I am working my way through manifestos of various political ideologies

[Anonymous No.17687064]

White nationalists - would you say that pic related is a fair representation of your beliefs? If not, what literature would you suggest instead?

[Anonymous No.17687074]

>>17687064
It really depends on the person. I highly recommend Alain de Benoist's manifesto of the French New Right though.

[Anonymous No.17687078]

[Anonymous No.17687082]

>>17687074
>>17687064
Faye's Why We Fight is also very good.

[Anonymous No.17687120]

>>17687082
Faye is a bit too extreme for me. I don't want a bloody reconquest of Europe. I would prefer to try our best to preserve what we still have and gradually regain what has been lost peacefully. Btw how do you pronounce Faye's name? I've heard it like eye, like ayy, and like ah (as in apple).

[Anonymous No.17687151]

I don't really consider myself a "white nationalist" but I agree with most of what I've read from Johnson about the basic right of peoples, including European peoples who identify as white, to self-determination and sovereignty. I think Johnson is in the Jared Taylor school of not cluttering your ideology with unnecessary bad associations like neo-Nazi skinhead retards, or letting your movement be split by factional infighting. He's clearly trying to create a platform that will actually work and draw in diverse people with a common goal, over time. Although he's also more flirtatious with New Right figures like Benoist, and a variety of ideological positions from libertarian ethno-separatism to unironic old school fascism. Or he's at least willing to give them a platform and melting pot. Oh, and he's completely open about the "JQ."

So he's probably a good middle of the road representative of the radical right, not least because he's actively trying to create a forum for it so that it can be more cohesive. He's neither super Nazi nor aggressively anti-fascist. He's clearly more of a Heideggerian ethnonationalist than a race-fixated white nationalist. I think even Jared Taylor is pretty open about believing in IQ differences and such, but I rarely or never see Johnson talk about IQ. Maybe I'm wrong there.

He's also understated about it, again because he doesn't want to alienate people. He's not a discord LARPer shouting nazi slogans because it gives him some pointless catharsis.

>If not, what literature would you suggest instead?
I would suggest treating "white nationalists" and "alt right" and "new right" as vague terms for people who for one reason or another desire something like an ethnostate for peoples of European heritage. Or multiple ethnostates for each European people. Again this position ranges from minimal anti-immigrationism to openly declaring that the Nazis were fighting against an international conspiracy of bankers and capitalists, often Jewish, to infiltrate countries through their economies and dilute their ability to resist further international manipulations. There are libertarian white nationalists, there are National Bolshevists, there are occultists who think that demons are trying to mix the races and transform humanity into a cybernetic slave race, there are redneck racists who don't have an ideology, etc. Trying to sum all that up is impossible.

>>17687074
Seconding this, Benoist is alright. I also recommend reading about Pat Buchanan and paleo-conservatism and then tracing the careers of Joe Sobran, Mel Bradford, and above all Samuel Francis. Francis' transit from "paleo-con" to white nationalist anti-globalist strategist, with a core thesis about international technocracy that originally comes from Marxism, is pretty telling for the history of the radical right. Also look into Samuel Huntington's later work.

[Anonymous No.17687187]

>>17687151
>I think Johnson is in the Jared Taylor school of not cluttering your ideology with unnecessary bad associations like neo-Nazi skinhead retards
Johnson created the Savitri Devi archive and has said that white nationalism is inescapably anti-semitic. He's an intelligent guy but he's not on the same level of palatability as Jared. Is it true that he's gay? If it is, that's too bad. I don't have anything against gays who act normal but as an intelligent, healthy man of old American stock, he's the sort of person I would want to see have a huge family.

[Anonymous No.17687214]

>>17687120
It is pronounced like Ayy lmao.
I see Faye as predicting and not sanctioning the "Convergence of Catastrophes".
You may have no choice as the political will is not there for us to legislate a homogeneous society.
Combine immigration with climate, economic, and religious issues and you may only have the "century of steel" he predicts.

[Anonymous No.17687224]

Yeah it's pretty good even though Greg Johnson can be kind of a faggot sometimes. This is another short one that's worth checking out. He calls it fascism but he's really advocating for a type of distributism or a neo-southern agrarianism. It's certainly where my politics have gone this past few years and I'm noticing a lot more people on the right leaning that way and completely rejecting the liberalism of the Republican party.

[Anonymous No.17687238]

White nationalism makes no sense to me. The concept of whiteness as an ethno-political identity seems to come from America and its need to differentiate the multi-ethnic European residents from the natives and Africans. Rather than going by “German”, “Irish”, “Italian”, “English”, and so on, they coalesced into a single “white identity”. But this does not hold true for Europe, which is a continent that through its history was fraught with constant warfare and ethnic opposition. People in Europe do not think of themselves as merely white but as French, Polish, Russian, Irish, German, Italian.... Even the Nazis, from whom white nationalists draw much influence, did not have an idea of whiteness, but rather held that Germanic people were superior to everyone else, and white races like Slavs, Balts, and Estonians were subhuman. I really don’t see what relevance white nationalism has outside of America.

[Anonymous No.17687241]

>>17687120
>>17687214
just realised I never once hear Ayy lmao ssaid out loud so his name is pronounced like fry or try.

[Anonymous No.17687242]

White nationalism is pure and total cringe, and the retards it attracts tells me everything I need to know about it

[Anonymous No.17687244]

>>17687214
I think you're probably right. I don't want there to be some sort of violent expulsion but that's how diversity turns out. There's already an energized ethnonationalist movement rising in Europe among the youth. You can't put it back in the box. I fear that the delusional idealists and puppets of capitalists who call for more immigration are just leading lambs to the slaughter. It never had to be like this. Maybe it's even still possible to avoid it...but if Europe catches fire that blood is on the hands of those who opened the floodgates.

[Anonymous No.17687254]

>>17687187
Yeah that's fair. I wasn't trying to say he's exactly like Taylor, just that I think he takes a page from Taylor's book in not burning bridges. Although I have heard people say that he does, but that's within the bitchy infighting that constantly goes on within these faggoty movements so who even knows. Richard Spencer seems like a fruitcake no matter how you slice it though.

I believe he's gay yeah, I've seen some stormfront boomer emigres bitching about it on here. It is a shame he can't have a huge family I agree. But I don't give a shit about his being gay either, personally. It's weird, I wonder what ideology will actually emerge from all this alt right quasi-conservatism quasi-nazism stuff, if one ever does. I'm very liberal, I like a lot of libertarian and paleocon talking points, but I'm also convinced by much of the Bolton and Francis stuff, but then if you did into Bolton's past it's not exactly reassuring. What kind of synthesis possibly arises from that?

Of course, a neoliberal would respond "exactly, no synthesis is possible, now come help me put this dildo in my ass for my senior thesis project."

[Anonymous No.17687259]

>>17687224
Can you give a quick rundown? I'm having a really hard time imagining how to reconcile anarchism and fascism. It's hard to think of two more different ideologies.

[Anonymous No.17687281]

>>17687244
Checked.
This is essentially Faye's pov too.
Only he feels there is not turning it around.
There is only Eurosiberia to aim for as a phoenix from the ashes.
I think it won't happen.
We will be torn to shreds in our homelands and have a post-Roman Empire situation to deal with.

[Anonymous No.17687292]

>>17687259
Not him, nor have I read that book, but Fascism was pretty pro-agrarian.
You could easily have a central authority that administered a society made largely of satellite villages.

[Anonymous No.17687303]

>>17687238
White Nationalism is literally just "White American Nationalism", as you point out. The problem is that White Americans have a hard time separating themselves from the United States Federal Government, which gets you into problems of "American Nationalism" which is literally just "Zionism".

So yes, you're absolutely correct that the terminology is shit because "Whiteness" only has any meaning in the context of the Anglo world's interaction with Blacks and Indians and Injuns, and cannot be compared to the experiences of other Europeans. The problem is that the Anglo has relatively little ability to conceptualize this without undoing all the work done since 1066 to justify Norman rule (by rejecting ethnic affiliation entirely). This leads to this bizarre idea of a "white race" as anything more than "The descendants of the Indo-Europeans who bred with the Anatolian Farmers and Neolithic Hunter Gatherers already present in Europe at the time". Which itself is a problem, as the European experience is characterized by a bunch of clearly different peoples all interacting with each other and seeing similarities, and then looking out and seeing Semites and Negroes with whom they have NOTHING in common.

This means that Euros have the opposite problem, being unable to conceptualize "Italians and Germans are different but closer to each other than either are to Negroes"; the difference between the two has to be the same as the difference between either and Negroes, meaning either there's an insurmountable gap between Italians and Germans (obviously false) or Italians and Germans and Negroes are all the same (obviously false).

Turns out, 1,500 years of following a religion based around uniting all of mankind as one race, religion, creed, culture, and language makes you ill equipped to deal with the reality of race.

[Anonymous No.17687306]

>>17687238
There are two main kinds of White nationalism. One is a pan-European nationalism attempting to unite all peoples descended from Europe across the planet or at least establish a state that will act as a homeland for any member of the White race and the other is specifically for American Whites and would just be called American ethnonationalism if Americans still understood that they are an ethnic group. The Europeans who came to the US gradually merged together and created a new people. Everyone understood this up until the mid-20th century when you started seeing mass propaganda promoting the idea that we are a nation of immigrants and nobody is a true American. Native American used to refer to what we would now call old stock or Anglo-American. You even see this in Moby Dick. Now that term refers to the people that the Native Americans conquered and ethnically cleansed, which I would find insulting if I were them. Because Americans have forgotten who they are, they tend to latch on to a broader racial identity or at least describe themselves as simply White instead of seeing themselves as belonging to the real American ethnic group. I hope someday we will see a national reawakening for Americans. Even if they don't know they are a people, the people still exist. As long as they exist, there is hope.

[Anonymous No.17687308]

>>17687064
only stupid fucking trannies and commies revolve their life around manifestos.

[Anonymous No.17687309]

>>17687238
I disagree, actually. The dual mechanisms of mass immigration coupled with (ironically) the EU, has made Europeans see themselves as white, distinct from Arabs, Persians, Africans and so on. You are correct that this used to not be the case, and your analysis of Hitler is also spot on.

But time has moved on since the second world war. American and British media has had a huge influence on Europe and the way Europeans see themselves. The Schengen zone and free movement of labour means that most Europeans know plenty of Europeans from other countries, and it is very clear to them, that they have a lot more in common with another Western European, or even a white American, than they do with an Arab or African migrant from their own country.

Ethnic and national lines in Europe are vanishing, and they are leaving a distinct white identity behind.

[Anonymous No.17687316]

>>17687259
Like I said it's like a type of distributism. The general idea is that production should be for the purpose of consumption rather than for the market exchange, and to facilitate this you want the means of production to be in as many hands as possible. The ideal is that everyone has their own homestead and produces as much of their own goods as possible. Now of course there's a lot of potential problems with this but working through them is part of the fun. The actual distributists were much more practical about these things than people give them credit for.

[Anonymous No.17687322]

>>17687238
>But this does not hold true for Europe
It didn't until Leftists started forcing open the borders of europe and calling for purges against European people, replacement level immigration, and continuing the blatant assault on white people. Things could have been fine I think after WW2 if the Leftists too had been defeated. Sadly that didn't happen, I think we need a Third world War to kill the ideologues but i don't think it will happen.

[Anonymous No.17687343]

>>17687259
That's because you don't know anything about Fascism beyond Hollywood action movie memes. Every single Fascist was born in the trenches of WW1 from friendships formed there and for a desire to have mastery over ones destiny.The parallel's exist with Anarchists. It's not a coincidence that the most hated foe of Anarchists and Fascists are Communists.

[Anonymous No.17687385]

>>17687259
Read Griffin's Modernism and Fascism and all will be revealed.

[Anonymous No.17687388]

>>17687292
>>17687316
Okay, I see. It sounds more like syndicalism or socialism to me than anarchism, which is typically associated with the abolition of unnatural hierarchies and doesn't state anything about the distribution and ownership of ressources (which is why it is typically coupled with an economic system, like communism or libertarianism). I think I get it now, it was just the name which confused me.

I would probably call it fashist syndicalism or fascist socialism (or national socialism, lol).

