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Do you think good literature and Japanese pop culture can't go hand in hand? What's your take on anime and manga? How do you feel about weebs, especially when it comes to carrying conversations with them about literature?

>> No.17824605

>>17824600
i have an anime waifu to be honest and she reads /lit/ even though she's a body pillow

>> No.17824660

>>17824600
>Do you think good literature and Japanese pop culture can't go hand in hand?
Maybe, don't see any reason why not.
>What's your take on anime and manga?
Anime is cartoons and manga is comics.
>How do you feel about weebs, especially when it comes to carrying conversations with them about literature?
I don't think it's important what kind of person the person is, their ideas are important.

>> No.17824907

>>17824660
>I don't think it's important what kind of person the person is, their ideas are important.
Ideas are inseparable from the character.

>> No.17824979
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>>17824600
No, just a vocal minority who thinks they’re better than everyone else. Remember, you’re in a anime website.

>> No.17824992

I've had great interactions in terms of literature and philosophy with people who are fans of anime and japanese culture, but people who are 'weebs' or who base their identity around escapism tend to be awful to talk to about anything that isnt another form of escapism

>> No.17825007

>>17824979
>posting chinese cartoons on a literature forum
begone, incel

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17825024

>>17825007
My wife some me up with a blow job this morning fago

>> No.17825027

>>17824600
>Do you think good literature and Japanese pop culture can't go hand in hand?
No.
>What's your take on anime and manga?
I like it.
>How do you feel about weebs, especially when it comes to carrying conversations with them about literature?
They don’t bother me. I admire that they’re interested in something.

>> No.17825028

I just despise modern autistic fans who think I am a fake fan because I don't obsess over it 24/7 or partake in constant ironic shitposting.

>> No.17825037

>>17825024
Your chinese cartoon pillow can't give blowjobs

>> No.17825045

>>17824600
Wow, what a beautiful transgender lady. Truly amazing. That is Mr Bessey's new friend. He will babysit you.

>> No.17825051

>>17825037
You're a fucking faggot pile of trash.

>> No.17825072

>>17825051
Now how would your chinese cartoon pillow react if it heard you say that?

>> No.17825080

>>17825072
Rebecca kills faggots like you for fun, fucking faggot.

>> No.17825084
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>>17825007
>>17825037
>>17825072
Why are you even doing on this board? Let alone on an anime website?

>> No.17825086
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17825086

The only good anime is LoGH.
The only good manga is Akagi.
The japs made dark souls and yakuza.
The Japs figured out how to perfect Mahjong.
The Women is Jap pornography are pretty attractive.
I like watching videos of a dude wandering around japan.

Moe was a mistake.
Escapism is a detriment to society.
Anime sets irresponsible social standards.
The majority of their content is recursive and repetitive.
Iteration upon iteration of the same thing to target very particular marketing demographics.
I made lots of friends and memories at anime conventions.
But it’s just commodity fetishism at its peak.
It’s really disgusting how isolated and abandoned anime fans are.

>> No.17825095

>>17825080
Who?
>>17825084
It's a literature board, your chinese cartoons belong on the mental illness board

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>>17825086
who are you, who are so wise in the ways of this world

>> No.17825113

>>17825086
Rambalac is great

>> No.17825128

>>17825024
>tfw fago
>tfw wife will never some me up with a blow job this morning

>> No.17825130

>>17824600
I cannot speak for /lit/ as a whole, particularly now that the board is full of 20 year old kids, but I do think less of a person if they are into 'weeb' culture. There are definitely good animes and mangas, don't get me wrong, but most of it looks to me like mass produced trash.

>> No.17825134

>>17825095
>the mental illness board
>>>/pol/
Get rekt, fag

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>>17825102
A depressed lawyer with good taste and many regrets.
>>17825113
So good. Comfy af.

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>>17824600
Used to like anime till I found out it was a Freemason psyop started after the occupation of Japan by <<<Douglas Mac Arthur>>> who was a Freemason. Just take a look at SEGA it was founded by Jews involved with the US military and came from the Masonic Gulf Western Company. Even the logo has a boy lover spiral in the A.

