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17803745 No.17803745 [Reply] [Original]

Does /lit/ play chess?
I'm starting to think there's a correlation between reading and playing because both activities require constant concentration.

>> No.17803761

I wearied of it and graduated to roguelikes.

>> No.17803766

Top level chess is the most boring shit ever. It is not a game of strategy and attacking, it is a game of two guys trying to remember as best they can what pattern the computer told them to play given a certain board state, and the first one to fuck up loses. Oh and if you are black you either draw or lose.

>> No.17803769

>>17803745
>try to get into chess
>play against my brother
>he beats me in 4 moves
>stop playing chess

>> No.17803787

>>17803766
I don't know about top level chess but for a beginner there are many benefits in intelligence to be gained. Also, most successful people are chess players.

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>>17803769

>> No.17803835

>>17803745
>I'm starting to think there's a correlation between reading and playing because both activities require constant concentration.
That's literally intelligence. Correlation between any instances of abstract thinking.

>> No.17803840

>>17803766
This is why roguelikes are better. The conditions and possibility space are new each time, and the enemy is neither human nor a superhuman AI, but rather inherent risk and complexity.

>> No.17803853

>>17803824
yeah. I'm much more of a mankala kind of guy.

>> No.17803866

I only play Fischer's chess.

>> No.17803870

>>17803769
What books do you read?

>> No.17803884

>>17803870
Grade 5-7

>> No.17803886

>>17803787
>Also, most successful people are chess players.
You think you can just make up your own facts and people take it at face value? You're not very successful doing this.

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>>17803745
>Yeah i do like to play chess from time to time, why're you asking?

>> No.17803904

I'm awful at chess. Read "bobby fischer teaches chess" and it was all super elementary. Does anyone have any chess book reccs?

>> No.17803926

get on lichess, there's a /lit/ group

>> No.17803938

>>17803926
I'm on lichess and i didn't know there were groups.
Anyway, i've found the group and there are only 11 people.

>> No.17803939

You should be at least 1900 on lichess to post on /lit/

>> No.17803944

I think the correlation you are referring to is the flow state. You can achieve the flow state in anything that requires automatic processing and active engagement. So, dancing, video gaming, cooking, surfing, swimming, cleaning, writing, etc. are all similar in this way.

>> No.17803946

>>17803926
big_pinus69?

>> No.17803995

>>17803745
Just played a game for the first time in decades. I suck ass at this game, holy shit.

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>>17803926
What's the password?

>> No.17804116

>>17804033
Which site is this?

>> No.17804154

>>17804033
Blood Meridian

>> No.17804178

>>17803904
Don't read books on chess as a beginner, it's all useless. Just watch some YT vids explaining a couple of openings and start playing.

>> No.17804357

>>17803840
Recs? I put about 90 hours into deadcells

>> No.17804378

>>17803904
https://lichess.org/learn

>> No.17804420

>>17803904
Starter books (Pdfs are easy to find online):
>Soviet chess primer by Maizelis et al
>Play Winning Chess by Yasser Seirawan
>Chess Fundamentals by Capablanca
>Complete Idiot's Guide to Chess by Patrick Wolff
>Logical Chess: Move by Move by Irving Chernev

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17804467

Anyone on /lit/ play mahjong?

>> No.17804476

>>17803766
>This meme again.
Only people who know next to nothing about competitive chess believe this. Top level players memorise openings, yes, but chess is such a complex game, with so many possible variations, that it is literally impossible for a human being to memorise everything. Once the opening stage is complete, the players use their positional understanding, instincts, and calculation. Besides, it's not as if these players just mindlessly memorise moves and play them out; rather they have a deep understanding of the openings they play and are comfortable with the positions that arise. For fuck's sake, anon, just go watch some live chess commentary. There is a tournament going on right now. You don't know shit.