[Anonymous No.17687391]

>>17687322
>Things could have been fine I think after WW2 if the Leftists too had been defeated.
I agree that things could have been fine after WW2 but not that it required for leftists to be defeated. Leftists may have provided much of the philosophical justification for our displacement but the motivation behind mass immigration and anti-whiteness has been the rich desiring cheap labor (as well as endless consooming) and the government wanting third world allies in the cold war. You could get rid of leftists and still have some other justification for it, maybe a Christian universalist or libertarian free market justification. You're right that it never had to be this way though. When we defeated the Nazis, the USA was basically a Anglo-American ethnostate. We had the 1924 immigration act in place to restrict non-northern European immigration and restore the nordic character of the nation, segregation to keep whites and blacks separate, and eugenics to uplift the population. And yet you have leftists calling our soldiers in WW2 the original antifa. That's ridiculous. 90% of them said they would rather lose the war than give equal rights to blacks. We should have just helped the blacks return to Africa and kept our immigration system the way it was.

[Anonymous No.17687406]

>>17687391
>We should have just helped the blacks return to Africa and kept our immigration system the way it was.
Yep.

[Anonymous No.17687431]

>>17687388
That is definitely the most interesting form of fascism. Check out Bramwell's book, Hitler's Green Party. It's a scholarly book, not a work of propaganda. Also look into these four articles:
https://counter-currents.com/tag/breaking-the-bondage-of-interest/
for an overview of socialist-oriented nationalism.

Peronism is also very interesting.
https://counter-currents.com/2014/12/kerry-boltons-peron-and-peronism/

Leviathan and its Enemies by Francis is another thing worth looking into, if you want something more contemporary.

Fundamentally, fascism is a way of recognising a primal community worth saving, and trying to save it from something concrete that is trying to destroy it. The French Cercle Proudhon was "national syndicalist," Sorel was proto-fascist, Mussolini was originally a leftist, many of the fascists and volkisch thinkers in Germany were admirers of the Bolshevik creation of a "new man" and a new elan vital to save their nation, even if they disagreed with aspects of it or ended up not liking totalitarian Stalinism. Most of those early fascists also ended up not liking National Socialism for the same reasons, it betrayed its original promise of a volkisch revolution and became a totalitarian state apparatus instead. The question is whether this could have been avoided when the entire world is trying to crush you for refusing to be a part of its exploitative banking system.

Above all, the more you learn about how Anglo-American (largely Jewish) finance worked prior to WW1 and especially WW2, you will start to think, what other options did these people have? Did they have time for utopian daydreams? They could be crushed and absorbed into basically proto-neoliberalism, proto-EU post-nationalism, as satellites of Anglo-American consumerism, or they could fight back.

Lowercase national socialism is right. The only real socialisms have been national. The only real nationalisms have been social. Fascism is a modernism, not a mere reactionary authoritarian movement.

[Anonymous No.17687457]

>>17687391
This. The capitalists' greatest move was repurposing naive leftism, especially bourgeois "soft" leftism, into a utopian universalism that blinded the average person to how his nation was being fucked in the ass. Hiding the immigration of scab labour behind a "leftist" front was the most amazing fucking scam ever pulled off by evil people. Leftists, once the terror of the entrenched financial powers, currently vote for the depression of their own labour organising ability.

And if you try to deprogram this or educate them about it, they experience such painful cognitive dissonance that they would rather team up with Pepsi and Walmart to destroy you instead.

For the record, I am a "national socialist" but I am anti-capitalism, non-supremacist (all peoples deserve freedom, all peoples are important), and even pro-reparations. I agree with the left on many things. But they are currently the tools of the state.

[Anonymous No.17687460]

>>17687309
The far right in Europe is working in the opposite direction to this though. They are becoming increasingly skeptical of the EU and pan-Europeanism as we saw with Brexit. Right now the spectre of Russia is haunting Europe, providing a pretext for unification against a common enemy, but the general trend is away from pan-Europeanism and towards nationalism. Wouldn’t be surprised if Europe goes back to its usual state of feuding and ethnic hatred towards each other. Sucks for my nation which is small and wedged between massive powers but what can you do.

[Anonymous No.17687472]

>>17687388
Holy checked.
Well the Falangists called themselves Syndicalist and Fascism is 3rd Position.
So it possible to adopt some of this.

[Anonymous No.17687525]

>>17687431
Thanls, it is a very nice rundown. I appreciate you taking the time to write it down.

>Fascism is a modernism, not a mere reactionary authoritarian movement.
Yes, anyone who thinks fascism is reactionary really has no understanding of it at all.

>>17687460
Yes, you are right. I agree on everything you are saying, but what I am talking about is not so much the EU as an institution, but rather the fact that due to the institutions of the EU, ethnic and national lines have become much less important in Europe, which is also coupled with the homogenisation of culture due to the spread of Anglo mass media. This leads to Europeans seeing themselves as white, as opposed to brown or black immigrants.

> Sucks for my nation which is small and wedged between massive powers but what can you do.
Do what small nations have always done: Team up with a major power in a strong alliance, such that you cannot be invaded.

>>17687457
Modern leftism has been completely neutered as a thread towards capitalism or the bourgeoisie/elites. It's absolutely amazing how they have been played like a fiddle.

[Anonymous No.17687553]

>>17687064
>White Nationalism
One of the more retarded political conceptions anyone has ever come up with. It is not in any way a feasible Schelling point, the group of Whites who might like WN are more natural allies with eg. edgy Mexicans than they are with a big block of other Whites, not to mention the entire idea of White people starts to break down when you have to think about Russians and whatever.

I fully support pretending to be a White Nationalist to offend people of course but don't take it seriously

[Anonymous No.17687562]

>>17687457
I'm only pro-reparations if it means they are getting their own country or emmigrating to Africa but other than that I agree with you.

[Anonymous No.17687573]

>>17687553
White nationalism worked well for almost the entire history of the United States.

[Anonymous No.17687594]

>>17687573
That wasn't White Nationalism, that was Anglo supremacy, which actually was a feasible Schelling Point, though I will note it still led to a civil war. Germans and Swedes get to pretend to be sort of wasps if they play along, Jews, Poles, Italians, Irish never really managed it, by the time they all flooded in the US was already starting to fall apart into an incoherent empire.

[Anonymous No.17687595]

Like other extreme ideologies, white nationalism is a pipe dream at this point. I don't see how you go from our current societal discourse to something that treats all races equally, much less one that a White nationalist would want. Unless there is a "White Civil Rights" movement brewing (and let's face it, no serious one is), this whole thing is a fantasy.

[Anonymous No.17687604]

>>17687595
Every political movement in history started out as a fantasy.

[Anonymous No.17687629]

>>17687553
>muh slavs
Rarely throughout history has the concept of what is European been muddied by Europeans themselves. There are regional conflicts (anglos dabbing on irish for muh empire) but there has been little actual pseudo-science about other Europeans' ethnic or genetic validity throughout most of Europe's existence.

[Anonymous No.17687638]

>>17687604
Okay, on one hand you are right, but on the other, this is "Let's have a Habsburg king in America"-tier. Pretty much half of the White populace in America regularly votes for politicians which openly state they plan on making Whites a minority. You will have to forgive me for thinking White Nationalism will remain a fantasy.

[Anonymous No.17687654]

>>17687594
Many of the late immigrants would have assimilated if we kept our immigration policy. In fact, we've even seen that many of them did assimilate because you have Irish and Italian Americans who identify as White (American) instead of just Irish or Italian. I agree that fewer non-nordics should have been allowed to enter the US but things would have balanced out eventually.

>>17687595
More extreme changes have taken place. Think about how different today is from 75 years ago. It's possible to return to something like that, or at least something resembling it, especially if we Balkanize. Think about the Christianization of the Roman Empire. If you told a Roman in the 200s that paganism would end up being superseded by Christianity, they would have laughed at you.

[Anonymous No.17687671]

>>17687573
>french settlers treated like shit by anglos
>irish and italians are second class citizen
>100y later tide is turning
>muuuh white identity!!! ofc youre our allies, youre white!!!
anglos are pure filth

[Anonymous No.17687673]

>>17687638
You don't need a majority of the population on your side to accomplish anything. History is changed by small and committed elite groups. Those Whites will fall in line once the TV starts talking differently.

[Anonymous No.17687681]

>>17687638
The masses will do and believe whatever the ones who control information will tell them to do and believe. It's just a matter of capturing the means of information. If the left can take over the TV, internet, and academia, the right can too.

[Anonymous No.17687683]

>>17687654
Irish and Italians and Poles are obviously all seen as white now, my point was that they could never integrate into Anglo society, what happened is that Anglo society just basically disappeared/lost precedence. Even over in England to this day Poles don't integrate there really

[Anonymous No.17687688]

>>17687638
Not him but the political structure is not the same as a conscious awakening to a racial identity.
You can maintain federal republic (not the 50 states as they are right now) and still have Whites wake the fuck up to what is happening.
You can have Christianity without pagan larping.
You can have the same technology and culture (minus drag queen story hour) without going full innawoods.

>>17687654
>In fact, we've even seen that many of them did assimilate because you have Irish and Italian Americans who identify as White (American) instead of just Irish or Italian
Unfortunately much of this has happened thanks to being forged in a furnace of diversity and multiculturalism.

[Anonymous No.17687692]

>>17687629
Nazis thought Slavs were literally subhuman.

[Anonymous No.17687698]

>>17687671
>Austrians and Prussians fight wars against each other
>Germany is united and Catholics are treated like second class citizens
>50 years later tide is turning
>muuuh German identity!!! ofc youre our allies, youre German!!!
You can do this with any group, including the French and Italians. Yeah, we used to have some issues and maybe we still have some issues but we have bigger problems on our hands now.

[Anonymous No.17687701]

>>17687692
No they didn't lmao

[Anonymous No.17687716]

>>17687671
>>17687683
This is such a meme. There was very little inter-white hatred for most of history. "White now" is not the case at all. Most people saw all Europeans as white and even if there were cultural roadblocks, no serious Anglo-American would have welcomed a negro into his apartment block before an Italian.

>>17687692
Like I said, rare instances. The whole concept of the Aryan is esoteric and quasi-occult. Most of history Europeans saw other Euros as cousins and non-whites and basically from another planet.

[Anonymous No.17687732]

>>17687692
Not true. Also, the Soviets did much worse to the countries they conquered and "re"conquered in Europe than the Nazis did. Soviet war atrocities on the Eastern Front are Neo-Assyrian tier, some of the worst in history. They were constantly being told to murder civilians, and especially to rape women, young and old. They committed the largest mass rape in human history.

All on the basis of being told that the Nazis were subhuman conquerors. Which apparently didn't help them in disriminating Balts, Germans, Romanians, and fellow Slavs from one another. They just raped everything they could find. Only rare Nazis felt anything similar about the Slavs.

[Anonymous No.17687746]

>>17687701
Look up Generalplan Ost. Nazis wanted to colonise the Slavic and Baltic nations, deport or kill most of their populations, Germanise the portion of the population they deemed sufficiently “Nordic”, and leave the rest as serfs for the German overlords.

[Anonymous No.17687753]

>>17687716
If the Irish and Italians really weren't seen as White, they would not have been counted as such by the census. Look at census data from the 1800s. There has never been an Italian category. They were not seen as American but most people understood that they were White.There are a couple weird exceptions like Ben Franklin saying only English people are White but most people did not feel that way.

[Anonymous No.17687773]

>>17687716
Again I'm not saying they're not White or that there are no commonalities between White races, I'm saying the US paradigm of Anglo supremacy and Anglo cultural norms did not assimilate those European groups. That paradigm was already in a kind of awkward place after the slaves were freed, because there was a minority who was obviously never going to assimilate. It is also a reductive view of the ethnic differences of the South and the North to call them both merely Anglo, but there was at least a measure of cultural identity there.

[Anonymous No.17687784]

>>17687753
I know this is an old historical meme so you could just be repeating this without thinking but why do you believe that Italians and Irish weren't considered to be white? The conflict was a religious one. It was Protestants in American discriminating against Catholics.

[Anonymous No.17687792]

>>17687306
based

[Anonymous No.17687798]

>>17687629
Russia for its entire history has been seen as semi-Oriental, and rightly considered a basically distinct civilization

[Anonymous No.17687800]

>>17687784
You might be responding to the wrong person but read my message again. i said the Italians really were seen as White and to look at the census data to prove it.

[Anonymous No.17687814]

>>17687701
Are you a Jew or what.

[Anonymous No.17687824]

>>17687732
Slavs were supposed to murder or sent to Siberia, what are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.17687844]

>>17687732
Honestly I trust almost nothing that is said about WW2 apart from the very large-scale facts. You have propaganda running from each large power against each other one.

[Anonymous No.17687852]

>>17687844
>Honestly I trust almost nothing that is said about WW2 apart from the very large-scale facts. You have propaganda running from each large power against each other one.
I don't believe WWII actually happened. The Holocaust happened, but WWII did not.

