Books on starting a cult?

[Anonymous No.17774730]

I want to start a self-sufficient community based on a philosophy which mixes Roman values with a little bit of Nietzsche and Evola. It would emphasize self-discipline, self-overcoming, the traditional family, physical and mental fitness, industriousness, frugalness etc.
>Novaroma.org/nr/Roman_virtues
I want to do this because it's the only way to protect my future children from the materialistic degeneracy of the modern world.

[Anonymous No.17774743]

L Ron has your back

[Anonymous No.17774752]

>>17774730
orrrrrrrrrrrr now this is a crazy idea, but, you could be a good parent and teach good values to your children without trying to create a cult

[Anonymous No.17774786]

>>17774752
I can only do so much, having them hang around with normies will inevitably contaminate them. I want a cult of a select few because only a small minority of people will ever be capable of cultivating excellence

[Anonymous No.17774801]

You’d be deposed as leader and the new leader would fuck your wife and daughter regularly

[Anonymous No.17774813]

>>17774730
>>17774786
Unironically read something like MK

[Anonymous No.17774838]

>>17774813
What does MK stand for anon?

[Anonymous No.17774856]

you need to be socially smart to be able to run a cult

not some incel loser on 4chan

[Anonymous No.17774858]

>>17774838
Mein Kampf. Any book by a dictator/charismatic leader works but I prefer this one because it's very candid and has some chapters on propaganda, influence, etc. Just apply the concepts to a smaller scale.

[Anonymous No.17774859]

https://youtu.be/mnNSe5XYp6E

[Anonymous No.17774873]

>>17774858
Oh I read the first 200-300 pages, but God damn Onkel Addi is a bad writer

[Anonymous No.17774897]

>>17774859
Absolute normie tier take on cults

[Anonymous No.17774909]

>>17774730
Only genuinely charismatic people can start a cult. You come here asking how to start a cult based on a /pol/ack's understanding of Nietzsche, Evola, and traditional values. It is not a huge leap to assume you are a bitter and unlikable wretch and probably autistic, depressed, or both. You should consider yourself lucky to find a friend group not populated entirely by the similarly tormented dregs of the Internet Age. It is highly unlikely that you will ever attract a following because you are not a leader. You are not a Hitler but a Goebbels, at best.

[Anonymous No.17774910]

>>17774873
Nah it's very uneven, some parts very good others very boring, but it's not bad. The theoretical parts in the second half were what I was talking about though.

[Anonymous No.17774933]

>>17774910
Yeah I'll give it another try

>>17774909
Neither Nietzsche nor Roman virtues are not inherently related to /pol/, as far as I can tell most /pol/cels hate Nietzsche because muh kike on a stick

[Anonymous No.17774937]

>>17774856
This.
You're not even able to get friends or a woman to sleep with you, but yeah, bro, you're gonna convince hundreds of people to throw away everything and live with you and your rules.

[Anonymous No.17774940]

[Anonymous No.17774955]

>>17774940
Do liberals really?

[Anonymous No.17774969]

>>17774955
At least they're not in a cult.

[Anonymous No.17774978]

>>17774897
how so?

[Anonymous No.17774983]

I read your title as books on starting a cunt which would be interesting.

[Anonymous No.17774998]

>>17774969
>At least they're not in a cult.

>>17774978
Its the standard normie representation of cults as something which purely exists to extract cash from its stupid members

[Anonymous No.17775027]

>>17774909
This is the truth. If you're asking for advice here there's no way you have the charisma OP, give it up.

[Anonymous No.17775056]

>there's no way you have the charisma OP, give it up.

[Anonymous No.17775090]

this but unironically

[Anonymous No.17775099]

>>17774730
Das Kapital

[Anonymous No.17775118]

>>17774730
Stop larping

[Anonymous No.17775162]

>>17774730
First thing you'll notice about all the big cults is that at the core, there is a guy with a large property. To start, you absolutely need a large enough private property that allows for privacy from prying eyes. Then you need a common enemy to unite people against, either real or imaginary depending on how gullible your flock is.

