of All Ages. Then read the Introduction to Magic series by Julius Evola. That should open up the door.

[Anonymous No.17833333]

>>17833319
Skip anything RAW wrote and jump straight into the real deal shit like The Kybalion, Manly P Hall, Rudolf Steiner, Dione Fortune, etc.

Evola is good but better read after you familiarized yourself with the wider occult community. Traditionalists tend to get too happy with autofellatio even though they get alotta things right.

[Anonymous No.17833378]

>>17833333
checked

[Anonymous No.17833399]

>>17833282
ancient aliens trolling us into building AI to enslave us. The aliens are patient.

[Anonymous No.17833405]

>>17833319
>>17833333
Skip The Kybalion and read the Corpus Hermeticum.
Then unironically make this exact same thread on /x/ because someone on there probably has a mega file full of this type of shit.

[Anonymous No.17833412]

>>17833282
>Have they actually discovered anything useful or is it just one giant LARP?
Ye, your ability to type make this thread for instance

[Anonymous No.17833413]

>>17833282

https://www.ted.com/talks/ron_eglash_the_fractals_at_the_heart_of_african_designs/transcript?language=en

You talking about this?

[Anonymous No.17833425]

>>17833319
>>17833333

Ignore these anons

>>17833405

Listen to this anon.

Wilson has absolutely no good books worth reading beyond Science of Breath and Oriental Occultism. The Kybalion is Hermetic fanfiction and there is no point in reading it when there is Corpus Hermeticum. Manly Hall is alright and is a fine place to start.

[Anonymous No.17833438]

>>17833425
get >>17833333 anon here you're right about hitting CH first, I should have mentioned it, but the Kybalion actually is a good book if you know how to apply it. People get filtered by either it's apparently simplicity or hung up on whether it's an "authentic" Hermetic text or not, when that's completely irrelevant versus the actual concepts.

[Anonymous No.17833460]

>>17833438

Kybalion is hermetic philosophy. You are probably never going to cite it while doing any kind of occultic work. Learning hermeticism and alchemy from Kybalion is like trying to learn about Jung through Jordan Peterson. It'll get you interested at first, but that's it.

[Anonymous No.17833477]

>>17833460
Not really, the key to making the most out of it is literally in the Law of Correspondences, and understanding that while it places most emphasis on the Mind aspect of God, it curiously makes little mention of the Will aspect.

I come from a more Kabalistic background, so that's my take.

[Anonymous No.17833478]

>>17833294
Das tha moon nigga

[Anonymous No.17833482]

>>17833282
Hermeticism is just upbeat Gnosticism.

[Anonymous No.17833498]

>>17833282
>precursor to binary and boolean algebra
>Leibniz and through him eventually to Bool himself

This isn't true. Leibniz got the idea of binary from the I Ching and the way the hexagrams were listed. I don't know that Bool even knew what binary was, he just thought in terms of true and false. C S. Peirce was the first to think of electrical signals in terms of logic gates and binary

[Anonymous No.17833536]

>>17833477

Don't like ragging on the point but the Principals are just something Atikinson made up because giving a discipline principals was a la mode at the time. Geology used to have principals. Kybalion seems like a flashpoint for me where it starts to lose resemblance to tradition.

Yes, Law of Correspondence is important .. to a generation of stuffy victorian era esotoric orders.

[Anonymous No.17833547]

>>17833536
I disagree, you'll find many other occultists making reference to the Law of Correspondence without ever referencing or having read the Kybalion. It's just a principle that exists just like gravity, only the Kybalion just so happens to take these great principle and put them in a simple, codified form.

[Anonymous No.17833552]

>>17833282
Hermeticism is just written Shamanism. Check out shamanism and then hermeticism

[Anonymous No.17833577]

>>17833413
Yes that's the talk.
>>17833498
Watch this video:

https://www.ted.com/talks/ron_eglash_the_fractals_at_the_heart_of_african_designs/transcript?language=en

The speaker states that Leibniz adapted the idea from alchemy and geomancy and that he explicitly states this in his work De Arte Combinatoria.

