/wg/-Writing General - Tolstoy Edition

[Anonymous No.17670157]

Any progress on your novels?

previous thread:>>17660864

For Prose:
>The Art of Fiction
>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)
>On Becoming A Novelist
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft

For Poetry:
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry

Related Material:
>What Editors Do
>A Student's Introduction to English Grammar
>Garner's Modern English Usage

Suggested books on storytelling:
>The Weekend Novelist
>Aristotle's Poetics
>Hero With a Thousand Faces
>Romance the Beat

Suggested books on getting your fucking work done you lazy piece of shit:
>Deep Work
>Atomic Habits

Traditional publishing
> Formatting manuscript
https://blog.reedsy.com/manuscript-format/
> Write a query
https://www.janefriedman.com/query-letters/
> Track your query
https://querytracker.net/

Other Resources
>General grammar/syntax/editing help
https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/purdue_owl.html
> When/where/how should I write?
https://jamesclear.com/daily-routines-writers
> What software should I write with?
https://self-publishingschool.com/book-writing-software-best/
> Amazon Publishing to make that KDP monie
https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200635650
> Be like Charles Dickens and write serially
https://www.royalroad.com/
> Basic overview of the Screenplay format
https://screenwriting.info/

[Anonymous No.17670175]

Any thoughts on my Substack guys? Not sure how to go about doing this, and it doesn't look like anyone has fucked with Substack here. You don't have to input your email to read my stuff, but you can choose to subscribe if you like it. I plan on dropping a 2-3k words per week about my experiences while travelling:

>https://goodperson.substack.com/

[Anonymous No.17670186]

[Anonymous No.17670250]

>>17670186
And? Are you writing for recognition or for the passion.
>>17670157
>For Prose:
The books listed under are they a meme like On Writing or do they actually give you advice on sentence structure, rhythm etc

[Anonymous No.17670300]

>>17670186
>hack capitalising on old book
>hack continuing cash cow series
>hack serving new Hollywood masters
>hack cashing in on black women Booker bait
>hack continuing cash cow series

who's surprised, honestly?

[Anonymous No.17670303]

If you spend more hours writing than reading, you’re never gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.17670336]

>>17670303
Nah, you can spend a bit more. It is important to read and write everyday though.

[Anonymous No.17670339]

>>17668962
>>17669071
I made it soulless. Now critique me.

[Anonymous No.17670342]

>>17670303
>prioritizes study over practice
ngmi

[Anonymous No.17670347]

>>17670342
How can you practice the art of writing without having studied it deeply and judiciously? The fact that writing has always been about paying homage to what mastery preceded it makes it stand out to painting or music.

[Anonymous No.17670384]

I remember an Anon once said read your favourite writers and rewrite their texts. I want to do this. But is it just mindlessly copying their works or doing other things.

[Anonymous No.17670395]

>>17670384
Don't rewrite the author word-for-word. Do like what I did here >>17662108 This was a rewrite of the first couple hundred words of A Game of Thrones.

[Anonymous No.17670396]

>>17670384
of course not you silly little boy. rewrite their stories in your own words. like when a band covers someone else's song. The point isn't to copy them, it's a way to teach yourself why authors do the things that they do.

[Anonymous No.17670424]

>>17670384
I take the opposite view of the other anons. Copy the wording used by good authors, but write original stories.

[Anonymous No.17670453]

hello /wg/, I jokingly told my friend that writing a light novel/web novel in japanese would be an easy way to make some cash a few days ago, but now when I come to think of it writing a story sounds really fun even though I've never written one before. so, what would you recommend to a complete beginner like me? should I just say fuck it and start writing? read the recommended books in the op? outline a story and then start writing? or a mix of everything?
thanks in advance

[Anonymous No.17670470]

>>17670453
Watch Sanderson's lectures on YouTube. He teaches to people who haven't ever thought of becoming a writer. He's good enough as a starter, especially when his works are always compared to anime.

[Anonymous No.17670554]

there is nothing to do but wait for a response from the magazine editor. what do?

[Anonymous No.17670562]

>>17670554
>just write

[Anonymous No.17670580]

>>17670186
>John Grisham is still alive
Shocking desu

[Anonymous No.17670593]

>>17670554
Read what you like

[Anonymous No.17670633]

Decided to fuck around and write a Notes from Underground parody about a seething college socialists/anarchist. I'm 2k words in and I'm trying to strike a balance where it's obviously a pisstake but actual seething college anarchists would believe it. What do you think?

https://pastebin.com/sMxyK4Y0

[Anonymous No.17670635]

I know the answer, but may as well throw it out and ask;

>MC is searching for the 'Hands of God', tools that God used at creation to make everything
This is anime-level cliché cringe, right?
I like the idea, and want to expand on it, but I think I'm a little embarrassed to have something like it in my portfolio, as though I'm some sort of amazing already established writer

[Anonymous No.17670660]

>>17670635
Not at all.

Besides. There's anime and anime. Nobody will shit on you for being the brains behind Attack on Titan, or Your Name, or most of Studio Ghibli stuff. It might be a meme here but what isn't lol

[Anonymous No.17670665]

>>17670635
>confident enough to consider themselves an established writer
>gives a fuck about reader perception
What are you worried about? Just write
And so long as you have a loved series to fall back on you can't really go wrong

[Anonymous No.17670834]

This is 3195 words. It's fantasy. Critiques needed.