Once you have these, you write some fluff around it. But make sure you're at the top of the hierarchy without a line of succession so you don't get challenged by potential leaders. Once you get a few followers, you use the most loyal ones to exact pressure on anyone having doubts or wanting to leave. Isolating people from their family and loved ones is essential if they are not part of the flock.

Now at this point most people fuck up their cult and go full retard, either forcing government intervention or worse yet - killing themselves. Don't go full retard (Jonestown as an example of failure after success), look at the great and successful cults of the past and present such as Scientology.

If you're not charismatic or rich then don't bother.

[Anonymous No.17775183]

Nobody cares about that dumb roman shit desu. Your cult would fail because of this.

[Anonymous No.17775281]

>>17775183
What do you dislike about the Roman virtues?

[Anonymous No.17775346]

>>17775162
>Jonestown
That was the CIA cleaning up their mess and trying to pin it on crazy commies.

[Anonymous No.17775583]

>>17774730
It sounds like you want to start the Movimento Tradizionalista Romano.

[Anonymous No.17775600]

>>17774730
People like you are so terrible at this stuff. Your cults won't last long or get many members and you'll probably attract people more insane than yourself and what >>17774801 said well end up happening to you. If you want to found a religion, NEVER start with the "values". Never start with the excuse for which you're making it. Always start with some answer to something deeper, like theology, soteriology, cosmology, metaphysics, etc. It helps a lot to be really good at exegesis of some existing religion, and to be good at philosophy. Then you'll be able to establish a religion that can last a long time and get smart apologists and theologians to defend it generations later. Otherwise you're just starting an obvious joke religion and the only people who join will be psychos.

[Anonymous No.17775791]

>>17774730
Have you ever seen the movie Captain Fantastic? It might be interesting to you, it's about a man trying to raise his children to be philosopher-kings, set against the excesses of modernity. Their commune is opposed to modernity from a more Bookchin-ish, leftist perspective, but nonetheless you would see something of your ideas on parenting reflected there.

[Anonymous No.17775796]

>>17775791
It's propaganda to ensure people don't try and escape the system, anon

[Anonymous No.17775870]

>>17775796
To an extent, yes, but it definitely shows some things worth thinking about. An Evolan reading of the film, as OP might give, would probably say that resisting the modern world will always fall with no higher initiatory character to their community. Perhaps a rightist commune would fare better than theirs when it comes to riding the tiger.

[Anonymous No.17775911]

>>17775870
Fair enough
>Perhaps a rightist commune would fare better than theirs when it comes to riding the tiger.
Yes, the film did show the inherent flaws with leftist escapism/utopianism I guess.

[Anonymous No.17775939]

[Anonymous No.17776068]

>>17774786
>I can only do so much, having them hang around with normies will inevitably contaminate them
Then you arent a very good parent.

[Anonymous No.17776081]

>>17775281
Romans fucked dogs and had slave orgies.

[Anonymous No.17776098]

OP made this thread on /x/ as well, wouldnt be surprised if pol and r9k also.
If you have to ask...

[Anonymous No.17776227]

>>17775939
I'm looking for something more specific

[Anonymous No.17776259]

>>17776227
How to start YOUR cult, by (You)

[Anonymous No.17776304]

>>17775600
This guy is right.

I once started an internet cult myself by sheer accident founded on nothing, but me giving advice and doing some psionic mumbo jumbo, but my followers were only ever literal retards and crazy people. So crazy and scary that I realized I was out of my depth and had to jump ship.

[Anonymous No.17776595]

>>17776304
Elaborate.

[Anonymous No.17776734]

>>17774730
Read the Quran and about Muhammed in general. Guy was genius about creating cults.

[Anonymous No.17776869]

I want to start a Christian socialist commune to get away from the modern world, but I'm terrified of some Cluster B hijacking it and turning it into a destructive cult.

[Anonymous No.17777532]

>>17776869
perttty sure ya gotta be a sociopath,
full of self denial, a great communicator/motivator
like a coach.
be a solution looking for a problem
like a Democrat politician in the US.
gotta be able to create a villain out of
very little substance. Your the savior from
the villain.
villain could be a person, interest group,
virus, country.

Read books from bleeding heart liberals
and or NEOCONs
religious texts
watch sister wives on TLC

[Anonymous No.17778476]

>>17777532
But I want the community to be an actually good place. I'm not a sociopath. I guess I could have some psychological screening process for people who join.

