/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17678631]

Where the fuck did the /acc/ threads go? I was on here early 2019 and they were always really good. Now that I've finally read all this stuff it seems they have disappeared entirely from the board?

[Anonymous No.17678649]

that guy who was always shilling his book finally sold out the last of his print run, so he's moved on to other things

[Anonymous No.17678675]

>>17678631
Every time people attempt to bring up acc, there's one or two guys that just completely derail threads whining about how shitty acc is, as if they were forced somehow burdened by a thread about a topic they don't care for. It's unfortunate, but I think the worst has past. To my knowledge, they're a few guys trying to bring back the accposting. I wish them well.

[Anonymous No.17678692]

>>17678631
The trannies got to it so its now cringe.

[Anonymous No.17678723]

>>17678631
>>17678649
>>17678675
>>17678692
Going to post some good stuff from the archives:
>>/lit/thread/S12157080
>>/lit/thread/S12056787 ***
>>/lit/thread/S11823861#p11835198).).

[Anonymous No.17678726]

it was a twitter tranny thing that occasionally manifested on /lit/ and was ignored by most of the regulars (who didn't know what the fuck it was and didn't care)

"accfags" talk like >>17678675 about the persecution of "accfags" in the great "accfag" vs. /lit/ war of 20xx but truth is nobody knows what the fuck it is, i only kind of know what it is because i've seen a bunch of threads talking about it as if i should know what it is when i don't. very typical of tranny twitter tourist memes, they they set up an enclave on /lit/ and talk amongst themselves for a while and then leave because their tranny soul really belongs on discord and twitter.

[Anonymous No.17678731]

>>17678631
My memory of them in 2019/2020 is that they were not great. The times they pop up now they're actually better. People actually talk about it now and it's insightful. I remember some people associated with n1x making threads about accelerationism in 2019 or 2020 which would intentionally tell people asking to go read or fuck off, and people trying to get answers by asking more specific questions were dismissed and treated really badly. A lot of very obtuse terminology would be thrown around that goes past Nick Land's time into gender accelerationism or whatever. Point being, they were really annoying larpers who took the edge factor too seriously to the point of not wanting to talk to people in good faith. That's not a golden era I want to go back to. These days I can ask questions and actually get some worthwhile discussion going on which is so much better, even if the threads are rarer. Excessive spam is never a good thing, anon, and it was getting to those levels in 2019.

[Anonymous No.17678753]

>>17678631
Real life has moved past that point now. It was fun in 2019-20 but that time is up now.

[Anonymous No.17678763]

>>17678753
By real life you mean the flavor of the month discussion topic on some social media site lol

[Anonymous No.17678780]

>>17678763
The increase in homework from middle school to highschool

[smoker !HOZlQYR1MY No.17678822]

>>17678763
No, I think the anon meant that events taking place IRL (e.g. rona-chan and jan 6) were so obviously the stupidest of acc events to take place that the posters just gave up. Just like tankies predict the collapse of capitalism to usher in the new era, acc thought the same, but history keeps pushing forward, unrelenting and unwilling to give us anything useful, so the threads died.

[Anonymous No.17678823]

>>17678763
No. It was tried, twice in fact, and the idiots pushing for collapsing everything proved they can't handle even the littlest bit of stress. Would rather stay in their cage with blacked porn and bing bing wahoo than stand up and fight for their people's freedom

[Anonymous No.17678830]

>>17678822
Yeah, these plus also some of the mass shootings before but to a smaller extent.