[Anonymous No.17670953]

>>17670660
>Attack on Titan, or Your Name
terrible examples

[Anonymous No.17670959]

>>17670834
Your narrative is very good but your main character's dialogue is not very good. Unfortunately, critique on dialogue is hard to give beyond "I don't believe it." It's close, but not quite there for me.

[Anonymous No.17671006]

I'm struggling with maintaining my main stories voice and it's burning me out . I'm gonna try and do flashes whenever I don't feel like battling my main story

[Anonymous No.17671038]

>>17670633
Very entertaining. You need to review some grammar, though. There were nouns that weren't capitalised. Full stops should have been used in place of a comma in quite a few lines.

[Anonymous No.17671042]

>>17670157
Writing is just so fucking hard, I never finish anything and when I write everything ends up being complete and utter shit with no real structure, coming up with an ending is also hard, the stories always end up clunky and terrible, why is it so fucking hard. I swear I could write once. I might give up, and try to read more.

[Anonymous No.17671083]

>>17670959
When you say dialogue, do you mean like this (another thing I wrote) >>17662108 or like this anon's? >>17669451

Or do you just literally mean wherever is in the speech marks?

[Anonymous No.17671146]

>>17670953
Why?

[Anonymous No.17671192]

>>17671042
Did you practice for 10,000 hours yet?

[Anonymous No.17671238]

If I put so much effort into lore and worldbuilding into a society descended from pre-Collapse Dionysus worshippers who wandered onto another planet in a drunken stupor, and just plopped them into a shared universe with another god that I just made up, will people accept it?

[Anonymous No.17671279]

>Any progress on your novels?

Chugging away on third book for 'After Megiddo', a post (Biblical) Armageddon in a universe populated by ascended Humans and Anforms (sentient robots), Angels and Demons, science and magic, and many many strange things in between. I can link to Royal road if anyone is curious. Pic related is a recently commissioned illustration of one of the main characters.

[Anonymous No.17671287]

>>17671279
good choice of artist
has a very soulful early sci-fi aesthetic

[Anonymous No.17671304]

I’m reading Anna Karenina right now and I am constantly awestruck by his prose. Yesterday I had an emotionally charged interaction with a Russian woman and I was pleased with myself when I attempted to write our conversation in his style.

[Anonymous No.17671342]

Seven chapters of Wish Mountain are out. A full arc is complete. Next arc gets underway sometime next week (it's with the editor).

To the anon that said my writing improved in the previous thread, thank ye kindly.

[Anonymous No.17671380]

>>17671287
Thank you. An author friend had worked with him in the past and recommended him to me. I'm blown away by how he can somehow see inside my head based on vague descriptions.

[Anonymous No.17671392]

>>17671342
>He forgot his link

[Anonymous No.17671394]

>>17671279
That's great!

[Anonymous No.17671400]

>>17671392
Nah I mindtricked you. You see by leaving it you ask for it, thus I deliver it and get to post more in the thread about my story.

True story.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/37998/wish-mountain

[Anonymous No.17671442]

>>17671400

[Anonymous No.17671460]

How long did you spend on your drafts before you started writing?

[Anonymous No.17671475]

>>17671460
You can't "draft" without writing though

[Anonymous No.17671510]

>>17671460
Do you mean outlines? Drafting is part of writing. I don't do physical outlines; I have an objective in my head and I write towards it. I sometimes spend over an hour to get out 250 words.

[Anonymous No.17671522]

>>17671042
Structure is definitely hard for me, but the best way I deal with it is coming up with an ending before hand. Write down how the story starts and how it ends, and then figure out how to get from point A to point B. It helps with the structure. Then go back and iron it out with a good edit.

[Anonymous No.17671529]

>chapter is 3,000 words
>too short
>write an additional scene
>it's now 6,000 words
>too fucking long

[Anonymous No.17671536]

>>17671529
How is 3k too short? That's how long my chapters are

[Anonymous No.17671547]

>>17671529
How is 6k too long? The chapter should be as long as the scenes within it demand. Unless this is like a novelette or something?

[Anonymous No.17671548]

>>17671547
Are novelletes supposed to have chapters? Oh, shit...

[Anonymous No.17671557]

>>17671548
Dude are you okay

[Anonymous No.17671584]

>>17671475
>>17671510
My bad, I mean an outline. It used to be that I could write for hours, but now I'm stuck just figuring out an ending to complement my opening.

[Anonymous No.17671585]

>>17670175
I don't understand substack. It lacks and identity as a platform. Some use it like medium but with more control and a different content delivery mechanism. But it's billed as a newsletter platform, a means of communicating news and updates. Tying it to an email address also asks the reader for a level of commitment to your posts that not everyone will assent to. Presumably however if you have no subscribers, your substack won't be promoted by the algorithms and will sink to the bottom of the pile invisible.

