/sffg/ - Science fiction and Fantasy general

[Anonymous No.17704987]

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[Anonymous No.17704989]

first for zyzz

[Anonymous No.17705004]

>>17704989
second for Zioz

[Anonymous No.17705389]

What are some grimdark fantasy books?

[Anonymous No.17705820]

Not everyone can be Saved
...And that's a good thing!

[Anonymous No.17706000]

Anyone want some smut reviews? Too bad, I'm gonna do it anyway. I'm no professional, so I'm just gonna do it out of three stars - bad, meh, good. Here's the first one I read, so I thought it should be the first I review:

Building Harem Town book 1
Story: 2/3
Standard isekai fare. Starts with the protagonist waking up in the new world - no wasting time on earth. He wakes up to find three women worshiping him as a god who has fallen out of favor, but who has been around in this world for all its history. They give him actual RPG stats and quests, which is a bit of a turnoff for me, but it said litrpg in the title, so I can hardly fault it. The characters are fine, though the MC is a bit typically slow on the uptake and completely unwilling to play the part, which is a bit of a turnoff. Three girls, one stereotypically believing, the other skeptical, and the third kind of forgotten in the mix. About half the book is devoted to the girls using primitive technology to build things. It's moderately interesting, but it makes a common problem of being too in depth for someone that doesn't care about it and not in depth enough for people that do. For example, I still don't really have a good sense on what a 'hammer stone' is or how they were 'winding cordage' from plant fibers. And I'm not totally drawn into the MC's main drive of 'why am I here being worshiped?' That's just kind of how isekais work. It would be like having the main motivation of a WWI novel be the MC trying to learn who Franz Ferdinand was while he's already in the trenches. But in short, the story's fine. Cut down on the primitive tech (or go way more into it) and maybe have the third female join the group later to help with the pacing and break up the monotony of building.

Smut 3/3
The first proper sex scene comes about halfway through the book, which is a bit late for my taste, but the scene itself is very well written. There are two one on one scenes right after the other and then a foursome scene right at the end. Coupled with my complaints about the pacing above, I feel like they should have been spaced out more, and one of the girls didn't get a one on one scene at all. The saving grace was that the author did a very good job with titillation throughout the book, starting with the girls' lewd outfits, describing their bodies, and having plenty of nip slips and such before the actual sex hit. Definitely kept me going and probably the most physically arousing book I've read.

[Anonymous No.17706008]

>>17706000
Whoops, wrong cover. Embarassing.

[Anonymous No.17706052]

Any tips for going into this? I'm reading The Knight right now and I really like it.

[Anonymous No.17706103]

>>17706000
>but the scene itself is very well written
Wait this isn't a book with pictures? What manner of porn is this?

[Anonymous No.17706141]

>>17706052
Remember that Sev is an unreliable narrarator. He will often contradict things he said previously. He is also very biased and jumps to conclusions.

[Anonymous No.17706193]

>>17706103
Nope, it's a novel. Just one with explicit sex scenes. I'm trying to write some smut books, so I've been reading a bunch. They're quick reads and there's dozens on Kindle Unlimited, which Amazon basically gives you an unlimited free trial for. Though I've been buying the ones I like too, both to keep track and support the author.

[Anonymous No.17706312]

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=KbZ53d3k1cQ&feature=share

Bakker must have loved Candide. Eärwa is the worst of all possible worlds.

[Anonymous No.17706368]

>>17706312
>Eärwa is the worst of all possible worlds
I don't think so.It would be worse if everyone went to hell, but many people are saved.

[Anonymous No.17706407]

>>17706368
>many people are saved
i guess 0.00001% of souls is kind of many

[Anonymous No.17706415]

>>17706407
Those numbers are made up. We don't know how many are saved, only that there's a hundred or so gods and perhaps all but ayokli save people who please them.

[Anonymous No.17706464]

>>17706052
The narrator is a psychopathic retard.

[Anonymous No.17706486]

What would people here recommend for fun violent books?
Like not grimdark stuff where there's all the edginess and protagonists getting fucked over just fun ultra-violence.
Ideally in smaller fights instead of army size wars too.

Been thinking about this myself and it's trickier to answer than I thought even with the whole "Shonen but fantasy" trend Sanderson kicked off

[Anonymous No.17706494]

>>17706486
Bakker has a lot of small scale violence, both sexual and otherwise. Lots of small unit combat, among bigger scenes.

[Anonymous No.17706509]

>>17706052
>>17706141
>>17706464
He is so annoying, he is so frightening, and he doesn't wear a shirt.

[Anonymous No.17706522]

>>17706486
Black Company, but that's more armyish

[Anonymous No.17706539]

>>17706486
I think you'd like sword and sandal books like Conan or Gor, if they're not still verboten in the thread.

[Anonymous No.17706553]

>>17706522
See I was gonna say that black company is one that I thought of and then dismissed.
Because croaker is presenting a heavily edited narrative of events you don't get too much of the fun stuff. A lot of would be fun scenes are kept short for narrative effect.
>>17706539
Fafhrd and Mouser is the one older S+S work I've tried and that felt quite dry in its presentation. It's still very violent, even probably moreso than modern books since the supporting cast can always be killed off but I never found it that exciting.

[Anonymous No.17706601]

>>17706486
Kane by Karl Wagner. Conan-tier S&S. Very underrated.

[Anonymous No.17706617]

>>17706415
>perhaps all but ayokli save people who please them
Some gods only like to hurt people, though. Like the famine god.

But the stronger gods, according to people in the setting, do have a good side (Yatwer likes love, Gilgaol likes honor)

[Anonymous No.17706628]

Can I talk about Blood Meridian here? I'm making my way through it and I'm not coping too well with the lack of punctuation.

[Anonymous No.17706646]

>>17706628
read JR next if you want some punctuation lol

[Anonymous No.17706670]

>>17706628
Imagine you're sitting around a campfire at night, and a guy with a southern accent is narrating the whole thing to you. That's the proper way to experience Blood Meridian

[Anonymous No.17706689]

I didn't get much of a desired response last thread so I'll post it again. I recently read David Edding's Belgariad, and I really, really liked it, among the most enjoyable literature I've ever consumed. Now I've got the Malloreon coming in the mail from Barnes and Noble, but I'd like some recommendations for the same kind of wholesome and uplifting fantasy or science-fiction sagas as these novels.

Things I've already read:
>Chronicles of Narnia
>Lord of the Rings
>L'Engle's Time series
>The Chronicles of Prydain
>the first Dune novel
>Barsoom series
>a vast deal of Star Wars expanded universe content.

[Anonymous No.17706690]

>>17706646
What does JR stand for.

