/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17763110]

why is this board so obssessed with the ocult and esotericism? Its literally just an aesthetically gay version of metaphysics. Just go read metaphysics instead of larping as an hinduist demi-god faggot

[Anonymous No.17763134]

because pretending to be a mystic is easier than studying history, the one true science.

[Anonymous No.17763142]

The occult is legit but you got to be schizo to get it.
I used to be into it deeply but then i had a psychotic break down and thought i was getting secret messages through music.

It all started with bowie dying.....

[Anonymous No.17763143]

>>17763110
because literature if a sad attempt to explain what it cannot be explained unless you believe

[Anonymous No.17763144]

>>17763134
>history, the one true science.
Based and historypilled

[Anonymous No.17763148]

>>17763110
Facts
>>17763142
Same but death grips lyrics

[Anonymous No.17763153]

It’s mostly the same set of autists sporting out about Guénon. I hide all such threads so I don’t even have to see that guys stupid face. Same with Spengler.

[Anonymous No.17763158]

>>17763134
>history, the one true science.
History is not a science, it is largely an immense meme

[Anonymous No.17763171]

>>17763134
>history
words words words

[Anonymous No.17763174]

>>17763110
We are animals that made it too far for our own good. OP, you are so detached from reality that you let men in suits influence you into believing that wendigos and gnomes don't exist.

[Anonymous No.17763183]

>>17763153
guenon i get but spengler? he was assumed reading up until about 50 years ago

[Anonymous No.17763193]

>>17763142
I really do believe that the occult is the only way for schizos to identify with metaphysical tought, so I guess it serves a purpose

[Anonymous No.17763195]

>>17763158
history is the product of the imagination which happens to be the only real thing

[Anonymous No.17763209]

>>17763171
>Esotericism
made up words made up words made up words

[Anonymous No.17763213]

>>17763171
>history
>logos logos logos
CORRECT

[Anonymous No.17763246]

>>17763195
History is a story told from unbelievably bad evidence. Like the most reasonable reaction to a very large number of historical questions is 'we don't really know'.

[Frater Asemlen !XS8vrClKs2 No.17763253]

I don’t really see a lot of general occult discussion, you get a stray hermeticism or Vedanta or Buddhism threads but other than that there’s nothing really that much, something like Vedanta or hermeticism or Buddhism has a ton of links to continental philosophy, history, a ton of fiction and general religious sentiments. I wouldn’t really consider that guenon and related stuff to be actual occultism, it’s more the midway point, they don’t actually practice any ceremonial magic or the like, IT IS basically just metaphysics and the like to them, by and large.

But there is a huge aesthetic component for many, if you read any of the decadents for example you’ll see a love of kabbalistic symbols and artifacts, and while this is a rather petty reason to study stuff, people do it.

I mean it’s ultimately fine for the discussions here, since it is all literature related, but I agree that anyone studying occultism without first studying the basics of metaphysics, ontology and philosophy in general are making a pretty huge mistake. Something like hermeticism, how can you study that without first studying Neoplatonism? And why are you studying Neoplatonism without first studying Plato and Aristotle? Then there’s so many links between people like hegel and boehme and so on and so forth.

[Anonymous No.17763261]

>>17763253
Nigger

[Anonymous No.17763275]

>>17763261
based

[Anonymous No.17763277]

>>17763246
So i suppose what you're trying to say that at the end of the day history is unknowable and just sound and fury, signifying nothing?

[Anonymous No.17763381]

>>17763277
yes

[Anonymous No.17763390]

>>17763381
seems like there's nothing else to talk about then

[Anonymous No.17763397]

Because they’re INFJs. INFJs must be killed

[Anonymous No.17763408]

>>17763253
Good post

[Anonymous No.17763424]

>>17763277
I'm saying you have to be deeply skeptical about historical narratives. The very large-scale facts of history, especially recently history, are easier to confirm but you are essentially just taking a handful of people's word for it, a decision which ultimately comes down to state power, whether formally or informally.

[Anonymous No.17763516]

>>17763397
>believing in astrology

[Anonymous No.17763571]

>>17763424
yes I agree we need to be hermeneutically and philologically rigorous. history, as it turns out, is comprised of individuals with goals and aspirations and technologies that revolutionized how those individuals perceived the world itself.
>you are essentially just taking a handful of people's word for it, a decision which ultimately comes down to state power
and an understanding of history on any level deeper than this is unfeasible? you make a lot of broad-stroke assumptions for someone who advises so fervently against broad-stroke assumptions. I disagree that history is as unknowable as you make it out to be.