[Anonymous No.17671586]

>>17671547
Depends on your goals. I don't particularly like arbitrary chapter divides but 6k is quite long. I used to write 6k chapters and it felt right in the moment but in editing they definitely needed cutting in half or taking a lot out. It's something that you need to think about if you want to get traditionally published but doesn't really matter otherwise.

[Anonymous No.17671616]

>>17671529
3000 isn't too short. My chapters aim for ~2300, which is about a 10 minute reading session. The shorter they are, the more manageable they make your book for the reader. People usually don't stop reading in the middle of a chapter.

[Anonymous No.17671651]

>>17671557
I’ve written five novellas/novelletes and I didn’t put any chapters in them, I thought you weren’t supposed to

[Anonymous No.17671655]

>>17671651
You don't have to if you don't want to.

[Anonymous No.17671669]

>>17671529
Sounds like you get 2x chapters if you split it right.

[Anonymous No.17671674]

>>17671586
My novel has chapters as long as 10k and it flows at a pretty easy pace. But then again, I'm writing more at a traditional length of 80k+ for a full novel, which is usually considered a minimum.

In my view, having a glut of chapters in a shorter overall word-count often makes scenes feel rushed and choppy. Extend scenes to the necessary length to fully flesh them out and forget word-counts. I have very short chapters as well, maybe only 4-5k words because the scene within it is self-contained and demands special attention.

6k is not long at all, it's relatively average in terms of length. Unless, like I said before, you're writing some kind of novelette.

[Anonymous No.17671756]

>go to the library
>pick up a book about John Williams called "The Man Who Wrote the Perfect Novel"
Will reading this make me more excited and inspired to write or will I lose heart because I'll never be John Williams?

[Anonymous No.17671759]

>>17671651
You don't need to if the story doesn't demand it.

[Anonymous No.17671768]

>>17671756
You'll also never be Stephen King or Brandon Sanderson. So there's an upside to it.

[Anonymous No.17671777]

>>17671768
I certainly don't do enough drugs to ever be Stephen King

[Anonymous No.17671818]

Probably not the right thread but I didn't want to open a new one for this and you guys probably know. I'm programming a dialogue tree parser and I'm trying to come up with a name for something.
Let's say that a character speaks, but his speech is split into three paragraphs. As an optimization I want to condense the paragraphs into one single segment, while keeping a piece of metadata showing that they are three different blocks of text, just compressed.

The problem is that I don't know how to name this structure. Is there any name used in linguists to describe either
>a number of paragraphs sharing a common topic
>a character's speech, split into paragraphs

I was thinking of paragraph block, paragraph section, dialogue sequence but maybe there's a better name that already exists.

[Anonymous No.17671876]

>>17671585
Really, I'm still not sure about it. I used to post my writing on my website and would check the metadata the day after and notice I got like 100 downloads. Now, I go into Substack's backend and it's like...2 people clicked the link. It definitely doesn't lend itself well as a medium for discovery.

That being said, it's a good platform for building a real audience. One that actually follows what you write, because it pops up in their inbox every time you post. I moved there after I saw Scott Alexander (Slate Star Codex) turn to Substack last month and now I read his stuff a lot more frequently since I get that crucial notification every couple of days.

There needs to be trust, you're right. That's a barrier with, say, anons on 4chan. But I haven't had much of a problem with family and friends signing up. I think the idea is that you're supposed to migrate your readership there from other places... but I don't really have one. Most of the people who read my stuff are from /lit/. So, Substack might necessitate a big directional shift for me. About time, anyway. I've been posting for almost a decade now.

[Anonymous No.17671888]

>>17671818
Hard to recommend a good name when we don't know the rest of your object structure. (Not an invitation for you to explain that.) In my own code, I've always referred to stuff like that as "scenes," though, even though the meaning isn't quite the same as it is in writing.

[Anonymous No.17671976]

>>17671616
Tolstoy did this. His chapters are the perfect length in Anna Karenina and make the story extra fine-tuned.

[Anonymous No.17671992]

>>17671818
Checked.

Scene. Essay. Section. Chapter. Monologue.

[Anonymous No.17672024]

>>17670453
I forgot to mention that I have aphantasia. is that a major problem while writing? I know that sapkowski and asimov are aphantasic as well but I don't know how they deal with it since I haven't read their works
>>17670470
I'm going to check that but why are they compared to anime?

[Anonymous No.17672025]

>>17671006
I liked that anon. I suppose if you're hoping to actually do something with it, you might think about cleaning it up a little. As an exercise, I thought it was good though.

[Anonymous No.17672055]

>>17671006
You need to focus on showing rather than telling. This is someone telling me what he sees around him in very non-descript detail intermingled with an occasional line of prose.
I get that you were going for minimalism, but its all tell, no show.

[Anonymous No.17672057]

>>17671888
>>17671992
The problem is that a scene is already well defined, at least in the screenplay industry, and it refers to something else.
I think just a plain 'section' should work well.

[Anonymous No.17672105]

>>17671536
Depends on the style and the author. It just feels to me like nothing really happens in just 3k words. The chapter doesn't have the room to go its own journey.

>>17671547
Then again, I've seen lots of complaints online about chapters that go over 5k. Readers start zoning out and skim over paragraphs. So 4-5k is the ideal compromise.

