How Do You Justify Not Wanting To Have Sex With A Trans Man or Woman?

[Anonymous No.17754410]

Recently, the term super straight started trending as a new sexual orientation. Identifying as super straight means that you are only attracted to the person that was born the opposite gender. This angered many in the LGBT+ community and numerous articles were made attacking those who started identifying as super straight. They are saying that engaging in sexual activity with a trans person does not make anyone less straight, and that the logic behind being super straight is stupid because they claim to like women, yet are excluding an entire group of women.

What do you guys think about this? How should one respond to accusations that they are transphobic for wanting to pursue relationships exclusively with those of the opposite sex? Are there any books that attempt to answer this question?

[Anonymous No.17754416]

>>17754410
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.17754418]

>>17754410
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.17754451]

>>17754410
>What do you guys think about this?
This superstraight shit is pretty gay

[Anonymous No.17754456]

>>17754416
>>17754418
How would famous philosophers respond to accusations that they are transphobic for preferring to have relationships with members of the opposite sex who were born the opposite sex?

[Anonymous No.17754495]

>>17754456
Would you rather fuck Andrea Dworkin or pic related? Sexual attraction isn't so simple, some of these "superstraights" have undoubtedly been attracted to a trans woman without even knowing it

[Anonymous No.17754511]

>>17754410
Just say "I'm normal."

[Anonymous No.17754530]

>>17754495
Once they realise a person in trans they will instantly lose attraction for them. Which makes sense because a heterosexual man cannot be attracted to a man cosplaying as a women

[Anonymous No.17754551]

>>17754495
Knowledge of them being trans makes them unattractive though

[Anonymous No.17754582]

>>17754416
>>17754418
It’s okay. The anon asked for a book recommendation.

[Anonymous No.17754593]

>>17754495
>>17754410
Im not transphobic not my fault every last one is completely insufferable. No matter how well they manage to imitate the apeearance of actual women they cant hide the fact they are just incels in drag

[Anonymous No.17754605]

>>17754530
>>17754551
Cope

[Anonymous No.17754615]

>>17754551
But why? All other things being equal I can't see how it makes a difference

[Anonymous No.17754645]

>>17754615
Tbh it’s mostly because I want children

[Anonymous No.17754647]

>>17754615
Its weird and creepy. Even the minirity that even look close to the real thing are obviously mentally ill and highly ideological, the sort of people one should try to keep as far away as possible

[Anonymous No.17754651]

>How Do You Justify Not Wanting To Have Sex With A Trans Man or Woman?
I'm normal.

[Anonymous No.17754656]

>>17754647
>Even the minirity that even look close to the real thing are obviously mentally ill and highly ideological, the sort of people one should try to keep as far away as possible
You could say the same about the people who post here

[Anonymous No.17754672]

>>17754410
You can't, it's very arbitrary.

[Anonymous No.17754693]

/thread

[Anonymous No.17754702]

>>17754410
At 22 i'm already way way too old for these freaks. Dont you think normal people can tell what they are really after?

[Anonymous No.17754707]

I only like biological vaginas
Simple as

[Anonymous No.17754710]

>>17754693
amogus

[Anonymous No.17754721]

>>17754651
>>17754511
/thread

[Anonymous No.17754728]

>>17754656
>You could say the same about the people who post here
I wouldn't have sex with them either.

[Anonymous No.17754736]

>>17754656
They are pathetic i might be a mentally ill autist neet but at least i wont lower myself to the level of cutting off my dick and calling people bigots for refusing to have sex with me. T

[Anonymous No.17754741]

>>17754645
You can adopt kids you bigot.

[Anonymous No.17754753]

>>17754741
perhaps he wants his OWN biological children and not to raise someone else's mistakes

[Anonymous No.17754755]

>>17754410
The lgbtsjwtfnpc community
The cultural marxism community
The biopolitics social engineering community
The lgbthivaids community

[Anonymous No.17754772]

>>17754755
fuck all "communities"

[Anonymous No.17754777]

>>17754605
what?

[Anonymous No.17754781]

I’m just repulsed by the fact that the person was born with a cock. How is that a hard concept to grasp. Their chromosomes are still the same. It’s still a man. I wouldn’t consider a lower body amputee a different gender just because their reproductive organ was gone.

[Anonymous No.17754795]

>>17754410
Maybe the people who brought the term should specify what kind of woman they are attracted to. So the definition would be "only attracted to biologically female" or something like that. Then, the counter-arguments will no longer apply.

[Anonymous No.17754800]

>>17754410
>Justify
Why would one justify their sexual preferences? Would you have sex with a furry animal? Just because someone finds them attractive doesn't mean you must.
Heck, heterosexual sex is two people having a different taste having sex with one another. One could say, a profound disagreement...
One finds the male body attractive, and the other the female body.

[Anonymous No.17754822]

>>17754656
This. The obsession with trannies is literally projection.

[Anonymous No.17754840]

>>17754822
Its the cultural marxist in the media and the trannies themselves which insist in shoving their putrid ideology down our childrens throats. They overplayed their hand and are now facing a well deserved backlash

[Anonymous No.17754854]

>>17754410
>Justify
Why do I need a reason? I just don't like it. Like Islam or negros, trannies are not "beautiful" to me." One can say it is an aesthetic outlook but it is pretty basic.

[Anonymous No.17754862]

If you haven't read this yet you should.

[Anonymous No.17754864]

>>17754840
They're less than 1% of the population. Take your meds please.

[Anonymous No.17754867]

Are we at the point of needing a /lit/ranny general?

[Anonymous No.17754889]

>>17754854
Because the cult of muh equality. Sexual preferences are the next form of discrimination leftist fanatics are going after you cant refuse obese or transgender people sex because it is a form of racism or something

[Anonymous No.17754896]

>>17754864
And they’re everywhere

[Anonymous No.17754897]

>>17754864
For now yes, read >>17754862 to find out how they are recruiting (and mutlitating) young people.

[Anonymous No.17754902]

Every day I become more utterly convinced that sex is the most evil, vile, disgusting, rotten, prideful, most-deserving-of-eradication thing in existence. All of us are guilty, disgusting, sinful trash.

[Anonymous No.17754903]

>>17754451
It is a psyop. The whole thing is implying people who claim to be "straight" are attracted to troons by default.

>>17754456
They'd tell you to fuck off

>>17754495
Sorry faggot, random pictures of "women" does not work on me unlike most /pol/tards. I only like really fat woman or frail boyish looking boys, which either way based on the principle of there design have to look absolutely female or male, I hate in-betweens.

[Anonymous No.17754910]

>>17754864
In an ideal world they would be 0% of the population. Imo they arent killing themselves fast enough.

[Anonymous No.17754921]

>>17754864
Presumably you'd say the same about the 1% of the population that own most of the wealth.

[Anonymous No.17754926]

I don't justify it, I simply don't wish to do so.

[Anonymous No.17754928]

>>17754772
pick it up chief

>>17754889
I have said this before, but neo liberalism stands on nothing but secular morality, which assumes there is no God. No God equals no repercussions, even for things they think of as evil such as racism and sexism. If only we could get the scicucks to realize this we could flip society on it's head.

[Anonymous No.17754935]

>>17754921
oy vey

[Anonymous No.17754938]

>>17754926
>I don't justify it, I simply don't wish to do so.
The only practical answer

[Anonymous No.17754943]

>>17754862
Looks good, here's a link for those interested.....

https://archive.org/details/the-transgender-industrial-complex-scott-howard

[Anonymous No.17754952]

>>17754410
what the fuck do you mean justify?

If I don't want to fuck a (((trans man))) or (((trans woman))) I don't want to, and I don't have to justify that.

I am the master of my own body. Morality is a spook, and everyone that claims otherwise is a retard.

[WOLFSHIEM !!tuOwy1ct2dy No.17754957]

>>17754410
People who simply identify as women aren't women in the first place so on the surface level using the term "super straight" to denote exclusivity to women who aren't trans is silly. What this is is the right playing the postmodern LGBT community's stupid game, however. And that's fine because they're playing by the rules.

[Anonymous No.17754960]

>>17754864
Still doesn’t change the fact that they are being shown fucking everywhere. Gen Z is more pozzed than any previous generation, do you really think that’s a coincidence?

https://abc7.com/lgbt-gallup-poll-gen-z-lgbtq-how-many-americans-are-gay/10367562/

[Anonymous No.17754966]

>>17754902
The procreative faculty is among the higher faculties that humanity possesses. The problem is that the nobler a thing is, the worse it becomes when turned against its purpose. Satan was created among God's finest angels, you'll note. The bodily union of husband and wife to create a new life is among the most sacred charges God has granted us, but sex when corrupted or perverted becomes one of the most evil things humans are capable of.

[Anonymous No.17754975]

>>17754864
These people are deranged, they want anything but to be left alone.

