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1776135 No.1776135 [Reply] [Original]

Explain cigarettes to me. I can't understand why so many writers who are smarter than I'll ever be pick them up. Is it just the hipster thing to do?

>> No.1776136

Which writers are you talking about.

I dont see how the most consumed habit in the world is 'hipster' its not very hip when its a gazillion dollar industry.

>> No.1776143

I don't think it's about whether you ever pick them up or not, it's about whether you can ever put them down again. For some people, once you're hooked, that's it - you're never satisfied until you get that nicotine hit. Without it, it feels like your brain's not working properly.

>> No.1776148

It is enjoyable, but I've found that I can't really describe why to someone who has never enjoyed it themselves.

>> No.1776163

Same reason people do anything else, it's enjoyable. A fine cigar or coffee and cigarettes with a book makes for awesome times

>> No.1776188

>>1776136
It's ironic.

>>1776135
It's enjoyable and makes you hate life less.

>> No.1776191

Einstein picked up loose tobacco he found to put in his pipe.

>> No.1776201

smoking cigarettes is absolutely fucking retarded

>> No.1776210

The ratio of smoking writers to non-smoking writers is exactly that of smoking people to non-smoking people.

>> No.1776214

>>1776210
I dare to say it's bigger, but who am I to know this.

>> No.1776459

they go good with the booze

>> No.1776463

>>1776135
>implying that life has a meaning and that meaning involves only doing things that are "healthy."

Seariouslmy, gtfo you will nevery be a good authomor,

>> No.1776477

Any (former) smokers here increasingly disliked cigarettes the more you smoked them? I don't even like them when I'm shitfaced now, only acid and ecstasy can make them enjoyable.

>> No.1776486

>>1776477
same

>> No.1776490

I like the way it feels when I smoke them and it's a nice way to unwind.

Authors probably smoke often because they usually border on mental illness and have issues that lead them to rely on bad habits like smoking. Maybe I'm projecting, heh.

>> No.1776879

Smokers annoy me. Not enough to lecture then, because I hate people who meddle in other people's lives, but they annoy me. Lol when they get cancer and die.

>> No.1776885
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1776885

Initializing dumping of smoking writers folder.
Julio Cortazar 1/?

>> No.1776886

If you don't take them regularly, forget the filter and inhale deeply, you get a pretty decent buzz.

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>>1776885
I hope pipes count as well.
Faulkner 2/?

>> No.1776891

>>1776201
buttmad introvert detected

>> No.1776894
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Simone de Beauvoir
3/?

>> No.1776900

Fuck I hate hipsters

>> No.1776904
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1776904

4/?

>> No.1776908

>>1776879
you laugh when people get cancer and die?

you belong on /b/ since you are a cancerous personality.

>> No.1776912

I fucking hate these Frenchies, writing existentialist stuff and doesn't afraid of lung cancer.

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>>1776912

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>>1776916

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>>1776916
>>1776904

What's the fucking point of this?

It was rare NOT to fucking smoke back then.

Any idea that it helps your writing is just fucking vapid.

Good writing doesn't come from bouts of escapist euphoria but from confronting reality. Fuck this shitty hipster propaganda.

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>>1776922

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>>1776917
Implying I don't have a folder of smoking writers because I love them and I myself love smoking.
5/?

>> No.1776943

I hate smoking with the exception of really good looking woman who smoke. I think the reason for the exception is because in a way, I equate the esthetics of smoking to that of sucking a cock.

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>>1776943
6/?

>> No.1776953

>>1776943
you seem like an extreme homophobe

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>>1776943
u mad?

>> No.1776960

>>1776929

jelly of inoperable lung cancer?

jelly of your inability to act according to your own impulses instead of trying to appeal to some vacuous ephemeral fashion?

jelly of you sacrificing your intellectual integrity in the absurd struggle to appear cool?

>>1776931

do you realise how stupid it is to like something for the sole reason that other people like them?

Obviously you are a weak person without the integrity to be able to fight even the most shallow and glaringly debasing forms of collectivism.

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1776961

I've been trying my hand at writing detective noir stories while listening to Bohren & Der Club of Gore. The whole experience is much more enjoyable when I smoke. I can't explain why.

>> No.1776962
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1776962

Real men smoke cigars, or pipes

>> No.1776965

>>1776962

Or, in Freud's case, cock.