>>17706670
I get that, I just can't parse through it too well. It forces me to slow down.

[Anonymous No.17706695]

>>17706283
>he has two mothers but no father?
Nah. He's just pretty.

[Anonymous No.17706696]

>>17706670
Audiobookchads win again.

[Anonymous No.17706759]

>>17706695
I really, really, really like this image.

[Anonymous No.17706893]

>>17706052
Remember that incest is best cest

[Anonymous No.17706919]

>>17706695
>El abominacion del Peredhil
I'm glad you were in that thread to see my post :3

[Anonymous No.17706946]

>>17704989
Based

[Anonymous No.17707029]

Drawfag here, taking requests... Bakker and Tolkien only

[Anonymous No.17707056]

>>17707029
Esmenet, Serwa, Kellhus,

[Anonymous No.17707166]

>>17707056
>Esmenet, Serwa, Kellhus,
I'll try. Give me a bit.

[Anonymous No.17707178]

>>17706919
Yeah.
I say you, buddy. :)

[Anonymous No.17707224]

>>17706759
I glad you do.
I've been enjoying making the pic, little by little; to read the books again, and search for art related to the characters.

[Anonymous No.17707255]

/sffg/, thoughts on this monster that I want to put in my book?

>At first glance, the creature resembled a turkey, albeit with the size, claws and fangs of its therapod ancestors. Then its plumage shifted and I began to notice the fingernails. Like a mockery of a child's art project, the illusion of feathers vanished to reveal its form was bristling with dark, vaguely human fingers, each as long and thick as my arm. I thought them vestigial but they squirmed eagerly. Then it noticed us, and the beast let out a roar

It's supposed to be a bit disturbing and a bit comedic, I just need aname for it that'sbetter than the awful one I came up with

[Anonymous No.17707278]

>>17707255
it both sucks and is boring, come up with something else.

[Anonymous No.17707298]

>>17707278
how can I improve?

[Anonymous No.17707332]

>>17707255
It does not suck and is not boring, but it's really hard to tell if it's a good idea without seeing it in context. Without knowing anything else about it, my first instinct was to name it the finger turkey. Then I realized its true name: Tyrannosaurus dex.

[Anonymous No.17707363]

>>17706193
>which Amazon basically gives you an unlimited free trial for
Elaborate.

[Anonymous No.17707417]

>>17707332
>Tyrannosaurus dex
truly the muses speak to you anon

>it's really hard to tell if it's a good idea without seeing it in context
It's mostly just for a one-off joke. It's a creature guarding some decorative corn like in the picture I posted that the MC tries to steal to make cornbread

I'm thinking I might imply it has a cockatrice-like ability to turn creatures to stone, but I feel like I'm adding too much detail

[Anonymous No.17707436]

>>17707417
Phalangetrice

[Anonymous No.17707441]

>>17707178
am i the only that find parts of tom bombadil chapter creepy. Probably because i read theories about him before reading the book

[Anonymous No.17707453]

What do you guys think he smells like?

[Anonymous No.17707458]

>>17707453
Lynx Africa

[Anonymous No.17707461]

>>17707453
salami

[Anonymous No.17707467]

>>17705389
Elric of Melniboné?

[Anonymous No.17707478]

>>17707363
I actually work at an Amazon book store, so this might not work online, I have to admit. Amazon re-offers trials every so often. For Kindle unlimited, they re-offed immediately after your free period ends when you're at the store. Not only that, but this time I forgot and when I checked online, they offered me three months free literally the day after my last trial ended. We'll see what happens after that ends, but I've had Kindle unlimited for 7 our of the last 12 months and haven't paid a penny for it.

[Anonymous No.17707505]

>>17707029
>albeit with the size, claws and fangs of its therapod ancestors
Do you mean theropod? What size is that supposed to be then? Theropod sizes ranged from 10t to 100g.

[Anonymous No.17707511]

>>17707478
I don't know shit about Amazon stores but it does appear the trial is available again for me. It's one of those that end immediately if you cancel it though. They also offer the first 2 months for 5 dollars. Kinda tempted to at least get the 2 months so I can waste time reading shitty smut books.

[Anonymous No.17707543]

>>17707511
Just set a reminder in your phone to cancel on the last day. Then check if you can get the trial again the day after. KU's actually not that great of a service, so Amazon pushes the trials hard as fuck in the hope people just forget.

But I'd say go for it. They're certainly not amazing literary achievements, but I've been having a blast reading and writing smut the past couple months.

[Anonymous No.17707560]

What are your opinions on the award winning Fantasy trilogy by proud black woman author N.K. Jemisin?

[Anonymous No.17707597]

>>17707560
She would be working retail somewhere if publishers weren't afraid of being called racist on Twitter for not publishing her slop

[Anonymous No.17707609]

>>17707597
I don't think publishers give a shit. They reject people all the time. What did you dislike about her slop? Please tell me in detail.

[Anonymous No.17707619]

>>17707255
It's a turkey but its featers are fingers, what?

[Anonymous No.17707620]

[Anonymous No.17707622]

been listening to the first wheel of time audiobook. It's alright I guess. Not exactly riveting, matt is an annoying dumbass.

[Anonymous No.17707628]

>>17707620
spooked

>>17707622
You'd be better off reading IKEA manuals

[Anonymous No.17707630]

>>17707622
Matt and Perrin are both insufferable, especially Perrin once Faile is introduced.

[Anonymous No.17707641]

>>17707622
Promises of what's to come are what kept me going through the first book.

>>17707630
Perrin made me fall asleep. Matt is entertaining sometimes at least.

[Anonymous No.17707652]

>>17707619
more like a tyrannosaurus-sized proto-turkey made out of giant human hands

[Anonymous No.17707679]

Speaking of audio, does anyone have any good recommendations for genre-fiction audiobooks? I just finished going through the whole Dresden series on audio, including the two latest ones. I'm looking for a new series I can sink my teeth (ears?) into. Preferably narrated by someone who doesn't make me want to fall asleep (I primarily listen while driving, you see).

[Anonymous No.17707691]

>>17707641
is the 2nd book that much better?

[Anonymous No.17707710]

>>17707691
no. first book is setup, 2nd book is some actual plot, 3rd is a little plot, 4th through 11th is almost 1 full book worth of plot but mostly blueballs femdom torture, then you get 3 books by sanderson in a wildly different and shittier style that finishes the series and leaves a horrible aftertaste.
not recommended, 0/10, worse than staring at a blank wall.

[Anonymous No.17707715]

>>17707641
Matt very quickly becomes the generic sneaky rogue of the group but without any of the charisma those characters usually have.