Freemason Video Games v2
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/202547092/#202547092
Freemason Video Games v3
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/202585199/#202585199
Freemasons Assassinated Nintendo President Satoru Iwata
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/196419946/#196419946
Zionist symbolism in Zelda
https://endchan.net/pol/res/76630.html

>> No.17825210

>>17825134
>triggered tranny posts about chinese cartoons
what a surprise

>> No.17825213

>>17824600
/lit/ has constant NGE threads and all the generals have been taken over by vtuber watchers so your premise is wrong

>> No.17825218

>>17825203
Tomatoes were imported from Spain to Italy. Therefore modern (((Italian food))) is a Jewish psyop.

>> No.17825225

>>17825218
Tomatoes are from North America

>> No.17825235

>>17825225
I was gonna say you were an idiot but you are right. Never knew that, weird.

>> No.17825237

>>17825225
But it was the Jews that brought them to Italy.

>> No.17825242

>>17825213
>/lit/ has constant NGE threads and all the generals have been taken over by vtuber watchers so your premise is wrong
Based

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>>17825166

>> No.17825299

>>17825203
You ever read about Hideaki Anno’s CIS inspirations? Apparently he read a bunch of books by a guy who was an psyop researcher for the CIA.

>> No.17825374

>>17825299
>Hideaki Anno’s
Interesting. That show is full of Kabbahlistic nonsense so makes sense.

>> No.17825415
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Anime posters are rarely worse than your average poster but often above average. So in net terms, anime posters are good posters.

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>>17824600
No, at least not in my case. I'm a fan of anime, probably always will be.

>> No.17825902

>>17825237
Based Jews

>> No.17825934

Do the Japanese have genre fiction outside of light novels and manga?

>> No.17825944

>>17825934
Yes they have
>magical little girl
>slice of life of little girl
>little girl goes on adventure
>little girl pilots giant robot
Those are all the genres.

>> No.17825954

>>17825934
Japanese detective fiction

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17826409

There is unfortunately a subsection of anons on this board who use literature as a form of distinction. When they see people who watch what they consider a low-culture—or even degenerate—for of media like anime, it devalues their own position of perceived superiority as someone who participates in high-culture literature or philosophy. In essence, they don't like the idea that "peers" with "manchildren". These poseurs can be readily identified by their love of renaissance/baroque/counter-reformation/neo-classical statues and romantic-era paintings in their quest to LARP as aristocrats.

>> No.17826415
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>>17824979

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>>17826415
Now taking calls!

>> No.17826454

vtumors aren't anime

>> No.17826511

>>17824600
Anime is honestly garbage. I don't really care about weebs but anime posters are usually just shitposters.

>> No.17826525

>>17826454
They are the next step in anime evolution.

>> No.17826579

>>17825086
I agree with all of this but I would add that there are TWO good anime, LoGH and Attack on Titan.

>> No.17826589

>>17826525
They're not written and they're not even properly animated. There is no literary value to them whatsoever.

>> No.17826608

Everybody here except the 30 year olds (a minority) would much rather live in Tokyo than wherever they are and all the hate threads you see against Dazai, Murakami, Mishima are created by like 2 people who are either a) people who can't think and don't understand beauty or art and b) people who are depressed they are too old to cruise in the anime city

>> No.17826610

>>17824600
Even though weebs/otakus/gamers might not realize it, they're part of an all encompassing counter culture to parasitic globalism and hypercapitalism and so should be respected

>> No.17826639
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>>17826610
>all encompassing counter culture
yea okay pseud.

>> No.17826655

>>17826610
>popculture consumers are countercculture to parasitic globalism and hypercapitalism

>> No.17826674

>>17826610
>they're part of an all encompassing counter culture to parasitic globalism and hypercapitalism and so should be respected
Go to /pol/

>> No.17826681

>>17824605
>there are grills on /lit/
Little bit scared rn

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>>17825095
>It's a literature board
- on an anime website

>> No.17826893

>>17826873
>>17826415

>> No.17826896

>>17826893
>>17826873

>> No.17826906

Anime isn't art, it's graphic design. The point of art is that something doesn't have to be attractive to be beautiful. The focus of anime is to idealise desirable behavior in the japanese populace and suggest that pursuit has somehow made them closer to the anime world. It's theism without the god.

>> No.17826914

>>17826906
>art isn't art

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>>17826906
>Anime isn't art
Jesus fuck, you anti-animefags are just plain retarded. Next, you're going to tell us this isn't an anime website.