[Anonymous No.17678832]

>>17678822
How are corona and jan6 acc events? They are meme theater

[smoker !HOZlQYR1MY No.17678845]

>>17678832
>They are meme theater
That is why I called them the "stupidest of acc events"

[Anonymous No.17678851]

>>17678822
What do corona or the capitol shit even have to do with acc
And I don't think any accelerationist thinks capitalism is collapsing in any near future

[Anonymous No.17678855]

>>17678845
acc is acceleration of gabidalism right? corona if anything is a giant tamper on capitalism and jan6 is simply entirely irrelevant

[smoker !HOZlQYR1MY No.17678881]

>>17678851
>>17678855
My thought was that the pandemic has furthered the wealth gap and corporations like amazon and wallmart of made billions of dollars above and beyond their normal profit margins. A perpetual consolidation only available because of the series of events mixed with technological advances. The continuation of corporate influence gaining more and more power at an exponential rate. I'd think it would be a great topic for /acc/ discussion, but I guess the regular posters from 2019 thought it got too real and stopped posting. Or maybe just got bored because no one took the bait anymore.

[Anonymous No.17678887]

>>17678855
The next minor meme event was the reddit short squeeze, the first of many I predict

[Anonymous No.17678889]

>>17678881
>he pandemic has furthered the wealth gap and corporations like amazon and wallmart of made billions of dollars above and beyond their normal profit margins.
Yeah but how is this 'capitalism' when it was caused by the government forcing half the population to not work and printing a bunch of money

[Anonymous No.17678910]

Did this nigga really think himself into suicide? Sometimes ignorance is really bliss

[Anonymous No.17678909]

Can someone refresh my memory, what were /acc/ threads again?

[smoker !HOZlQYR1MY No.17678947]

>>17678889
The esoteric definition of capitalism and baiting me into a long back and forth about adam smith isn't really the point of this thread, is it? We could talk about neoliberalism and the affinity of the government to bail out corporations or we could talk about how the market adapted to a specific stimuli of the pandemic, but in the end the thing has occurred and the resulting inferences and facts can be assumed from it.
>>17678909
Not going to give a definition myself because it'll obviously be counter nitpicked, but here's the wiki entry.
>In political and social theory, accelerationism is the idea that capitalism and technological change should be accelerated. Accelerationism may also mean that capitalism and its negative processes should be accelerated in order to trigger revolt and the implementation of a new system.
Basically acc threads were memeing nick land and mark fisher and the whole ccru thing. Thick tomes of prose laden 'philosophy' from the 90s, split into a billion smaller off shoots in the age of identity ideology.

[Anonymous No.17678960]

>>17678947
>The esoteric definition of capitalism and baiting me into a long back and forth about adam smith isn't really the point of this thread, is it? We could talk about neoliberalism and the affinity of the government to bail out corporations or we could talk about how the market adapted to a specific stimuli of the pandemic, but in the end the thing has occurred and the resulting inferences and facts can be assumed from it.
lmao what? It's not esoteric whatsoever, the government locking down its citizens and printing money with a central bank is not capitalism

You can't just call every single thing that happens in society capitalism, have a shred of fucking nuance will you

[Anonymous No.17679019]

wait a bit, covid skyrocketed metadata, online corps and tech companies. imagine all the dead local shops from grocery stores to clubs. once covid restrictions go away we will behold a reassembling of culture so weird it will change everything. lmao

[smoker !HOZlQYR1MY No.17679048]

>>17678960
Are there not still people that own capital and extract value from the workers? To say that the governments intervention 'isn't capitalism' and poisons the entire operating economy into being 'not capitalism' is a little absurd, anon. Nuance isn't really a useful tool in this analysis because at this point youre just trying to steer the conversation to the particular topics of railing against the repercussions of the virus. How many /pol/ charts do you have at the ready?

[Anonymous No.17679058]

>>17678822
The important events are that bitcoin hit $60,000, but when it fell to around 45,000 monero stayed wrong around 200. They're decoupling.
Additionally the gov is talking about banning monero because they can't track it, while at the same time proposing to make their own crypto backed dollar coin. "Collapse" looks like capital without states not people in the streets.