>> No.17804490

>>17804467
I tried to learn a bit when playing yakuza but i gave up as it's just kinda like sollitaire and hold em but with a whole bunch of special cases and rules that requires months of dedication to remember everything.

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>>17804490
Yeah, kinda true. I find it really fun. Maybe it just a freak tho.

>> No.17804511

>>17804357
actual roguelikes: ADOM, Elona+, Nethack, Dwarf Fortress (Adventure Mode)
roguelites: risk of rain 1 (not 2, it's decent but worse), FTL, darkest dungeon, hades, slay the spire, cataclysm dda
avoid: dead gods, binding of isaac, necrodancer, noita (fun concept, terrible roguelike, still worth checking out), streets of rogue

>> No.17804514

>>17804467
I casually play the mode for it in FFXIV which is pretty much standard riichi mahjong

>> No.17804563

>>17803766
I agree that a lot of top level chess is boring, but it's not because of computer prep. It's because a lot of GMs are too chickenshit to play exciting and dangerous moves. They care too much about preserving their rating, and they'll take draws against other GMs rather than risking a loss.

>> No.17804681

>>17803904
Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess is a rubbish book. Fischer didn't even write it, he merely gave his name to it for a commission.

>> No.17804740

>>17804476
Bobby Fischer said chess was about memorization and hated chess

>> No.17804991

>>17803745
I started playing when I watched that Netflix series a month ago. It went honestly pretty well considering that I've never read a chess book, haven't played chess in ten years, and didn't know about either openings and strategy as a whole, or special moves like castling nor en passant for probably the first forty games I played; at this point I'm 1328 and manage to beat level 11 bots 50/50.
I always play on the shitter, it just calms me down and makes pooing way easier.

>> No.17805035

>>17804740
There is no way to become a good chess player by memorisation. You simply will not do it no matter how much you try or how good your memory is. There are more possible chess games than there are atoms in the universe; you will never be able to memorise everything you encounter in chess. Grandmasters study incredibly hard to get to where they're at, often from a very young age. Again, literally just watch a chess tournament livestream with master-level commentary (here's the one going on right now: https://youtu.be/AiD4cukdKkc).). They sit there trying to work out the positions. Why the fuck would they do that if they've simply memorised it all? You're a moron.

>> No.17805134

>>17804476
>>17804563
it's true, it's less that Chess *has* to be dominated by memorization and conservative play, but that's the state of affairs today. But conservative-playing memoryfags are overall more winning than brash mavericks, and that's why chess is a lousy game and Bobby Fischer was right.

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Show your stats.

>> No.17805282

>>17804681
>>17804420
>>17804378
>>17804178
Thanks fellas.

>> No.17805314

>>17803745
>I'm starting to think there's a correlation between reading and playing because both activities require constant concentration.
Non sequitur
Retard

>> No.17805368

>>17805035
https://youtu.be/P349BdHUxlc

btfo by the chessgoat

>> No.17805422

>>17805368
>>17805368
>Doesn't know anything about chess
>Gets BTFO
>Appeals to a notoriously combative Fischer being his usual exaggerating self
Probably the best era of chess was when Garry Kasparov was champion (producing games like this https://youtu.be/qJlz2MQtmMM)), ie. after Fischer died. Chess was hardly "ruined" then was it.

>> No.17805657

>>17805422
I'll take bobby's word over some pretentious anon, thanks though :)

>> No.17805691

>>17805422
Kasparov is like literally the Last Man. You worship a bugman.

>> No.17806160

>>17803745
Played it during the weekend while being a bit tipsy and won both times.

>>17803766
>top chess
>not a game of strategy
read professional commentary you stupid fuck

>> No.17806864

>>17803787
>most successful people are chess players.
[Citation needed]

>> No.17807260

Okay real talk now, what are your favourite chess openings anons?
My would be English, Caro Kann and Grunfeld.

>> No.17807344

>>17803745
Chess is pseuds. Real intellectuals partake in cock fighting.