>> No.17826934

personally i read plenty of japanese books, but not a disproportionate amount. last one i read was territory of light by yuko tsushima which i liked a great deal
i suspect this isn't what op means by weeb culture though, i suspect they're specifically talking about anime and sci fi type things designed for adolescents. and they're fun in their own way too if you're in the mood for junk

>> No.17826946

>>17826926
I'm sorry but it's not. The only time people ever consider anime to have any kind of nuance, is when they contrast the anime artstyle with warped characters. The only other possibility is maybe the artist is just attempting realism like Satoshi Kon might, but that's a very rare case.

Why do you think the core aesthetic of anime now is "ANIME BUT FUCKED UP" like an insectoid miku, or OH MY GOD THEIR FACE IS SO WRINKLY BUT EVERYONE ELSE IS SO PRETTY.

The only way anime can be taken seriously as a component of artistic expression is when it's used as a metaphor for idealism. Otherwise it's just masturbation.

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>>17826946
God you have such hot garbage takes and such an elitist attitude.

>> No.17826958

>>17826906
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wckZcVFLU24
If you don't feel frission chills from this and if you don't know those are, you are a soulless bugman.

>> No.17826967

>>17826956
I actually have much better taste in anime and manga than you but it's ok. Nice Jun Suemi knockoff artstyle btw.

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>>17826958
>thing tries to be beautiful and that's why it's beautiful

wow it's just like 18th century landscape portrait artists LOL

>> No.17826975

>>17826956
elitism just means he has an opinion

>> No.17826987

>>17826971
You didn't even watch it. Subhuman.

>> No.17826991

>>17826987
Youre a bugman if cartoons move you as much as a real human lol

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>>17826967
>I actually have much better taste in anime and manga than you but it's ok.
>Doesn't consider anime an art.
Sure, anon, whatever you say

>> No.17827104

>>17826610
I literally just watch anime for the COOM

>> No.17827113

>>17825086
This except Evangelion is the best anime of all time and Vagabond the best manga

>> No.17827122

>>17826409
There are some genuine lines of cope in there. Pretty impressive.

>> No.17827127

>>17826610
They are the biggest mindless consoomers of media. Stop defending your hobby with bullshit.

>> No.17827176

>>17826934
>and they're fun in their own way too if you're in the mood for junk
but /lit/ hates those.

>> No.17827343

Guys I have a Chinese gf who I like but race mixing is bad, what do?

>> No.17827344

>>17827343
Stop going to /pol/ for one?

>> No.17827366

>>17827344
These opinions aren't exclusive to pol though

>> No.17827370

>>17825086
Add Ashita no Joe to the list. It’s very Nietzschean.

>> No.17827392

>>17826579
Attack on Titan is the genuine, top class bait for normies. Shallow hype and retard themes strewn from superior manga/anime.

>> No.17827452

>>17827031
anime isn't art though, it's a component of a larger narrative. Every other art form uses a synthesis of order and disorder to represent the human condition, and anime can't speak of anything without another stylistic component to accentuate it. As I said before, every anime that remains purely anime, is vapid, and for the sake of selling a smartphone game, not human decency.

Also
>painting is good because it's painted like the impressionists
That makes it the opposite of good because the impressionists figured this shit out centuries ago.

You're more or less just proving my point by posting generic touhous using arbitrary painting styles to assert integrity.

>> No.17827730

>>17825934
Of course.

>> No.17827744

>>17826610
You know it’s true by how badly it triggered people.

>> No.17827784

>>17827452
>anime can't speak of anything without another stylistic component to accentuate it. As I said before, every anime that remains purely anime, is vapid, and for the sake of selling a smartphone game, not human decency
Have you ever even seen anime?

>> No.17828191

>>17827452
>Every other art form uses a synthesis of order and disorder to represent the human condition
that's not a definition of art, unless you count my diary desu

>> No.17828219

>>17827744
>consoomer of trash thinks he is against consooming.
>"y'all just triggered"

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ppl r mad rn

>> No.17828300

>>17828280
Of course.

>> No.17828368

>>17824600
I'm pretty sure most posters here used to be massive nerds addicted to video games and/or anime before making a conscious effort to "get cultured" by reading books. The 4chan userbase doesn't actually vary as much between boards as most people think.
Personally I don't give a shit if people use anime reaction pics or whatever, as long as they talk about literature. People who bitch about anime images are really using them as an excuse to talk about something that isn't literature. Many of the posters here are really just nerds forcing themselves to enjoy literature, and if they see an excuse to talk about something else they'll jump on it. Same goes for video game threads, twitter threads, etc.