[Anonymous No.17707716]

>>17707679
If historical fiction counts as genre fiction, then the Master and Commander series is not only one of the greatest book series ever written, but Patrick Tull's narration is one the best performances ever recorded too.

[Anonymous No.17707720]

>>17707710
wtf I didn't know there were ELEVEN books, damn.
Can someone please tell me a good /sffg/ book that I can listen to while I walk around? Red Rising was fun.

[Anonymous No.17707734]

>>17707720
Man I fucking hate Red Rising. I liked the first book initially but after finishing the original trilogy I just hate how it huffs its own farts. Like I can just see the author being smug about writing his shitty asspulls. Also the nicknames are turbo cringe.

[Anonymous No.17707753]

>>17707720
There's 14, and like the other anon said, 8 of them are mostly filler with nothing happening except boring internal politics and personal character stories for characters you don't care about and that don't affect the overall plot in any way.

[Anonymous No.17707774]

>>17707255
>At first glance, the creature resembled a turkey,
Nah

[Anonymous No.17707777]

>>17707753
>>17707720
I don't mind the side characters. I don't mind most of Brando Sando's Stormlight perspectives either Does that make me brain damaged?

[Anonymous No.17707791]

>>17707056
Here you go anon

[Anonymous No.17707794]

>>17707734
the worst part was the twist reveal at the end. literally any other character being the terrorist leader would've been better, completely deflates the whole book.
up til then it was good, like 70% of it is really solid. obviously all the sequels are shit.

[Anonymous No.17707807]

>>17707794
I also hate that the other dude basically hated the main character for something he obviously had no control over. Except for just you know, dying.

[Anonymous No.17707808]

>>17707791
eheh

[Anonymous No.17707881]

>>17707791
Mogged after all.

[Anonymous No.17707885]

>>17707777
This general can be hyper critical of lots of stuff, with or w/o merit. I wouldn't take it's opinions too seriously unless you are looking for recommendations, and even then, heck perhaps especially then, you are reading books to enjoy and entertain yourself, not to impress people on the internet.

[Anonymous No.17707888]

>>17707609
It has fags and transsexuals. Both of which have no place in media.

[Anonymous No.17707923]

>>17707888
Rome had those too, and Rome was pretty great.

[Anonymous No.17707952]

>>17707923
Wrong

[Anonymous No.17707993]

unrelated, but this was fucking terrible. it has a reasonable premise, but the writing is insufferable. i usually like stream of consciousness stuff, and cage of souls was great, this was not.
perhaps the inclusion of a ze/hir as one of the pinnacles of humanity that makes up the mission team for what is certainly the most important scientific undertaking in human history should've tipped me off.
it ends with a twist: the story that was middling to decent turns out to be a really bad story, go fuck yourself, the end.

think i'm done with this author, cage of souls might be the only good thing he's written.

[Anonymous No.17708005]

Are there any web novels that you gentlemen would consider not shit?

[Anonymous No.17708050]

>>17707791
Imagine being like 65 years old and going on a constant jog like 10 months, eating nothing buy cocaine

[Anonymous No.17708089]

>>17707993
I read his books with the spiders, then the one with the octouppsies
thought some of the concepts was very interesting, and they are all explained thoroughly so you really, really, get what he's trying to tell
but, I think his "characters" fell fucking flat, where they supposed to be humans?, his writing was so sterile
only fun writing moment was when he was doing alien-thingy alien thinking
basically; stick to writing short stories, my dude. These books are not entirely pleasant to read

[Anonymous No.17708104]

>>17708005
Worm was interesting. Still kinda shit, but interesting. The first long section or arc or whatever is probably the best.

[Anonymous No.17708107]

>>17708005
Clarify, what type of web novels do you have interest in? I can recommend a few I enjoy but it'd be good to know a bit about your tastes and the genre you are interested in.

[Anonymous No.17708174]

>>17708107
Something interesting, I'm not picky. As long as there's no blatant in your face spiels about oppression by the white man or something.

>>17708104
I thought it was okay until the cloned the gang of edgelords like 9000 times or some dumb shit. Then it just dragged on too much and I couldn't finish. I kept expecting the main character to get some kind of power boost and it never happened.

[Anonymous No.17708179]

>>17708089
cage of souls didn't have that problem, the characters are well fleshed out, not sterile at all. i'm further convinced that it's the only good thing he's written and may be somewhat of a fluke. it's long but i'd recommend it, i'd put it up there with blindsight for modern sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.17708263]

>>17706628
this book sucks and literally only incels like it

[Anonymous No.17708264]

Riddle me this. What's Sci-fi's obsession with awkward sex scenes?

[Anonymous No.17708266]

>>17708174
>Something interesting
Well, reverend insanity certainly is that, tho not my cup of tea because antisocial protags aren't what I'm into when it comes to webnovels but it might work for you. Other options include Wolf Never Sleeps(just checked it's actually translated as The Wolf won't sleep), don't know why it popped into my head all of the sudden but I'd say it is an interesting take on isekai, not exactly unique, but unusual for sure. I'd recommend Vermilion but it's untranslated for the largest part and is unfinished to the point of abandonment but It has it's charm for MMO isekai setting story. Another one I haven't read but might suit you if you are looking for "interesting" is The Girl Who Bore the Flame Ring, it's fairly short so might float your boat without needing to invest much time. Something like Re:Zero is widely popular because of /a/nime but the novel's solid too. Ark 4 is what's currently airing, ark 5 is meh, by re zero standards, still head and shoulders ahead of most drivel, but 6 is solid and is nearly on par with 4.

If you are into cultivation novels I could reccomend a few more but the genre rarely does anything "interesting" as it's pretty formulatic so lets leave it at RI.

[Anonymous No.17708276]

>>17707560
wow 3 hugos in 3 years she deserved those !

>>17708174
main character becomes totally broken at the end and its fucking cringe, they can mind control people and mind control a teleporter and some other op nigga and just teleport around the world reking people

[Anonymous No.17708283]

>>17708264
incel authors

[Anonymous No.17708310]

>>17708276
Kinda pointless if it's at the very end though. Had to slog through ages of spider thread shenanigans that seemed dubiously plausible at best. I hate the whole underdog who is a master planner trope.

[Anonymous No.17708316]

>>17707777
Stormlight is awesome.
Also Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson.

[Anonymous No.17708318]

>>17708310
the whole "bro shes so creative with how she uses her power" shit from fans is annoying, it's a genuinely strong power and there's bs stuff like her making a suit of spider armor

[Anonymous No.17708349]

>>17708316

[Anonymous No.17708371]

>>17707560
One of those books where it's hard as hell to get an honest review. Bad faith participants are basically 80% of who talks about these books. You'll just have to read it and decide for yourself.