[Anonymous No.17754976]

Amongus. Fortnite fortnite 19 dollar card tiktotok nigger faggots

[WOLFSHIEM !!tuOwy1ct2dy No.17754987]

>>17754926
This. You can justify it but that would be putting scrutiny on sexual orientation and other orientations refuse to do onto themselves.
>>17754615
>all other things being equal
You know damn well this is never the case.

[Anonymous No.17754989]

>>17754410
https://i.4cdn.org/qa/1615400945608.jpg
Seek help or ngmi
https://youtu.be/ITJmLqYramE
https://youtu.be/_SXOINrK0kI
https://youtu.be/RgKhA2qDdBg

[Anonymous No.17754997]

>>17754903
>They'd tell you to fuck off
So they would tell trannies to fuck off? Cool!

[Anonymous No.17755012]

>>17754410
>>>/pol/
You will never be a real woman.

[WOLFSHIEM !!tuOwy1ct2dy No.17755013]

>>17754975
Most actually suffering wish to be left alone and to be made normal in whatever way they think they can. The issue of derangement seems to come from the flamboyant types and political activists who try to speak for them.

[Anonymous No.17755022]

>>17754902
And the best way to get rid of it? Well by getting rid of genders and age of consent laws of course.
Nice try kike.

[Anonymous No.17755065]

>>17754410
Just say that you don’t like penis, you can have genital preference

[Anonymous No.17755082]

>>17754410
trans women are trans women, not women, otherwise they'd just call themselves women

[Anonymous No.17755090]

>>17754896
>that quote
Good God

[Anonymous No.17755096]

>>17755013
Strangely these types of people you’re talking about never seem to denounce the more radical types within their movement.

[Anonymous No.17755099]

>>17754615
That's the thing: they are not equal, not even close, to the real thing. Most trannies only look like women in heavily flattering and edited pics.

[Anonymous No.17755112]

>>17755013
I mean the fact alone that all childrens entertainment is made by pedophiles is bound to result in civilizational levels sexual neurosis add in the computational propaganda

[SAGE No.17755116]

SAGE

[Anonymous No.17755120]

>>17754864
lol bullshit. they're popping up everywhere around where i live. it's like some sort of mass psychosis

[Anonymous No.17755125]

>>17754410
>how do you justify not wanting to play pretend with me

[Anonymous No.17755130]

>>17755022
> age of consent laws of course.
That is all you need to know.
That is the end game.

[Anonymous No.17755146]

>>17755130
>2020
Well where's my cunny now in 2021? Shit image.

[Anonymous No.17755158]

>>17755013
First they play identity politics and tell you you are an irredimable bigot for daring to be born white and straight but now that they are getting pushback they play the old aren't we all the same card as a cover for the same toxic ideology.

[WOLFSHIEM !!tuOwy1ct2dy No.17755160]

>>17755096
Because they're weak and suffering and clinging to whatever hope they can. Hence they become victims of radicals and get unreasonably protected by radicals with power.

[Anonymous No.17755169]

>>17754495
that's a man....

[Anonymous No.17755210]

>>17754864
So how come 99 percent of the rest of us have to put up with your tranny shit everywhere?

[Anonymous No.17755215]

>>17754864
kys

[WOLFSHIEM !!tuOwy1ct2dy No.17755218]

>>17755158
>collectivizing groups
Not my thing, not thorough enough. Jordan Peterson made similar comments to me from his own interaction with the group. The people who actually seem to be suffering from dysphoria tend to want to be "made" normal but do not know how. They become prey for radicalized types that wish to normalize them before they wish to understand them.

[Anonymous No.17755222]

Just accuse such people of being authoritarian and leave. They lament imposing of taste/standards by others by are shocked when everyone doesn't sublimate to theirs. Not worth the time.

[Anonymous No.17755291]

>>17755222
The real authoritarians are those who support or make apologies for white supremacist heteronormative capitalist patriarchy not marginalized people fighting against systems of oppression

[SAGE No.17755298]

>>17754702
fucking kek

also
>reply to this thread
>options
>SAGE

[Anonymous No.17755300]

>>17755291

[Anonymous No.17755305]

>>17755291
you're pretty good at bait writing anon have you considered submitting articles to Vox?

[Anonymous No.17755343]

>>17755291
You're not "oppressed" if you can make people lose their jobs, be blacklisted in society over not being attracted or accepting of transgendered and have the power to drug and mutilate children. So no fuck off with muh oppression.

[Anonymous No.17755352]

>>17755305
He probably does write for Vox and yes I'm aware his Twitter pronouns are she/her btw.

[SAGE No.17755363]

>>17754862
It's banned from amazon, so I guess it'll be worth a read then

[Anonymous No.17755380]

>>17754410
The best response is not to engage with them, especially online. Just don't write anything, because these people will not understand it or will deliberately misinterpret what you're trying to say.

[Anonymous No.17755392]

The Bible

[Anonymous No.17755394]

>>17755343
Cancel culture is just consequence culture marginalized people have a right to gight back against fascism and bigotry

[Anonymous No.17755408]

>>17754903
>It is a psyop
You're not wrong. But it originated on /pol/ with an intent very different than what you describe

[Anonymous No.17755417]

>>17755380
The only way to engage with this people is driving a basebal bat through their faggy pink haired skulls, violence is the only language they understand

[Anonymous No.17755430]

>>17755417
>violence is the only language they understand
>says the guy who says the only way to communicate is violence
Try to be less obvious

[WOLFSHIEM !!tuOwy1ct2dy No.17755431]

>>17755380
This, in effect, is letting them control the conversation out of fear.
>>17755394
>you're not marginalized if you can do this
>marginalized people have a right to do this
Way to not even address the conversation, bucko.

[Anonymous No.17755437]

>>17755291
>marginalized people fighting against systems of oppression
Absolutely fucking delusional.

[Anonymous No.17755438]

>>17754410
Horrible logic. Everyone excludes groups with their dating preferences, that's how preferences function.

[Anonymous No.17755450]

>>17755380
I mean they want us broke dead our children raped and brainwashed and they think its pregty funny. The answer is not to capitulate to them but to counterattack in a radical and uncompromising fashiom, let them know they are not welcome and that they will face consecuences

[WOLFSHIEM !!tuOwy1ct2dy No.17755458]

>>17755430
The poster didn't say the way to communicate is only violence, just that the only way to communicate WITH THEM is violence. Hence the issue. If you can't have discussion then the recourse is violence and people supporting the trans cause have shown time and time again that they cannot seriously have the conversation.

[Anonymous No.17755466]

>>17754781
This. Doesn't matter if it's voluntary or not, it doesn't change their gender.

[Anonymous No.17755476]

>>17755291
Why is oppression bad though?

[Anonymous No.17755481]

>>17755437
why didn't chud just use his 2nd amendment gun?

[Anonymous No.17755486]

>>17754943
>https://archive.org/details/the-transgender-industrial-complex-scott-howard
Thanks anon
>>17755363
That's usually how it works

[Anonymous No.17755491]

>>17754410
>Recently, the term super straight started trending as a new sexual orientation. Identifying as super straight means that you are only attracted to the person that was born the opposite gender. This angered many in the LGBT+ community and numerous articles were made attacking those who started identifying as super straight. They are saying that engaging in sexual activity with a trans person does not make anyone less straight, and that the logic behind being super straight is stupid because they claim to like women, yet are excluding an entire group of women.
>overanalyzing a thing made to fuck with you

also
>trans women are anything other than pron-addled fetishists

If you want an actual answer op it's because I'm not gay and only want to have sex with female members of the species who can bear me children / are not trying to larp as men. >>17754800 >>17754854 >>17754926 as well; if I do not want to do something why should I do it?

>>17754495
Just looking at her face sets off my "that's a dude" alarm.
Also >>17754530 and >>17754551 are correct. If I was into a girl and learned she was a dude I would lose all interest immediately.

[Anonymous No.17755496]

>>17755437
Just because white supremacist capitalism has coopted these causes doesnt mean oppresion isnt real(the existence of transphobia and struvtural racism has been proved by science) as radical leftists and anticapitalists we should go further in denouncing white male privilege and demand more conccessions by the system as a means to dismantle it, we should never yield to reactionary sentiment

[Anonymous No.17755507]

>>17755476
This. Any interaction with these people will convinelce you that if anything they are not oppressed enough.

[WOLFSHIEM !!tuOwy1ct2dy No.17755508]

>>17755496
Please read more. You're coming off terribly simplistic on the topic.

[Anonymous No.17755509]

>>17755481
Same reason he didn't use it when statues were dropping like flies i guess.

[Anonymous No.17755519]

I'm not attracted to fat women.
I'm not attracted to old women.
I'm not attracted to women with tattoos.
I'm not attracted to bald women.
I'm not attracted to women with cocks or neo-vaginas.

[Anonymous No.17755530]

>>17754495
This doesn't look like a woman but a drag queen. Please stop telling people that not being attracted to crossdressers makes you transphobic and not straight cause that's a load of bullshit.