[Anonymous No.17833609]

>>17833577
The I Ching is a chinese fortune telling thing. Pic is of the hexagrams easy to see where binary comes from when they're listed

[Anonymous No.17833641]

>>17833577
Leibniz studied binary numbering in 1679; his work appears in his article Explication de l'Arithmétique Binaire (published in 1703). The full title of Leibniz's article is translated into English as the "Explanation of Binary Arithmetic, which uses only the characters 1 and 0, with some remarks on its usefulness, and on the light it throws on the ancient Chinese figures of Fu Xi". Leibniz's system uses 0 and 1, like the modern binary numeral system.

That talk is the usual TED bullshit.

[Anonymous No.17833647]

>>17833609
I've used the I Ching to make decisions over the past few years.

I wouldn't recommend it.

[Anonymous No.17833659]

>>17833647
I mean it's fortune telling crap what do you expect? Leibniz just noted the way the hexagrams were assigned to numbers that's the only significance it has.

[Anonymous No.17833670]

>>17833282
Greco-Egyptian paganism/mysteries in a plausibly deniable form with later Christian Neo-Platonic/Kabbalist thought

[Anonymous No.17833675]

>>17833647

You're only supposed to consult the oracle if you're completely lost and unsure of what do. Not to make decisions.

[Anonymous No.17833694]

>>17833647
Did you meditate on your question before casting the coins or sticks?

[Anonymous No.17833701]

>>17833282
>early occultists/alchemists were tricked into transmitting mathematical concepts under the guise of spiritualism and just never caught on once science and mathematics entered the public consciousness
This is honestly so funny and embarrassing. People thought people of antiquity were the equivalent of native americans afraids of the white man's fire.. people are are least as retarded as they've ever been.
Religion is not just a larp. Philosophy is about virtue and character, everything else is probably gay, either literally or figuratively. Not this pathetic nominalistic trash created by minds that haven't escaped the gutters of hypocrisy

[Anonymous No.17833761]

>>17833701
I don't think Religion is a LARP, just that occultism/alchemy is. I'm willing to be proven wrong though.

[Anonymous No.17833771]

Hermeticism to me is just a system of applying underutilized schools of thought (namely Trismegistus and Egyptian mythology) as an overlay onto other understandings of the world. Not as a replacement for traditional philosophy and Christianity, but another integration into them.

Just read the Corpus Hermeticum and the Kybalion. The rest of whatever esotericism you need can be found in other sources like Neoplatonism rather than contemporary Atlantis-UFO woo woo bullshit.

[Anonymous No.17833773]

>>17833641
De Arte Combinatoria predates Explication de l'Arithmétique Binaire by at least 13 years. The only thing that Leibniz got from the I Ching is the symbolic use of 1s and 0s. The actual concept of the binary system he had much earlier and can be traced back to Bamana sand divination.

[Anonymous No.17833791]

>>17833694
Oft times, yeah.

[Anonymous No.17833795]

>>17833773
There isn't even a translation of De Arte Combinatoria online and I can't read Latin. Given the BS the speaker said about Bool I'm calling BS on the African stuff influencing Leibniz.

[Anonymous No.17833801]

>>17833675
That's why I did it anon, I was completely lost and unsure where to go.

It's wisdom helps with suggestions on how to approach certain matters, the right frame of mind, conduct etc.

Still can't say I've benifited from it though.

[Anonymous No.17833823]

>>17833282
All occultism is a waste of time, you will read book after book, one practise after another and realise you have learned nothing.

Just stick to the great books and science and combine it with healthy living. Science is the true occult.

[Anonymous No.17833851]

>>17833823
Hylics are not welcome here.

[Anonymous No.17833859]

A suggestive inquiry into the hermetic mystery : with a dissertation on the more celebrated of the alchemical philosophers : being an attempt towards the recovery of the ancient experiment of nature

[Anonymous No.17833864]

>>17833859
And of course Evola's The Hermetic Tradition

[Anonymous No.17833868]

>>17833795
What did he say that was BS about Boole? Sounds like your real issue stems from what continent the "stuff" originated from.

[Anonymous No.17833880]

>>17833868
He said Boole used binary when Boole just talked about true and false. Where it comes from doesn't matter to me I said above that the I Ching is a load of crap. The only thing significant about it is the numbering of the hexagrams and that is incidental to the divination parts. There is not some esoteric knowledge being passed on, Leibniz discounted and ignored that crap.