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>>17824600
>Is /lit/ the least weeb-friendly board on 4chan?
No, few here hate anime and most have watched at least a few. Anime related content is usually ignored. Tbh weeb culture is dead on 4chan and the cause for that lies in the fact that there have been almost no good anime in the last 7 years.
>Do you think good literature and Japanese pop culture can't go hand in hand?
Not hand in hand, no.
>How do you feel about weebs, especially when it comes to carrying conversations with them about literature?
It's usually boring to talk to them.
>What's your take on anime and manga?
The Japanese authors start with great initial ideas but can't continue properly after 6-24 months and either fuck it up or go into hiatus. Their endings are usually shit and when the author let's his characters tell his own philosophical or political opinions it's usually pathetic. I think that the Japanese media industry isn't getting the most gifted people but that goes for most countries nowadays I guess. The target group is children and teenagers, which overrate everything they consume so any popular or recommended anime/manga should be treated with low expectations.

>> No.17828665

>>17828368
I think this is definitely true. This is something I’ve been thinking about a lot actually. I and all the other boys I know grew up pretty much abandoned to ourselves. We wasted our time on video games, entertainment, Internet forums, basically just nonsense without any even really clearly articulated form or function to any of it. At best, we spent a lot of time playing more or less meaningless pick up sports. It’s made me realize that there were really no expectations whatsoever placed on us as young people. I’m now and entering my late twenties and I can say there really aren’t any still. The most there ever have been were like “do good in school” or “do good at work” which are really just kind of breeding you into this student/employee mentality and nothing else. Even an author of today has to discover his affinity for reading on his own, usually in his 20s. Then I go and read the biographies of 20th century and 19th people and you see clearly that these things were fostered and cultivated in them from a young age. Point being, we’re all in the same boat I guess. We were kind of abandoned to ourselves and most of else fell into that stuff and it was bred into us long before we bred literature into ourselves.

>> No.17828674

>>17828392
>Their endings are usually shit
Agree with this
> when the author let's his characters tell his own philosophical or political opinions it's usually pathetic
Also agree with this

I even have a specific example in mind. I think when they write about personal non-political or philosophical ideals it can turn out really good though.

>> No.17828685

>>17828392
>The target group is children and teenagers
Target group is usually 17-30 for most productions actually. Under 17 becomes the largest consumer base almost incidentally.

>> No.17828689

>>17828368
i'm reverse, i was really into "patrician" shit when i was active on 4chan 10 years ago, but then i got into anime a couple years ago and now i watch anime and read everyday

>> No.17828705
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>>17824600
It's still a weeb website.

>Do you think good literature and Japanese pop culture can't go hand in hand?
I don't think good literature and pop culture can go hand in hand, Japanese or not.

>What's your take on anime and manga?
Most of it is garbage, but this applies to any medium. There are some real gems there, but these are often ignored because muh cartoons. Also, occidental animations receives more exposure worldwide, due to being more often nominated for awards than japanese animation.

Manga is a more diverse medium, with even more outstanding work. Many of these wouldn't make it as anime because they don't sell enough.

>How do you feel about weebs, especially when it comes to carrying conversations with them about literature?
Being a weeb tells little of the person as a whole.

>> No.17828721

/lit/ likes Japanese culture and even has a local translatoranon who is doing 100% original English translations of untranslated/unpublished Mishima works. I even like weebs, being a weeb is an ancient and noble tradition. I even like some anime myself. But all fucking moeniggers and "cute" anime fans should be incinerated. Anyone who watches or plays Japanese media primarily (or even secondarily) revolving around cute little girls should be executed immediately. They have colonized weebshit and turned it into a twisted mockery of what it once was. It's like if iphone game players took over video games so that whenever anyone said "I play video games" the first mental association was someone playing candy crush. Animefags if you are reading this post, cast out the moe, purge the weebs, they are magpies who have thrown you out of your own nests, they are not into anime, they are infantilized peter pan syndrome queers who will poison the market for all future anime until you destroy them. Drive them into the sea.

>> No.17828728

>>17828689
What age were you when you got into it? Curious because I’ve watched anime my whole life but didn’t get into it into it until I was already out of college.

>> No.17828755

>>17828721
but cute little girls fill the hole in my heart

>> No.17828757

>>17824600
Anime culture is absolute fucking cringe and I can't stand how you degenerates think that by self deprecating ironically you are entitled to not being told to fuck off.
Go back to your cancerous containment board.

