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17673032 No.17673032 [Reply] [Original]

Don Quixote, was it the first postmodern novel or not?

>> No.17673064

>>17673032
No, I don't think so. But then again, I've never read it nor do I know what it is about.

>> No.17673078

Postmodernity sprung post Modernity, that did itself spring, full-grown, from the spent wankrag loin of Pounds of Joy and scribblers of Kitty Kat Frolickings

>> No.17673098

remember, the map is not the territory no matter what they tell you

>> No.17673111

>>17673032

The character of Quixote himself probably can be considered one of the first ones to fully depict an individual living under that thing others call the "postmodern condition", but Cervantes' style is hardly postmodern in itself.

>> No.17673122

>>17673032
It could be considered so with Cervantes stroking his own dick through Donnie's madness.

>> No.17673130

>>17673111
Why must everything lose its innocence to the modern world?

>> No.17673141

>>17673032
Yes.

>> No.17673154

Spaniard here, this book is retarded, and moreso are the people who praise it

>> No.17673163

>>17673064
Based answer.

>> No.17673168

>>17673154
Not an argument.

>> No.17673179

>>17673064
I wish more posters were this honest

>> No.17673191

>>17673154
What, spainboy, would you recommend instead? Arabian nights?

>> No.17673236

>>17673032
>Was this book which was written hundreds of years before modernism even existed the first postmodern novel?
60 IQ thread.

>> No.17674252

>>17673154
Basado

t. beaner

>> No.17674356
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>>17673032
What you think as posmodernism is actually the Baroque poetics at display. Pic related.

>> No.17674590

>>17673111
This is the best answer to the question. The effect of the unauthorized sequel on the character before Cervantes decided to write it is undeniably postmodern, but it would be pretty bold to suggest that Cervantes was primarily focused on trying to test the bounds of the medium, or act in a "postmodern" way.

>> No.17674593

>>17674356
post-modernism is closer to the traditional European worldview in many ways. The only real breaking point is the anti-White shit, and even that is more tact on to post-modernism than a necessary component.

>> No.17674697

>>17673236
You clearly haven't read the book. It really is postmodern in pretty much every conceivable way. Its characters, its plot, the way it is written, even its setting. I still can't believe Cervantes wrote it in the early 1600's. Its unlike anything else pre-1940. It's even different from his other books. Get off your ass and go read it anon

>> No.17674720

>>17674593
In some ways yeah, but the signifiers of the pre-industrial world weren't commercially fabricated or non-complimentary. The things people concerned themselves with were in alignment and natural in origin.

>> No.17674748

>>17673032
Yes, but independently and unintentionally. It's the first novel to contain mostly postmodern elements but its isn't necessarily the predecessor to all postmodern lit.

>> No.17675547

>>17673098
can u elaborate please

>> No.17675560

>>17674593
>the anti-White shit
The anti-white shit is just an application of the post modern perspective, it is not a part of it.

>> No.17675582

>>17673032
if by postmodern you mean self-aware, yes. The narrator breaks the 4th wall, talks shit about contemporary writers indirectly, gives advice on writing, and constantly refers to itself as a translation of another work.

>> No.17675818

>>17673064
Fpbp

>> No.17676886

>>17674697
I did read it, in the original language. It has elements later associated with postmodernism, but it's not postmodern. You don't know what postmodernism means.

>> No.17676954

>>17673032
I'm almost done reading the first book, does it have a point beyond satirizing le olde myths and tales of yore?
It's pretty consistently funny and while I admit that I only know a few of the chivalry tales he keeps referencing, I find myself struggling to find any deeper meaning to the whole thing, which is surprising considering it's a 700 page behemoth

>> No.17676972

>>17673032
imagine having an iq low enough to even ask this question

>> No.17676997

>>17673154
Weak b8, 2/8

>> No.17677004

>>17676954
The meaning comes in part 2, relax and have fun

>> No.17677061

>>17677004
ok, thank you anon

>> No.17677474

If 4chan was honest

>> No.17677723

>>17673154
Even the books it makes fun of are less retarded

>> No.17677785

is post modernism a meme or am i newfag