Also, my autism demands that all chapters must be roughly the same length. If there's a 6k+ chapter followed by a barely 4k chapter, it just makes it look like I suddenly got lazy.

[Anonymous No.17672119]

>>17671876
>One that actually follows what you write, because it pops up in their inbox every time you post.
Unless someone is like me and it gets lost among the garbage swirling around in there. The biggest challenge associated with online publishing is competing for readers' attention. Not even competing against other writers but with all the infinite distractions of the internet.

For this reason specificity is all important. You need to find precisely the type of audience with an interest in what you write about. I haven't come across a platform that allows readers to discover your writing using filters more specific than tags. There's just so much out there, breaking through is not easy. Especially if you're someone like you or I who are comparative nobodies and not established names which would pre-filter your audience for you.

[Anonymous No.17672193]

>>17672119
>comparative nobodies
Nor an attractive woman

[Anonymous No.17672267]

>>17671460
Outlines-wise on a by-chapter basis, anywhere from a couple of minutes to a few hours/days, to subconsciously dropping it if it has served its purpose/deviated too far to bother updating it.

[Anonymous No.17672652]

>>17671616
Most people aren't so autistic as to only stop reading at chapter breaks.

>>17671674
Like I said, it depends on your goals. 10,000 is usually considered too long. It just is. Usually. I've heard 3-6k most often as a good range. My novel was also a traditional 80k+ and there was definite need to shorten the chapters that were over 6,000.

[Anonymous No.17672709]

can we post poetry?

[Anonymous No.17672718]

>>17672709
You can but likely won't get much useful feedback.

[Anonymous No.17672827]

>>17672709
No, there’s a poetry thread you can go for feedback.

[Anonymous No.17672861]

>>17672709
Sure you can, but if you post it without specifically asking for crit then, personally, I'd just gloss over it. And even if you did want it critqued then I'll still gloss over it regardless. Seems like the crit thread did die again, though.

[Anonymous No.17673023]

>>17672709
Post it in this thread >>17672851 and not in this one.

[Anonymous No.17673440]

Anyone know of a good alternative to Royal Road? Someplace that isn't infested with anime-shit?

[Anonymous No.17673453]

>>17673440
No, and no, get used to it, since your writing is no different than theirs perhaps even worse.

[Anonymous No.17673505]

(1/2)

[Anonymous No.17673512]

>>17673505
(2/2)

[Anonymous No.17673548]

>>17673505
>>17673512
What about it?

[Anonymous No.17673614]

>>17673548
Tell me what works and what doesn’t

[Anonymous No.17673627]

>>17673505
Charge your goddamn battery. Why is it almost obligatory for any screenshot to have low battery?

[Anonymous No.17673642]

>>17671042
How about you just stop writing completely?

[Anonymous No.17673645]

>>17673627
because even the best smart phone batteries are shit. go drink bleach, anime cretin. nobody needs to cater to your ocd.

[Anonymous No.17673682]

>>17673627
Idk, out of habit I guess. This phone is also old and doesn’t have a great battery life

[Anonymous No.17673696]

>>17673682
Change the battery then.

[Anonymous No.17673767]

>>17673645
>anime cretin
Where do you think you are?

[Anonymous No.17673798]

The first /lit/ flash fiction anthology was published today. The stories went way above expectations. There are strong and entertaining writers on this board. >>17673730

[Anonymous No.17673848]

>>17673798
Flash fiction is a meme.

[Anonymous No.17674054]

>>17673645
How do i get my writing to be as great as JK-sama? Saga of the Cosmic Heroes could honestly be the modern day equivalent of Crime and Punishment.

[Anonymous No.17674181]

>>17673505
>in a parade of damp sucking noises
>scattered buckshot
doesn't fit in with the style of the other lines

As prose, it's fine; as a story, it doesn't make any sense.

[Anonymous No.17674389]

>>17674054
Eh. I feel like JK-sama overwrites.

My prose ranking for RR shillers.
>Wish Mountain
>Saga of the Cosmic Heroes
>Erased

Anyone else write on RR?

[Anonymous No.17674418]

>>17674389
>Eh. I feel like JK-sama overwrites
no, I honestly, feel likes he underwrites at times. As if to appeal to /lit/fags. It hinders his story.

[Anonymous No.17674451]

>>17673505
>>17673512
Most of it is fine. I don't have a problem with "scattered buckshot" since guns seem to exist. "Damp sucking noises" could be "squelching stomps."

Like that other anon said, there's no real story here.

[Anonymous No.17674500]

>>17674418
I say overwrite because there's a line in the latest chapter that had MC wake up with a splitting headache. The sentence after reminisces about the pain of a scar and compares it to the headache. The former sentence feels like it's "in the moment" and the latter sentence "suspends the moment."

I checked out Crime and Punishment. I don't get the same feeling there, but maybe I haven't read enough of it.

[Anonymous No.17674524]

>>17673505
>>17673512
Lots of big words that simpler words could take their place.

[Anonymous No.17674529]

>>17674181
>>17674451
It’s an excerpt from the beginning of a story I’m writing, just trying to set the stage. I appreciate the thoughts— I’m a bit attached to ‘sucking noises’ but I’ll see if I can incorporate the phrase in a smoother way.