>> No.17828761

>>17828685
That claim is still valid because most 24-30 year olds are manchildren.

>> No.17828766

>>17828728
24 i think

>> No.17828776

>>17824600
I actually wish there was more animeposting on this board. It always upsets the philosophy larpers and /pol/tards.

>> No.17828787

>>17828721
Based

>> No.17828835

>>17824600
I see no reason why not. Some manga and anime have great stories with interesting concepts. Junji Ito's shit is great and you can't really go wrong with sticking on an old studio ghibli to relax.

People who dedicate themselves to cultural products(of any kind) and make consumption there personality are generally insufferable anyway

>> No.17828865

>>17828761
But that has always been the case

>>17828766
Yeah so same pretty much. Funny. I thought I was the only one.

>> No.17828887

>>17825934
Yes, they have actual novels as well, one that I recommend (and recommend its anime adaptation as well) is Shiki.
Don't let the zany character designs filter you (they almost did for me), it's actually a well written and fairly tense story involving a group of vampires settling in a rural Japanese village and the local doctor struggling to figure out why the death rates are increasing so quickly/how he can save the lives of his people.

>> No.17829028

>>17828865
truer for the anime audience desu.

>> No.17829181

>>17825934
I liked the ring books

>> No.17829189

>>17829028
It’s really not. It’s just anime specifically which illicit this view and I think it’s because people hang out here so anime is what they come to take issue with.

>> No.17829219

>>17829028
Who watches the most capeshit and disney films?
Young-Adults reluctant to let go of their comics and princess movies

>> No.17829239

>>17829189
Have you ever gone to a con?

>> No.17829248

>>17829219
Marvel has just as many manchildren but that doesn't help anime's case.

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ppl r furious rn

>> No.17829257

>>17829239
No but I think it’s a stretch to say the people who go to conventions are the norm. Go to a literature conference. You’ll hate everyone there too.

>> No.17829269

>>17824600
Three's some good anime and manga but weebs on the whole are dumb. Just a step above vidya fags. The fact that something as straightforward as Evangelion is so widely misinterpreted and superficially judged, while glorified brainless bullshit and schmaltz like SnK and Your Name are given high regard shows how garbage the userbase is. Madoka and madokafags like OP pic are also shit.

>> No.17829274

>>17829257
When I was young, cons were so much fun. Finally finding a group of people who had similar interests, but myself being from 4chan I had an air of superiority. Going to room parties, getting drunk with others from 4chan, running away from the cops, hitting on cute girls in costumes, exploring other cities. It was all so fun. There was a magic to it.

I miss my youth.

>> No.17829281

>>17828280
>>17829255
Seething

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ppl r seething rn

>> No.17829320

>>17829304
>"WAAAH! WHY DON U LIEK ANIEM, CONFIRM MY LIFE'S PRIMARY PASSION FOR ME OR I WON'T GO BACK TO MY CONTAINMENT BOARD"

>> No.17829323

>>17826946
>art needs to be good to be art
Calling you a midwit would be a compliment

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ppl r irrational rn

>> No.17829377

>>17829257
>Go to a literature conference. You’ll hate everyone there too.
Not true, unless you are purposefully hanging out with obnoxious types. At worst they might be a group of pretentious nerds, however these anime expos and comic cons are industries in themselves. For what else would you see 35 year olds dressed up in outlandish costumes? It's not that there aren't good anime, however astronomically rare they may be, but the industry attracts the worst types.

>> No.17829386

>>17829349
"SOO INSECUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee."

>> No.17829391

>>17826681
How new are you to not notice that lesbian tripfag in almost every thread

>> No.17829414
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17829414

ppl r replying to anything i post rn

>> No.17829468

My weebery is my deepest darkest secret. I'm like, N4 Japanese so I can communicate sure but I have several books out and don't give any indication that I have Japanese stuff in my house or that I like any of it.
I'm weeb friendly, but I can't show it.

>> No.17829919

>>17829377
I can tell you’ve never been to a literature conference.

>> No.17829929

>>17829414
Hinata is so cute

>> No.17829947

>>17829269
Your Name and SnK are good so is Evangelion, not everything has to be le super serious artistic deconstruction.

>> No.17829954

>>17827113
based

>> No.17829997

>>17829269
Just let go of your head canon anon. It’s not at all straightforward.