[Anonymous No.17687861]

>>17687716
I don’t get the Nazi concept of Aryan because the Nazis hated Slavs and other Eastern Europeans who speak Aryan languages but at the same time they respected Finns who don’t even have an Indo-European language.

[Anonymous No.17687863]

>>17687753
Exactly my point, most whites saw them as such. There may have been some hostility for their Catholic status also.

>>17687773
That paradigm has never been as strong as people imagine though. Their was some Nordic/North Euro preference, but Italians were cousins to Nords, at worst. Non-whites may have well as been a different species. The Anglo supremacy meme is just that.

However, the point is moot, as I cannot fathom a white American sneering at another white man for not being a part of their particularly Waspy stock. Sure in some higher echelons of education or business, but that is now even more family orientated, not ethnicity bound. It is gone and whites see themselves as white, thanks a little bit to blacks seeing themselves as just black.

>>17687798
And like I have said in this thread. The closeness compared to actual orientals or Africans or what have you is striking. It is the comparison of second cousin to complete alien species. But even if this is the case, a non-Russian Euro identity movement would still have validity and especially in the Euro diaspora like in the US. That place desperately needs some solidarity.

[Anonymous No.17687865]

>>17687852
I think you're joking but just in case you're a sincere schizo, please elaborate.

[Anonymous No.17687881]

>>17687861
I dunno fren, it is hard to sift through the bullshit on this topic.
A lot of modern historians are compelled to make them comic book villain tier.
There still rages a debate about whether they would have conquered the whole world or just their concept of what was German clay.
People still fantasize about what kind of persecution would have happened to Anglos or what the religious situation would have been if they won.

[Anonymous No.17687884]

>>17687852
The Holocaust is a good example, my opinion on that event only extends to 'Nazis rounded up a lot of Jews and sent them to camps where many died'. For me this is close enough to genocide that the details about gas and showers and whatnot don't interest me, it's already indefensible

[Anonymous No.17687897]

>>17687865
I was trying to provoke an annoyed response from Holocaust deniers, don't mind me.

>>17687884
I do believe most things we hear about the Holocaust were unfortunately true. I know someone will reply with a screenshot of the Tom-and-Jerry suicide or the roller coaster, but I feel those things are unscrupulous people (being a Holocaust victim doesn't make you a saint) trying to grift by cashing in on the shock factor.

[Anonymous No.17687908]

>>17687824
>D. 17 October 1941, Hitler Monologue, Führer Headquarters, in Madajczyk, Generalny, pp. 69-70.

>“The [eastern] region must lose the character of the Asiatic steppe, it must be Europeanized! It is for this purpose that we are building great highways to the southern tip of the Crime and to the Caucasus. German cities established along these roadways will stretch like a string of pearls, and around these will be German settlements. The two or three million people we need [for this program] can be found quicker than we think. We will take them from Germany, the Scandinavian lands, Western Europe, and America. Chances are that I will not live to see this, but in twenty years twenty million people will inhabit this territory. In three hundred years we will have a blossoming parkland of extraordinary beauty!

>As for the people indigenous to the area, we will be sure to select those [of importance]. We will remove the destructive Jews entirely. … We will not enter Russian cities, they must die out completely.

>There is only one task: Germanization through the introduction of Germans [to the area] and to treat the original inhabitants like Indians. … I intend to stay this course with ice-cold determination. I feel myself to be the executor of the will of History. What people think of me at present is all of no consequence. Never have I heard a German who has bread to eat express concern that the ground where the grain was grown had to be conquered by the sword. We eat Canadian wheat and never think of the Indians.”

Apparently much of the sources on Hitler's actual plans come from Henry Picker's collection of Hitler's table talks in the bunker.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/Table_Talk/Picker.html
>Heinrich Haertle seems to have thought that Picker can be positioned more along the lines of what the late Mark Twain referred to as a provider of "stretchers" (third or fourth cousins of the truth) rather than the more creative and culpable outright liar of the Münchhausen or Rauschning or Speer species.
>Der "Protokollant", Henry Picker, hat sich ohne Auftrag und Genehmigung nur heimlich Notizen angefertigt und diese später zu subjektiven "Niederschriften" ausgebaut, bei denen niemand mehr wahrheitsgetreue Wiedergabe und formal und inhaltliche Veränderungen zu unterscheiden vermag. Offensichtlich wird dabei "mythisch" mit "mystisch" verwechselt.

Frankly as >>17687844 says I don't trust a goddamn thing anymore. WW2 has been absolutely buried under propaganda. I don't doubt the Nazis did some awful things and some of them were planned quite ahead of time. But the era has been so oversaturated it's like a saturday morning cartoon at this point.

[Anonymous No.17687921]

>>17687897
>being a Holocaust victim doesn't make you a saint
A lot of them are not even victims, many of those claimants have been proven to have been born post war.

[Anonymous No.17687926]

>>17687457
given that capitalists can just export their labour (to chink factories) they don't need immigration at all. it is socialist governments who need immigrants, the more hapless the better. this is how they grow the numbers in the (literally fake) GDP propaganda system which is built on (literally fake) fiat money printed by Jewish central banks, which leftists (from Marx to Lenin) have always supported anyway because it leads them to the "first" (read: only) stage of Jewish communist tyranny

[Anonymous No.17687932]

>>17687884
Most of the killings weren’t even in the camps, they were with the death squads called Einzatgruppen or something like that (don’t speak German).

[Anonymous No.17687938]

>>17687897
it is mathematically impossible for most things you hear about the holohoax to be true

[Anonymous No.17687942]

>>17687897
>I do believe most things we hear about the Holocaust were unfortunately true.
It would not surprise me if there were or weren't gas chambers either way, both versions of events are fully within what I find plausible, one requires that Germans autistically industrialized murder, the other that Anglos and Jews created propaganda against an enemy ideology after a terrible war, you cannot be familiar with these peoples and find any of those options surprising. The only reason I have any doubts is the criminalization of denial in several countries, but again, I think it's pretty much a moot point because even the least evil version of the story is still genocide.

[Anonymous No.17687985]

>>17687120
>I don't want a bloody reconquest of Europe.

Then you accept it being taken over.

[Anonymous No.17687986]

>>17687942
I agree with this, denying the Nazi holocaust is retarded anyway. It's just a red herring to distract dipshit stormfront guys into forming little holocaust denial study groups for 50 years. Why not focus on something useful like raising a family, improving your community, and getting involved in local politics instead?

Or you can carve the symbol of a short lived and long dead political regime into your forehead and spend all your time trying to convince your coworkers that "only" 600,000 people died in some group of camps, in a total global war where every side branded the other as subhuman. In a war where the supposed bad guys were the only ones conspicuously NOT experimenting with chem/bio warfare shit and piling up apocalyptically massive stockpiles of it.

WW2 sucked dick, what's new. Closing the border against Muslim rapists has nothing to do with whether Himmler was operating autonomously or not.

[Anonymous No.17687989]

>>17687942
Based and centristpilled.

In my opinion bullshit discussions on the holocaust and Jewish conspiracy theories are one of the main factors holding the white identity movement back. Normies don't really give a shit, and just tune out as soon as people start discussing gas chambers. We need to leave that be, and focus on current problems and the future.

[Anonymous No.17688062]

>>17687986
Antisemitism is pretty much central to the far-right movement. The policies you're describing of decreasing immigration are actually pretty moderate. The far-right don't want to simply decrease Muslim immigration and preserve the character of Europe; they want an esoteric struggle of the Aryan against Jewry with Hans Zimmerman music in the back. Far-rightism is basically Nazi revivalism; it is an aesthetic and poetical movement, not one based in reason, pragmatism, and truth. That is why they're always on crazy rants about the Jews and Holocaust denialism.
And the left just gets to point to these crazy people whenever someone suggests a reasonable policy of ethnic preservation and cry "you're just like them". This is part of what has given the left such huge power, the fear of being lumped in with these Nazi revivalist retards.

[Anonymous No.17688139]

>>17687824
>>17687908
Falling down a rabbit hole with this

>[Of plan #3] This is the plan that is usually meant when the Generplan Ost is referred to in secondary literature. It is the plan that, judging from Wetzel's comments, proposed the resettlement in West Siberia of 31 million (including 5-6 million Jews) of the estimated 45 million non-German inhabitants of the specific areas designated for German settlement, over a period of 30 years. The plan calls for the settlement of 10 million Germans on the territory, consisting of Danzig- Westpreußen, Wartheland, Oberschlesien, Generalgouvernement, South Ostpreußen, Bialystok, the Baltic States, Ingermanland, Weißruthenien and some areas in Ukraine.
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=90383

>[Of plan #5] Nowhere does this plan talk of deporting any part of the existing non-German population to Siberia. Rather, it proposes the resettling of the population of land required for German settlement on alternative kolkhozes and sovkhozes within the area under German rule; the rationale for that mild treatment is stated to be the need to retain the cooperation of the native population. The previous method of "evacuation" is explicitly rejected. The desired level of germanisation will be reached when 50% of the population of the borderlands is ethnically German, and 25-30% of the population of the bases. The process of germanisation is estimated to take 25 to 30 years.

>[From the MA thesis] It must be borne in mind that there was no definitive version accepted by Himmler which could have legitimated an implementation. So we must proceed from the position that, failing the extremely unlikely proving of the opposite by means of an appropriate discovery of a source, the variants of the GPO never went beyond the planning stage.
>The discussion about practicability or partial implementations that had already occurred continues to mask the fact that Himmler wanted "to hand this global plan over to the Führer at some point in time", ie he needed the latter's agreement or at least saw it as important.

>>17688062
I do want an esoteric struggle of a certain kind, and I do think Jews need to decide what kind of nation they want to be because it makes no sense for them to be the most successful and wealthy minority in 50 nations while also having their own nation. Especially in the dangerously principle-less, globalist age of capitalism-led pseudo-democracy. Lobbying, or really the mammonism that lobbying represents and is a manifestation of, has destroyed the leading nations in the world and led us to an epochal crisis. It'll cause WW3 soon. The best case possibility is that it is headless and mindless, it is simply steering us into chaos while chasing short term capital gains policies. The worst case scenario, it has something to do with this Bill Gates eat the bugs and Chinese social credit shit.

None of that requires schizophrenia or even antisemitism to believe.

[Anonymous No.17688190]

>>17687238
Oh my god shut up, we all know what white means, and just because there are different subgroups and some fuzzy borders doesn't mean that white people don't have common interests

[Anonymous No.17688240]

>>17688139
>yes we did plan to genocide and Germanise your nations, but it was only a plan bro! we didn't confirm it yet!
Wow thanks I guess it's okay then

[Anonymous No.17688256]

>>17687064
A fair representation of my beliefs would be that most black people are dumb.
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/city-student-passes-3-classes-in-four-years-ranks-near-top-half-of-class-with-013-gpa

[Anonymous No.17688284]

>>17688240
Based phoneposter, too busy to read, rush rush rush post comment post comment quickly rush rush I have a youtube comment to make in 3 minutes and then a twitter reply to make after that!!

[SAGE No.17688388]

>>17687064
rightists belong in camps

[Anonymous No.17688738]

>>17688388
Wasted digits. You're supposed to put sage in the options field you nigger.

[Anonymous No.17689113]

>>17687238
You sound like a total retard

[Anonymous No.17689125]

>>17688388
even if every rightist ends up in a camp you will still be an unlikable faggot. but you can change anon, whenever you want

[Anonymous No.17689218]

>>17687238
I know what you mean, but consider this: 200 years ago many national identities didn't exist either and people identified with their region or whatever.
Things change, identities come and go. How many groups that existed throughout history no longer exist? They didn't all just disappear, their identity/nationality changed.

There is no necessity for a 'white' identity either, it is in a way a "social construct" (just like other identities).
But I think 'whiteness' will become more relevant if the current demographic trends continue and native Europeans keep losing % in their own countries.
Anyone interested in this stuff should read pic related.

[Anonymous No.17689304]

>>17689218
Although I disagree with his conclusion, I respect Eric Kaufmann a lot for being a consistent progressive who recognizes that it's White identity isn't inherently toxic and it's perfectly normal to be attached to a certain version of your community. I really enjoy watching his interviews. He seems like he's a genuinely good, honest guy trying to find the answers to the questions posed by contemporary multiculturalism. If more people thought like him, it would be far easier to co-exist with minorities.