[Anonymous No.17708373]

>Does it trouble you?
take two

[Anonymous No.17708404]

>>17707560
After all the bullshit i stopped reading anything written by blacks or women in general, which is a shame because my favorite author is still machado de assis.
I have nothing against either of those groups but because "the power that be" push absolute garbage and praise it simply because of the gender or skin tone of the one writing i don't have it in me to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Anonymous No.17708420]

>>17707923
wrong on both account rome was shit(just a another Greek knockoff) and transexuals were a even smaller minority than they were today. Fags and homosexuals are not one and the same, i doubt rome had fags either.

[Anonymous No.17708460]

>>17708404
This is functionally the same as people refusing to read white men for much the same reason. Which, free country, but that's no reason to swear off negro lit. Negros lit written in the last 20 years? Sure I guess. The biggest crime is Whitehead winning two pulitzers.

[Anonymous No.17708479]

>>17708460
>Negros lit written in the last 20 years?
Yes that is what I was referring to. Of course older writers, who are acclaimed or not, should (in theory) be good safe from this. But in our current publishing industry there is just too much garbage being spewed while being praised for me to bother.
Prizes have no meaning at all these days.

[Anonymous No.17708553]

Is anyone else surprised Stephen King hasn't been canceled in the current year? For that one scene in It I mean. People have been canceled for less in old tweets.

[Anonymous No.17708562]

>>17708005
If you're already scraping the barrel for webnovels, try out VNs too. I recommend the When They Cry series(Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia). Higurashi is horror, Umineko is mystery, Ciconia is scifi.

[Anonymous No.17708566]

>>17708264
You don't get much time to jack off when you're publishing a 1000 page tome every year

[Anonymous No.17708604]

>>17708553

[Anonymous No.17708618]

>>17708604
They've cannibalized their own before that won't stop them so I don't buy it.

[Anonymous No.17708662]

>>17708604
>if stephen king is honestly a genius (and i believe he is)
and that's how you know this person is retarded.

[Anonymous No.17708670]

>>17708479
I don't hate all contemporary lit just because of the toxicity of modern publishing, but I have to admit that it turns me off. I also hate how black media in general has regressed back into slavery and Civil Rights narratives. Not that there aren't interesting stories still to be told about that(the Fred Hampton film is something new), but I'd rather see talented black authors novelize honestly contemporary black existence, or better yet, something where the overarching theme isn't explicitly about blackness. It's true that every story written is colored by the author's experiences, but agents don't trust average people to grasp subtleties.
But since this is /sff/
Will Wight completely ripped the Goldsign shit from Sanderson. Unbelievable display of hackery

[Anonymous No.17708676]

>>17708670
>Will Wight completely ripped the Goldsign shit from Sanderson.
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.17708682]

>>17708670
>He read Cradle AND Sanderson
You get what you fucking deserve!

[Anonymous No.17708695]

I enjoyed Cradle.

[Anonymous No.17708722]

>>17708670
>Will Wight completely ripped the Goldsign shit from Sanderson.
What. It's a completely generic concept from shonen anime, like Naruto having whiskers due to having a fox spirit in him. If Sanderson does something similar it's because he's taking inspiration from the same places, not because he invented it. It's so generic you can't even say who it's being ripped off from, because nobody even knows who started the trend anymore.

[Anonymous No.17708791]

>>17708722
What did Sanderson even do similar?

[Anonymous No.17708823]

>>17708670
a black person has never written a story about anything except racism

[Anonymous No.17708832]

>>17708791
I don't know, I don't read his shit, I was just responding to a dumb post. Saying Goldsigns are a ripoff of anything Sanderson wrote is like saying having wheels or trees is a ripoff of something Tolkien wrote.

[Anonymous No.17708841]

okay fellas what's the worst written shit you have thoroughly enjoyed experiencing?

[Anonymous No.17708857]

>>17708832
based Tolkien inventing trees

[Anonymous No.17708865]

>>17708841
Hmm...
Animorphs.

[Anonymous No.17708871]

>>17708050
>like 10 months
Wasn't it closer to 9 months? I mean they made it before he set out and it came out almost right after.

[Anonymous No.17708878]

>>17708841
Probably some fanfic.

[Anonymous No.17708886]

>>17708841
MTL novels from pixiv.

[Anonymous No.17708947]

>>17708841
Index light novels

[Anonymous No.17708985]

>>17708823
Nah, I have a bunch on my shelf.
>>17708682
I just read anything sff desu. I'm shit and I deserve shit

[Anonymous No.17709014]

>>17708841
Cradle without a doubt. It's not necessarily shit, but I haven't enjoyed anything worse written. Maybe Worm?

[Anonymous No.17709038]

>>17708841
Stephen Baxter's Northland trilogy

[Anonymous No.17709078]

>>17709014
I would have said the same but I can't really say Cradle is badly written. Characterization may be basic and play off cliches, but it's strong and consistent, every single character is almost instantly memorable. The plot may be generic, but it's relatively well paced (the second book lags a bit, but I can give that a pass), tightly focused, and has a clear goal and motivation for every character. The world building is brief enough that it doesn't bog the series down but still lets you form a clear picture of the political and geographic layout of things. Yeah, the prose is basic, but the series is meant to be light reading, so opaque prose would be meaningless.
In comparison, if Cradle were written by Branderson, each book would begin and end at the same point, but be 600 pages longer, have twice as many characters, and Yerin would be another Shallan. THAT would be badly written.

Cradle is unashamedly low brow but it plays to its strengths and doesn't let itself get bogged down in minutiae, which are objectively the most important aspects of making a series enjoyable. It reminds me of Codex Alera in that aspect. It's objectively silly (Codex Alera was literally written on a bet for a round of drinks), but it makes it work.

[Anonymous No.17709096]

>>17709078
I agree with this. Cradle is basically a decent battle shonen novelized. And it's the easiest read I've had since middle school.

[Anonymous No.17709110]

>>17709096
>>17709078
Personally, the hoarding tickles my PP.

[Anonymous No.17709117]

>>17709110
I also enjoyed that aspect of Lindon's character. The borderline kleptomania was always a good laugh.

[Anonymous No.17709140]

>>17709117
What ever happened to that flying sword he stole in like the first book? I swear it was never mentioned again.

[Anonymous No.17709147]

>>17709140
He left that behind because they ran out of time and had to bail, he took the cloud instead. He gets one of his own in the later books.