>> No.1776967

Smoking is an act that allows the body to remain occupied while the mind works things over. It is an act that allows one to be contemplative while performing it.

>> No.1776968

>>1776965
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"
I think the lady doth protest too much, Sigmund.

>> No.1776970

This thread made me need a cigg. Now I have to get dressed and walk to the store, THANKS FOR BEING A BAD INFLUENCE ON MY LIFE /LIT?

>> No.1776971

>>1776965

Wasn't that what I just said.

Smoking anything = oral fixation = desire to suck cock

>> No.1776973

>>1776967
why not just think without doing anything?

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>>1776960
My head is full of billions and billions of I'm not even mad.
7/?

>> No.1776982

don't forget, writers are often pretty depressed people, c.f. all the existentialist writers that anon dumped.

Cigarettes are relaxing and make emotional problems etc. pretty manageable in the way they allow a day to be routinized around scheduled relief breaks (something to look forward to, I guess)

>> No.1776985

>>1776977

honestly bro

we've established that everyone smoked 50~ years ago.

tell me what you like actually about smoking.

>> No.1776984

From a purely biological angle, nicotine has been shown to help with the symptoms of ADD. It's also a stimulant, like coffee. Of course, it's addictive. There's also, I think, a very social component: everyone smoked.

>> No.1776988

>>1776943
>woman who smoke

I am disgusted by this and I smoke.

My double standards know no bounds.

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>>1776985
I dont even smoke but I can still see the appeal. Its a choice and it makes sense to me. I think you are mad because you don't get it.

>> No.1776994

>>1776985

I like butts! They are a tasty treat when I have had a shitty day. Especially clove mini-cigars (i.e.: clove cigarettes were made illegal, so they just wrapped them in funny paper). They are tasty when you are drunk. They are fun to smoke on your porch while you watch the world go by. They are amazing when you turn them into spliffs. Hurray, nicotine!

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>>1776985
I think /lit/'s favorite writer knew exactly what I like about smoking:
"I often wonder about the hours when a man sits alone, watching the smoke of a cigarette, thinking. I wonder what great things have come from such hours. When a man thinks, there is a spot of fire alive in his mind—and it is proper that he should have the burning point of a cigarette as his one expression.”

>> No.1777013

>>1777000

>bukowski
>good

also that's a poetic comparison between the burning of a cigarette and of the process of though, he wasn't saying one directly influences the other.

>> No.1777016

>>1777000
>Implying that quote is by Bukowski and not by Ayn Rand.

>> No.1777625

some people smoke, some people don't smoke.

deal with it.

>> No.1777626

>>1777625
And people who smoke are disgusting

>> No.1777628

kids smoke cigarettes in a desperate attempt to appear mature. Every liberal arts yuppie I've ever met smokes cigarettes.

>> No.1777629

>>1777626
I smoke sometimes and I assure you that I am not disgusting.

>> No.1777643

>>1776985
I like that it's a very easy release from the people around me. I honestly don't mind that I have to go smoke outside or anything. My cigarette breaks during work are the best part of my work day. I get to leave the shitty noises, go outside, sit on a bench, and inhale something that gives me a pleasant, yet mild sense of relief that I get from nothing else in just such a way.
When I was younger working construction, I would ease onto my couch with a long, contented sigh as I popped the top off of a bottle of beer and lighted a cigarette. It's enjoyable, it helps with stress, and unless it's to bum a cigarette, people leave me the fuck alone while I'm doing it. The buzz only happens rarely, but it's just a heady dizziness that isn't uncomfortable to me.
I think people who hate on smokers are simply arrogant and looking for a basis of superiority which they've found in the pariah-like status of smokers in modern society.
But then I also think smokers who treat it as a right and don't think we as smokers should be considerate to non-smokers regarding the way it smells, the health concerns, etc. are fucking deluded.

>> No.1777660

Regardless of whether smoking is cool or not, what definitely is NOT cool is making a big deal about it like a 12 year old.

>> No.1777663

>>1777643
Well put.
If you enjoy it, smoking is a beautiful release. In very sparse moderation, it does not acutely damage your health.

>> No.1777667

im 15 when should i start smoking i want to become a great writer and let people know of my greatness

>> No.1777679

>>1777667
Word.

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>>1776879

mfw when you get cancer and die, regardless of your anal, non-smoking lifestyle.

>> No.1778616

>Lol when they get cancer and die.

remind my why this is in any way funny?