[Anonymous No.17763575]

>>17763397
INFP*

[Anonymous No.17763657]

>>17763571
You can't verify the past. People simply don't want to accept how deeply this assfucks any certainty about history. You can find physical evidence and documentation and stuff, but the further you get away from the event the more you are trusting what various people and institutions tell you about these things, it is almost impossible to overstate how much less certain you can be about this then eg. the rate of acceleration of an object falling.

[Anonymous No.17763704]

>>17763657
then you have to be a quietist about history. it's a coherent view to have—just not one i'm sympathetic to. there is nothing else to talk about if not this.

[Anonymous No.17763708]

>>17763575
y tho?

[Anonymous No.17763737]

>>17763708
INFJs are on /pol/ or in the spengler threads or wherever
INFPs are the one who care about mysticism and discovering their inner self and other gay shit

[Anonymous No.17763766]

>>17763261
kys

[Anonymous No.17763790]

>>17763704
do you not worry you're deluding yourself?

[Anonymous No.17763818]

>>17763790
of course. welcome to the hermeneutic cycle.
"standing water breeds reptiles of the mind" - blake

[Anonymous No.17763883]

>>17763110
a consequence of being déclassé

[Anonymous No.17763893]

>>17763818
Yeah but this isn't science, this is esoteric meme stuff. Science actually means something, it's about independent verification, which you can't do regarding past events very well.

[Anonymous No.17763903]

>>17763110
Because reddit likes science, metaphysics and atheism. That's literally it. If it was the opposite you'd have /lit/ full of staunch atheists.

[Anonymous No.17763961]

>>17763893
you mean the science that emerged out of a christian alchemical tradition after they realized their ancient emerald tablets were forgeries? the alchemical tradition that evolved out of applying the tools of biblical exegesis developed through medieval scholasticism onto material reality? Francis Bacon was very well versed in the hermetic tradition and so was the entirety of the english court under elizabeth for that matter. this is not "epic esoteric magic", this is literary criticism and history. philosopher's stone = ultimate hermeneutic with which to interpret all of reality. there's not superstition here.

[Anonymous No.17763984]

>>17763766
Nigger
>>17763253
Frater asemlen? More like crater the gremlin. Nigger.

[Anonymous No.17764001]

>>17763961
It is arguable whether it emerged out of that but even if it did, that doesn't change what it is. I tell you that an object accelerates at a certain rate, you can check that for yourself by doing the experiment yourself. Surely you understand the difference between this and history

[Frater Asemlen !XS8vrClKs2 No.17764009]

>>17763984
Actually made me laugh. Kek

[Anonymous No.17764053]

>>17763253
I agree with this. I've spent years studying philosophy and I only just recently feel like I appreciate the occult and hermeticism as the next step after studying neoplatonism, which was itself the step after studying Plato, which itself took years of studying philosophy in general to appreciate as more than just some classroom "theory."

We moderns are buried in crap. It takes years to loosen up, and you usually have to get lucky and meet people who can help. You can also get unlucky and encounter pseudo-initiations that absorb you into their egregore and freeze you at that level, sometimes with catastrophic results. I can't imagine how dangerous it is to experiment with the occult without having spent plenty of time proving your seriousness, to yourself most of all. I sometimes wonder if we have civilisationally relapsed so much that our job should be more like ground-clearing for a future generation that can open these things up again in earnest, rather than getting greedy and trying to rush headlong into them because some of our ancestors did.

[Anonymous No.17764064]

>>17764053
I realize it would be impossible to explain the entire process you're talking about here but could you summarize briefly the stages you went through and their significance? Or maybe rec a text that describes a similar progression?

[Anonymous No.17764085]

>>17764001
the scientific vocabulary that allows you to even conceive of something like this were produced by historic and technological contingencies that go all the way back to the discovery of fire. it's not a magic system that fell from the sky given to us by god. you cannot understand modern science without understanding history because history precedes it and is latent in it.

[Anonymous No.17764095]

>>17763148
Death Grips are insanely mystical so it's no wonder.

[Anonymous No.17764118]

>>17764085
No I think it is as basic as saying 'show me how it works, I want to see for myself'. There is nothing esoteric about the process at all, it's just formalizing that thought into a social system.

[Anonymous No.17764130]

>>17763110
When your life sucks shit pretending you're a wizard makes it hurt less

[Anonymous No.17764606]

>>17763110
Cause they're teenage zoomers

[Anonymous No.17764633]

>>17763110
Losers coping with their material success in life, so they pretend that they are the winners in some mumbo jumbo spiritual journey or something.