[Anonymous No.17709155]

>>17709147
I know he gets one, I just remembered wondering about that. I could have sworn he took it with him and they literally never mentioned it after.

[Anonymous No.17709224]

>>17707029
Sam carrying frodo on his back like the true hero he is

[Anonymous No.17709237]

>>17709224
Already been done, and often, Mr Frodo.

[Anonymous No.17709296]

>>17709237
Yes but i wanna see drawanon from this thread do it

[Anonymous No.17709302]

>>17709237
this reminds me of how much i hate redditor faggots, they'll post something like

>I drew Jon snow from game of thrones
no you drew kit harrington you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.17709412]

any good book featuring klingons?

[Anonymous No.17709694]

I'm not a reader of fantasy, but I'd like to give it a try. Specifically, there's a movie I love called Mandy, which features a reading from a non-existent fantasy novel, and I just love the style of it. Magical, but magic as chthonian, bloody and cruel, less wizards waving wands around and closer to pagan nature worship. Is there any fantasy that has this style, or was the filmmaker referencing someone in particular? Here's the passage:

>Under the crimson, primordial sky surrounded by the jagged rocks of the ancient volcanic mountain, the wretched Warlock reached into the dark embrace of the fissure until his hand touched a smooth glassy surface. Cold as ice. His fist closed around The Serpent’s Eye. Slowly he withdrew it and held it before him in the fading light of the blood-red suns. It glowed from within. A ghostly emerald light. Strange and eternal.

[Anonymous No.17709724]

>>17709694
Mandy is literally just a modern reimagining of a Conan the Barbarian.

[Anonymous No.17709735]

>>17709694
>that prose
the eye of argon

[Anonymous No.17710183]

>>17707720
First law is better than Sando+Jordan, and has a really good narrator. I listen to a lot of audiobooks because of my work, and Abercrombie's are by far the best I've heard.

[Anonymous No.17710186]

>>17708349
kek

[Anonymous No.17710398]

>>17708841
Definitely Worm. I don't have much love for unedited amateur writing, power level bullshit, superheroes, teen drama, long serials and gratuitous fight scenes but I read the whole fucking thing and I liked at least half of it

Copycat a best

[Anonymous No.17711009]

>look up high fantasy romance stories in goodreads
>it's all faggot shit or aimed at women
Should I just stop looking

[Anonymous No.17711022]

>>17711009
The Curse of Chalion is what you're looking for.

[Anonymous No.17711098]

>>17711022
thank you

[Anonymous No.17711137]

>>17706141
I am halfway through the claw and haven't noticed any significant contradictions yet. Am I missing something or does it begin later?

[Anonymous No.17711147]

>>17706690
Then slow down what's the issue?

[Anonymous No.17711210]

>>17706670
>>17706696
>Imagine you're sitting around a campfire at night, and a guy with a southern accent is narrating the whole thing to you.
This is the first time I've read a compelling argument for audiobooks, unless you're blind or something.

[Anonymous No.17711239]

>>17711210
If you have a long road trip ahead of you, audio books can be great.

[Anonymous No.17711311]

>>17707560
I liked it, already given a somewhat more in-depth commentary about it in a previous thread (namely I am a bit bothered by the inconsistent tone). I just finished the second book in the trilogy and as I expected it's not as enjoyable as the first one sine the novelty is gone, and the pacing was pretty slow compared to it as well. Would not recommend on 4chan/10.

[Anonymous No.17711317]

what are some sci fi classics that are not some miserable dystopian drama stories? i have that enough in my real life but want to get into the genre

[Anonymous No.17711321]

>>17711317
The Stars my Destination.

[Anonymous No.17711357]

>>17711321
thanks I've heard about this I'll check it out

[Anonymous No.17711361]

>>17711239
I usually listen to podcasts in that case because I don't want to miss something important or feel like I did, I sometimes read a page a few times for that same reason.

[Anonymous No.17711366]

>>17711317
I don't remember many western books without either dystopia or misery. Maybe Princess of Mars, or something by Larry Niven?

Russians have quite a few though, like Humans as Gods by Snegov, or the whole series about Alice by Kir Bulychev.. No idea if they are translated though.

[Anonymous No.17711496]

>>17707620
>anything but the lord's prayer
lmao these heretics gonna burn in hell

[Anonymous No.17711530]

>>17709694
Give the dying earth a shot aswell

[Anonymous No.17711712]

kellhus commision is coming alone, hopefully will have an update when i wake up in liek 10 hours

[Anonymous No.17711868]

>>17706193
>Wanted to write and sell some cheap smut on Amazon as an experiment
>No rape
>No incest
>No beastiality
>Apparently can never be sure what they're gonna just randomly decide some other niche gets the axe

Well fuck there goes like 80 percent of my ideas and thus motivation.

[Anonymous No.17712018]

Scientology aside; was Hubbard a good sci-fi writer?

Battlefield Earth is such a fun book, but I never see people talk about it.

[Anonymous No.17712114]

Do you think Will Wight will make Cradle into a love triangle?

[Anonymous No.17712143]

>>17712114
I don’t think so. He seemed to back off the mercy shipping. Played it more as a joke.

[Anonymous No.17712171]

>rereading Wintersteel

[Anonymous No.17712336]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.17712355]

I need an audio book to listen to
What audio books have you been enjoying?

[Anonymous No.17712358]

>>17712355
lol

[Anonymous No.17712383]

>>17712358
You shouldn't feel elitist about reading genre fiction

[Anonymous No.17712385]

>>17712383
lmao

[Anonymous No.17712417]

>>17706486
The Star FIST series by Dan Cragg and David Sherman. It is pretty much all just platoon size skirmishes or smaller. Fun reads if you can get over the thinly disguised USMC Ooorah moto style.

[Anonymous No.17712496]

>>17711317
The Humanx (this is a compound of human and thranx, not some gendershit) series by Alan Dean Foster is a generally very upbeat first contact series.

"The Flying Sorcerers" is a truly hilarious science fiction book by Larry Niven and David Gerrold.

[Anonymous No.17712509]

>>17712336
that was a good story. That scene with the woman in the tank flipping out was haunting.

[Anonymous No.17712734]

I've read like one Alistair Reynolds book and thought it was ok. Give me some Sci-fi to blow my mind.

[Anonymous No.17712951]

>>17712734
>I've read like one Alistair Reynolds book and thought it was ok
Well all his books are shit in IMO. Go for the classics if you haven't already. Reading rendezvous with rama, the forever war or the robot series by azimov for the first time is something i envy those who can do it. Skip robots and empire tho it has no place in the series and only serves as shitty glue for azimov to join together completely unrelated stories in one continuity that doesn't make sense

[Anonymous No.17713161]

>>17712951
>rendezvous with rama
What's the deal with the sequels for that?