[Anonymous No.17755535]

>>17755508
You sound like you suffer from internalized oppression you should try reading queer indigenous authors in order to decolonize your mind

[WOLFSHIEM !!tuOwy1ct2dy No.17755544]

>>17755535
Welp, that outed things

[Anonymous No.17755553]

>>17754495
>sexual attraction isn't so simple
Yes it is. It's simple biological nature. Men want women to procreate. Women want men to bear children. Your cosplay fantasy shit ain't science bruh. Don't make excuses for your mental illnesses.

[Anonymous No.17755594]

>>17754410
I'm not super straight, I'm just straight. I'm not a cishet man, I'm just a man. There is no need to qualify these words when referring to the default. There needs to be a word for deviating from the norm (ie for being "straight" but also being attracted to trans "women"), but not necessarily a word for conforming to the norm, unless discussing the distinction becomes common enough to warrant it (it hasn't)

[Anonymous No.17755599]

>>17754456
that doesn't make this thread on topic. Philosophy is off topic too unless discussing specific works. Please, just fucking leave

[Anonymous No.17755633]

you dont need to justify anything you stupid fuck, if you dont like cock thats that
this whole superstraight thing is another manifestation of the rightoids eternal victim complex for some, and a joke that was funny for 3 hours for others. nobody cares. youre not having sex anyways, so why bring it up.

[Anonymous No.17755649]

>>17755633

[Anonymous No.17755653]

>>17755633
>rightoids eternal victim complex for some
fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.17755659]

>>17755653
t. supergay

[Anonymous No.17755663]

>>17755633
>youre not having sex anyways
you literally can't have sex

[Anonymous No.17755667]

>>17755633
By this point these people are going to call you a fascist for reading old books holding opinions unapproved by corporate media or not wanting your children to be molested. They are going to call you a white supremacist even if you are not white.You start wondering if 'fascism' cant possibly be all that bad

[WOLFSHIEM !!tuOwy1ct2dy No.17755672]

>>17755633
>why bring it up, you have a victim complex
>they bring it up
>get shamed and ostracized
Dont let resentment guide your thinking, Anon.

[Anonymous No.17755755]

>>17755667
you are making people up in your head only to hate them and let them live there rent free
you genuinely sound like someone is strawmanning rightoid fearmongering

[Anonymous No.17755783]

>>17755755
I mean any strawman the right can come up with will come short of reality. You are just afraid because you have been found out because people arent taking your shit anymore

[WOLFSHIEM !!tuOwy1ct2dy No.17755816]

>>17755755
After the last ten years "where will it lead" is a valid point of discussion. The social justice cause has expanded rapidly.

[Anonymous No.17755890]

>>17755816
it has grown rapidly among urbanite upper middle class twitter users, supported by big business, yes. you just see the wrong people as the cause and enemy.

[WOLFSHIEM !!tuOwy1ct2dy No.17755915]

>>17755890
I'm not talking about the growth of support but the growth of causes. 2010 to now are very different times in terms of social justice activism.
>wrong people
Currently the activists are the ones being condemned. Who are the correct actors to condemn then?

[Anonymous No.17755926]

>>17755519
based.

[Anonymous No.17756050]

>>17755458
Whatever wolfshit

[WOLFSHIEM !!tuOwy1ct2dy No.17756076]

>>17756050
>proving my point

[Anonymous No.17756088]

>>17754410
Nobody should ever have to justify who they are or aren't attracted to, it's outside of our control. The whole discussion is absurd.

[Anonymous No.17756096]

>>17755659

[Anonymous No.17756112]

>>17754410
>How should one respond to accusations that they are transphobic for wanting to pursue relationships exclusively with those of the opposite sex?
Just say okay and move on. Why waste time on mentally ill people?

[Anonymous No.17756113]

>>17756088
But who you are attracted to is not something that happens in isolation it is the product of unconscious biases and prejudices which are shaped by the society

[Anonymous No.17756136]

>you don't want to fuck a mentally ill freak? Quit being a fucking bigot, you nazi

Fuck this gay earth.

[Anonymous No.17756142]

>>17756113
Exactly. If only there were some sort of shock conversion therapy we could administer.

[Anonymous No.17756192]

>>17754605
t. faggot

[Anonymous No.17756199]

"Super-straights" are probably a real thing, but perhaps only as much a share of the population as gays/lesbians. Personally, I think the majority of people are some shade of bi, from "had the thought once" to "has sex with both sexes".

[Anonymous No.17756236]

>>17754410
trannies, fags, queers, superstraights, you're all worthless coomers and deserve to die.

[Anonymous No.17756246]

>>17754511
The absolute CHAD answer that angers all of the LGBT cucks.

[Anonymous No.17756247]

>>17756142
You cant compare conversion therapy which is an attack on the identity of a marginalised community to queer peoples efforts to dismantle heteronormativity that is like believing in reverse racism

[Anonymous No.17756313]

>>17756247
shit you're right. are there any good x-normativities out there?

[Anonymous No.17756328]

Is a gay man who isn't interested in FtM super gay?

[Anonymous No.17756333]

>>17756313
Foucault didnt have a perspective on racism and obviously suffered from deep seated internalized queerphobia

[Anonymous No.17756345]

>>17756328
There is a lesser known "supergay" hashtag going around, yeah

[Anonymous No.17756367]

>>17756328
>Is a gay man who isn't interested in FtM
More common of an issue than you might expect. Much like lesbians dealing with MtF people, gays have had issues with an influx of FtMs who think they ought to be welcomed

[Anonymous No.17756414]

>>17756113
>it is the product of unconscious biases and prejudices which are shaped by the society

The sheer arrogance of the people who make this claim as if it's an axiomatic truth and not pure ideologically-driven theory. Repulsive.

[Anonymous No.17756422]

>>17756367
>More common of an issue than you might expect
This is exactly how I would expect it, lol. A person's gay for the same reason a person's straight.

[Anonymous No.17756433]

>>17756345
Ha, awesome

[Anonymous No.17756498]

>>17756422
*hits nitrous* I'LL FUCK ANYTHING THAT MOVES

[Anonymous No.17756523]

Why the fuck does anyone care. I’m straight and can get a boner from a dude that is pretending to be a girl. Big fucking deal who gives a shit. Beta faggot pussies are too worried about these autistically categorizing everything.

[Anonymous No.17756531]

>>17756523
This guy gets it. But could you fuck a dude pretending to be a girl, or a girl pretending to be a dude?

[Anonymous No.17756653]

>>17756414
Its arrogant conservatives who are interested in denying science concerning unconscious bias out of contempt for the basic the humanity of marginalized folks

[Anonymous No.17756698]

>>17754615
For the same reason I would be turned out if I found out that an otherwise attractive person had, say, a STD. Knowledge about a person impacts the image of them I formed, and it is ultimately this image that determines attraction.

[Anonymous No.17756708]

HOW THE FUCK IS THIS THREAD STILL UP
THE MODS REALLY ARE TRANNIES HOLY SHIT
THERE IS NO OTHER EXPLANATION
FUCKING NONE
ZERO

[Anonymous No.17756713]

>>17754410
>How Do You Justify Not Wanting To Have Sex With A Trans Man or Woman?
Say "I'm straight"
I didn't read the rest btw

[Anonymous No.17756731]

>my philosophy thread gets taken down almsot immediately
>this garbage is still up after 4 hours
jannies get lick my shit encrusted asshole. fucking faggot retards kill yourselves all of you.

[Anonymous No.17756743]

>>17756731
Based jannies, philosophy threads are as much a problem for this board as this bait

[Anonymous No.17756750]

>>17756708
it's a joke. mods here have down syndrome i'm convinced

[Anonymous No.17756761]

>>17756531
>But could you fuck a dude pretending to be a girl, or a girl pretending to be a dude?
Sure, even hotter desu

[Anonymous No.17756897]

>>17756531
Depends what you mean. Morally there’s no way I could do it. But I mean realistically I’ve seen trannies that look like models with fake tits and asses etc. so I’m not really going to be surprised if given the state of modern plastic surgery that a tranny could slip by my usual sexual disgust when it comes to men. Once again I don’t see how everyone doesn’t realize this is not a big deal. Like oh no someone disfigured themselves into looking exactly like the sex I am attracted to and have been biologically be programmed to be attracted to how could I ever be attracted to that?!!!!! No shit you could be attracted to that. As if we don’t buy lies all the time. As if our sexual drive can’t be manipulated and deceived or even incongruent with literal fact (ie that thing has a peepee.) Our sexual urges are fallible.

[Anonymous No.17756905]

>>17756708
>>17756731
4channel (formerly 4chan) moderation has always been completely random.

[Anonymous No.17756911]

>>17754410
Isn't pressuring somebody to have sex with someone they don't want to considered sexual harassment?

[Anonymous No.17756965]

I don't have to justify it, my body my rules.

[Anonymous No.17757044]

How come it is "natural" to be born in the wrong body?