[Anonymous No.17674558]

>>17674389
>>17674418
>overwriting
>underwriting
meanwhile, I struggle at times to get the words out. I do my best but I'm not pandering to anyone in particular I think.

[Anonymous No.17674570]

>>17674558
>I do my best but I'm not pandering to anyone in particular I think.
You are pandering if you're here.

[Anonymous No.17674647]

>>17674451
>I don't have a problem with "scattered buckshot" since guns seem to exist
The simile of buckshot doesn't jive with the similes used in the rest of the paragraph, anon

[Anonymous No.17674649]

>>17674570
You don't really believe that, do you?

[Anonymous No.17674687]

>>17674649
Pretty much,

[Anonymous No.17674878]

>>17674054
>Saga of the Cosmic Heroes
Set in approximately the 29th century AD (or 3rd century UC) in a setting where humanity is united under an interstellar Federation past its zenith. The story follows a young Victoria Happ-Schwarzenberger through a first-person narrative as she follows in her father's footsteps and enlists in the Metropolitan Space Navy in events that will change her course forever.

Joining the narrative is Li Chou, known as the Madame Scarface. She serves as a lieutenant under a pirate republic ruled by her ruthless adoptive father nestled in the outer hinges of Federation authority. And Alexandra Descartes-Dolz, a colonial spacenoid with the aspirations of changing the decadent Federation's injustices. This saga tells of their intertwining destinies and the struggles they face along the way.

[Anonymous No.17674901]

>>17674878
yes anon that is the blurb

[Anonymous No.17674910]

>>17674901
Who tells a space opera in first person?

[Anonymous No.17674923]

>>17674910
It was originally omnipotent but it didn't work out too well. There is the occasional chapter with povs other than the MCs and those are in limited third-person though.

[Anonymous No.17674935]

>>17674923
Are you JK-sama?

[Anonymous No.17674940]

>>17674935
well, yes

[Anonymous No.17674952]

>>17674940
Tell me more about your rise to fame and how you manage to do what no other anons here have managed to do and actually published something.

[Anonymous No.17674972]

>>17674940
If you really are him, I like your story and it inspired me to write my own story. And don’t let what other anons say about you get you down.

[Anonymous No.17675003]

>>17674952
Very slow and very steady, a lot of blood and sweat and some tears with a touch of perpetual anxiety.

>>17674972
Thanks. I'm glad I managed to help inspire others.

[Anonymous No.17675032]

>>17675003
>Very slow and very steady, a lot of blood and sweat and some tears with a touch of perpetual anxiety.
Was there a time where you thought it was pointless to write? I hear the Royal Road is hard to get noticed

[Anonymous No.17675064]

/wg/, I think I've reached the end of my rope. I gave it everything I had, I wrote 156k words of dogshit, but without the spark of hypomania I just don't have what it takes to be a writer

maybe suicide really is the only way out

[Anonymous No.17675071]

>>17675064
Why are you telling us this? We aren't your therapist.

[Anonymous No.17675095]

>>17675071
I'm shouting it out into the void, desperately combing every possible corner of the internet that might have a solution for me that I missed.

I don't want to die. I want to LIVE.

[Anonymous No.17675101]

>>17675095
Well stop, it's annoying and not worth our time.

[Anonymous No.17675106]

>>17675064
>doesn't do things that are shitty because they have to be done
Chronic ngmi
Life is a nonstop stream of shit you do but don't want to. Just write
>>17675101
Anon is right. No acknowledgement is gonna make you feel better and we both know this is just another form of procrastination

[Anonymous No.17675110]

>>17675032
At the very beginning when I started publishing it and wounded up doing a hasty rewrite starting from ch9 onward. There was some criticism by a few readers who were put off by the abrupt narrative reboot and I had nervous self-destructive doubts of deleting it all, but I didn't. I just pressed on until I eventually did remedy the glaring old omnipotent narrative with proper rewrites.

It can be kinda difficult to get traction if you don't have a backlog(I didn't after restarting the story) and thus can't hog front-page recent tab with daily uploads., It can be difficult if you writing a rather niche genre. There are lots of other variables as well, though.

[Anonymous No.17675114]

>>17675032
The general rule, from what I've heard, is to post consistently and you'll eventually make it onto trending. The only problem with RR is that it leans way too heavily towards LitRPG/Fantasy/Wuxia/Xianxia.

I remember seeing Saga on trending months ago, and looking at the current follower count still being in the hundreds is a let down. As much as I criticise it for being overwritten, it doesn't deserve to be as unnoticed as it is. Not when Wondering Inn gets by with prose worse than Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.17675140]

>>17675101
ive suffered enough because of this place that annoying the people here and wasting their time is a goal in and of itself

>>17675106
what part of 156k words didn't you understand? I've been doing that "just write" shit for two years and it's only gotten harder. i'm not looking for acknowledgement. i'm looking for anything I can try that might alleviate my suffering

[Anonymous No.17675151]

>>17675140
>stops because it's tiring
Your options are to quit or keep going. You know this
Just write some more or get out

[Anonymous No.17675160]

>>17674952
>published

[Anonymous No.17675169]

>>17675151
it's not just tiring. i am literally going through a mental breakdown right now

[Anonymous No.17675170]

>>17675160
Yes, anon, JK-sama is published, something no other anon here can laid claim to.