[Anonymous No.17764663]

>>17763110
cuz the elites are in to it

[Anonymous No.17764671]

Lots of angry materialists ITT

[Anonymous No.17764721]

The occult is pseud bait. Every "occultist" i've talked to is either literally retarded or a pretentious cunt

[Anonymous No.17764736]

>>17763737
What are the INTPs doing

[Anonymous No.17764756]

>>17764736
They're debating about autistic shit in the philosophy threads

[Anonymous No.17765018]

>>17764756
Delet

[Anonymous No.17765657]

>>17764095
Beware is really fucking kino.
>I close my eyes and seize it
>I clench my fist and beat it
>I light my torch and burn it
>I am the beast I worship
Oozing with style.

[Anonymous No.17765687]

>>17763657
Very true. Investigating all the bullshit around 9/11 totally destroyed my faith in mainstream versions of “history,” knowing as I now do that, unless some tremendous paradigm shift happens, textbooks will have it recorded that “19 Muslim jihadis took over three planes armed with boxcutters, smashed one of them into Pentagon, and used the other two to destroy three buildings in NYC.”

[Anonymous No.17765728]

>>17764756
s..shut up

[Anonymous No.17765736]

Very true. Investigating all the bullshit around 9/11 totally destroyed my faith in mainstream versions of “history,” knowing as I now do that, unless some tremendous paradigm shift happens, textbooks will have it recorded till the end of Western civilization that “19 Muslim jihadis took over three planes armed with boxcutters, smashed one of them into Pentagon, and used the other two to destroy three buildings in NYC.” History is written by the victor.

[Anonymous No.17765748]

>>17765736
Response to >>17763657

[Anonymous No.17765752]

>>17765687
>back off of castro

Literally not what JFK had in mind.

[Anonymous No.17766063]

>>17763110
Because theyre faggots

[Anonymous No.17766095]

>>17763110
You’re absolutely correct. It’s all fake, made up shit with little to no effect on real history unlike mainstream religions (which make them worth studying)

I got deep into “researching” conspiracy theories and occultism until one day I realized I sounded like a complete retard, most of the things I wasted time on were based on hoaxes, and deep down inside I knew it was all fake and was just trying to impress people.

>>17763134
This 100%. It’s a fake put on

[Anonymous No.17766127]

>>17765736
Except JFK didn’t want to back off Castro nor did he want to deescalate Vietnam. In fact he authorised the possibility of a second invasion of Cuba this time with explicit military aid.

JFK being a right wing coup orchestrated by the Dulles brothers, LBJ and Westmoreland hinges completely on JFK being a liberal dove which he absolutely was not. JFK was a cold warrior through and through.

[Anonymous No.17766195]

>>17763193
>schizos
You mean normies watching best of /x/ posts and reading creepypastas

[Anonymous No.17766533]

>>17763142
based bowieposter

[Anonymous No.17766597]

>>17766127
No, this is just plainly untrue.

[Anonymous No.17766603]

>>17765657
YUH

Lord of the game is my favourite desu. Something about the girl adds a whole different dimension

[Anonymous No.17766610]

>>17763134
>American history

[Anonymous No.17766784]

>>17763110
It helps fill the void for people who lack religion in their life. Makes the world feel more magical and in a way comforting. It's a harmless coping mechanism.

[Anonymous No.17766908]

>>17766784
true

[Anonymous No.17766925]

>>17763110
>hinduist

[Anonymous No.17766935]

>>17766784
>harmless coping mechanism
That's always how it starts ha ha ha

[Anonymous No.17768299]

>>17763110
Esotericism is based desu

[Anonymous No.17768376]

https://voca.ro/19YqCiUQpULs

[Anonymous No.17768429]

>>17768376
Based

[Anonymous No.17768882]

>>17763110
Because /x/ is garbage for any discussion of theory and praxis.
>>17764053
>clearing the ground
This is a sentiment I experienced visceraly studying Hermeticism. It feels like knowing I will not be some ethereal sage as would be expected, but that I will pave the way for something like it.
>>17765657
I am on my phone else I would give a link, but look up Hellware, its Beware mixed with Hellwalker from the DOOM soundrack.

[Anonymous No.17768896]

>>17763110
>Its literally just an aesthetically gay version of metaphysics
It's literally the other way around. Academic "metaphysics" is an aesthetically gay version of real, "occult" metaphysics.

[Anonymous No.17768986]

>Why talk about esotericism instead of history
Because >>>/his/ is that way.
Also because its genuinely interesting to see how these lines of thought have gone underground for most if not all of human civilization yet routinely persevered and was pushed by people of immense power leading to the cosmic tier memes that are the CIA experiments.

[Anonymous No.17770457]

because pretending to be a historicist is easier than studying mysticism, the one true science.