[Anonymous No.17757056]

>>17755291
>white supremacist heteronormative capitalist patriarchy
So this is the modern boogyeman?

[Anonymous No.17757071]

>>17756911
Yes. At what point is transgendered rape on others won't be justifiable?

[Anonymous No.17757107]

>>17757071
It already is, there are many cases of male sexpredators going trans in order to avoid getting metooe'd

[Anonymous No.17757242]

>>17754410
>>17754410
>first you get to the conclusion that woman is a performative act
>then you want everybody knows and understand you are a real woman

[Anonymous No.17757262]

>>17757242
Its the same process that lead from postmodern relativism to the obsession with fake news and reified scientific journalistic authority.

[Anonymous No.17757270]

>>17756113
>isolation it is the product of unconscious biases and prejudices which are shaped by the society
so we have to change one unconscious for another, one prejudice for another. what is the difference between this and a mad doctor wanting to make people genetically attracted to trans?.

[Anonymous No.17757271]

>>17756911
See>>17756247
>>17756113

Rape culture is a product of patriarchy and heteronormativity

[Anonymous No.17757289]

>>17757270
Its a continuum of oppression and dehumanization not being attracted to trans lays the basis for the violent transphobia that leads to the murder of trans people. Wonder why it is always religious conservatives who deny science regarding bias, gender identity and global warming.

[Anonymous No.17757312]

>>17757270
>>17757289
All conservatism is based on religious hateful anti science ideas while liberalism is based on evidence and concern for the suffering of the most marginalized.

[Anonymous No.17757332]

>>17754741
I mean I’m sorta all for trans rights and all but I rlly don’t see how wanting biological kids is bigoted. Unless you’re trolling...

[Anonymous No.17757334]

>>17756414
Funny how the same conservatives who deny scientific evidence appeal to tje autorithy of the bible and their sky daddy. Could it be they are really dishonest motivated by racism and white straight male entitlement?

[Anonymous No.17757343]

Lol who gives a fuck what kind of flavour of the month '-phobic' you are called. Stop being such faggots. Imagine spending more than 5 minutes contemplating such a thing, woowwww trannies; the most mentally fucked people alive today called me a perceived 'nono' word, gtfo
>>17755291
Jfc

[Anonymous No.17757344]

>>17757332
I mean i was for trans rights but these totalitarian lunatics are making me reconsider.

[Anonymous No.17757347]

>>17757343
Its not just trans people but their allies and all those who stand against oppression and for science

[Anonymous No.17757352]

>>17754410
No, sodomite.

[Anonymous No.17757360]

I just like femboys

[Anonymous No.17757362]

>>17754902
Based

[Anonymous No.17757373]

>>17757343
These lunatics are backed by the media and all major corporations

[Anonymous No.17757384]

>>17757373
>>17757347
Yes bit my point is it is better to focus your thoughts and energies.on those that are pushing/benefitting from it. The trannies are a mere symptom of an overarching problem

[Anonymous No.17757387]

>>17757347
You'll never be a woman

[Anonymous No.17757422]

>>17757360
post more or sauce NOW

[Anonymous No.17757465]

>>17757289
>>17757312
thats all nice and all. and you end invoking the suffering of victims, because that is your only argument really. people suffer and die for this prejudices blah blah blah.
my point was that, if you really know you can manipulate people unconscious, you dont doubt for a second to do it. you people are so obssesed with getting something you dont know what forces are you putting into play. anyway, nobody can change the unconscious at will, so this kind of sociological attempts will fail sooner or later. i appeal to a mad sociologists trying to change the world for the better. that is the charachter i see. like they really think they know how to do it with propaganda and more propaganda. and here we are now. people have faith in sociology as a sacred truth and the use it.

[Anonymous No.17757480]

>>17757465
Its not propaganda but combatting hate and anti science misinformation.

[Anonymous No.17757512]

>>17754410
I would almost certainly never have sex with a non biological female. I fell no need to identify myself as "super straight" though and I don't know why anyone would ever need to except to piss off LGBTQ types which is extremely pathetic. I've also never been attracted to a girl who was more than 1/8ths black in my entire life. I don't go broadcasting that information though: I just don't fuck trans girls or black girls. My justification (the only justification you ever need) is that I don't want to. No need to hurt anyone's feelings or invite accusations of racism or transphobia though

[Anonymous No.17757528]

>>17754410
>be attracted to who you are attracted to
>fuck what you find attractive
>probably will never be in a situation in which you will have to fuck a tranny
>don't let articles scare you into thinking any of this matters

in summary? care less and get pussy

[Anonymous No.17757535]

>>17757480
>hate and antiscience
but how are you combatting it?. in case you dont know: propaganda, obviously. its basically the only way sociologists see the world. can summed up in that. make propaganda so society can accept one thing or the other.

[Anonymous No.17757550]

>>17757535
Society needs to reject hate if you ate not against haye tjen you are for hate. If you are not for science them you are against science if you are not an anti racist then you are a racist.

[Anonymous No.17757552]

why do you have to talk about this in a literature board? why are mods such retards that they don't delete these threads?

[Anonymous No.17757568]

>>17757535
We are just countering right wing propaganda

[Anonymous No.17757794]

>>17754410
Why do I need justify anything in this bizarre deconstructional nihilistic worldview these autistic faggots have? I do what the fuck I want and I want to believe in God so I stick with his set of rules. Also I want to have children and most trans people don't even pass, especially in real-life. Fuck these insecure control freaks, there are no genders, there is just physical attractiveness

[Anonymous No.17757801]

>>17757550
>>17757568
look, you are only useful idiots. cannon fodder. you will start every war and be part of every war of story with a smile in your face and anger in your heart.
>if you are not against for hate you are for hate.
remind me to a "while others say don't hate nothing at all, except hatred"
just two more fanatics on the road.

[Anonymous No.17757810]

I’d fuck the brains out of Bailey Jay. I wouldn’t fuck a post op trans. The idea gives me creeps. I love dick, why do you have to chop it off?

[Anonymous No.17757812]

>>17754702
that is literally pedophilia

[Anonymous No.17757828]

>>17757550
i'm pro-hate, and also very racist, just thought you should know

[Anonymous No.17757829]

>>17757794
All the trans propaganda just makes me hate them neurotically, whereas previously i might have seen them as just being harmless perverts probably mentally troubled but otherwise sympathetic

[Anonymous No.17757837]

>>17754456
>How would famous philosophers respond to accusations that they are transphobic for preferring to have relationships with members of the opposite sex
you have never been accused of this and you never will

stop wasting your life and energy on political strawmans and theoretical situations

instead of trying to philosophically defend your sexual orientation (really gay btw, to make yourself marginalized for being straight) how about your turn that effort to trying to actually get pussy?

[Anonymous No.17757843]

>>17757812
Fact rightoids dont want to hear: All Children are born queer it is society that forcs them to be straight.

[Anonymous No.17757870]

>>17757843
And they steal, lie and shit their pants, checkmate society

[Anonymous No.17757889]

>>17757843
>rightoids

You mean basically everyone

[Anonymous No.17757921]

I don't care if they're man, woman, or dog. If they have a butthole I will be DTF

[Anonymous No.17757990]

>>17757794
God is fake. Science is real. White supremacist capitalist cisheteropatriarchy is real.

[Anonymous No.17758015]

>>17755291
Pretty gay and retarded victimspeak there, faggot

[Anonymous No.17758032]

>>17758015
They are objectively getting victimized and you are the victimizer who benefits from their oppression this is why struggle is neccesary

[Anonymous No.17758147]

>>17754410
>How Do You Justify Not Wanting To Have Sex With A Trans Man or Woman
As far as anyone can tell gender identity is not a thing that people actually subjectively experience.
Even if it was, it wouldn't affect sexuality. Sexuality is the attraction to a certain sex. Not a certain gender. Identify as what you want, people will be attracted to whatever sex they are attracted to.

So far the main victims of troons have been LGB people, but now they're starting to try to use their long practiced tactics of gaslighting, harassment, and threats on straight people, even men. I'm glad they do, because this will peak trans more and more people and they will start to realize that trans right activists are narcissistic monsters who must be removed from all positions of power.
Rape, abuse and conversion therapy aren't suddenly considered acceptable because trans people are the ones doing it, only the sex pest infested trans lobby thinks this. Normal people only don't abhor their movement because they are ignorant about its nature. S+ has shown tens of thousands of regular people that trans ideology is intellectually bankrupt, authoritarian and hateful.

[Anonymous No.17758168]

>>17758147
https://www.google.com/amp/s/transanityca.wordpress.com/2017/08/13/synanon-the-brainwashing-game-and-modern-transgender-activism-the-orwellian-implications-of-transgender-politics-by-jenn-smith/amp/

[Anonymous No.17758194]

>>17754615
>All other things being equal
they cant have children, they have cocks. If they cut them off, they have balls. If they cut those off, they have constant open wounds

[Anonymous No.17758212]

>>17755291
>white supremacist heteronormative capitalist patriarchy
Critical theory on steroids and possibly acid.