[Anonymous No.17675182]

>>17675169
Then quit? Why are you being dense

[Anonymous No.17675183]

>>17675169
Nobody cares, shut up and bottle it up inside, we ain’t your therapist.

[Anonymous No.17675194]

>>17675182
quit and do what? Kill myself? If I lose this I have nothing left in my life.

[Anonymous No.17675226]

>>17675114
>nding months ago, and looking at the current follower count still being in the hundreds is a let down. As much as I criticise it for being overwritten, it doesn't deserve to be as unnoticed as it is. Not when Wondering Inn gets by with prose worse than Sanderson
I saw it on the front page like five days ago, is it really that bad?

[Anonymous No.17675237]

>>17675170
I'm published on furaffinity and literotica in the same way that they're "published."

[Anonymous No.17675238]

I'm writing a short fantasy story. If anyone has any feedback on this passage I'd love to hear it.

[Anonymous No.17675259]

>>17675238
I would drop "hard" from the first line, and switch "again human" in the last line to just "back" or something more snappy.
Also that first bit of dialogue reads like it's addressing Frejdla rather than about her.
I don't know if Wiglaff is supposed to be a funny name but it made me laff.

[Anonymous No.17675302]

>>17675226
Yes. The author's prose is like Sanderson's but on steroids. There's very little exposition, and the exposition that does exist is very surface level. But obviously people like it or it wouldn't have the following it does.

[Anonymous No.17675428]

>>17675110
Did anything help you in your gradual rise? Did you advertise your work in anyway?

[Anonymous No.17675505]

>>17675238
I can't comment on the talking. You can add more dialogue tags & actions, but it's not required. Some of the narrative can use tightening up.

>Wiglaff had slunk back in his throne.
Wiglaff slunk in his throne.
>Wiglaff's unfinished glass of wine was still in place at the throne's side table, and with the speed of a younger man threw it towards the visitor.
Wiglaff flung his glass of wine at the visitor.
>It hit the fire pit in an explosion of blue flame as the alcohol combusted.
I don't know if the visitor dodged or if he got hit or if the wine completely missed.
>When the alcohol was burnt away, though, the features were again human.
When the flame died, his human were again human.

A key thing to remember is: Why use many words when few words do trick.

[Anonymous No.17675514]

>>17675505
>When the flame died, his human was again human.
Derp. I meant "When the flame died, his features were again human."

[Anonymous No.17675556]

>>17675428
It was a bit tricky for the first few months because /wg/ wasn't until ~June, and I was slightly cautious about promoting in /wg/ after some bad vibes posting updates in the /a/ homebrew writing community that existed for a while. People back then at /wg/'s first few months were still incredibly hostile to web serials, so I tried linking only when people asked what I wrote and such.

Aside from that, I was mostly limited to being active on the RR forums; post signatures. I got slightly lucky with some networking to give me a small boost in reviews and readership (by now ~August-Septmeber) which helped boost me to top trending for a while. I like to think that particular boost coincided with me snagging the first posts of RR's monthly-promo threads for those months. I also shilled in some non-writing communities I'm in, and some writing ones that were either cool with it or only allowed it if you weren't just purposely being active for the sake of promoting. But it's hard to tell if people read them at all since RR lacks analytics on discord referrals.

[Anonymous No.17675577]

>>17675505
I'll elaborate more on dialogue. Some people like JK-sama love expository dialogue where there's always an action when something is said. It can be engaging for the reader to become more emotionally attached to the character.

I'm one of those people on the opposite side. I think too much dialogue tag action can be distracting. And sometimes I want to hide certain information from the reader like what I did here >>17670834
I prefer reactions from other characters.

Both sides of the spectrum have been very successful.

[Anonymous No.17675595]

>>17675556
I also use my Twitter to upload chapters with appropriate tags, and although impressions can be good for those the actual tweet interactions(like clicking on the damn links/going to my profile) are largely negligible. Pic related is the pinned tweet linking to the story itself. I've been dipping my toes on reddit but I have to see any meaningful impressions from there.

I've been deliberating on cross-posting on Scribblehub and Quotev for the longest timing, in the hopes that people might read more on RR itself. I was mainly interested in the former since it's considerably big as RR and has a more vocal reader-base, but it keeps getting rid of formatting and there's no way to do chapter imports like on RR, so I've been putting it off until I can figure something out for that.

[Anonymous No.17675622]

>>17675556
>It was a bit tricky for the first few months because /wg/ wasn't until ~June, and I was slightly cautious about promoting in /wg/ after some bad vibes posting updates in the /a/ homebrew writing community that existed for a while. People back then at /wg/'s first few months were still incredibly hostile to web serials, so I tried linking only when people asked what I wrote and such.
Those were dark times, I’m glad the stigma of web serials is fading away.