[spoilers] xmr/btc atomic swaps go live this fall. stack while you still have time ladies

[Anonymous No.17679075]

>>17678851
The state actors orchestrating the capitol siege from behind tge scenes may be familiar to you from 9/11. The FBI, fort bragg psyops teams behind qanon, joint special operations command, the legal figure of the insurgent, the imperial core itself comes to be administered by the tactics of colonial warfare. Weaving a synthetic mythology capable of uniting the myriad tribes: flyover evangelicals orthodox jews from brooklyn, cubans from miami, delegations from the falun gong and the taiwanese, transgender militiawomen.Alex Jones obviously works for FEMA and the continuity of government program established by colonel north in the 80s, bohemian groove, wargames, john podesta's self consciously hokey obsession with UFOs and the satanism. A valorization of fakeness for its own sake. Wokeness and identity politics are really just the old british tactic of indirect governance: vesting authority on 'traditional communities' which are actually modern constructs.

[Anonymous No.17679086]

>>17679048
>d extract value from the workers?
It's a bit hard to extract value from them if you prevent them from working

[Anonymous No.17679102]

>>17678723

[Anonymous No.17679104]

>>17679075
Warburgian art historian switching between slides of jerry rubin with his carboard AK47 and the siege of the capitol next to r crumb's fritz the cat as compared with furry vore inflation porn. Talking about survivals and iconicity.

[Anonymous No.17679130]

>>17679075
where do i read more

[smoker !HOZlQYR1MY No.17679178]

>>17679086
And yet amazon and grocery stores and other big businesses are raking in billions!

[Anonymous No.17679196]

>>17679178
Yeah because they were not affected by the lockdowns, the lockdowns themselves are still interfering with capitalism, they are literally preventing it from occurring for a very large portion of workers and capital owners

[smoker !HOZlQYR1MY No.17679202]

>>17679196
Very acc, don't you think?

[Anonymous No.17679209]

>>17679202
No not very acc at all, it is a literal de-acceleration of the capitalist economy

[Anonymous No.17679215]

>>17678947
Ah right, it was about accelerationism, I remember now. Thanks. Those threads boomed after the christ church shooting and then again with the war scare. They certainly have died down, or at least I don't see them much anymore. Ted Kaczynski has become mainstream these last few years, so maybe they might resurface but I never interpreted his ideology as explicitly accelerationist although it could be interpreted as that. I think the theory of accelerationism was retarded, it assumes humans wouldn't just cope in worse conditions; it theoretically makes sense as a means of spurring action to a budding problem but it's overly optimistic in how those problems would be interpreted and dealt with. It's an ideology adopted by degenerates who think being a faggot is a way to resist the system because if everyone starts being faggots people will start to pay attention to faggotry. It's the lazy man's activism at best and a dangerous cope at worse. Ironically, accelerationist contradict themselves because they condone further degeneration under the assumption that people will act when it "gets really bad", we could be at rock bottom and the accelerationist will look out their window and go "once things get worse, people will start to wake up!"

[Anonymous No.17679220]

>>17679209
It's an even huger transfer of wealth to the megacorps.

[Anonymous No.17679226]

>>17678855
accelerationists often believe that capitalism is self contradictory and heading towards collapse. capitalist logic allowing the unrestricted spread of a virus up to the point where people can no longer go to work is an example of a contradiction in capitalism.

[Anonymous No.17679234]

>>17679220
Capitalism is not 'transferring wealth to megacorps by any means whatsoever', it is a system of wage labor
>>17679226
The government decided 'people can no longer work', they easily could be working anyway

[Anonymous No.17679618]

>>17679234
the governments decided that in order to protect the interests of capital....

[Anonymous No.17679647]

>>17679618
>the interests of capital....
The interest of whose capital? A specific group of people, not 'capital' in some abstract sense, it decreased the capital of many capitalists, and it objectively stopped the actual process of capitalism from happening over a large portion of the economy.

[Anonymous No.17679650]

>>17679234
The government did that so Mr Shlomoberg and George Sorostein wouldn't die of corona and stop paying them

[Anonymous No.17679668]

>>17679647
the alternative would have had a much greater negative impact on capital

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.17679701]

everyone realized that acceleration isn't a just a funny esoteric meme, it's a fact of the universe and it's extremely painful (for you). it's a lot easier and more comforting to just think about something else instead.
>>17678822
history? what history?