[Anonymous No.17758232]

>>17758147
I hope this provokes a backlash so strong so as to justify the wholesale lynching and open persecution of the alphabet crowd could never stand them

[Anonymous No.17758383]

>>17756498
Based Frank.

[Anonymous No.17758407]

>>17757990
According to this perspective nothing matters. Without God nothing matters. Even with science or future inventions nothing matters. There is no objective judgement, you can do whatever you want. Let's say we should act as a team for some possible distant future invention that could even revive all the dead people guess what it doesn't matter because you don't know that you are dead and don't know that you're missing out.

[Anonymous No.17758443]

>>17755408
Lgbt is the real psyop

[Anonymous No.17758447]

>>17754710
women's bathrooms be like: amogus

[Anonymous No.17758465]

>>17758447
I love how easy it is to spot zoomer posters

[Anonymous No.17758504]

>>17758407
It is conservatives who believe in hatred and fake news we believe in truth and justice

[Anonymous No.17758583]

>>17758168
Nice link, cheers
>>17758443
Indeed

[Anonymous No.17758674]

>>17754943
this doesn't seem very well written to be honest. I could do better, maybe should

[Anonymous No.17758815]

I'm loving using this super straight thing to virtue signal
Not that I wouldn't say women should be raped anyway, but now I can claim moral superiority by suggesting its cause of awful hateful memes like this designed by terfs. Women should be forced to be wed by whom men say they should. All women.

I unironically like how trans are just charactues of women too. They're feminine enough to get my dick hard, but still biologically enough of a male where I know their one weakness: the need for vindication

Men are STARVED for positive attention of any kind. That's why they become trans, that's why they retaliate as shooters, frankly I'm upset more don't retaliate. But to the docile ones that don't and just take HRT this makes fulfilling my desires easier because I know you give them words of encouragement and tell them they're sexy and look better than most any cis woman and you're balls will be so empty you'll think you were the one transitioning lol

And you can call that sociopath or schizo but I never wanted this for me or even you. If I had my way everyone would have someone. Lifelong enforced monogamous relationships through the barrel of a gun. Because I don't see a point to life without someone else. Its not my fault women don't care about anyone's well being not even their own. Than again its the same gender that drowns their kids in the tub.

[Anonymous No.17758876]

i'll come to that determination if i ever get the offer. odds seem to indicate i won't ever have to think about it.

[Anonymous No.17758889]

>>17758815
gb2retardroad

[Anonymous No.17758895]

>>17758888

[Anonymous No.17760308]

>>17757990
Some guy said the same thing in a thread on /his/ a while ago, so I’ll just copy and paste the response I made to him since your outlook is basically the same.

Basing your entire worldview off of descriptive claims is the most midwit shit ever.

Take a claim like ripe strawberries being red, are they really red? To most people they are red, but not to people who are color blind. Some people can even see colors that most people are incapable of seeing due to evolution. There are also animals that can see a wider array of colors than humans. Does this mean that animals have superior color vision? Or do humans not have as detailed color vision because it’s pointless or detrimental to our own survival? We experience the world in a way that helps us survive and reproduce. That’s how evolution works. Things that are true about the world are likely hidden from us by evolution. That’s because if we knew about them then it would interfere with our survival or reproduction. That’s why some forms of science are more useful than other forms of science. Physics and chemistry can produce reliable results, but when it comes to biology we don’t even know why people need to sleep. Social science as a field doesn’t even need to be addressed. In fact, the entire world may just be entirely fake. Our entire life experience can be that of an operating system where we gradually evolve. Imagine that you lived on a Windows desktop, you could perhaps discover how to perform certain actions like opening certain files or navigate through the data on the computer, but you could never figure that you are just a program running on a hard drive.

But atheists are so smart and enlightened because they blindly believe in...science.

TL;DR
We can’t experience any truths about the world because we don’t experience the world as it actually is.

[Anonymous No.17760322]

>>17760308
>We can’t experience any truths about the world because we don’t experience the world as it actually is.
actually, i happen to personally experience objective reality, so if you have any questions about it you can just ask me

[Anonymous No.17760452]

>>17754410
>>17754416
Indeed. Fuck off OP.

Btw attraction to transgender peopels is closer to beastiality that anything.

Sex is for reproduction you utter slime.

[Anonymous No.17760479]

>>17760452
>attraction to transgender peopels is closer to beastiality that anything.
Are you retarded? Why don't you just say homosexuality? They're still humans.

[Anonymous No.17760488]

The right invents more straw-men to attack than actually SJW's to begin with. Just got our of Uni. Met two trans people. Both nice and reserved and nowhere near the cartoon characters this hellsite wishes they were.

[Anonymous No.17760489]

>>17760479
>They're still humans.
anon... i...

[Anonymous No.17760492]

>>17760452
Would you call fucking this an animal?
My GF
Like I know you're gonna pretend to be disgusted but we both know she's hot lol

[Anonymous No.17760497]

>>17760489
Okay, maybe not in a moral sense, but they are indeed humans scientifically.

[Anonymous No.17760501]

>>17760479
They are definetely subhuman, i would put them somewhere between dogs and cattle

[Anonymous No.17760505]

>>17760492
wow, so uh, you really like eyebrows, huh?

[Anonymous No.17760506]

>>17760492

[Anonymous No.17760529]

the implication is that a trans woman would even want to have sex with you. i mean, even trans women have standards.

[Anonymous No.17760538]

>>17760479
>still human
Doubt.
>>17760492
I dont intend to have sex with anyone who I cant reproduce with. I dont even consider it sex if its without the purpose of procreation, its just mutual masturbation. And thats all transthings are, wankers.

[Anonymous No.17760546]

>>17760488
I thought like that until I learned about the leaders of the trans movement and the many, many shit trans people. The tervens collected thousands (literally) messages by trans people threatening them with rape and murder for the crime of not buying into trans ideology (and it is an ideology, there is no scientific basis for anything they claim). Transwomen are vastly over-represented when it comes to sex crimes. There are a number of cases of them violently attacking women too. So both their threats of rape and murder are not far fetched.
Many of their leaders are criminals who engage in sexual abuse and harassment campaigns. They actively work to erase women and infiltrate their spaces, shutting them down if they can't make them about transwomen.

The violent insane people are not just marginal exceptions, they are the leaders of the movement, and they are protected by all members. Their actions are consistently downplayed, denied and ignored by all members of the cult. They are not called to answer for their actions.
These people will shut down shelters for raped women because they do not allow men to enter them. they sue to deny raped women the right to choose whether they want to be counseled by a man or a woman.
These are only a small selection of the evil they create, and not even the worst things.

People who despise troons have many very good reasons for doing so and it takes great bravery to speak up, because the trans lobby wields enormous power.

[Anonymous No.17760565]

how long until they start attacking people only attracted to women of a certain height weight or skin/hair colour?

[Anonymous No.17760571]

Transgender?

[Anonymous No.17760582]

>>17760565
btw I'm only attracted to skinny black women who are 6ft or taller

[Anonymous No.17760593]

>>17760488
At my job there was this 'girl' you could tell there was something ' off' about her something not quite right it was the voice ticked me off, then i learned from a third party 'she' was in fact a transgender! Now i make an effort to leave as early as possible so as to avoid any chance of atack by the monster.

[Anonymous No.17760636]

Can we all take a moment to stop and humbly pray to the Lord for the swift passing of this disquieting season of madness from the western lands?

[Anonymous No.17760645]

>>17760593
Most people react to transgenders like this. they get asspats and validation from their cult, but IRL friends and coworkers distance themselves because they know it's wrong and don't want to walk on egg shells all the time. they will minimize interactions and keep it formal. Transpeople end up very isolated after a while.

[Anonymous No.17760657]

>>17760636
God doesn't care. The west abandoned God centuries ago. Civilizations are cyclical anyway, it could almost be considered a sin to think the western world s worth saving.

[Anonymous No.17760679]

>>17760657
God cares about souls not civilizations. This era is certainly benighted by gross apostasy but remember Lot begged the Lord to pass over even Sodom for the sake of a single righteous man, though God's wrath could not be swayed indefinitely. I have fled the west and I advise others to as well, but we should pray for mercy, as there still persists a remnant.

[Anonymous No.17760702]

>>17754410
Rightoids completely fucking ruined this website. 4chan was always somewhat shit, but there's no escaping these awful /pol/ bait threads anymore. I remember a time when even if there were political threads on non-/pol/ boards there was at least a decent mix of opinions. Everything is "le epic tranny owned!" with 2 people replying "based". Every time someone says something along the lines of conservatives being idiots there's a million fucking "you're a retard" responses. No wonder this website doesn't have any more cultural influence or push out any more memorable memes; it's now edgy in a way that isn't funny or endearing.