[Anonymous No.17689402]

>>17689218
(((KAUFMANN)))

[Anonymous No.17689404]

>>17687120
>gradually regain what has been lost peacefully.
How is that even possible

[Anonymous No.17689410]

>>17689404
Pay them to leave. If they came for money, shouldn't they leave for money too? There will be a few who remain but having like 1% of your country be a different race isn't that big of a problem.

[Anonymous No.17689414]

>>17689410
Jews will pay them not to leave...oh wait

[Anonymous No.17689432]

>>17689414
We will pay them. We will gain power and then offer them money to leave. Considering the money that is already spent of accomodating them it shouldn't be that hard to find.

[Anonymous No.17689565]

>>17687238
>Even the Nazis, from whom white nationalists draw much influence
You realize that all US Presidents up to Kennedy were actual and unironical "white nationalists", right?

[Anonymous No.17689591]

>>17687732
>They were constantly being told to murder civilians, and especially to rape women
Sure, that's why rape was a capital offence for them.

[Anonymous No.17689593]

>>17687986
>Closing the border against Muslim rapists has nothing to do with whether Himmler was operating autonomously or not.
The thing is, Israel is a major destabilizing force in the region. They have a nuclear monopoly and bomb + oppose secular leaders like Assad.
You can't really talk about the Muslim problem without bringing up how Jews and their American golem are the main instigators.

[Anonymous No.17690906]

>>17687306
Good post.

[Anonymous No.17691035]

>>17687238
Every ethnic group is made up of subgroups dumbfuck. This is like saying Italians don't exist because there are Sicilians, Corsicans, Neapolitans, Tuscans, etc. Basically because Americans have autism about race relations they are uncomfortable with what the term really means: White = American

[Anonymous No.17691616]

>>17691035
I think anti-whites understand this but just don't care. It's tactical nihilism.

[Anonymous No.17691991]

Im so tired of the American machine, friends. At this point my cultural homeland is almost dead and I just want to fuck off to somewhere in rural Oklahoma and do my best to avoid getting Ruby Ridged for the time being.
Anyway, good thread.

[Anonymous No.17692092]

>>17687238
>>17687303
This. Eurasianism and Castizo Futurism have been red pilling me hard recently

[Anonymous No.17692098]

>>17691616
anti-whites are gradually starting to turn on White Hispanics, just shows you how malleable and Americanized the term "White" is. We hail from Europe, not burger land.

[Anonymous No.17692117]

>>17687753
That is because we live under a Hyperdescent paradigm in America. "White Nationalism" is going nowhere, I'd argue that it's only rising and becoming more inclusive which is an oxymoron but that's how I see it.

[Anonymous No.17692331]

>>17688190
>doesn't mean that white people don't have common interests
Most whites are shouting BLM and and for letting the browns in.

[Anonymous No.17692336]

>>17687681
>If the left can take over the TV, internet, and academia, the right can too.
Lol Good luck with that mate. The next wave of censorship is coming.

[Anonymous No.17692369]

>>17688284
Kek These zoomer's are trash I agree.

[Anonymous No.17692450]

>>17687078
why does this book even exist when international jew exists?

[Anonymous No.17692512]

>>17691616
I think they're just stupid and psyoped by insane American conceptions of race and ethnicity. Most Americans only grasp on ethnicity is dumb shit like larping as tony soprano because they have one italian ancestor that showed up on a boat in the 1920s.

[Anonymous No.17693409]

>>17689432
This is why you will never regain Europe

[Anonymous No.17693437]

>>17687238
If aliens attacked tomorrow you would see how fast this black/white thing would utterly dissolve
Are you playing the fiddle or are you really this daft
You can chop groups all the way down to families and individuals
But when there is a significant difference in an external threat, more closely aligned groups will huddle together

[Anonymous No.17693440]

>>17687120
>>17689410
>>17689432
What a naive worldview. It will never work.

[Anonymous No.17693522]

>>17687316
This would quickly turn to racial tribalism

[Anonymous No.17693545]

>>17689218
>There is no necessity for a 'white' identity either, it is in a way a "social construct" (just like other identities).
Lol get a grip man
The blood and body have reactions to different stimuli and values and this is what begins to spawn identity.
Race is the compounding of identity, values, abilities, and successful patterns

[Anonymous No.17693553]

>>17693545
+combined with environment

[Anonymous No.17693662]

>>17693522
Why is that?

[Anonymous No.17693670]

>>17693662
People would see the benefit of pooling resources among their kin like has been done for the dawn of time

[Anonymous No.17693678]

>>17693670
Is it a bad thing for families to look after each other?

[Anonymous No.17693684]

>>17693670
Leftists come to a similar conclusion and it's what motivates them to destroy families. It's how they fight racism.

[Anonymous No.17693699]

>>17693684
There's a massive schism in what leftist actually believe in and what they do.

[Anonymous No.17693729]

Are people naturally inclined towards ethnonationalism at birth? I have been some sort of white nationalist/ethno-nationalist since I was in my early teens. My position was cemented when I got to my early teens and started to research and read about the topic.

I am fully aware off and well-read in lots of other political positions, but I have never wavered from my ethnonationalism. To me, it seems like a natural foundational position that all humans should possess, and I am starting to wonder if non-ethnonationalists are defective and unnatural.

[Anonymous No.17693735]

>>17687064

Imagine reading about an ideological manifesto which the movement itself didn't write.

[Anonymous No.17693744]

>>17693678
No I'm saying resources would pretty much spread back out to where they were beforehand because of the intelligence gaps

[Anonymous No.17693789]

If today's immigration policies and demographic changes continue to occur, my ethnicity will become a minority in our only country, a country we have inhabited for 10 000 years. The demographic change is permanent, and cannot be reversed without severely breaking several human rights. All other forms of politics can easily be changed. Tax policies, laws etc can easily be changed with the stroke of a pen. And through different election cycles, they will be changed back and forth. But the resulting demographic change can't easily be reversed. It's a permanent demographic change. This demographic change has brought a massive economic burden, a massive social burden and been entirely negative according to all available national statistics. To me, that makes ethnonationalism the only logical and relevant political standpoint.

[Anonymous No.17693856]

>>17693789
>But we're all humans

[Anonymous No.17693872]

>>17693856
Context matters
Europeans are losing their homeland and in America they're being phased out
Explain why this shouldn't cause cultural concern for them
They have a birthright to their homelands that supersedes anyone elses claim. Isnt this what we are talking about with "colonizers"? How's it any different? Government and 'special interest' letting non Europeans in en masse without proper assimilation at the least.

[Anonymous No.17693945]

The slavs will inherit Europe.

[Anonymous No.17693946]

>>17693789
>To me, that makes ethnonationalism the only logical and relevant political standpoint
Don't let them convince you that its wrong to think this way.

[Anonymous No.17693988]

>>17687064
literally who?
why don't you read some Evola, Nietzsche or Rosenberg?

[Anonymous No.17694015]

>>17693744
Yes it would. A state of distributism would require a will to maintain it through law, taxes, or some other scheme. So what?

[Anonymous No.17694545]

>>17687306
I never thought about it like that. Where can I learn more about this?

[Anonymous No.17694688]

>>17693872
>But this time we're helping people instead of oppressing them, cultures have always changed due to outside influence, and it's all legal

[Anonymous No.17694812]

Read Cultured Grugs.

[Anonymous No.17695067]

>>17688062
This is actually a stupid point. Everyone has psychos and I can just as easily point to communists/stalinist trannies and say "that's who you are". The thing is that it is magnified and pushed as a weapon, the propaganda is just too strong though.

[Anonymous No.17695194]

>>17687460
You say that it is a rejection of pan-europeanism but I think the cracks really started to show once globalism started coming in. Once big waves of immigrants started being dumped over europe people got upset with the EU and globalist governments that supported it.
Europe will become a second america with a mirrored racial problem situation due to the immigrants and their societal issues. I really do believe your culture and politics will be dumbed down to our level.

[Anonymous No.17695442]

Good bread. All of the posters saying that Holocaust revisionism is worthless or that "anti-Semitism" hurts pro-Whites fail to realize that the Holocaust story (along with the Civil War/slavery) is the basis for every single anti-White policy in the West and that government alliances with jewish interests actively damage White people.
The most important steps to be taken are:
1. Reclaiming the Civil War/slavery and the Holocaust as historical events (we did it, we were right to do it, we feel no guilt about having done it). Here, "revisionism," or the refutation of propaganda, is key.
2. Asserting that philo-Semitic foreign and domestic policy is bad for Whites everywhere and that "anti-Semitism" is a slur to censor these concerns.

[Anonymous No.17695456]

>>17695194
I would argue at least in some European countries it's already worse than America. At least Americans can live somewhat comfortably with Hispanics because they do share a Christian background. The demographic problems in countries like France are only exaggerated by the people being so radically different. They're not just black but they're Muslim too.

[Anonymous No.17695472]

>>17695456
Walking out of a French train station at night is surreal.

[Anonymous No.17695480]

>>17693945
I agree with this. As Europe becomes more brown, it will be easier for slavs to invade and conquer it. If China were to invade and conquer Eastern Russia, I believe that Russia would invade and conquer Europe. Similar to how the Huns conquering land in central and southern Russia resulted in the prior inhabitants invading the Roman Empire, and also when the Mongols conquered land in central asia it resulted in the Turks invading Asia Minor.

[Anonymous No.17695502]

>>17695442
>the Holocaust story is the basis for every single anti-White policy in the West
This.

[Anonymous No.17695584]

>>17695456
>>17695472
Yes and you can already see the breakdown of nuance in european politics happening from this. Same will happen with other things I bet. Soon europeans who were so snide about americans will have willingly become exactly like them.

[Anonymous No.17695635]

>>17695584
>willingly
We weren't asked.

[Anonymous No.17695698]

>>17695635
lets be honest here, most euros are bleeding hearts. Poland refused them, France did not and we can see the effects. (not to say it was just because of the recent waves, but france has been open to outside cultures)

[Anonymous No.17695957]

>>17689404
You can make your country less hospitable for them without directly genociding them

[Anonymous No.17696196]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B4pzGlUHnk

[Anonymous No.17696279]

>>17696196
high energy

[Anonymous No.17696384]

>>17687120
Utterly dereistic. Our choices are to get mad and fight back, or to become insular and politically powerless little enclaves hiding out in the boonies of our former homelands. If you think the amount of immigration is insane now, just wait until non-whites are definitively in control... We will become hopelessly outnumbered in a short few decades, and our ingenuity will not be enough to affect a reversal at that point.

[Anonymous No.17696407]

>>17696384
At that point all we need is a 4channer at NORAD and all will be well (in Minecraft)

[Anonymous No.17696436]

>>17687238
'Whites' are simply the European genetic cluster. It's a tangible cluster of genetic relatedness that you can study if you wish, and you'll find that it lines up surprisingly well with what your eyes tell you about who is 'White'. Yes, Whites are already diverse and don't need any more 'diversity'. The relevance of White Nationalism is as a response to the common threat against our entire genetic cluster, the world over. The point isn't to homogenize all European peoples, it's to form a mutual preservation alliance.

I hope this has alleviated some measure of your stupidity.

[Anonymous No.17696483]

>>17693789
Well said.

[Anonymous No.17696521]

>>17696483
>tfw

[Anonymous No.17696531]

I understand being a white nationalist that's logical for the mostly part. What i don't understand is the Nazi Larping worship.

[Anonymous No.17696545]

>>17696531
The antisemitism aspect fits comfortably into the white nationalist world view, but the rest of nazism was pretty fucking dumb.

[Anonymous No.17696962]

>>17687151
>occultists who think that demons are trying to mix the races and transform humanity into a cybernetic slave race
Literally me

[Anonymous No.17697190]

>>17696531
>What i don't understand is the Nazi Larping worship.
It's mostly a function of anti-Nazi propaganda, amusingly enough; ever since WWII Nazi Germany has been held up as this powerful, competent and implacable ultimate enemy of liberal democracy, Jews, "degeneracy", etc. and are perpetually in the public consciousness due to the unending flow of media about them. As a result, groups who shared enough of the same values viewed them as the best example to emulate - they had unambiguous and known positions on issues of relevance to the "far right", they were immediately identifiable and they came with immense curb appeal. On top of that, the charge of "you're just Nazis pretending not to be" would immediately be levied against any group which espoused the same values but without the packaging and adopting Nazi imagery pre-empts that. George Lincoln Rockwell chose to emulate them for exactly these reasons and said so himself. The values and positions of Nazi-themed post-war political organizations might not be in complete agreement with those of the original NSDAP but they're close enough for government work if you'll pardon the expression.