[Anonymous No.17713169]

do initials help you as an author? it seems a meme to include initials, so i was wondering if it actually boosts sales or credibility or something. i literally was not given a middle name so i can't really do initials.

[Anonymous No.17713199]

>>17709735
whats with this niggas outfit

[Anonymous No.17713201]

>>17713161
There was a steep drop in quality, likely because the subject that gave the book life was fully explored in the first book. Same with the forever war, I wouldn't bother with them.

[Anonymous No.17713200]

Is this good?

[Anonymous No.17713211]

>>17713200
is abercrombie good in general?

[Anonymous No.17713218]

>>17713211
no

[Anonymous No.17713238]

>>17713218
why

[Anonymous No.17713267]

>>17713238
just look at the fucker

[Anonymous No.17713282]

>>17713238
His characters are pretty flat. He puts more emphasis on subverting your expectations than on writing anything interesting. His grimdark isn’t even grim or dark, just people being shitty to each other.

Also just anachronistic and lazy writing at times.

[Anonymous No.17713286]

>>17713267
Looks like he likes making people seethe

[Anonymous No.17713356]

>>17713282
also has a thing for generic strong female characters which is, as always, a disappointment.

[Anonymous No.17713394]

>>17713356
Is there an author who writes non-generic, interesting strong female characters?

[Anonymous No.17713410]

>>17713394
no because those cannot exist.

[Anonymous No.17713414]

>>17713394
tolkien

[Anonymous No.17713426]

>>17713169
you can make up a fake author name you retard
the initials thing is down to the publisher really, like they obviously included the RR in Martin to remind you of Tolkien

[Anonymous No.17713458]

>>17713410
Well, that tells me everything I need to know about your opinion

[Anonymous No.17713471]

>>17713414
iirc the female characters in lotr are all effectively set dressing, not really a shining example.

>>17713458
that it is correct, yes.

[Anonymous No.17713489]

>>17713394
This is probably a terrible opinion, but Jordan in Wheel of Time wrote a few strong interesting female characters, he just ruined it by making all the rest of womankind terrible and stupid.

[Anonymous No.17713504]

>>17713200
Worse than the other books by a good deal.

[Anonymous No.17713589]

>>17713489
>making all the rest of womankind terrible and stupid.
WTF? BASED PICKED UP THE SERIES JUST LIKE THAT

[Anonymous No.17713736]

>>17713589
wheel of time is highly overrated and way too long as a series

[Anonymous No.17713832]

>>17713736
I was memeing, but you are wrong regardless.
It's one of the best epic fantasy series ever written.

[Anonymous No.17713937]

>>17708420
You doubt Rome had fags? There's no way anyone is this stupid.

[Anonymous No.17713942]

I managed to score the 1st edition of Warrior-Prophet for $10 at my local used book store. Meanwhile every hardcover of any printing is $85+

[Anonymous No.17713981]

>>17707255

[Anonymous No.17714046]

>>17713414
Are you referring to Eowyn?

[Anonymous No.17714141]

>>17712114
>Do you think Will Wight will make Cradle into a love triangle?
From what I can tell Will Wight is too much of a normalfag to go for the threesome route even though he at least mentioned polygamy being a normal thing for emperors and made it pretty clear that Mercy's mom is not a strict believer in monogamy.

I absolutely can't see Mercy starting a love triangle drama, though, and I certainly don't want another character being introduced just to take her out of the romantic picture. Maybe she could just have Yerin lend Lindon to her to produce an heir at some point.

[Anonymous No.17714216]

>>17713169
Depends on what you're going for, and many authors have multiple pen names to use on different books. Initials make you seem smarter, so if you're writing sci-fi or highfalutin fantasy, yes add initials. But if you're writing something more middle road or lowbrow, if makes you seem pretentious.

[Anonymous No.17714221]

>>17711022
>The Curse of Chalion is what you're looking for.
>female author
>queer characters in medieval fantasy
Yeah, not going to bother with this shit.

[Anonymous No.17714226]

>>17711868
>Apparently can never be sure what they're gonna just randomly decide some other niche gets the axe
To be fair, that goes for about 90 percent of platforms period these days.

[Anonymous No.17714310]

>>17714221
You actually think there weren't gays back in medieval days or something?

[Anonymous No.17714334]

>>17714310
No, but I wish I could read fantasy stories where they explicitly don't instead.

[Anonymous No.17714425]

>reading Warrior Prophet
>book turns into endless suffering
>Achamian getting captured and tortured
>Xinemus being even worse off
>Esmi falling for Kellhus
>the desert chapter
>seems like shit can't get much worse
>the doll frees Achamian
fuuuuuck yes bros

[Anonymous No.17714457]

>>17714425
The rampage after is one of my favourite parts of the series

[Anonymous No.17714796]

>>17714425
>>17714457
>Vengeance roamed the halls of the compound—like a God.
Any other books for this feel?
Imagine being from any of the other schools of sorcery and getting so utterly mogged by the Mandate.
Irsûlorbros...

[Anonymous No.17715019]

>>17711137
It begins at the first page of the shadow.

[Anonymous No.17715281]

>>17714425
I am at exactly the same point.

>YOU ARE OVERMATCHED, IYOKUS

[Anonymous No.17715292]

>>17714796
the Gnosis is so ridiculously fucking cool

[Anonymous No.17715373]

>when Kellhus uses magic in combat for the first time

[Anonymous No.17715427]

I don't get paradoxes

[Anonymous No.17715433]

>>17715427
when you fuck urmom and your brothrer calls u dady

[Anonymous No.17715461]

>>17715427
Same. Is that good or bad?

[Anonymous No.17715462]

>>17715427
That's fine, it means you have no soul.

[Anonymous No.17715474]

>>17715427
they literally don't exist, that's what makes them a paradox. not understanding them is natural. people who say they understand them are saying they understand the language and its construction, but they don't understand them.

[Anonymous No.17715517]

>>17715474
implying there is more to paradoxes than language and construction

[Anonymous No.17715532]

should i even bother with other authors

[Anonymous No.17715550]

Give it to me straight /sffg/, are Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse: Dune worth my time?

[Anonymous No.17715554]

>>17715474
>>17715517
a paradox is a linguistic construction

[Anonymous No.17715558]

>>17715550
No, the Dune books after the first one suck.

[Anonymous No.17715574]

>>17715427

[Anonymous No.17715576]

>>17715558
I enjoyed Children of Dune and God Emperor was ok.

[Anonymous No.17715599]

>>17715427
Is your coom black, by any chance?