[Anonymous No.17760726]

>>17760636
we're going to find the bottom of this well of madness, we're not going to stop until we hit the ground at terminal velocity and split the whole earth open. i pray to god every day for a nuclear holocaust

[Anonymous No.17760731]

>>17760679
Bruh at best we can hope for a storm of fire and brimstone.

[Anonymous No.17760764]

>>17760702
I fully agree. It's overrun by idiots and children who think they're smart when they're trite.

[Anonymous No.17760770]

>>17760731
>>17760726
If God sees fit to close this chapter of history in such a manner, I would be saddened, but relieved. Hope can sometimes be a heavy burden.

[Anonymous No.17760854]

>>17755291
daily reminder that this trash actually passes for decent thinking in current year academia

[Anonymous No.17760867]

>>17754410
same way I justify having sex with one

[Anonymous No.17760883]

lgbt fags should be grateful for this shit anyways I mean obviously some people are all smug about this thinking they just owned the trannies epic style once again but the truth is that super straightness is just a form of acceptance of queernes as the new normal

[hungryman !!5BI0oSV9uvS No.17760888]

>>17754495
You’re saying that being a woman is sufficient for sexual attraction in straights? You know that not all women are attracted to all men, and all men are not attracted to all women? How is this confusing?

[Anonymous No.17760900]

>>17758504
lib

[Anonymous No.17760910]

>>17760308
>implying truth is an experience

[Anonymous No.17760914]

>>17754530
Correct

[Anonymous No.17760917]

>>17755496
You will never be a real pasta.

>>17755667
They already do that, eg. The leader of the proud boys.

[Anonymous No.17760940]

You look down and don't see a boner.

[Anonymous No.17760969]

>>17754410
I believe in science. Those aren't women.

[Anonymous No.17760983]

>>17754410
Why is this tread still up?
Fuck you all and fuck you creeps with your weird obsession with trans especially

[Anonymous No.17761544]

>>17754410

I hate you and I hate you and I hate you and I hate you and I hate you and I hate you and I hate you and I hate you and I hate you and I hate you and I hate you and I hate you and I hate you and I hate you and I hate you

>t. This Thread

[Anonymous No.17761553]

>>17754410
I don't Justify it because it isn't up for debate. end of

[Anonymous No.17761561]

>>17754410
based mods

[Anonymous No.17761755]

>>17754952
The difference between good and bad mastery is justification.

[Anonymous No.17761825]

>>17754615
It's like when you find a very attractive young girl but lose all attraction to her when you find out she's not a virgin

[Anonymous No.17761834]

>>17754410
the fact that they're men/used to be men shines through broad as daylight regardless of how much slap they put on, I'm not attracted to men

[Anonymous No.17761852]

>>17754410
> Having to justify not wanting to have sex
Isn't that, like, literally rape according to the modern legal definition?

[Anonymous No.17761868]

>>17754410
the entire sexual spectrum is a fucking meme and psyop to get people into groupthink, you the same as everyone else fuck whomever you want to/can in that moment that's it the rest is just craving identity, since the dawn of man people have just fucked whatever they want to why the fuck do people craving identity complicate things for now fucking reason, unless you're going to fuck someone there's no reason to care about their "sexuality" and unless you're desperate for identity there's no reason to publicize yours, if you want to fuck someone try to if you don't dont jesus fuck I'm losing my mind at how many people need 50 different fucking labels just to feel like they exist in ten years time every single fucker will introduces themselves with a bunch of dumb irrelevant labels and I'm going to kill myself do the stupid pricks behind this super straight movement not realize they're just as bad as gays using sexual preference as who they are instead of what they do I'm losing my fucking mind I hope everyone identifying as straight, gay, bi is executed what a fucking tragedy a group of people need to create a label just to exist

[Anonymous No.17761883]

>>17761868
Punctuation, nigger, get some.

[Anonymous No.17761888]

>>17761883
why would I if youre so lazy you cant read without punctuation I dont want you reading my posts

[Anonymous No.17761898]

>uhm, guys below 190 cm, I call those friends so like dont even try sweaty??? :)))
this is okay
>I refuse to fuck someone with penis or necrovagina
LITERALLY HITLER

[Anonymous No.17762111]

>>17761898
you know the reason trans people are against super straight is because it claims that straight and not wanting to fuck trannies are separate - the reason trannies are against it is because they view not fucking trannies as a sexual/personal preference instead of a sexuality

[Anonymous No.17762163]

>>17754410
Ofc this has nearly 300 replies
Jesus fucking christ /lit/ you fucking disapoint me

[Anonymous No.17762310]

>>17761755
>The difference between good and bad mastery is justification.
No, the difference is whether or not it is you in control. Universal morality is bullshit. Me and my tribe, everyone else can die in a fire as far as I care.

[Anonymous No.17762340]

>>17754410
Dont like dicks
Simple as

[Anonymous No.17762465]

>>17762310
You looking forward to highschools reopening so you can see all your friends?

[Anonymous No.17762475]

>>17754410
I'm gay

[Anonymous No.17762694]

>>17755633
This is fucking retarded. Do lesbians like cock?

[Anonymous No.17762708]

>>17754410
Hey chuds, if liking trans women is gay, then why are they so hecking cute and valid?

[Anonymous No.17762713]

>>17762340
What about axe wounds?

[Anonymous No.17762717]

>>17762708
Because they're men

[Anonymous No.17762720]

>>17762708
>effeminate boy face and not-tapering shoulders

[Anonymous No.17762740]

>>17762111
Straight men don't fuck men that pretend to be women. Simple as

[SAGE No.17762772]

/lit/ is no more

[Anonymous No.17762789]

>>17762740
So if all women die out and every man is granted immortality you'll spend eternity fucking your hand

[Anonymous No.17762828]

>>17762789
Guess so lol. However I don't think you should rely on silly hypotheses that'll never happen

[Anonymous No.17762841]

>>17762828
the hypothetical is good for showing how arbitrary sexual distinctions are the only way you can consistently distinguish between male and female is with a list of nearly a dozen criteria most of which would require medical tests to determine

[Anonymous No.17762866]

>>17754410
I would tell them that my sexuality and my sexual preferences are none of their business and then to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.17762919]

>>17762841
It's hard to read your post without punctiation
>the hypothetical is good for showing how arbitrary sexual distinctions are
No, it doesn't show anything and my answer clearly wasn't the answer you wanted.
>the only way you can consistently distinguish between male and female is with a list of nearly a dozen criteria most of which would require medical tests to determine
I'd say that we already do that but honestly you don't need professional medical examinations to do that. I can just as easily look at a woman and see that she's a woman. And if it's a well disguised tranny, which is rare, I'd realize it the moment it's clothes are gone.

[Anonymous No.17763270]

>>17762919
>which is rare
look up the percentage of people in your country that're trans, then ask yourself if you've ever noticed a trans"person" IRL and then see if it's even close to an accurate representation it's a simple way you can test yourself on how many trannies pass
>I'd realize it the moment it's clothes are gone.
Have you ever seen vaginoplasty post op photos (1yr after surgery) it's very difficult to tell unless they went ot some third world clinic

[Anonymous No.17763311]

>>17754615
Either they still have a dick or they have a gaping wound. I wouldn’t want to hit it either way

[Anonymous No.17763368]

>>17762789
jacking off is not the same thing as fucking something and you're an idiot for drawing an equivalency between the two you fag in denial.

[Anonymous No.17763489]

>>17763368
that's my entire fucking point you mong

[Anonymous No.17763856]

>>17762310
>No, the difference is whether or not it is you in control.
That's just, like, your take on universal morality.

[Anonymous No.17763889]

>>17763270
Yeah, I've also seen real vaginas. Besides such surgeries are harmful and should be illegal, no man should be tricked into having sex with a tranny. You were born, it doesn't matter whether someone witnessed you being born you were still born the way you are, that is an undeniable truth and hiding it makes you a disgusting person who propably hates themselves. Do you think f.e. the essence of lesbianism is simply not liking dick? Well, a lot of lesbians use plenty of phallics objects during sex. The issue isn't simply the fact that you have a hole inbetween your legs but the fact that you simply are not a woman. And however much you come to decry the distinction as being 'arbitrary' for arbitrary reasons, ultimately you will never be a real woman

[Anonymous No.17763898]

H

[Anonymous No.17763937]

Are there any studies on mtf trannies and prostate cancer? Would mutilating the penis increase risk over time?

[Anonymous No.17764229]

>>17754593
>Im not transphobic
>Proceeds to immediately be transphobic

[Anonymous No.17764284]

The thought experiment goes like this. Suppose you've been dating and fucking a woman for several months. You're in love with her and her body. She comes out to you that she is a post-op trans woman. Do you dump her? Should you feel ashamed or disgusted? Why? If she passed and you were content then your disgust is rooted in ideology and not rational.