[Anonymous No.17833891]

>>17833795
>I'm calling BS on the African stuff influencing Leibniz
It's better to fade any academician and occultist who push the WE WUZ KANG N' PHILOSOPHERS N' SHIET revisionist theory.

[Anonymous No.17833902]

>>17833868
And the only thing I can find online is from the very same TED speaker. He's full of shit.

[Anonymous No.17833973]

>>17833880
Are you retarded? True and false are still a binary system. Did you even watch the video? The video isn't about the occult, it's just about math and fractals. No one claimed that any esoteric knowledge was being passed down to Leibniz, just that the abstractions were and that they just happened come from esoteric circles.

[Anonymous No.17833979]

>>17833282
>ctrl+f
>Couliano
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[Anonymous No.17833986]

>>17833973
Binary is a positional base 2 number system. The recognition that binary numerals could represent true and false as well was useful in designing computers. You don't know what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.17834027]

>>17833986
What I'm trying to wrap my head around is how you can stand to disagree with the things stated in the video when it so clear that you haven't even watched it. No one is talking about base 2 retard. The system used by the African tribes is a binary system for generating deterministic chaos. Beats me why they run that algorithm and what it has to do with their religion, but its implications are well documented.

[Anonymous No.17834030]

>>17833482
Gnosticism is just edgy Hermeticism.

[Anonymous No.17834040]

>>17834027
I did watch it and it's bullshit. If he's not talking about binary numbers why mention Leibniz inventing binary numbers? And Boole hadn't even read Leibniz when he wrote the Laws of Thought.

[Anonymous No.17834057]

>>17834027
Explanation of Binary Arithmetic by Leibniz is just an explanation of binary numbers along with some examples of basic arithmetic done with them. No logical propositions at all

[Anonymous No.17834075]

So if I know magic is bullshit are any of these still worth a read?

[Anonymous No.17834084]

>>17834075
Not for you.

[Anonymous No.17834097]

>>17833823
Inordinately cringe, back to fucking Rebbit with this bill nye tier bullshit

[Anonymous No.17834127]

>>17834084
That's fair. Enjoy your studies anyway mate.

[Anonymous No.17834184]

>>17834097
Yeah bro, you've got insight into the mysteries of the universe, that's why you're wasting your life posting on 4chan. You and ol' Chris Chandler, the meeting of the minds here in this elite astral plane lmfao

[Anonymous No.17834284]

Whenever I'm about to share this I get a weird feeling. Certainly if it becomes popular the corruption of men's hearts willlead to misinterpreted misuse and bullshit.
But for it to remain unknown and forgotten is perhaps a greater sin.
Anyway... Hermetocism is nothing but codified Egyptian lore, the oldest Scriptures.

>The Leiden Hymns to Amun

The Ennead (1) combined is Your body.
Every god joined in Your body, is Your image.
You emerged first, You inaugurated from the start.
5 Amun, whose name is hidden from the gods.
Oldest elder, more distinguished than these,
Tatenen, who formed [Himself] by Himself as Ptah (2).
The toes of His body are the Eight (3).
He appeared as Re, from Nun (4), so that He might rejuvenate.
10 He sneezed, [as Atum, from] His [mouth and gave birth to]
Shu and Tefnut (5), combined in manifestation.
He appears on His throne as His heart prompts.
Who, through His [power], rules for Himself all that is.
Who binds together for Himself the kingship for ever,
15 down to eternity, established as Sole Lord (6).

Light was His coming into existence on the first occasion,
with all that exists in stillness for awe of Him.
He honked by voice, as the Great Honker,
coming into a land that He created for Himself,
while He was Alone.
20 He began speaking in the midst of silence,
opening every eye and causing them to look.
He began crying out while the world was in stillness,
His yell circulated while He had no second,
so that He might give birth to what is and cause them to live,
25 and cause every man to know the way to walk.
Their hearts live when they see Him.
His are the effective forms of the Ennead.

[Anonymous No.17834823]

>>17833333
Quids of truth, RAW is fun to read, but also a midwit

[Anonymous No.17834831]

>>17833425
>The Kybalion is Hermetic fanfiction and there is no point in reading it when there is Corpus Hermeticum
I disagree, it's a good starting point for beginners