[Anonymous No.17715617]

>>17715576
I felt like each was substantially weaker than the one before it, so I felt ultimately like I'd rather have stopped after the first.

[Anonymous No.17715662]

>>17715558
>>17715617

you have shit opinions low IQ subhuman

[Anonymous No.17715768]

Jesus Christ, Bakker

[Anonymous No.17715813]

>>17715768
People aren't memeing when they call him and his readers cucks.
Only those in denial or those who haven't read anything by him disagree.

[Anonymous No.17715828]

>>17715768
lol wait till you get to the cunny dragon

[Anonymous No.17715850]

>>17715813
>People aren't memeing when they call him and his readers cucks.
And? What do you know about cuckoldry apart from 4chan memes? Did you know that cucks are usually high IQ individuals from upper middle-class backgrounds, which I imagine is also the case for Bakker readers. It's literally a fetish too high IQ for you to comprehend and you're just seething because you cannot understand neither cuckoldry nor Bakker.

[Anonymous No.17715854]

>>17715850
based cuck

[Anonymous No.17715881]

>>17715850
>Tfw you are too low iq to understand the appeal of cuckoldry
I KNEEL!!!!

[Anonymous No.17715968]

>>17715828
Wracu are based

[Anonymous No.17715971]

*blacks out in an uncontrollable rage*
*wakes up later*
Why is there shit on my dick?

-Cnaiur urs Skiötha, breaker of horses, most violent of memes

[Anonymous No.17715986]

Your track leads to me, Anon.
And ends with me.

[Anonymous No.17716059]

>“A rider,” Rand said breathlessly, pulling himself upright. “A stranger, following us.”

>“Where?” The older man lifted his broad-bladed spear and peered back warily.

>"There, down the....” Rand’s words trailed off as he turned to point. The road behind was empty. Disbelieving, he stared into the forest on both sides of the road. Bare-branched trees offered no hiding place, but there was not a glimmer of horse or horseman. He met his father’s questioning gaze. “He was there. A man in a black cloak, on a black horse.”

I thought you guys were joking this is literally shitty lord of the rings beat by beat for fucks sake...

[Anonymous No.17716179]

>>17716059
It grows into it's own! LotR never turned into that much of a slog.

[Anonymous No.17716400]

>>17706486
Heroes Die

[Anonymous No.17716406]

>>17706486
The blade itself, don't listen to the retards telling you not to read it it's pure violence kino.

[Anonymous No.17716478]

>>17708005
Silver Fox And The Western Hero was okayish apart from the litrpg elements.

[Anonymous No.17716512]

Horror fantasy?

[Anonymous No.17716526]

>>17716512
Yes

[Anonymous No.17716539]

>>17716512
bakker

[Anonymous No.17716561]

>>17713200
Extremely boring despite not being that long.

[Anonymous No.17716574]

>>17713942
Books are generally free thanks to the Internet.

[Anonymous No.17716602]

>>17715558
As a child I extremely enjoyed how epic and invincible the main character became at the end of Children of Dune.

[Anonymous No.17716611]

>>17713211
yes, don't listen to retards

[Anonymous No.17716623]

>>17716574
You wouldn't download a book.

[Anonymous No.17716953]

>>17716602
based

[Anonymous No.17717097]

>>17713471
Eowyn and Galadriel are both really well written. There aren't many female characters in LOTR, but they're all interesting.

[Anonymous No.17717142]

>>17714334
rf

[Anonymous No.17717219]

>>17706312
>>17706494
>>17707029
>>17708349
>>17715768
>>17715850
>>17716539
I will never read Bakker.

[Anonymous No.17717225]

>>17717219
i'm not asking you to mate

[Anonymous No.17717275]

Ayyy, it was actually good. Just like the anon who recommended it promised it would be. Thanks, man.

Abercrombie can still be an edgelord at times. But he did manage to make it enjoyable for the most part. I was actually praying for the poisoner to succeed, despite him being a completely despicable person. I just wanted to see if he could do it. And that's how it is for most of the book. These people are all bastards, but you want to see them win in their own ways. And everyone had really satisfying endings.

I'm feeling pretty good about abercrombie again. So I'm thinking of diving into the next book. Heroes.

[Anonymous No.17717283]

>>17707560
It's not bad. Not great. It's somewhere in the middle. I enjoyed it. It's honestly better than a lot of recommendations you'll get here.

[Anonymous No.17717387]

>>17698240
The first one was extremely average and okay. I'll probably read the second one eventually, but I won't pay full hardcover price for it.

[Anonymous No.17717477]

>>17715019
Him lying about his perfect memory? Yes I noticed it, but is there any big subtle reveal yet? Nothing seems much too incoherent yet.

[Anonymous No.17717509]

>>17704987
From Vance and Asimov to anime and harem.
oh /sffg/ how you've fallen.

[Anonymous No.17717605]

>>17708841
Didn’t enjoy, just found it hilarious that /lit/ writers think they’re going to be the next great author.

https://0bin.net/paste/PJ4rS+Ga#Hkyv8jUtZZxY0B2KXyB3TmI9S7mrjoT+mnVTY-MQONq

[Anonymous No.17717615]

i liked Enders Game

[Anonymous No.17717754]

>>17707560
Book is vomit, waste of space. How it even sold any copies is beyond me, hollywood filth in book form.

[Anonymous No.17717761]

>>17717275
Book had potential then went to shit. Waste of fucking time and total garbage read.

[Anonymous No.17717868]

>>17711210
I think any book where the narrator is talking directly at you can become a based audiobook.
The blood meridian audiobook is mega based (or one of them is, anyway).

[Anonymous No.17717872]

>>17706689
>barsoom reader
then you'll like Vance's tschai, planet of adventure, series

[Anonymous No.17717880]

>>17707255
If you open calling them turkeys, just call them turkeys.

[Anonymous No.17717896]

>>17707620
Do you believe that there is not enough good in the blood of christ to save a thousand worlds over, if it were for those worlds that he died?
Do you truly believe that anything you do can violate the sanctity of divine election, that anything you do can tarnish the blood of Christ?

[Anonymous No.17717936]

>>17717872
I recently read Planet of Adventure, it was excellent
wonderful pacing, moving from setting to setting, always keeping it going interesting
what I was surprised by was the humor, book was so fucking funny, not in the telling jokes way, but man, it kept me chuckling

I assume this is a book that isn't for everyone(?), still, I would recommend it to anyone, you should be able to tell quickly if it hit your spots or not

[Anonymous No.17717947]

>>17707560
This book was just good enough to rope me along to finish the series, but it left me feeling awful about myself not just putting it down earlier

[Anonymous No.17718243]

>>17717936
Yeah, it's in my top ten for sure.
I really like all of Lem's books about Tichy. The Futurological Congress is a genuine masterwork.