[Anonymous No.17764296]

>>17764284
hard mode, counter without using 'oh, I wanted kids though' or 'that's is rape by deception/omission'

[Anonymous No.17764381]

didn't read the thread so this might have been said already but i agree that as a straight guy, what I'm attracted to is femininity. that's why I don't shy away from jerking off to good looking trannies. I'd even fuck trannies. Whst I wouldn't fuck is a post op tranny because I'm generally not into the idea of fucking open wounds, apart from my torture fantasies, which don't involve trannies. about femininity though, if we're talking only about trannies that truly pass, making the case tgat refusing to fuck them isn't transphobic is much harder. the thing is, truly passing trannies are rare as hens teeth to the point that basically none of them pass and it's not transphobic to refuse to fuck them.

let's take a moderately attractive tranny like contrapoints. not my type but sure, she basically passes, calling her a he would just be going out of your way to bypass intuition. (as opposed to olly thorn who is just wearing drag) but there's still masculine elements to her physique. hands are a big one.

trannies and their supporters often claim that one is attracted to femininity when the topic of pussy is brought up. again i will grant them that pussies are secondary characteristics, but that's the end of it. they're secondary, not irrelevant. Instant turn offs and total deal breakers.

so having said all that, if trannies were pragmatic, they'd recognize that a man that doesn't wanna fuck them isn't transphobic, because the overwhelming majority of them aren't feminine. Refusing post ops is a preference like hair color and not transphobic. I will concede that not wanting to fuck, say, blaire white, is somewhat transphobic. But then again i could not care less if I'm a transphobe.

Furthermore, gender is a social construct, yes. but using total outliers like intersex people to support that argument is as idiotic as claiming that humans don't really have 10 fingers because there's some people that were born fucked up.

And finally, LGB and A are a fundamentally different thing from T and I. Q is sort of its own thing. as is the +. I'm sort of with zizek when he says just use the +. If you have the+ anyway, adding more letters is just useless and ridiculous

[Anonymous No.17764398]

>>17764284

that supposes that post op pussies pass for the real thing. If that were the case, yes, then being disgusted would be transphobic. however you have to recognize that this is basically fantasy and nothing more than, as you say, a thought experiment. see >>17764296
for my thoughts on the actual reality of tranny femininity

[Anonymous No.17764442]

>>17764398
I wouldn't be so sure, those starting young can pass easily and the genital surgeries can be convincing especially to the untrained virgin eyes. Unlikely perhaps but most likely a certainty in the near future.
I figured there's some kind of precedent analogy for this postulate like discourse around cyborgs and humanity somebody would reply with - or even Shakespeare seemed to be on a similar tack, but idk.

[Anonymous No.17764500]

>>17764442

i agree that early transitioning will make them much more passable and I'm also optimistic about post op pussies becoming more appealing. I should have said from the beginning that these things are constantly changing. with better plastic surgery and technology in general, instances of people not wanting to get with trans people will be more motivated by transphobia as time moves on.

I'm also not at all opposed to kids receiving HRT but that opens up the issue of consent. I think it's ideologically inconsistent to say kids can't consent at 17 because they can't grasp the entirety of the situation but they can consent to alter their bodies in major ways when they're 10. If you want to give kids the ability to transition at any point they want, age of consent would have to go too. Otherwise you're putting feels over reals.

[Anonymous No.17764581]

>>17764284
Why do you assume human beings are inherently rational? Do you think it's even rational to mutilate your dick to begin with?

[Anonymous No.17764598]

>>17764442
>the genital surgeries can be convincing
it is a literal wound, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.17764608]

>>17764442
>the genital surgeries can be convincing
No.

[Anonymous No.17764629]

>>17764500
well regards to HRT and age of consent it comes down to the responsibility of parental guardians to mitigate potential power dynamics however the science seems far from settled as to whether our diagnostic and therapeutic models are appropriate schemas for dysphoric presenting kids. Data outcomes in recent years is quite alarming actually as we see more desist/detransitioners and more kids that have natural dysphoria that everyone experiences presenting as trans to fit in with new cultural narratives or to escape their anxieties about 'becoming' an adult self but clinicians are not able to meaningfully interrogate these feelings without risk of being smeared as transphobic for even probing and even if they could kids know to just go online and search 'how to convince my doctor to give me HRT' to say the right things and answer the right questions. It's quite the pickle. More work and healthier honest discourse is required

>>17764598
you'd be surprised. they're not all /b/ tier monstrosities

[Anonymous No.17764668]

>>17764500
>>17764442
Even if there was a magic pill that instantly turned you and all your chromosomes into a female, you still wouldn't be a woman. Because womanhood is not just chromosomes but the lifetime experience of living, and importantly growing up, as a woman.

[Anonymous No.17764708]

>>17764629
This can literally all be fixed by banning internet access to children. Honestly why do you think mental illnesses are so rampant among the youth as they are now if not due to them being effectively raised by the internet?

[Anonymous No.17764719]

>>17764668
aren't you suggesting a performative accumulation of experiences equates to being of 'woman'. wouldn't that mean as a female ages she becomes more and more 'of woman'. so once a trans is passing and accumulating their own experiences under the performance of femininity that they too are 'becoming' woman?

[Anonymous No.17764730]

not even a "books about this feel"

[Anonymous No.17764734]

Honestly legalizing and removing the stigma of suicide might end a lot of problems, including the transexuals

[Anonymous No.17764735]

>>17754896
If the tranny is in the center, he's kind of attractive, but it's essentially true that any attractive tranny would have looked better as a guy. You can't really hide jaws and hands and things.

[Anonymous No.17764743]

>>17754896
Only because people are desperately trying to turn them into nobles for percieved hardship.

[Anonymous No.17764755]

>>17764719
Menses in middle school makes a right of passage. Suddenly getting attention from adult men isn't the same when you're still a child. Schooling that shunted you into home ec, or nowadays insists you'll be great in STEM, is easily avoided as an adult. But yes, an 80 year-old woman knows a lot more about being a woman than a 20 year-old.

[Anonymous No.17764769]

>>17764581

where did i assume any of that. i just said it's ideologically inconsistent

>>17764629

completely agree about the parents. this isn't the topic of the conversation but i think it's analogous to the birth control thing. leftists like to push for schools to teach more than abstinence, and i agree they should, however even if schools only teach abstinence, if you're a responsible parent, you teach your kids about safe sex and contraception regardless. i hate the attitude of wanting the fucking state of all things to be responsible for raising your own children.

>>17764668

I'm >17764500 i don't really agree or disagree with that assessment. I think there's truth to it definitely but early transition will make trans kids experience growing up as a woman so that, again, is a thing that will change the further time moves along. However, the question of attraction, which this thread is dealing with, really has nothing at all to di with the lived experience of womanhood, no man thinks of things like that when he's thinking about starting a relationship with someone. maybe I'm also just completely misunderstanding your point

[Anonymous No.17764792]

>>17764708

first, that's pretty totalitarian. even if you're against the ideology, don't be such a dictator and advocate for things other people might like to be banned. second, the internet is not the only place where ideology is disseminated. why don't you have kids and forbid them from using the internet and also tv while you're at it. I guarantee that they'll still come into contact with trans ideology. unless you keep them in your basement

[Anonymous No.17764867]

>>17764769
Early transitioning seems very morally dubious, and medical questionable. The solution to gender dysphoria probably lays elsewhere.

Do those rites of passage affect the character of a person in adulthood that cannot really be replicated? Will this effect create a noticeably difference in the woman's personality? Maybe not If the transwoman is a good actor, but will they ever not be acting? That would be unfortunate, especially for someone I intend to form a bond with. A collection of barriers on top of an already challenging task. It might not be a hard no, but it would go in the negative column.

[Anonymous No.17764901]

>>17764867
A hard no would be because they can't have kids. I'm not interested in sterile ciswomen either.

[Anonymous No.17764964]

>>17764901

i get that but do you really think you'd dump a partner you love if you find out they're sterile or if they get sick and need surgery that will make them sterile? genuinely asking btw. not rhetorical.

>>17764867

i agree it's normally dubious, however I'm pretty amoral, that's why i think age if consent should be abolished too if we're already going down the road of letting kids transition. as far as a solution to gender dysphoria, are talking about helping kids with dysphoria or do you mean something else?

and the whole rite of passage/womanhood experience is, again, something that will change drastically the further we move along the postmodern trajectory. these issues will no longer be as pressing in the future

[Anonymous No.17764971]

>>17764867
this business of acting has never set right with me. If they feel that the male character is a definable countour of parameters that can be worn and performed and that they do not identify with and can be discarded then what are these essential traits of femininity that they can so resolutely know is the firmament of their being. That is to say, if the identity is mutable doesn't that axiomatically destroy all distinction of oppositional dichotomy? If I were to say I have white skin but 'feel' black, does this feeling have any inherent qualities that are not acquired? I'm not sure that's a perfect analogy but this is why I've always had more empathy with the non-binarys. In rejecting the schema entirely they form a new being of pure self independent of cultural mores

[Anonymous No.17764977]

>>17764964

morally* not normally

[Anonymous No.17765080]

>>17764971
what I mean is, is a transwoman that feels like a woman so because they enjoy crossdressing in women's clothes and makeup? Is it because they exhibit some certain specific personality traits? There may be commonly associated traits with each gender but can we truly say they are essentially divisible in binary? I suppose this gets back to the idea of dysphoria, that expression is not a matter of reducible fact but of comfort.