>> No.1778618

>>1778616

Anyone who uses the word 'lol' either has no sense of humour or is sociopathic.
Lulz on the other hand...

>> No.1778633

Everyone has a habit. Some smoke, some drink, some eat too much, some spend too much.

We all do things that are, in a way, bad for us. Why? Because life is too short to worry about everything that is going to kill us. Sometimes it's worth it to sacrifice time, for comfort.

>> No.1779451

I smoke because I find it to be a fantastic break from writing or reading. Several minutes outside, huffing on a drug is a godsend after spending an hour or multiple hours reading or writing indoors.

>> No.1779457

>>1778633
But smoking isn't comforting unless you're already addicted.. So it's stupid to start in the first place.

>> No.1779467

>>1779457

this is like saying you'd rather live in brave new world than a real society. i'll take the ups and downs of REAL life and smoking thank you very much.

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>>1779467
How is it like that at all? All I'm saying is that you can't use the excuse "it's comforting and you only live once" if it's not comforting except to the people who already do it.

Hiking on Mt Huashan is an "only live once" risk.

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> Stimulant
> Short-acting
> Dosage can be finely controlled
> Can be consumed repeatedly without leaving desk
> Wonders why writers use it

>> No.1779514

>>1779508
Caffeine does all that without fucking killing you.

>> No.1780657

>>1779514
Cigarettes last what, eight or nine minutes? And you get 24 of those little bastards and not have to get up to refill a pot with water or anything? Hmm.

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>>1780657

>thinks there's 24 cigarettes in a pack

>> No.1780869

>>1779514
It really doesn't do it the same way, strangely enough.
The first couple cigarettes I smoked each brought about fantastic letters to people who I wasn't sure how to talk to. After that the effect sort of died off and eventually it became something of a nervous tic that happened once or twice a day. I've cut down to one a week, but I am still not entirely sure if I want to quit just yet. (It's been about two years.)
The thing is, yeah, it's bad. But that's why I started it in the first place. I wanted something self-destructive because I was tired of trying to be healthy and reasonable all the time. I'm not sure if it's made any great, lasting impact on my life yet (lol lungs) but I can say at least that I've had a number of wonderful moment that were improved by the knowledge that I was indulging in a little self-destruction. Maybe that won't feel justified in the end. Who knows?

>> No.1780881

>>1780675
>Implying I wasn't using it as a rhetorical object.

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1780885

a lot of the writers /lit/ worships were smoking tobacco before tobacco was considered unhealthy by the majority of society

>> No.1780890

>>1780885
LOL

Vonnegut referred to smoking as "The classy way to commit suicide." And he smoke Pall-Malls.

>> No.1780891

>>1780657
8-9 minutes? More like 2-4.

How do you gentlemen feel about pipes? I have some beautiful briar pipes and a high quality English tobacco smoked through one of them is a blissful way to spend an hour with a book.

>> No.1780896

>>1780890
I didn't say "vonnegut", I said a lot of them

>implying /lit/ worships vonnegut

actually, you'd think there'd be more vonnegut cock-sucking than there is on here

>> No.1780916

>>1776900

These days it's more hipster to be a vegetarian/vegan than to be a smoker. Jonathan Safran Foer and all that crap.

>> No.1780924

>>1780891
If you are a young man about the age of 20-30, you will look like an ass and a joke smoking a pipe. This also goes for long hair and fedoras. You don't look cool you will never look cool because most people can smell how desperate you are to be "unique".

>> No.1780925

>>1780891
What the fuck kind of shitty cigarettes are you smoking?

>> No.1781130

>>1780924
I don't particularly care about how I look and I only smoke pipes at home. I love how a good pipe looks and feels and the various flavors of tobacco. Places like smokingpipes.com have a fantastic range of high quality pipe tobacco.

As for the cigarettes, I smoke fairly high quality smokes considering. I don't know ANYONE that takes 9 minutes to smoke a single cigarette.

>> No.1781138

>>1781130
A nine min smoke. Most of them don't last more than 5 min at the most. What the fuck are you smoking, those little cigars?

>> No.1781157

>>1781138
No, ask the guy who said a smoke lasts him 8-9 minutes. Takes me 2-4 and he asked what type of shit smokes I buy.

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1781162

It's fucking glamorous.

PAY YOUR RATES-AH!

>> No.1781306

>>1781162

where's the cursor? where's the eraser?