[Anonymous No.17697665]

>>17696962
Where did you get that idea, anon?

[Anonymous No.17697755]

>>17696962
When you lack a stable identity, the environment has more power in defining it

[Anonymous No.17697821]

>>17696196
This is actually good

[Anonymous No.17698242]

>>17696962
Neon Genesis Evangelion is based on a true story

[Anonymous No.17698931]

>>17698242
that's a fact

[Anonymous No.17700068]

>>17696196
I like it

[Anonymous No.17700128]

>>17693789
That the Irish struggled for so long to escape from oppression and then willingly put the yoke back on themselves is still amazing to me. Someone linked a video here recently of some very articulate Irish nationalist explaining that the average Irish person is desperate for Ireland to be taken seriously as a "real nation" and it thinks that the current thing all the "real nations" are doing is signing their own death warrants with immigration, so that's what it has to do.

The rivers of blood speech just gets more relevant every day.
>We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependents, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBXE39MkZx4

[Anonymous No.17700159]

Is it so hard to have kids with a white women and hope for the best? All the white nationalist I see on bitchute are 30+ men with no wife or kids strange.

[Anonymous No.17700225]

>>17700128
>>We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependents, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre.
It makes one have conspiratorial thoughts

[Anonymous No.17700241]

>>17700159
>just have kids, do nothing and hope for the best
tell this to literally anyone from any ideology ever and they'd call you retarded because you are retarded.

[Anonymous No.17700257]

>>17700241
Smartest thing to do would probably be move somewhere like China and have kids there. Maybe Russia idk.

[Anonymous No.17700262]

>>17696531
read the first few chapters of Mein Kampf

[Anonymous No.17700318]

>>17700241
Well you need young men to fight not middle aged men. White nationalist are too weak. Your country is gone so you might as well find a white women have kids and find a safe place to live, its over.

[Anonymous No.17700331]

>>17696545
>high power level
>not letting his enemies define his positions
I like it.
>>17700159
They're not going to put them on camera anon, you see how hard left types go after people's families, they have no scruples.

[Anonymous No.17700335]

>>17700257
>China
Have you not been paying attention AT ALL?

[Anonymous No.17700766]

>>17687238
Politics are defined moreso by who people wish to exclude rather than who they wish to include. Since the origin of the problem in the case of Europeans is the completely unfettered immigration of millions upon millions of brown and black people it's only natural that the ones resisting this process would define themselves along being white despite never identifying like that among themselves when the brown and black elements are not present in the mix. People against immigration can define themselves as whites when it comes to this issue while identifying themselves as French, German, English, etc. when it comes to other matters.

[Anonymous No.17700862]

>>17687064
I think its best to understand the racial epithets behind naturalism, or more specifically, the hierarchy that naturalism espouses. The main mantra of white nationalism is layered in rhetorical concepts about "identity" in specific relation to nature. The fallacy that perpetuates race realism and the broader concepts of Social Darwinism is the glorification that man has with his land, that he is indistinguishable from the soil he is born from. Naturalism, and the concepts it encompasses, enforce the superiority of a colloquialized race that is from a greater, more pure, racial creed. Because of this, the efforts that demand present day whites to see beyond national boarders is counterproductive, as another anon has stated, as both Europeans and Americans have differing views over the respective "white" identity; this is a problem that is echoed throughout post-modern thought that there is indeed no 'white' race, which is bullshit and should be seen as nothing more then subversion.

The "return to tradition" term that is often repeated is misinterpreted by many nationalists as a return to cultural traditions, rather then natural tradition. To really understand white nationalism, you must get to the heart and center of a mass spiritual conflict that has erupted from the monumental corpse that lay beneath the grave of God. To say that the races of the world share a spiritual incompatibility is an understatement, as the referential and dogmatic nature behind race realism extends from the greater connection of naturalism as a whole; that there is a moving force that favors whites and whites only, and that this force is nothing more then the tunes at which the earth plays.

This appeal to nature results in fetishizing the ego, for if nature favors only the best, then I am free to do whatever I please, and if my ancestors lived this way, I should as well. This is why Aryanism and estoric iconography take a center hold, and why white nationalism will never go mainstream in the conventional sense. The slaves of this world, and more importantly the system dependent pig men that suck off of it, will never understand the worldview doctrine. The idea that nature espouses the ultimate truth that creates such a detriment to collectivized thought is all to real, but it is expressed as easily as the Earth turns---that might, makes right.

[Anonymous No.17700865]

>>17696531
It's ironic. It's literally the last real taboo in the liberal status quo, the only position you can get jailed for for holding. Not even being an open and proud pedophile will garner you as much scorn as larping as a nazi does. It's only natural that people who want to provoke the system would larp as nazis to do so.

Not that I think it's the right way to go about expressing your resistance against the contemporary status quo, or whether it's even effective in any real sense, but it's not hard to understand why it would seem appealing to many.

[Anonymous No.17700945]

>>17695635
Letting it happen is basically the same thing. If you really cared to prevent this from happening you would've nipped it in the bud at any cost.

[Anonymous No.17700999]

>>17688062
>they want an esoteric struggle of the Aryan against Jewry with Hans Zimmerman music in the back.

Arguably it's more of a struggle they're forced into rather than one they willingly chose. If you snapped a finger and antisemitic thought got wiped from everyone's minds jews would still (consciously or unconsciously) perceive the world as "jews vs. goyim".

For the aryan-jewish/goy-jewish dichotomy to disappear both parties would need to stop reifying the concept. If only one party refuses to play the game the other can still carry on without the former's refusal making any real difference.

[Anonymous No.17701029]

>>17700865
But it's cringe and makes white people look bad. Now whenever I say I am conservative people look at me strange. Hitler was a failure so I don't understand the love. Also shouting JEWS bad and nigger showing your face on camera is beyond stupid. Jews rule the world so why would you give them an excuse to ruin your life? Very strange.

[Anonymous No.17701058]

>>17701029
>But it's cringe and makes white people look bad.
Whether something is based/cool/rebellious or merely dumb/cringe depends wholly on narrative control. What people find cool and uncool are wholly societally controlled, most of the time through the media people consume and what popular people in any particular group think or say.

This is why a long march through the institutions is absolutely necessary for anyone wanting to break the current status quo. Control of the narrative through control of education/media/the cultural sphere at large (arts, etc.) is an extremely powerful tool, one without which nobody can hope ot achieve success.

[Anonymous No.17701076]

>>17701029
Idiot, lefties can believe insane conspiracies, commit random acts of violence, and burn cites. and people don't associate those act to leftism as a whole, it's all about perception and narratives spun by institutions, which they control .

[Anonymous No.17701090]

>>17701076
Yes we all understand the left are hypocrites, what I am saying is shouting Jews bad and Niggers is going to ruin your life. The Jews rule the world. Paul miller ruined his life for what?

[Anonymous No.17701178]

>>17701090
This just seems like a stupid question to ask. people talked bad about kings, held controversial views on science, people also argued about religious matters with violent ramification. Are these people stupid? What did they do it for? Nearly every one of these people also ruined their lives for it

[Anonymous No.17701221]

>>17701090
>Nooo don’t criticise things it will ruin you.

[Anonymous No.17701249]

>>17701221
When you're dead in a gulag the blacks will fuck your woman. I would rather keep my mouth shut move and come back with an army. If they take your life you have lost. I am not a martyr for white people. Go ahead throw your life away no one will miss you, all those that stormed Capitol Hill and the woman that died are Martyr's and no one cares about them.

[Anonymous No.17702171]

>>17701249
If we win in the end people will remember them.

[Anonymous No.17702476]

>>17687151
>there are occultists who think that demons are trying to mix the races and transform humanity into a cybernetic slave race,
You can't say that and not give a source

[Anonymous No.17702506]

>>17700318
>Your country is gone
False, retard.

[Anonymous No.17702522]

>>17687716
>There was very little inter-white hatred for most of history.

Osti de criss de tabarnak the filth you read on this site sometimes.

[Anonymous No.17702558]

>>17692450
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[Anonymous No.17702647]

>>17700862
I don't consider myself a white nationalist, but simply a nationalist, but I think you make several miscalculations here. >>17700862
>the glorification that man has with his land, that he is indistinguishable from the soil he is born from.
This is not so much built into Nationalism as you might think it is. Nationhood is a French idea, derivative of a specific history and cultural context. For the French the root of the idea is the people as associated by filial links and cultural habits, not territory. You had a "king of the Franks" before you had a "king of Frankia" so to say (not accurate but its a good analogy). The emphasis on territory was bolted on later.
>>17700862
>This appeal to nature results in fetishizing the ego, for if nature favors only the best, then I am free to do whatever I please, and if my ancestors lived this way, I should as well.
The appeal of Nationalism, its strength, is the complete opposite. Everything nowadays is designed to fetishize the ego, Nationalism fetishizes the collective's ego, and binds the individual to its will. At the moment it is really the only force capable of doing so, as society is completely desintegrated into individuals with no possibility of effective radical expression.
One way or another you will either see shit like Q Anons "legitimizing" itself globally as a political stance, or different brands of nationalism will keep appearing.

[Anonymous No.17702729]

>>17687238
This is entirely true and virtually every other post itt is brainlet drivel. White nationalism is basically just Anglo snake oil for developmentally challenged retards.

I'm not a fascist at all, but I do read fascist lit and can see the appeal in it. Ideologically it's infinitely more worthy than WN.

So yeah, if you read Taylor and agree with him, just fucking off yourself. If you enjoy Mishima or Celine, you're still wrong, but at least you're not an ideological bottom feeder.

[Anonymous No.17702754]

>>17687064
I would likely be called a "white nationalist", and a well-read one at that, and I've never even heard of it.

Read the Culture of Critique by Kevin Macdonald, L'archeofuturismo by Guillaume Faye, Web of Debt by Ellen Hodges, Political Essays by Alfred Rosenberg, The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century by Houston Stewart Chamberlain, The Myth of the Twentieth Century by Alfred Rosenberg, The Inequality of the Human Races by Arthur de Gobineu, For My Legionnaires by Cornelieu Zelea Codreanu, Fascism For The Million by Oswald Mosley, the Doctrine of Fascism by Benito Mussolini, The Coming Corporate State by Alexander Raven Thomson,
Revolt Against the Modern World by Julius Evola, White Power by George Lincoln Rockwell, and literally anything and everything you can get ahold of by William Luther Pierce.

[Anonymous No.17702779]

>>17687309
Euro here. You're fucking wrong, Anglo scum. Also Brits were never Europeons and will never be. They've always been mere island monkeys. Europe is Hegel and Napoleon, England is Nigel and Jellied Eel. No culture, no Geist, No Taste. The greatest thinkers of GB are either Scots or Irish. At least they've got Hume.

[Anonymous No.17702792]

>>17687238
>the Nazis ... held that Germanic people were superior to everyone else
This is simply not true. The German nationalism was never about the opposition to others, but about pride in the self, and held that others should take pride in their heritage, too.

[Anonymous No.17702799]

>>17702779
This, frog here, I may dislike muslims and wish they would stop cutting heads already, but Brits are absolute subhumans worse than the worse caricature of Evil Jew you can summon. I will never accept any form of nationalism that isn't specifically aligned against them.

[Anonymous No.17702812]

>>17702779
>>17702799
Show your nose

[Anonymous No.17702848]

>>17702812
Between number 7 and 8, what is either called a Duchess or an Aquilin nose.

[Anonymous No.17702889]

>>17702848
Shabbos then huh? I hope they pay you well

[Anonymous No.17702919]

>>17702889
> The City of London Corporation shill calling out frogs jews for calling him out on his historic jewry.

kek.

[Anonymous No.17702935]

>>17702919
I'm not an Anglo, schlomo. I just know anyone who tries instigate more brother wars is an agent of the enemy.
Are you also guilty for the capital of the jew world order being on your soil? (Strasburg)

[Anonymous No.17702983]

>>17702935
>brother wars
>brother
Fuck you and fuck your mom and everyone of your mutt lineage.
>the capital of the jew world order
Literally who gives a fucking shit. Jews have been at it for just over a century, the City of London Corporation has been at it for around 985 years. Learn to identify your enemies you stupid shithead.

[Anonymous No.17702998]

>>17702983
>Learn to identify your enemies
People like you it is, schlomo. How can someone be this disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.17703039]

>>17702998
No coherent response I see.
Your literally just a globalist but for white people only.
Fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.17703078]

>>17693789
Counterpoint
>they are just refugees who are seeking escape and refuge from their own oppressive governments
Retort
>And when have the “refugees” not gone from settling to dominating? Ask the Native Americans how the colonists worked out for them.