[Anonymous No.17778501]

>>17774730
Step one: make a discord server

[Anonymous No.17778540]

>>17776081
The Romans who did this obviously didn't live according to Roman virtues you absolute mongloid

[Anonymous No.17778546]

>>17775791
WTF that movie sounds exactly like what I'm trying to do, I'm gonna check it out

[Anonymous No.17778690]

>>17774730
Start with a book club OP.

[Anonymous No.17778973]

>>17776595
Not sure what to elaborate on, cause it's a long story.

I had founded myself a very small cult that hung on everything I said, by sheer accident.

This all started with me fucking around on occult forums and ircs. I was mainly just in them to fuck with people, but I'm the kind of person who loses sight of what he's doing real quick so the trolling became a bizarre rp type deal where instead of just fucking with schizos, I would perpetually keep up this character.

I'd pretend to be this super psychic charismatic dude who never really boasted ever, but would always step up with answers to just about any problem(Even to shit he knew nothing about).

I'd mainly sit on the benches and wait till new users came in and chat with them out in the open for a bit, before segueing into pms. I'd also target unpopular users as well. These were my first 'recruits'.

I realized since most of these people were fueled on some hardcore escapism, that I could never up front challenge their fantasies, but instead would like, implant myself into their fantasies.

There was never really one method of doing this. I'd mainly just feed into their fantasies with my own styled narrative.

If I'm being honest, the cult primarily made itself. It took a couple months to get around a handful of people, but once I had them, they'd basically begun to build my reputation for me as this mystic guruman.

Suddenly these people would just bring their friends and other users to me for whatever kind of psychic intervention or advice they needed

I don't want my post to go on for too long, so I'll just say that I jumped ship after nearly unknowingly cucking some dude who wanted to kill me, before the unknowing cucking got underway. These two weird girls were also talking about my etheric children or some shit being borne into them willingly. Shit was getting too weird.

[Anonymous No.17778996]

>>17778973
>girls on the internet
Had me going until that.

[Anonymous No.17779021]

>>17778996
They were primarily all ugly schizos(Many were over weight).

These shenanigans were also moving into an irl phase when I had decided it was a good idea to try to sleep with one of them and gave them my address.

Thank fuck I moved almost immediately after I did that.

[Anonymous No.17779060]

>>17779021
>>17778973
Sounds like you attracted a lot of subhumans, you should have introduced human sacrifice of members before leaving the cult

[Anonymous No.17779067]

>>17774730
>want to do this because it's the only way to protect my future children from the materialistic degeneracy
Spirit is never stronger than flesh. Eventually, you are going to die, they'll be move away from you ideologically, and you won't have control over your children anymore. I would just teach them to be frugal, humble, de-empathize social media, and teach them how to be self reliant. That's all you really can do, but even that isn't a guarantee. I feel like, even more so, your suggestion is utopian because its been tried - what do you think Buddhists and Christians were attempting to do, and we've seen how that hasn't worked out.

[Anonymous No.17779110]

>>17775162
You don’t need a large property yourself, you can start smaller with a radical book club or a fraternal organisation and once you get a rich member with property build them up as you number 2.

[Anonymous No.17779144]

>>17779067
>Buddhists and Christians were attempting to do, and we've seen how that hasn't worked out.
Nigga have you never heard about Buddhist temples or the amish?

[Anonymous No.17779200]

>>17779144
Nigga, have you read a history book? Buddhists have been envious, murderous, rapists, greedy et cetera. Exceptions don't make the rule.
>You never heard about Buddhist temples
https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/1782969/temples-no-longer-safe-for-children

[Anonymous No.17779266]

>>17775162
Not really. The Aum cult in japan was started by some hobo and it only got rich as the cult progressed.

[Anonymous No.17779308]

>>17779200
You are talking about the average Joe, who isn't very dedicated to his own religion. I'm talking about creating a small devoted group of followers. Very different thing, you can compare the unwashed masses with an elite group

[Anonymous No.17779749]

>>17779067
>Spirit is never stronger than flesh.
Maybe yours isn't

[Anonymous No.17780165]

Bump

[Anonymous No.17780219]

Ysis Papers lays out how white peoples formed their cult of white supremacy.
It’s obviously what you get when you affirmative action an unqualified black woman all the up to a phD, but people buy what she’s selling, so something about it is effective.