>Aside from that, I was mostly limited to being active on the RR forums; post signatures. I got slightly lucky with some networking to give me a small boost in reviews and readership (by now ~August-Septmeber) which helped boost me to top trending for a while. I like to think that particular boost coincided with me snagging the first posts of RR's monthly-promo threads for those months. I also shilled in some non-writing communities I'm in, and some writing ones that were either cool with it or only allowed it if you weren't just purposely being active for the sake of promoting. But it's hard to tell if people read them at all since RR lacks analytics on discord referrals.
So, it was the combination of luck, networking, promoting, expanding and over all determination?

[A !!tMyrpvrY8yq No.17675711]

>>17670635
>>17674500
>>17674923
>MC
I assume you faggots meant "main character"(?).

Why did you choose to make an acronym out of a phrase, a syntagm, which contains only two words, none of which even containing more than three syllables. Why?
Why do Americans, assuming you are American because I have mainly seen Americans use acronyms for literally fucking everything, do this? Why do you belittle and dumb down your own language which later only results (look around if you want proof) in a nation of literal worm-brain, slobbering retards? What the hell is wrong with you?

You probably think low brow garbage like bakemonogatari is good literature because there is "nothing better than writing lowbrow novels with high school girls and *A MAIN CHARACTER* that is definitely not (You)".

No wonder that character is never even going to be you you absolute disgusting mouth breathing, shit stain blockhead McMutt™ filthy little protestant retard, die in pain and misery fuckwit assholes.

Kill yourself and eat a dick, retarded faggot bitches.

Go fuck yourself.

Happy Easter.

[Anonymous No.17675738]

>>17675556
Some anons here have traditional publishing on a pedestal and they won't take it off. Wandering Inn gets a minimum $3900 per month on Patreon and the prose is trash. MoL still has 600+ patrons and that story has already wrapped up.

>>17675711
Seethe.

[Anonymous No.17675773]

>>17675738
>Some anons here have traditional publishing
Not just traditional publishing, but being a writer itself is put on a pedestal. Most writers can’t live on just writing alone, save for, a select few.

[Anonymous No.17675804]

>>17675738
>Wandering Inn gets a minimum $3900 per month on Patreon and the prose is trash
Yeah, because the author does literally nothing but write. Day in and day out. Twice a week, 20k words. 40k words a week. Would you commit to that for $3900 a month? $3900 a month is honestly pretty measly - less than $50000 a month, and taxes on self-employed income are heavy. Even if they were making double that, I'm still making more than them at an office job that requires almost nothing from me most days. Even if they were making quadruple that, $200k a year, I wouldn't envy them. 40k words a week? No matter how I feel? Are you fucking kidding me?

Traditional publishing is put on a pedestal because you just write a fucking book and get paid for it if you're good enough. People over the age of 16 might actually read your work from time to time. You can get a bit of money from a Netflix adaptation, if you're real lucky.

[Anonymous No.17675809]

>>17675804
*less than $50000 a year

[Anonymous No.17675810]

>>17675711
Watch Terrible Writing Advice on Youtube. There are writers who agree that the anime-knockoff mary sue crap is, well, crap. Unfortunately there is a market for self-insert poorly written weeaboo trash so people keep writing it.

[Anonymous No.17675811]

>>17675804
Nice cope.

[Anonymous No.17675825]

>>17675811
If you think I have to cope over someone making 50 grand or some shit, I don't even want to know what your life must be like.

[Anonymous No.17675864]

>>17675825
It’s okay, anon, get it out of your system.

[Anonymous No.17675870]

>>17674389
What order is that ranking?

[Anonymous No.17675893]

>>17675870
Saga of the Cosmic Heroes is definitely first. He really turned it around.

[Anonymous No.17675897]

>>17675893
kek

[Anonymous No.17675947]

>>17675897
You laugh, buts true.

[Anonymous No.17675948]

Drunk as hell on a Monday night writing an apocalyptic conclusion to my weeaboo fantasy that is only perhaps a third complete in a radically different, and likely cringy (purple;incoherent) style to everything that came before.

Having a blast not making it lads.

[Anonymous No.17675988]

>opening yourself up to criticism and taking the hits so you can improve as a writer

pic related

[Anonymous No.17676015]

>>17675870
Top to bottom, best to worst. On that note, Erased's prose is unconventional and I don't like it.

[Willow Creek - tell me how my (...) No.17676018]

>>17670157
her ears ring and she babbles "B-b-but," shielding herself, "But then I'll throw up! Please don't. Let me... let me just..." she peels Kirsten's thick foreskin back to lap tenderly at the swollen red glans enveloped therein, stopping to gag in revulsion.

"What did you think the tarp was for, shithead? And you better not fucking barf, or you'll be eating it. Got that?"

She begins crying miserably, sobbing like a lost child, a flow of tortured tears carrying black pools of mascara down her face in Gothic tribute to the Lady of Sorrows. "But I can't—I don't!—I..." Briefly looking up, she notices an ID card suspended from a lanyard on the rear-view mirror.

Kirsten Birk, who will apparently turn thirty-six in one week, sets the stun gun on the dashboard and reaches into her captive's oral cavity. Prying Summer's tongue out and pinching it between her fat fingers, she speaks loudly over the retching that results, "Don't what? Don't have a throat?" She closes one of her eyes and peeks around Summer's tongue, "Sure fuckin' looks like you do... all nice and pink, too—soft as velvet. Nice dental plan you got there."

