The Bell Curve

[Anonymous No.17742691]

Thoughts on this book?

[Anonymous No.17742702]

I never read it but it is racist and it should be banned.

[Anonymous No.17742708]

>>17742702
Don't waste your time. It's been debunked as baseless nazi drivel. It's no surprise that it comes up so often in incel communities looking for ways to rationalize their own failures.

[Anonymous No.17742718]

>>17742691
makes lefties seethe

[Anonymous No.17742724]

>>17742691
feet

[Anonymous No.17742745]

>>17742691
May as well read the Protocols of Zion

[Anonymous No.17742778]

>>17742691
The best thing about it is that lefitst have to pretend it's nonsense without being allowed to read it. If you think about it the actual analysis in it is quasi marxist and could lead to similar conclusions.

[Anonymous No.17743090]

>>17742691
Show more feet pics

[Anonymous No.17743104]

>>17742691
There are two groups of people. People who've read it, and people who bring up objections that are addressed in advance within it.

[Anonymous No.17743111]

>>17743104
There are three groups. People who’ve read it and want more feet pics.

[Anonymous No.17743151]

>>17742708
Have you read it, faggot?

[Anonymous No.17743162]

>>17742691
You're holding the book. Can't you make your own thoughts?

[Anonymous No.17743172]

>>17742691
Imagine having to read this book to be told what is already blindingly apparent lol

[Anonymous No.17743173]

>>17742691
do you live in Redmond, WA

[Anonymous No.17743177]

>>17742691
I want those strong white supremacist feet to curbstomp my willing and supple brown ass like in American History X.

[Anonymous No.17743199]

>>17743172
You do that for the exact numbers and a context for what these numbers even mean. That's maybe only a hundred pages in the book though. It gives interesting information nonetheless, it for example compares work experience to IQ or looks at the racial income differences controlled for IQ. It's mostly just depressing though.

[Anonymous No.17743213]

>>17742691
It's a questionable source of information. It was funded by a white nationalist group I believe and one of the main scientists cited, Richard Lynn has been pretty thoroughly discredited.

[Anonymous No.17743224]

Pseudocience for white supremacists.

[Anonymous No.17743226]

>>17743224
>t. retard who hasn't read it.

[Anonymous No.17743247]

>>17742691
Charles Murray:
>Conservative think tank
>Worked with the CIA
>Has yellow fever
checks all the marks for being alt-right

[xhe/xer No.17743252]

>>17743224
Based

[Anonymous No.17743294]

>>17743213
It just includes an overview of the scientific literature. This is what makes these comments so funny. Invariably they have to come from people who haven't read it. Your ideology has to reject the conclusions of the science meaning any outlet into popular culture has to be denounced and smeared and you're not even allowed to read it because you would realize that it just gives the mainstream science view and Murray isn't even involved in that. He just presents it to set up his own theories on social development. This whole this and that detail or person is 'discredited' is completely irrelevant. There are a thousand other studies that tell us the exact same thing. Every research department on the planet comes to the same conclusions.

[Anonymous No.17743297]

>>17742708
>looking for ways to rationalize their own failures.
this books really does the precise opposite of that lel

[Anonymous No.17743300]

>>17742691
Heres the refutation bro

[Anonymous No.17743304]

>>17743294
Lemme guess, you think intelligence is genetic?

[Anonymous No.17743308]

>>17743304
Why would it not be exactly? Where on earth would it come from

[Anonymous No.17743314]

You don't even have to read The Bell Curve to realize that Charles Murray is a charlatan, his other book and fake research (another white supremacist Bible) is full of the same social science BS.

https://twitter.com/evopsychgoogle/status/1188441459860443137

[Anonymous No.17743317]

>>17743294
>It just includes an overview of the scientific literature
Your the one who hasn't read it if you think this. The are using their findings as a rationale for criticizing affirmative action and reducing welfare. It is not a textbook on intelligence and it wasn't even peer reviewed.

[Anonymous No.17743320]

>>17743172
Gravity is blindingly apparent but that doesnt mean you can understand it well by intuition.

[Anonymous No.17743336]

>>17743314
Check and mate. Good work comrade

[Anonymous No.17743342]

>>17743304
The formulation here alone is catastrophic. Everything is genetic. What you mean is if I think intelligence is heritable and the answer to that is yes. Or as the science would say up to 80% heritable. Why would you even talk about this without looking into it? There's no scientifc controversy, it is political controversy. You just have to look at adoptions and compare the IQ of the child to that of the biological parents. In its basic conclusion it's not exactly quantum physics.

[Anonymous No.17743347]

>>17743314
>You don't even have to read
yikes! that's a red flag from me.

[Anonymous No.17743359]

>>17743347
>no argument left to protect his racist idol so has to use sophism.

