[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/lit/ - Literature

View post   
File: 478 KB, 1200x1800, Plato (pbuh).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17782750 No.17782750 [Reply] [Original]

Read Plato (pbuh)

>> No.17782765

>>17782750
Guenon (pbuh) reader here, currently reading Plato.

>> No.17782768
File: 296 KB, 1600x1600, s-l1600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17782768

>>17782750
Already am

>> No.17782777

>>17782765
based Guenon (pbuh) reader (pbuy) who is reading Plato (pbuh)

>> No.17782989

>>17782750
start with platon (mega schizo), reread platon, end with platon

>> No.17783090
File: 41 KB, 128x199, soyplato.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17783090

>NOOOO, THEY CAN'T JUST EXECUTE SOCRATES FOR IMPIETY AND DISRUPTING THE PEACE NOOO!!!!

>> No.17783444

>read the symposium
>character that advocates homosexuality the most is Aristophanes
>the guy who wrote a play that contributed to Socrates execution
>Plato, who never married, has other characters say you shouldn't have a physical relationship like that
>also harshly condemns the act in Laws
Plato got raped as a boy by a sophist and took refuge in the arms of Socrates, who did not care for sex.

>> No.17783495

Just got a used copy of his complete works. I’ve read about 8 dialogues before this, but haven’t seriously tackled laws or the republic beyond the first few pages. Should I just reread it all from the beginning?

>> No.17784867

>>17783495
no, start with aristotle, then go to epicurean

>> No.17784951

>>17783495
What are you struggling with?

>> No.17784957

>>17784951
Making time to read it.

>> No.17785003

>>17782777
checked and based

>> No.17785457

>>17783495
Its a waste to read republic when everything in it is refuted in Laws.

>> No.17785822

>>17783495
I feel that the Republic might be a good refresher on its own without rereading other dialogues. Never hurts to reread if you want to though. I do find it takes a lot of time however

>> No.17786509

I started with Gorgias and Protagoras and despite the fact they're considered 'early' dialogues, I struggled somewhat tb.h (pls no bully, I'm probably below average IQ)
Are there any simpler dialogues than these? -other than Apology/Crito-

>> No.17786546

I've read all of Plato.
He is a gay faggot.

That is all.

>> No.17786574

>>17782750
Shit thread.

>> No.17786588

>>17786574
okay, still reading plato

>> No.17787341

>>17786546
Cope and projection from a low-brow faggot.

>> No.17787430

>>17787341
Aristotle (pbuh) mogs Plato faget.

>> No.17787564

this is good advice
t. muslim

>> No.17787565

>>17787430
Lol no, the best way to appreciate Aristotle is reading him back into Plato's late works.

>> No.17787569

is it true that aristotle is a dualist?

>> No.17787610

>>17787569
No

>> No.17787804

in what order??? no one has given me a satisfactory answer

>> No.17787810

>>17782750
Has anybody refuted Glaucon?

>> No.17787895
File: 260 KB, 746x1033, plato.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17787895

>>17783495
Note that all chronological renderings of Plato's work are in large part inferences made either stylometrically or philologically with the exception of the final six works whose chronological placement as "late" dialogues, particularly The Laws being written last, can be made confidently ("late" dialogues: Politicus, Sophistes, Philebus, Critias, Timaeus and The Laws). Historicising your reading like this along with context of Plato's exposure to pythagoreanism and his political attempts in syracuse failing offers a much deeper and fuller reading of Plato than the "picking and choosing" of dialogues like you'll often find on this board. Reading the Laws last is particularly important and seldom does anyone actually read it.

I also recommend reading Eric Havelock's Preface to Plato for important historical (and media ecological) context. It's on libgen.

>> No.17787898

>>17787804
no one cares, just read the republic dude

>> No.17787900

>>17787804
>>17787895

>>17787898
retard

>> No.17787909

>>17782750
>Plato
Refuted by Heraclitus, Anaxagoras and Epicurus

>> No.17787939

>>17787895
Thanks for the quality post. I've heard some things on all the arguments about when and what order they were written in. My interest in the laws is that I'm a lawyer and it seems like one of the earliest jurisprudential documents for the west. I've read Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Meno, Phaedo, ion, and Theaetetus. While I find the dialogue style amusing, I guess after some thinking I don't really want to reread any of it so I'll only move forward. Thank you for the input. I'll see if I can find that eric book.

>> No.17787974
File: 24 KB, 475x475, preface to plato.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
17787974

>>17787939
No problem. One of the things I like about Havelock's book is that it offers very lucid reasoning for Plato's dislike of the poets in the Republic. (it has to do with the proliferation of widespread literacy in athens along with residual pre-literate attitudes getting in the way of his project of trying to develop a true language of ethics which would serve as the basis for proper jurisprudence.)

>> No.17788470

>>17782777
only on /lit/ do we have freaks who read guenon before reading fucking plato

>> No.17788859

>>17787895
thanks, friend

>> No.17789033

>>17786509
Phoedrus Is rather straightforward, with only two characters. Menon too, as Plato adapt the level of the dialogue to the intellettual level of who is debating with Socrates, and Menon is an arrogant idiot with no clues

>> No.17789143

>>17783495
you should start with the greeks