>> No.17807393

>>17803745
Not sure about that, but it would def be nice for /lit/ and /tg/ to make a chess book collab

>> No.17807406

I do but only play against equally unskilled colleagues at work to kill time.

I learned how to play in elementary school and was really engaged in it until I got my ass beaten to embarrassment at a tournament when I was 9

>> No.17807453

>>17807260
I usually play e4
Usually defend e4 with e5
D4 I defend with either the Nimzo Indian or if white avoids it I just play queens gambit declined
I also use the QGD against the English.
I just try to take the center for meme openings

>> No.17807485

I'm so bad at Chess that it makes me feel as though I am a low iq dimwit. Learning openings and mates wouldn't help. Idk whats up with my head but I just can't seem to consider all the variable that need to be when making a move. It is like i temporarily forget certain pieces exist. so I make massive and obvious blunders. When it comes to Math and Chess, I feel genuinely retarded. Am I the only one here who does so?

>> No.17807609

>>17803745
Lichess is super based.

>> No.17807659

>>17803766
>if you are black you either draw or lose
Racism is only permitted on >>>/b/

>> No.17807666

>>17807393
/tg/ has a Chess General. Why don't you go over there and propose your idea?

>> No.17807708

>>17803745
I absolutely don't have the patience for it. I'm capable of one good game a day, in which I probably play around a 1400 elo level. After that my brain just shuts down and goes on autopilot. After that first game, if I have even a minor setback I just start making stupid move after stupid move and play around a 700-800 level. It's frustrating.

>> No.17807709

>>17803761
Which ones anon? I am loopin’ nowadays.

>> No.17807750
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>>17803745
Chess is for pseuds and autists

>> No.17807808

I wouldn't say there's a huge correlation, actually. Lots of high-tier (not necessarily GM tier, but significantly better than the population at chess) chess players actually have bad attention spans.

A lot of chess tactic puzzles require you to think about and "see" a wide variety of possibilities before finding the correct move. Under a time constraint, it's much harder to do this if you have a patient mind, versus a hyperactive one.

>>17807485
>It is like i temporarily forget certain pieces exist.
Extremely common. Just gotta play more and/or do more puzzles. It might be useful as well to use an engine to see why you're failing puzzles, as that will tell you why a given move is suboptimal/blundering. That, in turn, will help you begin to see the board better and find patterns more easily.

>> No.17807820

>>17807750
sounds perfect for /lit/ then

>> No.17807856

Let me guess you watched Queens Gambit and now you consider chess as a hobby

>> No.17807870

>>17807856
Actually after I finished that series I am extremely good at chess, yes.

You can learn legitimately good strategies from Queen's Gambit. I also listen to intense music while playing chess now too.

>> No.17807882

>>17807870
terrible bait

>> No.17807902

>>17803766
Thats why you quit once you reach 1500 when its no longer fun and just play casual games with people in the same position as you

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>>17807750
honestly it can be, i used to hate chess with a passion because some pseud prick wanted to feel superior. but the minute my blue collar friend asked me to play for jollies and fun, it was instantly more fun. I think humanities assholes have forgotten this was always meant to be a game, something to enjoy and take your mind off the world.

>> No.17807936

https://lichess.org/lwGXkiFK

1500 here lets go

>> No.17807975

>>17803761
based

>> No.17808095

I am rated top 11% on lichess rapid. I'm still garbage

>> No.17808136

>>17804467
Mahjong is not any better than other card games, people only like it because it's tiles and asian shit. The exoticism is its only exportable quality.

>> No.17808161

>>17803766
t. Smoothbrain

>> No.17808227

>>17807750
Yes.

>> No.17808237

video games are not /lit/. And yes chess is a video game. literally no one plays on a physical board anymore

>> No.17808244

trying again, 1500 elo casual
https://lichess.org/3JgZurB2

>> No.17808270

>>17803944
This is such a god damn meme