[Anonymous No.17765113]

>>17765080
can we make a meaningful difference then between 'I am a woman' and 'I am most comfortable expressing as a woman' ignoring genitalia

[Anonymous No.17765420]

>>17764964
If they knew ahead of time, yes. I hope I would be civil about it, but I'm not 100% certain that'd be the case. If they didn't know and we were married, I would stand by them but probably be depressed for well, hopefully not forever.

Yes helping kids, and adults, a different way. Major surgery with life long complications is not a little thing. It seems to help with the suicide rate, but more study is needed. It isn't a great solution even so.

There will be different rites of passage, but women and men aren't going away, nor are their differences. That's like a singularity pipe dream.

>>17764971
I'm not sure, such an act is possible. I was just assuming it for the argument. I'm not sure I follow the rest of that, but people won't ever have such an independent self, Neetzsche.

[Anonymous No.17765448]

>>17763489
Well make it more obvious next time you fag

[Anonymous No.17765553]

>>17764792
>I guarantee that they'll still come into contact with trans ideology
Only because it is actively forced down their throats. I can't really tell the teacher not to be progressive and if I reveal my thoughts to my kids they'll antagonize me like pioneers. Don't talk to me about totalitarianism, it can only happen in democracies.

[Anonymous No.17765558]

>>17755408
>it originated on /pol/
It started on tiktok by some guy who was getting hate for turning down a tranny, trannies started seething about it on twitter so some zoomers made accounts to fuck with them. No /pol/ involvement until it took off.

[Anonymous No.17765616]

>>17765420
>There will be different rites of passage, but women and men aren't going away, nor are their differences. That's like a singularity pipe dream.

o guess there we'll just agree to disagree. i think not just men and women, but man as a whole is in the process of disappearing. the differences aren't necessarily just disappearing, they're actually becoming more numerous to the point where things become so vast that concepts cease to be useful, thus difference in some sense ultimately does disappear.

i do think capitalism is responsible for that and will inevitably result in a singularity which will ultimately make humans disappear entirely. again, agree to disagree.


about having kids, in the scenario where your wife was sterile and you stand by them, why is adoption off the table, specifically with a cis woman and if adoption is acceptable with a cis woman, why not with a trans woman?

[Anonymous No.17765635]

>>17764769
>where did i assume any of that. i just said it's ideologically inconsistent
I guess your mind is just compromised. Transwomen are men and if I realize I was tricked then I stop loving him. However, it is always possible to realize when someone is a tranny eventually.

[Anonymous No.17765636]

>>17765553

I'm not even a big fan of democracy lol. and as far as forcing it down their throat, in school maybe (debatable, as of yet) but you can't say cultural shift, which automatically get internalized by kids from the moment they're born (earlier too desu), is the same as forcing someone to adopt an ideology. by that logic your base assumptions about culture were forced down your throat as well but you don't seem to mind the views you hold now

[Anonymous No.17765649]

>>17765558
Trannies are privileged brats. What else is new :P

[Anonymous No.17765662]

>>17765635

i just realized i thought you were quoting me when you actually were quoting someone else. i didn't make that thought experiment post. apologies

[Anonymous No.17765665]

>>17765636
Sure. However culture is downstream from politics so cultural shift is always to some degree orchastrated but some cultures are just better than others. And progressivism creates weak societies.

[Anonymous No.17765715]

>>17765665
>cultural shift is always to some degree orchastrated

exactly. that's just how it is. whether we like the change or not. but resisting it is also regressive as far as evolution itself is concerned.

i agree progressivism as it is today with all its goals, creates weak societies, but it's not progressive in the way i view progress, which is progressing toward posthumanism. they're ultimately resisting that too even though they're actuallyacting in harnony with that progression toward our disappearance.

don't know if I'm coherent anymore btw I'm high as fuck

[Anonymous No.17765811]

>>17765715
>it's not progressive in the way i view progress, which is progressing toward posthumanism
I believe that is exactly where we're going and you admit that in the same paragraph. But it also makes everything ugly and deceptive. And if that truly is the case then I'm a full-on human supremacist. Machines will never amount to the greatness of even the most lowly kind of human. The singularity is a sci-fi myth and if it ever where to happen the machine would stop leaving man alone once more unable to fix it. I reject determinism and the hubristic view that you can predict the future. Fuck you, and you're AI.

[Anonymous No.17765817]

>>17765811
Your*

[Anonymous No.17765848]

>>17765811
>I believe that is exactly where we're going and you admit that in the same paragraph

but progressives don't have that posthumanist goal. they're just doing unconsciously participating. the goal of progressives is human emancipation. but real progress will leave humans behind.

i don't know why you're pissed though. smoke some weed. embrace the ecstasy of witnessing something so incredible as our own demise

[Anonymous No.17765869]

>>17765420
yeah I went a bit Hegel word salad there. I was getting at the fact that arbitrary personality traits and temperaments associated with male or female can only be defined oppositionally by which is absent or varient in quantity or intensity but they only have meaning because they are anchored by the genitalia. For example a tomboy may have masculine traits but we still consider them a woman. So what makes a trans person trans and not just a tomboy. Is it the feeling like they should have different genitalia or that they comfortably self identify with arbitrary cultural coding we associate with either male or female. This would be dependent on time and culture. If the latter is the case then a man who wakes up one day and decides they are female with making no other changes in conception, appearance or action is so. And the current discourse wants us to accept that as valid but I can't stomach that. If the only change is his voice register does that make him a woman? If he adorns their clothes and make up? Is there some performative threshold that becomes transformational, I'm not sure.

[Anonymous No.17765884]

>>17765848
Nah. I don't hate life. Go to twitter Nyx

[Anonymous No.17765907]

>>17765884

i love life. still, we'll disappear even if humans are better than machines, which they may well be. humans are probably better than asteroids too but asteroids they destroy us first, that'll be evolution just the same, and it will akso be an incredible event

[Anonymous No.17765913]

>>17765907

*if asteroids destroy us first

*also

[Anonymous No.17765932]

>>17765907
Atleast we won't be miserable and ugly when we die. Would you kys if I took the internet away from you?

[Anonymous No.17765944]

>>17765932

so you just don't like the idea of human history coming to a close and don't want to be replaced. and no i wouldn't kill myself

[Anonymous No.17765955]

>>17765944
Hey man, I'll happily help you get replaced if that's what you want

[Anonymous No.17765973]

>>17765944
>>17765932

btw i don't like the idea either but it's inevitable. resistance is futile. borg assimilation isn't even a bad analogy.

like a movie with a tragic ending, you can enjoy the thrill of it and not walk out of the movie theatre.

it's reality taking place. enjoy it

[Anonymous No.17765988]

>>17765955

like i said, it's not what i want, it's just what's happening

[Anonymous No.17766001]

>>17765973
I think borg assimilation is a silly fantasy.
Sure. All things end. All the more reason to establish RW monarchy for the hell of it.

[Anonymous No.17766049]

>>17766001

ofc borg assimilation is an exaggeration. the point still stands

by all means establish your monarchy. it'll end the same way. like i said resistance is futile

[Anonymous No.17766061]

Even if a conscious AI develops I don't buy that it's possible for an individual to exist outside their skull. You could make replicas that are functionally identical but if you consider the self to be an illusory emergent qualia of your neural activity I don't think any other simulation would be 'you' so what are we even talking about. Just some corporate technocrotic nightmare with the possibility of propagating human life on other planets or what.
What about instead of a collapsing singularity we use CRISPR to engineer organic evolution into higher planes of consciousness, that could be interesting. Whatever the case I'd still want the possibility of death, immortality is terrifying

[Anonymous No.17766065]

>>17765616
I guess we well see about the singularity. Projecting trends into the future is not usually successful.
As for adoption, it is ok but not without problems. The real problem is she knew I wanted my own biological children and she couldn't have any. So unless she's really rich and going to rent a bunch of wombs, what was the plan?

>>17765869
I was saying they can't just declare themselves, and so become, women. Their inculturation has already happened (or not). They can declare themselves so I guess and I'll call them "she", but it's just to be nice. It's different than the singularity allowing furrys to be real.

>>17765907
Sapience, intelligence at the human level is precious, even if panphysicism is true. (Although consciousness even more precious.) Until we find it elsewhere, humans must be preserved.

[Anonymous No.17766080]

>>17766061

there wouldn't be any 'me' and 'you' left. i don't think anything human will leave a trace when it's all over and done with, so individuals existing outside their skulls wouldn't even apply anymore at that point. there'd be no skulls or brains left, not in any way they exist now.