[Anonymous No.17780258]

>>17774730
4chan already exists and you're here forever

[Anonymous No.17780601]

>>17774730
Before anything else, you need to be a charismatic leader and if you need to go to such a board looking for help you will NGMI. Sorry anon.

[Anonymous No.17780615]

>>17774730
>which mixes Roman values with a little bit of Nietzsche and Evola
AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH

[Anonymous No.17781192]

>>17774969
Do you honestly believe there's a difference between the sycophant demfags and the sycophant Trumpers?

[Anonymous No.17781297]

>>17774730
your cult is fucking gay

[Anonymous No.17781347]

>>17781297
And your point is...?

[Anonymous No.17781593]

>>17774786
I've also fantasised about this. Additionally, I feel a love of nature and high culture are essential.

A question for you though. Even if you do manage to raise an ubermensch - do you feel they'll be constrained or powerless to exercise their excellence in the world? Is your end goal to ultimately have an effect in the world or is it to isolate from it entirely?

[Anonymous No.17781613]

>>17775870
Off topic Evola question: an accelerationist anon on /pol/ referenced the phrase "fill the pit" as something from Evola, do you know which book its from?
>tell me what to do to fill the pit (as evola says) a little faster, to push a little more quickly the coming of kalki to end this age
>Evola talks about needing material to fill the pit to build the new world out of. Vishnu doesn’t send the kalki avatar until it’s really dark.

[Anonymous No.17781659]

>>17774730
>the traditional family
What is traditional family? I guess this is the extended clan-based family from the prehistory? Might work in your cult tbf.

[Anonymous No.17781676]

>>17774909
most people don't have the charisma for it to be fair.

[Anonymous No.17782927]

>>17781593
>do you feel they'll be constrained or powerless to exercise their excellence in the world?
To an extend yes, they wouldn't have the same ressources that let's say a billionaire is born with, so naturally they'll be constrained to some extend when it comes to making their mark on the world
>Is your end goal to ultimately have an effect in the world or is it to isolate from it entirely?
Yes, I want to have an effect on the world. Best case scenario would be that the commune works so well that normies realize they have been wrong all along and they change their hedonistic ways.... Obviously that's never going to happen, so I assume raising a nation of warrior philosophers who'll take over the country by force once our numbers are in the millions a few hundred years down the road would be the second best option

[Anonymous No.17782977]

>>17775056
If you know for a fact what you're starting is a cult and not a legitimate expression of faith, and you're uncharismatic enough to post begging for cult leader advice on 4channel, you are guaranteed to fail.
I'm an avowed White nationalist and even I can tell that this founding premise is deeply retarded.

[Anonymous No.17783014]

>>17782977
I shouldn't have called it a cult in the OP, because what I'm actually aiming for is more like a brotherhood or something along those lines

[Anonymous No.17783039]

>>17783014
Well, of course you shouldnt call it a cult.
You should look into books on the Aum cult in Japan, people only remember them from their gas attacks in the 90s of the Tokyo Subway, but they did far more crazy shit.
>Had about 1 billion dollars in funds by the end
>Cult leader claimed he was the incarnation of Jesus, Shiva, and Hitler
>Purchased weapons and weapons manufacturing machinery from several vendors, including the Russian Special forces
>They had enough sarin to kill 4 million people
>Started their own nuclear enrichment program in Australia
The leader also was a blind nobody who got rejected from college

[Anonymous No.17783050]

>>17783014
No, what you're aiming for is a cult. You would've thought your original post through much more thoroughly if you actually intended to do any of this rather than just virtue-signal to other extremely online but deeply noncommittal White nationalists/fascists/etc about your supposed ideological strength.

[Anonymous No.17783062]

Join a frat. It'll be fun and they use cult techniques. After that the most socially acceptable way to start a cult is to start a business, hire young impressionable people and be charismatic. I dont know other methods but I've seen these work to some extent. Good luck anon.