[Anonymous No.17679753]

>>17679668
No it wouldn't have, locking down completely fucked up the economy

[Anonymous No.17679775]

>>17679753
yes thats what happens when there is a deadly virus lol. not locking down would also have fucked the economy since people would not have access to health services in many countries & would essentially be risking their lives just by commuting.

[Anonymous No.17679788]

>>17679775
>deadly virus
a small amount of old and fat people die, there are entire countries that have barely done anything at all in terms of lockdown

[Anonymous No.17679794]

cosmotechnics threads were good

[Anonymous No.17679799]

>>17679794
girardfag was a nice guy, i wonder what he's up to

trannies need to fuck off though. i hope girardfag isn't a tranny...

[Anonymous No.17679812]

>>17679788
those countries dont have high rates of infection

[Anonymous No.17679813]

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[Anonymous No.17679833]

>>17679812
half of them don't even have the means to test their rates of infection and in the very worst hit countries the death rate is still negligible. The virus could be an entire order of magnitude more deadly than it is and it still would not matter at all. The idea that the lockdowns are to 'protect capital' is fucking ridiculous

[Anonymous No.17679846]

>>17679812
>>17679833
Or they don't bother testing people with no symptoms because they understand this isn't something worth losing your shit over?

[smoker !HOZlQYR1MY No.17679855]

>>17679701
buberfly, why don't you just tell me the trap you're pulling me into instead of baiting the question?

[Anonymous No.17679865]

>>17679196
>>17678960
Where do you get this idea from? Regulatory capture is an inherent part of capitalism. Its not 'duh gubbermint' forcing lockdowns its politicians that are owned by and working on behalf of capital.

[Anonymous No.17679879]

>>17679865
>working on behalf of capital
Why do you think capital is some entity you can work on behalf of? There are actual specific people and groups who are getting rich from these lockdowns, some are capitalists, some are government entities. There are many capitalists who are not benefiting from this at all. Forcing people to not work is impossible to describe as capitalism in any sense.

[Anonymous No.17679919]

>>17679879
>Why do you think capital is some entity you can work on behalf of? There are actual specific people and groups who are getting rich from these lockdowns, some are capitalists, some are government entities. There are many capitalists who are not benefiting from this at all. Forcing people to not work is impossible to describe as capitalism in any sense
He said in an acc thread.

[Anonymous No.17679922]

>>17679879
>capital is some entity you can work on behalf of?
For all intents and purposes it may as well be, when you're talking about the actual power players. Money/capital behaves much more like an autonomous intelligent entity than a collection of people with separate goals and identities. You could look at it as them all relinquishing their individual selves to meld into Capital, the hyperorganism. In any case, the anthropocene ended a while ago and the capitalocene is well upon us (though still in relatively very early stages).

[Anonymous No.17679947]

>>17679922
>For all intents and purposes it may as well be, when you're talking about the actual power player
No it really isn't. It is a group of individual people who compete and conspire with each other as well as with non-capitalist powers like the state.
>behaves like an autonomous intelligent entity
No it doesn't. It's a set of distinct groups of assholes running scams, and again they are not all capitalist structures, there are other forms of power.

[Anonymous No.17679953]

>>17678631
>early 2019
>really good
Hahahaha

[Anonymous No.17679985]

>>17679794
Pretty desperate accfag

[Anonymous No.17680017]

>>17679833
the rates of hospitalization are the issue not the death rate. it means that people are more likely to die for other reasons since so many hospital resources are being used to treat coronavirus.

[Anonymous No.17680026]

>>17679947
Fucking exactly! We are just a collection of competing cells which combine to make organs, a circulatory, and endocrine system. Pretending like there's some kind of greater intellegence that emerges out of the sum of them is naïve and facile.