[Anonymous No.17703135]

>>17703078
>>And when have the “refugees” not gone from settling to dominating?
Throughout most of history, really. Read Henry James Sumner Maine on the birth of the concept of adoption and how it was practiced on a large scale. (This is not to say that modern immigration is okay and not completely unnatural, but there has always been population migrations in the past and as often as not it was handled through social mechanisms that ended up preventing conflicts and insured assimilation/integration).
>Ask the Native Americans how the colonists worked out for them.
Colonists are not usually "refugees"...

[Anonymous No.17703171]

>>17687303
Indeed, I'm Swedish and I often identify as European and would like a European nation that actually worked for European interests, and not globalism and population replacement policies, direct or indirect.

I can't go to Spain and feel right at home, the culture is different, but it's not different enough to feel alien. I can however go to Germany and feel quite at home. A German can do the same in France and a Frenchman can do the same in Spain. It's a continuum and it's great.
There are a few cultural ideas that unite all Europeans, be they Portuguese, Irish, Swedish, Russian or Yugoslav. These cultural ideas unite us in the idea of Europe and the non-presence of these ideas when traveling outside of Europe is painfully apparent to any cultural European when traveling outside of Europe.

[Anonymous No.17703198]

>>17703171
that's interesting, what do you think those cultural ideas are?

[Anonymous No.17703216]

>>17703135
>Throughout most of history
Historically irrelevant given modern circumstances.
>Colonists are not usually "refugees"...
Within the same vein of motive to practice their oppressed culture, not to generally assimilate into preestablished norms.

[Anonymous No.17703294]

>>17703171
What cultural ideas?

[Anonymous No.17703309]

>>17703039
No I'm not, schlomo, I'm a localist. But white people will have to band together to fight this since if shit goes down in France, my country will be impacted too. It's a global problem and pretending we're not in this together is retarded. You're either being disingenuous or very retarded.
>the City of London Corporation has been at it for around 985 years
And a regular white person up in Bumfuckingtonshire has what to do with that again?

[Anonymous No.17703358]

>>17703216
>Historically irrelevant given modern circumstances.
Not an excuse to be a fucking cunt and dunk on people's misery. You can be against immigration as a standard policy for the express purpose of feeding the liberal economy while also still remain a human being with a soul and an understanding that migration might be the only feasible recourse for someone. The historical reference shows us that a "return to tradition" doesn't mean being ridiculously xenophobic, as that was never really the case on a global scale. It means a return to the means of handling population migrations effectively and not throughout this monster of a bureaucracy that has no interest but that of the shareholders.
>Within the same vein of motive to practice their oppressed culture
No, it specifically isn't in the same line of motives as that of a refugee (by the accepted meaning of the term). A colonist has no need for pretenses about assimilating. He is intentionally trying to replicate the society he came from in another territory. A refugee is intentionally trying to seek refuge in another land. Traditionally, refugees have accepted and expected that they would need to assimilate/integrate into the society they move into, with only a few exceptions to that rule. Rituals were used to establish the terms of the integration, and public displays such as feasts were the leaders of the two people would recount their ancestry and seek specifically to establish that one of both ancestors were the same individual were very often used (you can find rituals like these in almost every *primitive* societies.).

[Anonymous No.17703433]

>>17703358
>It means a return to the means of handling population migrations effectively and not throughout this monster of a bureaucracy that has no interest but that of the shareholders.

I think, as well as this issue, people should be pointed out as the corporatists they are when they try to excuse mass-migration with sympathetic mourning. They unconsciously seek to expand a consumer and GDP-minded morality. I generally find it ironic that a good portion of such persons lament capitalism, consumerism, etc. but push for sublimation into the very system.

[Anonymous No.17703519]

>>17703433
>I think, as well as this issue, people should be pointed out as the corporatists they are when they try to excuse mass-migration with sympathetic mourning.
Well, yeah, but the problem is that it might be humanly understandable to respond to sympathetic mourning and take the occasional responsibility of sheltering a group of people into your own land as a result. That emotion has been fully integrated and understood and exploited by the liberal elite, and now if you take the bluepill you end up thinking every economic immigration is an act of justified refuge seeking or if you take the redpill no one has a right to ask for shelter without being deemed a fucking cockroach trying to dilute your genetic purity.
And obviously the entire system is designed to reduce your attention to these problems to a minimum.

[Anonymous No.17703723]

>>17702647
>I think you make several miscalculations here
Perhaps, but I was referencing the concept of Blood and Soil, and the oxymoronic nature of Pan-European Nationalism. The problem with white nationalism in particular is the lack of identity, especially in American culture, where identity is sold to the user through commodity, rather then tradition. Customs, then, are simply not enough to unify the remaining Aryan races, and is why collective concepts that were once identitarian, such as Christianity, do not work. Every race has access to the same ideals that were once considered white, they become polluted and miscegenized, and are no longer desired by the greater consciousness of the white populous. It is in the same vain that "white flight" occurs.

The rationality behind naturalism, and the concept of Blood and Soil, is that by using the lowest common denominator---the very ground in which you walk in---it becomes the only identity that mobilizes the soul. It becomes a canvas where you can recreate the mythology of the white race over again, one that is inseparable from every ounce of dirt that is tread upon. The collective, then, becomes the individual. That is to say, it becomes the individual nation itself. It is the inseparable unity between a man and his country that gives way to the entente that is nationalism, not the fixation on cultural tradition---I am, and I are all We.

Nationalism shouldn't be looked at as collectivism, but rather as individualism collectivized, because if it was collectivism, it would be globalism. This is why Hitler placed specific emphasis on the importance of the individual within the nation, rather then the people as a whole. Indeed, he romanticized the German people's struggle, but he made sure that the individual was always prominent, always growing, because it is the growth of a singular individual that creates an extraordinary person, and it is extraordinary people that create an extraordinary nation.

>Nationalism fetishizes the collective's ego, and binds the individual to its will
I agree, but assuming the nation is the individual now, nationalism fetishizes the individual's ego, and binds the collective to its will.

[Anonymous No.17703806]

>>17703723
>The problem with white nationalism in particular is the lack of identity
The lack of identity is not so much a problem with white nationalism or any nationalism as a hurdle to the prior answer of how you bind people together. White Nationalism seeks to offer you an identity, and if there was enough momentum behind it (or less momentum arrayed against it) it would definitely be more appealing to euros (and americans, for that matter).

[Anonymous No.17703896]

>>17703806
Not the guy you're replying to but I see "white identity" as a kind of minimum threshold to draw people into their local identities more. You don't STOP at whiteness. You just recognize that it's somehow a part of European heritage and then you are a subset of that heritage, and ideally you should go further than that and take pride in your regional customs and communities.

There's a reason T.S. Eliot was right wing. If you want to preserve the beautiful distinctness of all the little regional cultures of Ireland, instead of letting them be bulldozed by multiculturalism and Americanism, you are already on the path to seeking larger "corporations" (in the sense of bodies) in which Irishness and regional Irishnesses can fit, other peoples who have similar goals of self-preservation and self-determination, who make for natural friends and allies as a result.

>The problem with white nationalism in particular is the lack of identity
The globalist omniculture is doing that for whites. They have been suppressing information about crime and poverty in the media for generations, editing reality to keep people blind, and I guess they thought they could dial up the manipulation even further. But now they need whites more and more, to sustain their dying economies, but the method they chose to enslave the remaining white working class was to whip their immigrant scabs into a frenzy so they're constantly screaming for more gibs, demanding more self-flaggelation from whitey.

Imagine how the dam would break once the average white person is more curious, rather than less curious, when they hear something like "there were 50,000 black on white rapes in 2005 and effectively 0 white on black rapes." If you say that now, people will react like you're completely insane and evil. I wonder if that will still be the case in 10 years. When that scale finally tips, it will get messy. They've already showed they're desperate to control information. I unironically think they'd shut down the internet if white people actually started using it to talk about these things. They'd find some pretext to kick into next level dystopia.

[Anonymous No.17704451]

>>17687064
I remember reading an article how Europe is purposefully accepting the CRIMINALS from many minority nations. I wouldn't be surprised if social engineers and data miners, especially connected to Mossad, are manipulating the trends of both the far-left and far-right. The truth is there are no good guys in this conflict.
If you accept criminals from any nation, you will have problems.

[Anonymous No.17704478]

>>17687151
Based but you should go ahead and consider yourself WN

[Anonymous No.17705046]

>>17703806
>The lack of identity is not so much a problem
The stark reality is that it is, otherwise white nationalism would be a lot more popular. White identity politics only offer a basis for identity, not identity in of itself, that must be grown and cultured in a vacuum separate from American culture, or you risk the pollution of the ideal as I previously stated. The idea of "white identity" is that it must be an identity that retains a closed circuit, is away from the kultur-terror complex, and is only accessible to whites. An example of a white identity that retains these features is the Amish, because no matter what, no shitskin or liberal tranny can ever become Amish, and so the Amish ideals can never be polluted or co-opted.

In regards to white nationalism, creating a white identity has been the struggle for the eons because it is difficult to replicate an organic culture in an artificial environment. This is why the far right has such a hard on for esoteric iconography and occultism, and more importantly why writers such as Guenon and Evola desired a religion that maintains the contextual history of the nations of Europe, while giving credence to the conceptual identity of cultural and natural traditions. There needs to be an anti-thesis to post-modern society, and that will inevitably erupt itself in the final translation as a singular white identity. What this identity will look like, I'm not sure, and there has been specific speculation in the subject (things like Castizo Futurism as another anon mentioned), but it is essentially, the happening of all happenings.

[Anonymous No.17705063]

>>17705046
>The stark reality is that it is, otherwise white nationalism would be a lot more popular.
You act like people can just choose their identities, they can't. It doesn't matter how appealing the identity might be if it's treated as heresy by in the institutions in power.

[Anonymous No.17705231]

>>17705063
>You act like people can just choose their identities, they can't
Yes.

Do you think jews would never openly disbar whites all-together? Do you think they would not just make being white a heresy itself? You see this now with conservatives, where they must choose between corporate zionism, or radical right wing fascism. Inevitably, the only identity left for whites, will be the one identity that is espoused from white nationalism. Liberals like to think that whites are immediately born into racism, perhaps in the future that won't be far from the truth.

[Anonymous No.17705490]

White Nationalism is a form of delusion, not an ideology. The anxiety that there is an international cabal that wants your destruction isn't much different from shizophrenic fears about gangstalking and the like. It originates from an inability to distinguish between reality and imagination.

[Anonymous No.17705505]

>>17705490
>schizophrenic
Well the theories about motives might be but they aren't imagining the change in ethnic composition of their countries, nor that it's forbidden to talk about or oppose it.

[Anonymous No.17705551]

>>17705490
>there is an international cabal that wants your destruction
Even if this weren't the case, Schlomo, fact is that the destruction is slowly happening and calls to do something about it or even talk about it are met with cancellation, deplatforming, unpersoning and sometimes even violence. Not a big stretch for some people to imagine there might be some kind of motive behind that.

[Anonymous No.17705579]

>>17705505
Yes but that's not the part that makes them delusional

[Anonymous No.17705594]

>>17705579
Unless you're an elite yourself all your opinions about who is really pulling the strings may as well be delusions. You don't know, you just have to choose to trust something, whether that's the NYT or Qanon has less to do with mental illness and more to do with how alienated you are from mainstream society.

[Anonymous No.17705612]

>>17705551
>Not a big stretch for some people to imagine there might be some kind of motive behind that.
Of course there is a motive to it, all human action has psychological causes. The point is that the WhiteNat interpretation of the motives in question is delusional, ie based on a malfunction of reasoning.

[Anonymous No.17705639]

>>17705612
But it's really not, thinking that aliens from Mars are behind it would be delusional. What white nationalists actually think? Depends on the specifics but broadly somewhere between plausible and unlikely, but nowhere near delusional.

[Anonymous No.17705681]

>>17705594
>Unless you're an elite yourself all your opinions about who is really pulling the strings may as well be delusions. You don't know
If you are unable to rationally evaluate the evidence, that is.
>you just have to choose to trust something, whether that's the NYT or Qanon
Trusting blindly something is a substitute for thinking for yourself. Try again.

[Anonymous No.17705686]

>>17705612
>You are delusional for thinking jews run the world
You are delusional
>You are delusional
You are delusional
>You are delusional
You are delusional
>You are delusional

you are literally proving their point

[Anonymous No.17705707]

>>17705639
WhiteNats believe that everyone or at least a majority of people of Jewish descent in Academia, Hollywood and the MSM are secret Zionist agents. It is obviously a delusion.