[Anonymous No.17743364]

>>17743342
Hey buddy, I think you missed something

>>17743314

[Anonymous No.17743372]

>>17743359
Seriously, these racists are just getting more and more pathetic. Hey idiots! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HERITABLE INTELLIGENCE

[Anonymous No.17743386]

>>17742691
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBc7qBS1Ujo
refuted

[Anonymous No.17743388]

>>17743359
my what?

[Anonymous No.17743389]

>>17743314
>Leftists continue to disregard and deride clear evidence
>Checkmate Murray!
Nice one dude

[Anonymous No.17743396]

>>17743364
What I wrote isn't dependent on Murray. Why do you have to be such an ideological zombie? These are the basic conclusion of the field itself. You can read it in the politcally correct wiki or any textbook. This Murray as the super scientist and mastermind of IQ pseudo science is a complete ideological construction. He has nothing to do with the field. He just happened to publish a popular book that included some of the scientific information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ

[Anonymous No.17743405]

>Racists/eugenists, people bent on showing that some populations have inferior mental abilities based on IQ test=intelligence; those have been upset with me for suddenly robbing them of a “scientific” tool, as evidenced by the bitter reactions to the initial post on twitter/smear campaigns by such mountebanks as Charles Murray. (Something observed by the great Karl Popper, psychologists have a tendency to pathologize people who bust them by tagging them with some type of disorder, or personality flaw such as “childish” , “narcissist”, “egomaniac”, or something similar).

https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

[Anonymous No.17743406]

>>17743314
That's not even the bell curve, and Taleb has an obsession with Charles Murray. Next time link the article he wrote about the bell curve.

[Anonymous No.17743413]

>>17742691
A piece of fiction, this guy has been discredited, and gets basic things wrong like heritability. So far we don't fully know the truth on this subject matter, but this book "says the truth" with a fake air of authority.

[Anonymous No.17743415]

>>17743405
taleb's argument relies on math that he made up, presents in an obscure fashion, and refuses to explain to anyone.

[Anonymous No.17743421]

>>17743406
>takes the time to read shitty book written by a fake scholar like Murray
>points out the countless bullshit in his books
>h-he is obsessed!

[Anonymous No.17743424]

>>17743314
That's not even a review for the bell curve. If you're trying to "own the convervatards le epic style" at least reference what taleb actually wrote about the book

[Anonymous No.17743429]

>>17743405
Taleb produced such cringe with that article and childish narcissist and egomanic are exactly the things to say about a person who pretends to know more about a subject than the entire scientific community that is working on it.

[Anonymous No.17743430]

>>17743424
Never said it was, that's why I literally start saying that you don't even have to go to that book to see that the author is a fraud.

[Anonymous No.17743433]

Wait guys I'm getting lost.
Do we hate The Bell Curve because Murray is a pseud?
Is intelligence inheritable?
Does IQ exist?

[Anonymous No.17743444]

>>17743433
Lefties are just seething over Charles Murray again.

[Anonymous No.17743447]

>>17743429
>>17743424
>>17743415
>>17743406
>t. got blocked by Taleb on Twitter.

Not my fault that your white supremacist movement is funded by statistically bankrupt fraudsters.

[Anonymous No.17743451]

>>17743433
Leftists have to pretend the field doesn't exist because the conclusions are politically catastrophic for them. Murray is just a scapegoat in this dynamic and irrelevant to the topic of IQ.

[Anonymous No.17743455]

>>17743430
>you don't even have to go to that book
still a huge yikes, no matter how many times you repeat it, to state that you aren't even familiar with the work you're supposedly addressing.

[Anonymous No.17743458]

>>17743300
Gould lied about those skulls

[Anonymous No.17743460]

>>17743447
>white supremacist
>East Asians have highest IQ
>East Asians also suspiciously commit the least crime, have the best results in school, and highest income
yeah it's just a white supremacist conspiracy

[Anonymous No.17743461]

>>17743447
my what? are you feeling ok?

[Anonymous No.17743462]

>>17743447
Why do you think this constitutes a clever argument? There's no such thing as hard IQ determinism in the opposition. We've heard about Egypt, China and the Vikings.

[Anonymous No.17743466]

>>17743458
'Lied" or 'speculated'? Even if he was wrong, doesnt detract from his argument.

[Anonymous No.17743468]

>>17743460
Even funnier is that Jews are at the top.

[xhe/xer No.17743473]

>>17743447
Based

[Anonymous No.17743474]

>>17743466
>Even if he was wrong, doesnt detract from his argument
What?

[Anonymous No.17743475]

>>17743466
He outright lied, and there are more recent studies of brain size that show the same thing. As though it's somehow preposterous that there could be a link between the size of the organ responsible for intelligence and intelligence

[Anonymous No.17743482]

>>17743468
Jews are just a subset of whites in the data

[Anonymous No.17743485]

>>17743317
Murray is a UBI fanboi

[Anonymous No.17743491]

>>17743485
He only proposes that so that we can reduce welfare and give people less money then they are already getting.