[Anonymous No.17680049]

>>17679075
>bohemian groove
This has to be the most kino typographical error of all time

[Anonymous No.17680056]

>>17680017
This hasn't happened anywhere, there is no huge death surge anywhere in the world this year regardless of lockdown policy

[Anonymous No.17680071]

>>17680026
The complexity of organisms evolved over billions of years due to natural selection, using it as a metaphor for civilization is facile and clarifies nothing about how the structures of power actually function.

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[Anonymous No.17680076]

>>17680056
name a country with good healthcare services that didn't lock down lmao

[Anonymous No.17680088]

>>17680076
Sweden, and if every single country did lock down then you would have no control that would prove that a country that didn't lockdown would be overwhelmed.

[Anonymous No.17680089]

>>17680071
Ya, that's what I'm saying man. Glad we're on the same page here :)

[Anonymous No.17680161]

>>17679947
Capital reproduces itself but we increasingly do not reproduce ourselves. The wealthiest, or most capitalist, countries have the worst fertility rates, the poorest evolutionary fitness. They are part of the reproductive system of a kind of inorganic life, machines, capital itself. The poorer countries, being less developed and more organic, retain more anti-democratic, pre-capitalist social norms, like larger family sizes, authoritarian governments, tribal affiliations, theistic religion, etc. Relative to more capitalist countries they are almost like a sort of human reservation, even when being exploited by the former. Capital may not be alive like a dog or a squirrel but it is an observable order which networks and harnesses resources to propagate itself. You can't reduce billions of lives to decisions of a few assholes. That's basically a version of the great man theory, which is an absurd first-causal explanation which mistakes a level of intensity for a pure agency. The assholes are like wasps to a flower, spreading pollen. We can't leave out the flower in explaining the pollen.

[Anonymous No.17680210]

>>17680161
Why do leftists just make shit up like this

[Anonymous No.17680240]

>>17680210
I'm just glossing Deleuze and Land for (You)'s; don't mind me. I do like the idea of capital as skynet using us to build it from the future. Capital is driven by promised return on investment, which is a form of prophecy. Capitalists are oracular. They are also Terminators eliminating any rival loyalties.

[Anonymous No.17680242]

>>17680089
No we are not on the same page, you are a gigantic retard whose view of reality is literally based on 'hurr durr it an organism'

[Anonymous No.17680252]

>>17680088
they have restrictions and they have fuck all cases. countries have had their health services overwhelmed even WITH a lockdown (Netherlands, for example, had to offload patients to Germany via airlift)

[Anonymous No.17680308]

>>17680252
If this virus were actually dangerous then third world countries would be collapsing from it, it's not

[Anonymous No.17680325]

>>17680161
>>17680210
It's just accfag arguing with himself.

[Anonymous No.17680408]

>>17680242
I was just doing my best to explain why these people are ridiculous. who could honestly belive that there's a transcendental process of intelligence accumulation. I don't understand why are you getting so hostile.

[Anonymous No.17680451]

>>17680408
You drew an equivalence between natural selection's creation of complexity and whatever unclear but obviously much cruder process creates the complexity we see in civilization, there is no equivalent to cells and tissues and circulatory systems and brains and so in a civilization, there is no reproductive bottleneck, no genome. It's a comparison that doesn't bear more than a moment of poetic reflection, there is no structural similarity between the two at all.

[Anonymous No.17680507]

ah yes, i too fondly remember the cosmotechnics threads. although for my taste they were a bit too fast (i was working full-time at the time), and the schizoposting was sometimes getting out of hand but it was very enjoyable. remember seeing girardfag around a few times after that but as of late no encounters. in general , i think acc was a fad that got lost as it got adopted by twitter trannies that did not actually read anything and just created their own version of /acc while memeing about it and imposing certain teloi that simply weren't inherent to the ideas as a while, thus driving away people genuinely interested in the concepts and sort of derailing the whole movement, if you can even call it such. there's still a couple discords around, but they too have been invaded by those kinds of people, rendering them largely useless.