[Anonymous No.17705721]

>>17705681
>to rationally evaluate the evidence,
You can't rationally evaluate the evidence because the evidence is terrible in quality and your access to the evidence is highly contingent on your own station in society. The best a prole can do is notice obvious self-contradictions in narratives, which tells you at least that there is something wrong with that narrative.

[Anonymous No.17705737]

>>17705686
>calling me delusional literally proves my point!
It literally doesn't, this is delusional circular reasoning

[Anonymous No.17705750]

>>17705707
No they don't, that's a strawman. There's probably a few that do but not the majority. You shouldn't talk about things you don't know very much about. Not even nearly all WNs believe the Jews are behind it, and of those that do, most of them say it's groups of elite jews that are a clique, and that many regular jews are unknowingly propagating these things because it serves their immediate interests. I don't know about that but it doesn't sound delusional at all, like I said, somewhere between plausible and unlikely depending on the specifics.

[Anonymous No.17705779]

>>17705231
>Do you think jews would never openly disbar whites all-together? Do you think they would not just make being white a heresy itself?
How are these 2 different?

>Inevitably, the only identity left for whites, will be the one identity that is espoused from white nationalism.
What specific identity is espoused from White nationalism?

[Anonymous No.17705818]

>>17705721
>You can't rationally evaluate the evidence because the evidence is terrible in quality
Hint: if the evidence that backs up a narrative is shit, you probably shouldn't believe it
>and your access to the evidence is highly contingent on your own station in society
What are you even talking about, evidence for what claim
>The best a prole can do is notice obvious self-contradictions in narratives, which tells you at least that there is something wrong with that narrative.
That's terrible methodology, you should look at the coherency of the narrative in conjunction with the evidence. An ingenius demagogue can easily make a narrative look internally coherent by denying all known facts that go against it.

[Anonymous No.17705828]

>>17705818
Stop right there shlomo. Do you believe affirmative action should be abolished immediately? Yes or no.

[Anonymous No.17705849]

>>17705818
The evidence in question here(when talking about political power) is itself embedded in narratives apart from very basic undeniable facts which themselves can be interpreted in many ways. It is fragmentary, biased, and inconsistently distributed.

And the point of looking at internal contradiction is not that anything consistent with itself is therefore valid, it is that the narratives which do contradict themselves are suspect.

[Anonymous No.17705905]

>>17705750
>No they don't, that's a strawman. There's probably a few that do but not the majority. You shouldn't talk about things you don't know very much about. Not even nearly all WNs believe the Jews are behind it
It's not a strawman. Start a thread on /pol/ asking who is behind the attempts to destroy the west. See whom they identify.
>and of those that do, most of them say it's groups of elite jews that are a clique
By which they mean Academia, Hollywood and the MSM.

[Anonymous No.17705925]

>>17705828
Nice try but I am not letting you change the topic

[Anonymous No.17705936]

>>17705905
It's not a strawman. Start a thread on /pol/ asking who is behind the attempts to destroy the west. See whom they identify.
If you think pol is a decent representation of WN, you are retarded. Do you talk to other people in the real world?
>By which they mean Academia, Hollywood and the MSM.
Sure, but they have a point when elite jews are majorly overreprestented in those areas and those same people also seem to be the most anti-white. But they mostly mean the people who control those and similar institutions.

[Anonymous No.17705969]

>>17705849
>The evidence in question here(when talking about political power) is itself embedded in narratives apart from very basic undeniable facts which themselves can be interpreted in many ways. It is fragmentary, biased, and inconsistently distributed.
It seems confusing because you are thinking in vague terms. Evidence is always evidence for a particular proposition.
>And the point of looking at internal contradiction is not that anything consistent with itself is therefore valid, it is that the narratives which do contradict themselves are suspect.
I didn't say there is no point to looking at internal contradictions, but it's not enough to determine truth.

[Anonymous No.17706004]

>>17705969
My point is where the evidence comes from, it's not like there are rigorous experiments involved here, it's literally accounts of who is ordering decisions to be made, whose accounts do you trust?

[Anonymous No.17706045]

>>17705936
>If you think pol is a decent representation of WN, you are retarded. Do you talk to other people in the real world?
/pol/ is a very good representative of it.
Now why don't you tell us where do *you* go for a decent representation of the movement?
>Sure, but they have a point when elite jews are majorly overreprestented in those areas
Men are also overepresented in these areas compared to women, that doesn't prove there is a patriarchical plot. They don't have any point whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.17706049]

>>17705925
Nobody is falling for your reductio ad pilpullum.

[Anonymous No.17706053]

>>17706004
You need to give a specific proposition for evaluation, otherwise we will just keep talking in generalities without making any progress.

[Anonymous No.17706064]

>>17706045
>Now why don't you tell us where do *you* go for a decent representation of the movement?
you could go to an actual White Nationalist forum, they exist. Even Stormfront is a better representative than /pol/ while not being explicitly just WN but there are a number of them as well as books like the one in the OP.

/pol/ is literally a 4chan board, we shouldn't ahve to explain why that precludes it being a good representative of any movement

[Anonymous No.17706078]

>>17706053
The discussion started about ethnic restructuring of white countries, so why not that. How do you get reliable evidence about who is calling the shots leading to this change in ethnic composition, and what their motives are?

[Anonymous No.17706107]

>>17706045
>/pol/ is a very good representative of it.
Lmao this has to be bait
>Now why don't you tell us where do *you* go for a decent representation of the movement?
There are many places online, /pol/ is the absolute gutter of the internet in any way.
>Men are also overepresented in these areas compared to women, that doesn't prove there is a patriarchical plot. They don't have any point whatsoever.
Jews are a tiny minority of the world population yet control many of the institutions in many influential countries in the world. If you read into them, especially the ones that have much (hard or soft) power, they emphasize their own identity and background. Given what we know of their history, wouldn't it be very logical they assume they have some sort of in-group bias? And couldn't it also be possible that that is to the detriment of white people given that they mostly push for anti-white policies?

[Anonymous No.17706139]

>>17687064
>athiest ethnic communitarianism that disavows revanchism or nation state nationalism in favor of consolidating on White Reservations
William Pierce. Or any Chinese Unrestricted Warfare literature. Or UN documents/communications on South Africa.

[Anonymous No.17706248]

>>17705737
>hurr durr im a pseud lelelele
But it does you retard, because you show no other recourse then to offer contemptible insults towards an already irrational discourse. You are attempting to criticize a fringe ideology, that sits on an already fringe culture, with no inclination to understand it simply because you can't. You are pissing in a sea of piss.

>>17705779
One is about to happen in 5 years, the other in 29. As for identity, you should refer to this anon's reply >>17705046

[Anonymous No.17706277]

>>17706064
>you could go to an actual White Nationalist forum, they exist. Even Stormfront is a better representative than /pol/ while not being explicitly just WN but there are a number of them as well as books like the one in the OP.
If you actually browse Stormfront you should know that most of them believe in the Jewish Cabal theory, so you are just being a contrarian and disagree with everything I say for the sake of disagreement.
>/pol/ is literally a 4chan board, we shouldn't ahve to explain why that precludes it being a good representative of any movement
It's actually an excellent representation, the rise of white nationalism in recent years is largely due to online platforms like 4chan/youtube/twitter. If you think this is just an anime site with no actual effect in the real world you are severely underestimating its massive influence on popular culture.

[Anonymous No.17706288]

>>17706078
That's easy, liberal cosmopolitan ideology. Next.

[Anonymous No.17706293]

>>17706248
Let's brainstorm ideas that can form the foundation of White identity.
>inequality is fundamentally good.
>inequality is better than equality.

[Anonymous No.17706360]

>>17706107
>There are many places online, /pol/ is the absolute gutter of the internet in any way.
/pol/ is a very good representative of white nationalism as a popular movement. If you want to seriously claim the jewish question is not a core tenet of your movement you are lying.
>Jews are a tiny minority of the world population yet control many of the institutions in many influential countries in the world. If you read into them, especially the ones that have much (hard or soft) power, they emphasize their own identity and background. Given what we know of their history, wouldn't it be very logical they assume they have some sort of in-group bias? And couldn't it also be possible that that is to the detriment of white people given that they mostly push for anti-white policies?
No it's completely illogical, all you have presented is speculation without any actual evidence.

[Anonymous No.17706369]

>>17706248
You said that calling you delusional proves your point. That means you are an idiot.

[Anonymous No.17706388]

>>17706277
>4chan/youtube/twitter.
the first is not quite like the last two methinks. Look at their alexa rankings. But anyway the point is that any 4chan board is by the nature of 4chan a shitshow of shitposting, and /pol/ specifically is targeted by all kinds of groups. There are obviously a lot of WN sentiments there but it's not what you should be looking at if you want to see that movement specifically.

[Anonymous No.17706420]

>>17706293
No no no desu you're doing it all wrong. You have to create a foundation myth, something that solidifies its precedence in the heart and soul of whitekind. Simple amoralist egoism only goes so far, you have to create a universal solvent that melds a multitude of subjects together to create a type of rhetoric that cannot be criticized. It has to be entirely ontological.

>>17706369
I hope JIDF pays you well for bumping this thread.

[Anonymous No.17706441]

>>17706277
"white nationalism" has actually been a declining movement. there used to be way way way more racism in the past and more of that wacko neo-nazi shit. it has all mostly faded away. nobody wants that shit and everyone thinks you are creepy. now "white nationalism" (it's neo-nazism) is mostly just some weirdo resentful social outcasts on the internet. possibly you may see school shootings from these creeps but it will never be a mass movement and you will always be seen by wackos by 99.999% of the people.

[Anonymous No.17706448]

>>17702558
He means, "why didn't ZE JEWZ stop it from being published?".

[Anonymous No.17706450]

>>17706277
"white nationalism" has actually been a declining "movement". there used to be way way way more racism in the past and more of that wacko neo-nazi shit. it has all mostly faded away. nobody wants that shit and everyone thinks you are creepy. now "white nationalism" (it's neo-nazism) is mostly just some weirdo resentful social outcasts on the internet. possibly you may see school shootings from these creeps but it will never be a mass movement and you will always be seen as wackos by 99.999% of the people.

[Anonymous No.17706480]

>>17706360
>/pol/ is a very good representative of white nationalism as a popular movement.
You are either retarded or disingenuous. Pol is glowniger central.
>If you want to seriously claim the jewish question is not a core tenet of your movement you are lying.
No, it's not a core tenet. A large portion of the movement considers jews white. It's not my movement, though I sympathize with them on several issues.
>No it's completely illogical, all you have presented is speculation without any actual evidence.
Read "Ciulture of Critique" if you want logical evidence.

[Anonymous No.17706654]

>>17706420
You are still delusional. You also can't argue properly.

[Anonymous No.17706659]

bumping this so i can read this thread tomorrow

[Anonymous No.17706663]

>>17706420
>It has to be entirely ontological.
little boy learned a new word

[Anonymous No.17706700]

>>17706450
Someone has been living under a rock for the past few years.
White Nationalism is absolutely on the rise. Neonazis used to be a joke, now they are a legit influential ideology and they have succeded in radicalizing a lot of young men. And with the demographic changes happening in the west at the moment, they are only going to grow stronger.

[Anonymous No.17706709]

>>17691035
>>17696436
I’m talking about “white” as an ethno-political identity. Perhaps we can talk about “the white race” in biological terms (although biologists/anthropologists don’t even agree on that). Or perhaps we can talk of the white race in linguistic terms (though that would exclude Finns, Hungarians, and Estonians who don’t speak an Indo-European language and also would include traditionally non-white people like Syrians). But to talk of “white” as an ethno-POLITICAL identity seems only to apply in America. Throughout the history of Europe there has never been a white ethno-political identity; people simply never viewed themselves in such a way. If there were, Europe would not be the continent on which most battles have been fought.
You’ve simply jumped to talking of biology and race when I’m talking about politics, then in your misunderstanding called me stupid. Nice.

[Anonymous No.17706749]

>>17706700
This is just cope. The world is not your discord group. I haven't been living under a rock I have just been comparing the present to the past the the past was much more wackier. You are just a creep to everyone else, nothing more. "White nationalism" is seen as a movement of circus freaks and basement dwellers.

[Anonymous No.17706757]

>>17706749
the US capitol has been under military occupation for over a month because of the threat of 'white nationalist violence'.