[Anonymous No.17783066]

To successfully start a cult you’ll need to be a narcissist at the very least. Sociopath will make it easier. Next you’ll need to be charismatic and be able to public speak. Next you’ll need an audience. Only people at their lowest and most vulnerable usually allow themselves to be fully subservient to another. If you can put it all together and convince them you are their leader then you’re set

[Anonymous No.17783118]

>>17783050
Meds. Take them.

[Anonymous No.17783357]

If you let this thread be archived while I sleep your mom will die very painfully

[Anonymous No.17783414]

>>17778540
You mean all the rich people? The plebs also lived like shit.
Your fantasy view of Rome does not exist.

[gєєηιυυs !!LM9Wb1rirMH No.17784429]

>>17774730
this is the only answer

[Anonymous No.17784766]

>>17774730
Where do I start with Evola?

[Anonymous No.17785929]

>>17783414
Holy shit you're a fucking retard mate, at no I point did I ever claim that every single Roman lived like that all the time. Do Christian values also not exist because some priest rape kids? Use your fucking brain dumbass

[Anonymous No.17785945]

>>17783414
Holy shit you're a fucking retard mate, at no I point did I ever claim that all Roman's lived according to those virtues at all times. I'm well aware that it's only a minority. Still those virtues were considered Roman and the people who lived according to them (like Cato) were revered in Roman society. I can't believe I even have to explain this to you

[Anonymous No.17785948]

>>17784766
By dropping him in the trashcan, turning 360 degrees, and walking away.

[Anonymous No.17786736]

>>17785948
But if you were to turn 360, youd be facing the same direction

[Anonymous No.17787282]

>>17786736
You fell for the bait!!! Trololololo

[Anonymous No.17787380]

>>17787282
Hahahaha no YOU fell for the reverse bait hahahaha

[Anonymous No.17787405]

>>17774730
>Books
It's all about personal charisma
Schizos, relitards, and insecure loser like OP will swallow anything as long as it is presented with absolute self-assuredness and enough nonsensical woo woo

Look at Wim Hof

[Anonymous No.17787476]

>>17787380

[Anonymous No.17787482]

>>17787405
Wim Hof is a retard, but the breathing method still works
Obviously he just stole it from Yoga though

[Anonymous No.17787821]

>>17787476
>>17787380
>>17787282
>>17786736
>>17785948

[Anonymous No.17787835]

>>17781347
you´re fucking gay

[Anonymous No.17788318]

>>17787835
I'm so fucking tired of you stupid trolls calling traps gay. It's not gay to be attracted to the feminine, gender is more than just genitals

[Anonymous No.17788326]

Dibs on being the Leader!

[Anonymous No.17788394]

>>17774730
>little bit of Nietzsche, self-overcoming
>frugalness, industriousness, family values

whats the point of pulling Nietzsche into this when youre just adopting the exact stagnant christian moral values he was rebelling against, but with added pagan LARPing

[Anonymous No.17788659]

>>17788394
>whats the point of pulling Nietzsche into this when youre just adopting the exact stagnant christian moral values he was rebelling against, but with added pagan LARPing

[Anonymous No.17788786]

Instead of starting a cult, just go the Hitler route and instead join a small party or movement and then turn it into a cult.

[Anonymous No.17788800]

>>17788318
Gender doesn’t exist. Only sex does. You are attracted to your same sex, you are homosexual, you are gay. Just because a man goes through a freak dystopian medical practice to look feminine doesn’t mean that the man stops being a man.

[Anonymous No.17789006]

>>17788800
You can't reduce gender and sexuality to genitals, it's more complex than that

[Anonymous No.17789898]

>>17789006
no

[Anonymous No.17790169]

>>17774730
join a cult and learn from the experience there, then branch out/leave to found your own. Or you can just create a small community with likeminded individuals somewhere remote without having to do the religious stuff, kind of like the mormons, but again, without the religion stuff

[Anonymous No.17790378]

>>17790169
You cant really leave a cult all that easily. Its better to join a pseudo-cult and transform it

[Anonymous No.17791804]

>>17774730
Having that many wives is NOT worth it, just bang some hookers.

[Anonymous No.17792661]

>>17774730
You should unironically read occult books that teach you how to manipulate your aura.