[Anonymous No.17718599]

Any good web novels to recommend?
The Chart that exists is quite "outdated" with all the stuff that came out last year.

[Anonymous No.17718617]

>>17718599
worm, cringe fanbase tho it's not that good

[Anonymous No.17718674]

>>17706486
Postmodern Adventures of Kill Team One
If only ever read the first one, Rated R, because they are published by Amazon and often aren't available as print, but that it was pretty much exactly what you are looking for. Maybe except the fact that they are in a contemporary setting, basically a big homage to/parody of various action and slasher tropes.

[Anonymous No.17718763]

I'm going through WOT again, and only shit this guy needs an editor. Also this guy must have been bullied by women all his

[Anonymous No.17718848]

>>17717761
you are in a need of dilation

[Anonymous No.17718849]

>>17718763
>again

[Anonymous No.17718853]

>>17718848
abercrombie is reddit tho

[Anonymous No.17718863]

>>17717275
every single character in this book is just copied from the first law. Abercrombie seems to think making the characters total edgelords makes them deep.

[Anonymous No.17718868]

>>17718853
Tolkien is reddit too every single author mentioned in this thread is reddit except Zelazny. Keep coping.

[Anonymous No.17718881]

Is Endymion really that bad or will I enjoy it if I liked the first hyperion book? I was not particulary fond of the ending of the second hyperion book but I do like the world itself.

[Anonymous No.17718908]

>>17718849
I read it 15 years ago and I wanted some audio book while biking

[Anonymous No.17718913]

>>17718881
I guess you can try but I was massively disappointed and dropped it quite fast

[Anonymous No.17718915]

>>17718881
edymion master of magic

[Anonymous No.17718917]

>>17718908
Thats dangerous anon. You have to listen to the traffic while biking.

[Anonymous No.17718922]

>>17718917
Indoor biking fren, the most boring thing in the world

[Anonymous No.17719032]

>>17717896
My imaginary friend is better than yours.

[Anonymous No.17719065]

>>17717936
How did you feel about the ending? After four books the lack of denouement killed me. I really just wanted one moment in which Adam and co. reflect on their journey and pat each other on the back. But no, they get on the ship and that's it

[Anonymous No.17719092]

>>17718922
Which bike do you have?

[Anonymous No.17719094]

>>17718922
>Indoor biking
Why would you do that to yourself?

[Anonymous No.17719755]

>>17717275
The Heroes is far better.

[Anonymous No.17719768]

>>17717275
I liked the first trilogy but was meh on this one. this one was just too one dimensional and predictable

>>17719755
I put it on indefinite hold a while ago. the entire northman faction is just boring I couldn't get into it

[Anonymous No.17719787]

Why does it seem like most everything that has come out recently fall into shitty YA with childish writing or some edge lord shit making things graphic for the sake of being graphic?
I want adult fantasy without the need to go on torture porn, but even if it calls itself adult fiction it seems just like YA with some sex scenes if it isn't targeted to edglords.
Maybe i've been reading shitty book dunno.

[Anonymous No.17719821]

>>17719787
>Maybe i've been reading shitty book dunno
That’s the state of literature now. Traditional publishing is a dying industry with self-publishing taking its place.

[Anonymous No.17719835]

>>17719821
Self publishing is 10x shittier>>17719821

[Anonymous No.17719860]

>>17719835
Only in your mind.

[Anonymous No.17719961]

>>17719835
At least you still get some original shit in self publishing, the fact there is more shitty books is simply because it has more books in general.
The only thing it's lacking is a proper way to separate the shit form the ok and good stuff. Which was supposed to be what traditional publishing was for but alas they failed that expetacurlarly.

[Anonymous No.17719982]

>>17719032
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.17719984]

>>17719961
>traditional publishing was for but alas they failed that expetacurlarly.
No, they realize that shit sells well.

[Anonymous No.17720009]

>>17719835
Get with the times old man.

[Anonymous No.17720013]

>>17719984
I really doubt that is the case. It's certainly cheaper to publish trash, and might more lucrative because trash authors aren't as protective of their IPs as they probably should, but that doesn't mean bad writing sell better than good writing. And I know this has been pointed several times but there is reason LoTR and GoT sell like hotcakes decades after they were first published while their inferior copy cats don't.
People don't want to read shitty writing if they can get better.

[Anonymous No.17720023]

>>17720013
>LoTR and GoT
Those two are often shat on by professionals though?

[Anonymous No.17720024]

>>17720009
No.

[Anonymous No.17720051]

>>17720023
>Those two are often shat on by professionals though?
Professionals what?
Writers? Tolkien might not have been a "professional writer" but trying to argue his prose sentences structure and world development isn't superb is ridiculous. And, as much shit as Martin gets, his writing is also some of the best currently available.
Just because terry goodkind types(who can't write worth a damn) shit on acclaimed works doesn't make them any less acclaimed.

The point is that , even if peopel here like to be contrarians, if your work is good peopel are more likely to like it all thing being equal. If your work is superb peopel will flock to it no matter what... if they get a chance to read it.
The fact traditionally published books are getting worse and worse is not just due to the authors, but the publishing houses themselves for not getting better authors and editors in the first place. The fact I could easily find grammar and punctuation mistakes "properly published book" is a shame to the industry when (SOME) self publishers do a lot better whit something as basic as that.

[Anonymous No.17720463]

>>17719787
Because the new wave of authors getting published are the same people who hit their twenties and still analyze the entire world through the media they consumed as children. The Harry Potter posting tumblerette or that girl who was way into Avatar are now here and turning their gay shipping fanfics into novels. Anyone else is trying to ape George or Abercrombie (who is himself the poor man's Martin) for the clout of being mature while only having a juvenile understanding of what the term actually means. Welcome to 2020+, it's only going to get worse.

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>>17719092
Giant defy 1 (2016)
>>17719094
Because doing cardio everyday is good for you and I don't enjoy biking or running in the rain.

[Anonymous No.17721430]

>>17708479
>Prizes have no meaning at all these days.
You're retarded. They might not mean the work is good, but prizes unlock more book deals, film rights, and speaking engagements -- all can make the author rich and give them more incentive to write more shit.

[Anonymous No.17721487]

>>17721430
>You're retarded.
You have np ability to follow a conversation, I think you might be almost illiterate.
Within the context of what is being discussed, which is the low quality of book, specifically those done by black writers currently, Prizes have no meaning in pointing you to a good book.

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New bread
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