[Anonymous No.17706762]

>>17706480
>You are either retarded or disingenuous. Pol is glowniger central.
Of course you believe that. As I said, delusion is a core feature of white nationalist discourse.
>No, it's not a core tenet. A large portion of the movement considers jews white.
Who the fuck asked, we are talking about the jewish cabal conspiracy theory.

[Anonymous No.17706773]

>>17706757
LOL are you coping this hard right now or are you just messing with me?

[Anonymous No.17706780]

>>17706762
It's not a delusion that /pol/ is teeming with glowies

[Anonymous No.17706787]

>>17706773
That's the reason they have given for their military occupation, actually they call it 'white supremacist' not nationalist

[Anonymous No.17706792]

>>17706762
>Of course you believe that. As I said, delusion is a core feature of white nationalist discourse.
Hello Hasbara, I'm not a WN myself. /po/ is glowies and edgy kids, not actual WNs.
>Who the fuck asked, we are talking about the jewish cabal conspiracy theory.
No, you were talking about the WN movement, of which not nearly all believe in the jewish cabal conspiracy, though a majority believes in the cabal conspiracy

[Anonymous No.17706798]

>>17706757
ah yes the petit-bourgeois adventurists who threw a house party at the capitol who everyone saw as circus freaks this is who you see as your "movement" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA I would just end it now if I were you LOL

[Anonymous No.17706810]

>>17706798
You should tell the government they don't have to worry then, they could send all the soldiers home

[Anonymous No.17706832]

>>17706810
yeah sure bro bring those tiki torches to your house part- I mean your "insurrection" next time.

[Anonymous No.17706875]

>>17706832
You said nobody takes the threat seriously, the government takes the threat so seriously they have an unprecedented military force surrounding their capitol, they keep warning of impending threats, talking about the need to root out the WS/WN members of the armed forces, and the FBI an co consider it the greatest terrorist threat.

You are just objectively wrong about whether or not people think there is a threat

[Anonymous No.17706944]

>>17706700
>Neo Nazi actually believe this
no one likes you. Be a nationalist just fuck off with the Nazi shit mate. Every far right movement fails because media outs you all as neo nazis which you are. Mark Collett trying to start a political movement, the newspapers are already bringing up his Neo Nazi past and his nazi Girlfriend.

Now I tell my co-workers I am a nationlist I get lumped in with the nazi lot. Th general public will not join a Nazi party we fought against them. Why is this so hard for the far right to understand?

>But muh online echo-chambers
>Muh Civil War
>Muh Day of the rope

[Anonymous No.17706956]

>>17706757
Holy cope Batman. For your sake I hope you're trolling.

[Anonymous No.17706965]

>>17706956
It's direct evidence that the government of the most powerful country in the world sees WN as a threat

[Anonymous No.17706981]

>>17706875
And I am correct about that. Nothing happened at the capitol. The capitol is only symbolic and doesn't mean anything. Same with all government buildings. In regards to revolution taking over government buildings doesn't do anything. The only thing to be found in them is emptiness. Power isn't held in government buildings. There are no single locuses of power. Power is ubiquitous. You want to throw another house party at the capitol? Go ahead. I'm not worried. I had a good time laughing. You only add to the embarrassment of this joke country and making it a bigger laughing stock on the world stage. The military is there because they don't want any more jokes.

[Anonymous No.17706996]

>>17706981
This is your opinion, the opinion of the FBI, the DNC, State department, etc. is that it's a very serious threat.
>The military is there because they don't want any more jokes.
ah yes 10s of thousands of armed soldiers to prevent 'jokes'. Very nice argument

[Anonymous No.17707005]

>>17706981
Youre moving the goalposts. You just went from "no one cares" to "ok a lot of important people care, but theyre wrong to care".
I also think it's amusing that the modus operandi of the modern left is to screech "fascism" and "white supremacy" for even the most inane things, and now suddenly it's a non-issue? Sorry senpai, but it doesnt work like that.

[Anonymous No.17707012]

>>17706875
>WS/WN
They're worried about Trumptards, but they'll lump them in with undesirables like Neo-Nazis because it's a good optics for fed propaganda. That old man that blew up that telecomms center in Nashville -- there are many more like him out there. They need not be white nationalists, though they can be radicalized into that field.

[Anonymous No.17707014]

>>17706996
There are no armed soldiers at the capitol, /pol/tard. Stop huffing conspiracy bullshit.

[Anonymous No.17707019]

>>17706792
>Hello Hasbara, I'm not a WN myself. /po/ is glowies and edgy kids, not actual WNs.
And who made you the gatekeeper of white nationalism, get out of here. Stormfront was populated by half-dead grandpas before /pol/ made the ideology sexy for a younger generation, and actually managed to convert people.
>No, you were talking about the WN movement, of which not nearly all believe in the jewish cabal conspiracy, though a majority believes in the cabal conspiracy
The majority, not "a majority".

[Anonymous No.17707024]

>>17706996
Yup. Imagine this being the image of one of the most powerful countries.

[Anonymous No.17707036]

>>17707024
This was enough to have AOC piss her pants that she was the target of an assassination btw, lmao.

[Anonymous No.17707045]

>>17707024
What are you even arguing about?

[Anonymous No.17707065]

>>17706944
This post is very funny to me. After wasting my day arguing with Nazis someone jumps in the discussion accusing me of being a Nazi myself. Clearly the universe is trying to tell me something.

[Anonymous No.17707066]

>>17707014
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/03/04/capitol-police-request-extension-national-guard-protect-congress-defense-officials-say/

[Anonymous No.17707073]

>>17707019
>And who made you the gatekeeper of white nationalism
And who made you the arbiter? Retard
>The majority, not "a majority".
I'm sorry, I didn't know you were an actual grammar nazi

[Anonymous No.17707103]

>>17707073
>And who made you the arbiter? Retard
Why are you being a pedantic ass
>I'm sorry, I didn't know you were an actual grammar nazi
:facepalm:
*a* majority is not the same thing as *the* majority

[Anonymous No.17707120]

>>17707103
>:facepalm:
now the thread is over

[Anonymous No.17707121]

>>17707103
>Why are you being a pedantic ass
Only becuase you are
>*a* majority is not the same thing as *the* majority
Does it really matter? Not nearly all WN think the jews are behind it, a rather large group sees jews as fellow-whites. I couldn't tell you exactly how many, but enough.

[Anonymous No.17707143]

>>17707103
>:facepalm:
I already suspected you to be a redditor, but now im certain.
Go drink bleach

[Anonymous No.17707154]

>>17707066
those arent armed guards though, theyre basically extra police presence

[Anonymous No.17707167]

Where exactly did this thread turn into shit? What post was it?

[Anonymous No.17707190]

>>17707121
>Does it really matter? Not nearly all WN think the jews are behind it, a rather large group sees jews as fellow-whites. I couldn't tell you exactly how many, but enough.
Nigga white nationalism is just a euphimism for NeoNazis. No they don't like the Jews.

[Anonymous No.17707200]

>>17707143
>I already suspected you to be a redditor
heck no

[Anonymous No.17707203]

>>17707200
oh well carry on then
but dont do that in the future

[Anonymous No.17707206]

>>17707154
>those arent armed guards though, theyre basically extra police presence

[Anonymous No.17707212]

>>17707154
>>17707154
>those arent armed guards though
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/03/03/police-uncover-possible-plot-by-militia-to-breach-capitol/

[Anonymous No.17707336]

>>17700159
Many figures in the dissident right who are older do have kids. The only noteworthy one I can think who doesn't is Greg Johnson and that's because he's gay.

[Anonymous No.17707484]

>>17687629
It is a big misconception that race theory att would have been considered pseudo science. It was actual, accepted science and considered legit. You best compare it to the reproduction crisis recently. Where in retrograde the science which was assumed to be legit suddenly showed to have been false. As will be the case with many if not most science we currently believe to be valid. It is the circle of life/theory.

[Anonymous No.17707581]

>>17695502
Yes, the absolute retardedness of true Europeans gathering around during memorials while they themselves be chastised by demented ‘survivors’. Sickening, it is so pathetic. Just standing there filled with propaganda imposed self hatred.

[Anonymous No.17707590]

>>17707154
Leftists are liars.

[Anonymous No.17707604]

>>17707167
The first post to mention White Nationalism.

[Anonymous No.17707654]

20 Points of the American Nationalist Movement.

The American nationalist movement holds that the life of any people who do not wish to be parasites upon the world is the land. All dignity and progress hinges first on a homeland which may be developed by its people. As such, we have the following demands.

1. We demand a nation of all White Americans, on the basis of national self-determination and self-defense.

2. We demand that this nation possess enough bountiful and healthy land that it may provide for the maintenance and growth of our people.

3. We demand that Brother nations in Europe, North America and Oceania be returned to the sovereignty of their native White peoples, and all non-White peoples be expelled from these nations.

4. We demand the freedom to determine our culture and actions for ourselves, without interference from extra-national entities, and thus the withdrawal of White America from all globalist institutions.

5. We demand that only those who are of white American heritage be citizens of America. Thus, no Negroid, Mongoloid, Latino, Semitic, Amerindian, or any other non-White person may be citizens of America. These non-citizens must either be expelled or otherwise removed from American territory.

6. We demand that the right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.

[Anonymous No.17707670]

>>17707654
The American nationalist movement rejects any corrupt “liberal democratic” administration whereby men or women are appointed to posts by means of numbers or party favors, without regard to character and fitness. As such, we have the following demands.

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood.

8. We demand the institution of a Universal Basic Income, strict environmental protections, and protections for worker unions. The dignity and health of our nation will not be sold to elites by bureaucrats.

9. We demand that all citizens must possess equal rights and duties, and that citizenship not be gifted by bureaucrats, but be founded on the basis of blood, heritage, and action.

10. We demand that, because the first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically, no individual may do any work that offends against the interests of the White community or is unproductive.

11. We demand that all income which does not arise from productive work, or which harms the White American community, must be abolished. This includes the practice of making profit purely by interest and financial entrapment.

12. We demand the return of economic sovereignty to White America from the tyranny of international and cosmopolitan financial elites.

13. We demand the expulsion of those foreign companies and organizations which exploit the natural and human resources of White nations.

14. We demand that the materialist order of the world, which reduces men to numbers, culture to commodities and dismisses all spiritual value, be replaced by an American people’s order which will serve purpose and community in the American people.

[Anonymous No.17707681]

>>17707670
The American Nationalist Movement holds that the state has a duty to protect, serve and encourage its people. The state is not an economic instrument, but a social instrument which may use economic tools. As such, we have the following demands.

15. We demand that the curricula of all educational establishments be adapted to practical life, and that positive conceptions of strength, citizenship and community be taught from the beginning of a child’s education.

16. We demand that the State accept its duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing welfare centers and by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.

17. We demand the abolition of the present mercenary army and the establishment of a national people’s army, to be formed on the foundations of common citizenship and service.

18. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate anti-white propaganda. In order to make possible the creation of a White American media, we demand all journalists, editors and other members of the media of White America be White American citizens.

19. We demand that all financial interests in, or in any way affecting White media shall be forbidden to non-Whites by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the offenders from the White community.

20. We demand decisive action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a degenerate influence upon the life of our people, and that any organizations which offends against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.


In order to carry out this program we demand:
- The institution of a temporary American Reconstruction Authority with those powers necessary to heal the damage done to the White American nation
- The replacement of politicians with men of proven character and ability
- The formation of professional committees representing the many White laborers, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the Reconstruction Authority shall be carried out by and be beneficial to the people.

[Anonymous No.17707699]

>>17707654
>>17707670
>>17707681
This is my best description of my own desires. Sadly such a movement will likely never arise.

[Anonymous No.17708305]

>>17687457
>For the record, I am a "national socialist" but I am anti-capitalism, non-supremacist (all peoples deserve freedom, all peoples are important), and even pro-reparations. I agree with the left on many things. But they are currently the tools of the state.
strong agree, the left has lost all credibility by supporting these lockdowns that only benefit international finance and megacorps
I don't really mind any race, although I dislike the abrahamic religions. I support immigration if the alternative is people drowning in the mediterranean or whatever but it would be less of a problem if we could get the ZOG to stop bombing the middle east somehow

[Anonymous No.17708356]

>>17687989
>Normies don't really give a shit, and just tune out as soon as people start discussing gas chambers.
I told my normie cisgal friend that the holocaust didn't happen and she immediately agreed with me. you never know

[Anonymous No.17708933]

>>17708356
Are you SURE she's a normie, anon? I don't think normies deny the holocaust. I don't even deny the holocaust and I'm a fascist.