[Anonymous No.17743500]

>>17743482
Sure. It's just that the thought of Jews being put at the top by nazi scientists is amusing. The left is so fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.17743505]

>>17743317
>It is not a textbook on intelligence and it wasn't even peer reviewed.
It makes neither claim

[Anonymous No.17743508]

>>17743466
He does make some sound arguments, don't get me wrong. But he actually lied about the measurements, it wasn't just a mistake. It detracts from his actually criticisms about the skulls

[Anonymous No.17743510]

>>17743447
Sorry, again, just want to cut to the chase here. Do you think intelligence is inheritable?

[Anonymous No.17743516]

>>17743466
>deliberately falsifying data in support of your argument doesn't detract from the argument
you are deluded

[Anonymous No.17743526]

>>17743505
The science in it is peer reviewed though. Why even take these outbursts seriously? It's very clear that these people have not read it and have no idea who Murray even is. He's just the ideological embodiment of the concept of IQ for them. Broadly they think he came up with this stuff and if he isn't credible then it goes away. That he just presents the mainstream view of a hundred years of science on this topic is completely beyond them.

[Anonymous No.17743553]

>>17743526
>Why even take these outbursts seriously?
I mean, I'm pretty sure they're trolling, so it's not like I'm going to get mad about it. Kinda funny imo to calmly respond with much less effort, and make them keep dumping the work in to no end. I guess a few people in here do seem to be getting a bit hot under the collar tho.

[Anonymous No.17743572]

>>17743553
I don't think they're trolling. This is the standard reaction of leftists. They have to do that for ideological reasons but if you can convince them to actually look into it not only will they see the reality but their entire ideological framework can collapse. I mean the lie here is so big and pervasive it just has to make them think about what else they have been lied about. That's at least why I like to discuss it.

[Anonymous No.17743577]

>>17743553
It's fun to argue

[Anonymous No.17743591]

>>17743572
>I don't think they're trolling. This is the standard reaction of leftists.
This is why it's so easy to troll, lol. The "leftists" your arguing with aren't making any real/new points. They're simply playing the caricature.

[Anonymous No.17743599]

>>17743577
Yeah I get it. At the end of the day, we're all here posting, rather than reading, in order to get "strokes," in social psychology terms. And it doesnt really matter if they're positive or negative. The attention alone is all our brains crave.

[Anonymous No.17743610]

>>17743591
Doesn't matter, then we play it out for the audience. It's easy pickings. This topic is the Achilles' heel of the left and shitlibs broadly. They're discredited just by arguing against it yet they have no choice. They're literally arguing against the validity of statistical mathematics.

[Anonymous No.17743621]

>>17742691
Stupid

[Anonymous No.17743640]

The greatest irony of the bell curve is that H&M instrumentalize the whole IQ concept within it in order to argue for transforming society in the direction of equity, and yet this end goal, which seems to be right up Progressive Alley, is never even recognized by their critics, who get caught up in the discomfort of race talk.

[Anonymous No.17743645]

>>17743314
Four dimensional shit posting at its finest. So subtle, it is, to the eyes of the uninitiated, like looking at the primitive representation of a hypercube in 2 dimensions on a computer screen.

[Anonymous No.17743656]

>>17742691
geriatric feet

[Anonymous No.17743668]

>>17743656
ok now this is just straight up trolling

[Anonymous No.17743692]

Special thanks to everyone in this thread, I just bought this book. Anything you retards hate is always worth reading.

[Anonymous No.17743700]

>>17743640
You can think further than that in the sense of advances in genetic science. Their vision of perfect equality could in genetic terms actually become a reality, but they created such taboos around the topic that it will delay this by decades. The Soviets did the same thing and crippled their genetic research. It will be fucking China inventing these technologies and God knows what the communist party will do with that.

[Anonymous No.17743709]

>>17743700
Why do you even need equality, i never got this?

[Anonymous No.17743716]

>>17743645
This is posted in every Murray thread and likely by the same person. It's propably more Jewish neurosis than trolling.

[Anonymous No.17743731]

>>17743709
There are problems associated with income inequality. People become more criminal and whatnot. It becomes a huge problem in multiracial democracies because the lower IQ classes become a sort of permanent revolutionary element which can be mobilized against the higher IQ groups creating instability throughout the system. The moment we align black IQ in the US for example the notion of black oppression will be over propably within a year.

[Anonymous No.17743744]

>>17743709
H&M argue in the book that because of the realities of stratified IQ outcomes along most every significant metric in life, the cognitive elite, a relatively very small group, are soaring on and up into a sci-fi type utopic future, while more and more the rest are left in a world of shit. If you're smart, rich, and successful, you may say 'who cares,' but otherwise you'd probably personally benefit from adjustments towards equity that neutralize the cognitive stratification. But man, doesn't that sound "leftist?" It amazes me progressives don't realize they could use this stuff. They just flip out because they hear "blacks dumb" and never comprehend the rest of it, which is actually an argument for helping blacks, and so on