[Anonymous No.17680518]

>>17680451
Naw bro. I agreed with you. Civilization is definitely a new phenomenon that arrived after and not alongside people. It is absolutely a separate process that originates later on and isn't oriented by capital.

[Anonymous No.17680548]

>>17680451
>there is no equivalent to cells and tissues and circulatory systems and brains
It's turtles all the way down

[Anonymous No.17680556]

what is a body without organs

[Anonymous No.17680593]

>>17680518
You're way too stupid for this. Civilization emerged a good deal after modern humans, there are still humans that don't have civilization at all, they live in simple tribes with rudimentary tools. You have also learned to repeat like a parrot that civilization is 'oriented by capital', which you would be incapable of actually explaining coherently, but which if it means anything means that capitalism, the economic form, influences other parts of civilization.

None of that is even related to my point, which was that you can't use the organism metaphor because the structures and processes are not the same at all.

[Anonymous No.17680633]

>>17679058
>xmr/btc atomic swaps go live this fall. stack while you still have time ladies
what does this mean? I've largely ignored crypto

[Anonymous No.17680670]

>>17680507
What’s hilarious is that the twitter trannies completely ignore the l/acc writers who encapsulated their position in the first place, in favor of swarming Land’s replies to meme and getting him to insult them.

[Anonymous No.17680689]

>>17680633
It means you will be able to trade bitcoin for monero without going to an exchange. All the bitcoin millionaires can then easily move to a currency that can't be tracked or taxed. Expect monero to go way up and the government to be really mad about it.

[Anonymous No.17680692]

>>17680670
To be fair Land's quality of writing nowadays justifies the kind of traffic he gets.

[Anonymous No.17680702]

>>17680507
>cosmotechnics threads
Lmao this reddit shill

[faggotron5000 !!R+So4v/64oE No.17680732]

>>17680556
what is a cock without balls?

[Anonymous No.17680754]

>>17680593
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[Anonymous No.17681601]

>>17679209
Holy shit nigger, just because acc never directly mention Hegel doesnt mean you have to become completely ignorant of the dialectical method of understanding things. Corona-chan can easily be understood as accelerationist, you just dont want to hear that.

[Anonymous No.17681612]

>>17681601
You will interpret literally everything and everything that happens as 'the dialectic of capitalism' regardless of how much it has to do with the specific form of economic organization the word is supposed to describe.

[Anonymous No.17681658]

>>17681612
capital =/= capitalism
Acc fags are after something beyond the capitalist mode of production any way, so if your argument is "but it's not capitalism" then you've already conceded that they are correct.

[Anonymous No.17681664]

>>17681612
yes. I approach the subject philosophically and not like an economics 101 textbook, thats correct. What’s your point?

[Anonymous No.17681798]

>>17681664
>>17681658
it's a circular argument, you just say that everything that occurs is because of capital

[Anonymous No.17681817]

>>17681798
You are so correct it hurts

[Anonymous No.17681831]

>>17680161
Wtf is "capital" in practical terms ? isn't it literlly now just a bunch of number's in some cunts bank account that decide if they can leverage the state's violence monopoly (police) to protect their property ?

[Anonymous No.17681904]

>>17681798
yes. the difference is only in its degree of prevalence; to call a lesser degree “anti capitalist” is only rhetorical.

[Anonymous No.17681963]

>>17681904
You may as well just talk about 'power' or just go all the way and discuss the demiurge at that point.

[Anonymous No.17682029]

>>17681963
>demiurge
yes. that is exactly what we are talking about; Just from a 21st century individual’s learning standpoint and not of a neoplatonist christian’s in thebes.

[Anonymous No.17682177]

>>17678631
https://deontologistics.co/2018/02/18/ofta-so-accelerationism-whats-all-that-about/

[Anonymous No.17682573]

well given the longevity of our transsexual friends I reckon most of the posters in that thread have moved on

[Anonymous No.17682624]

>>17678631
Election came and passed as a marker for opening up or locking down more

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17682685]

>>17678631