Taking her cock in hand, she leans forward to push past soft lips and pleas of mercy, throwing her head back when she feels her pulse at last race against her captive's hot mouth. The youthful breath washing her supercharged body makes her moan in delight. Her voluptuous figure is the result of millions of years of genetic engineering, and it has been primed to experience unimaginable pleasures. Through the clouded windshield, a mother and her young son hold hands as they merrily cross the street under cover of an umbrella. She looks up smiling, humming to herself at the sight of them. "Fuck. This really gehts me off," she whispers, grabbing fistfuls of Summer's hair, her breath growing shallow and rapid, "you know thatt? You're sucha pretty liddle bitch." Summer's piteous sobs vibrate her cockhead, filling the cramped cabin with the auditory bliss of exquisite suffering. The sound heard is that of teen angst being exploited by adult pragmatism.

"You know, Summer," hisses she, cruelly, "all those times you were talking to me about your stupid friends, how your day went at school... that new song you were working on, or what your daddy thought of your work on his campaign..." The desperate bucking of her big, bad hips bounces Summer's head off the knocked-open console. "I was never listening. The only thing I was thinking about... when you were wearing that slutty clothing of yours, as you are now... and when your big fucking mouth was running, was this." Her cock scrapes Summer's uvula, inducing whimpers and gags. "We were never buddies." Summer turns blue, her arms flailing wildly and tearing at the wool-upholstered reverses of the carseats. The tool of ravishment is mercifully pulled out, six and a half inches of throbbing moxie cleaving upward to form a syrupy bridge of precum between itself and her angelic cheekbone.

[Anonymous No.17676062]

>>17670834
On the dialogue: it's to-the-point and unpretentious. I believe you intend for most communication to occur non-verbally. Your dialogue does the work that you intend for it to do: characters express thoughts. The vibe I get is the opening scene of a fantasy rom-com, with suitably cliche dialogue.
The narrative could use a bit of tightening. Like the opening line: "had now awoken a once sleeping tiger." The reader will assume that if something has been woken, it must have been asleep. "rushed its way to the front of her mind" What would it be rushing, if not its way?
This line is confusing:
>The dread of going days without food, of sneaking around the Orphanage and stealing what she could. Forcibly from the other kids when she needed to.
Is this something she had to do before she came to Yuerriesaf, or something she is willing to do in exchange for the presumed safety which Yeurriesaf offered her?
And finally, just a personal opinion. Oftentimes location names in Fantasy seem like random fliggrgyts of letters, but upon closer inspection reveal themselves to be based on real locations or foreign languages. The name Yurriesaf seems random to me, and you could probably come up with something which would add depth and richness to the world of your story. Unless it's based on some internal mechanism of your story, like a language you invented, in which case you should consider that you're biting off more than you can chew.
On the whole, I see a story with minor issues but a solid foundation. Unfortunately for you, perfection is the only goal worthy of humanity's efforts and so these minor mistakes force me to rate your story 0/10 and to heartily recommend that you refrain from any further writing.

[Anonymous No.17676110]

>How's your novel going?
An unnamed man (implied to have a special forces background) is hired by a local university to search out a rogue scientist in the wilds of the Florida panhandle. As he hacks his way through the bush, the man encounters increasingly hostile locals, who all live in fear of the scientist and his acolytes, as well as bizarre phenomenon which seem to contradict the very nature of reality. As the man draws in on his target, he finds himself ensnared in a deadly game of survival when he learns that the scientist has turned the forest and its inhabitants into a reflection of his own cracked psychosis from which he is intent that no one should escape. Will we ever conquer the insanity which festers in our own backyards and perhaps our own souls? Or are we doomed to spend our lives as mere playthings of self-proclaimed gods? There is only one way to find out: by taking a journey "Into The Savage Green."

I know what you're thinking, and yes, it was inspired by Apocalypse Now, but I'm doing Dante's Inferno instead of Heart of Darkness.

[Anonymous No.17676146]

>>17676062
>On the opening lines
I agree. There was actually a lot more like it that I got rid of. This was one that just stuck.
>Tightening the narrative
I focused a lot on this. It was originally 3300+ words. Some things slip through. Thanks for pointing this out.
>Is this something she had to do before she came to Yuerriesaf, or something she is willing to do in exchange for the presumed safety which Yeurriesaf offered her?
That's a good question. I tried to keep some aspects of the narrative ambiguous/open-ended, so if you're asking this then I think I hit the mark.
>Naming Yuerriesaf
lol, you're right. I hit my keyboard randomly and stuck with what I got. There's no basis or meaning. If I continue (which I don't), then I might change it to something simple.
>minor issues but a solid foundation
Thanks.
>refrain from any further writing
Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.17676176]

>>17676018
Godspeed, anon. I don't know enough about pornographic literature to comment, but it makes my peepee hard, I guess.

[Willow Creek - tell me how my (...) No.17676182]

>>17676176
Thanks, bro.

>>17676146
>>17676062
>>17675577
>>17670959
>talking to yourself this hard
[autistic joker laughter]

[Anonymous No.17676220]

>>17676182
I might as well become the entire thread. We're slow as heck anyway, so might as well put my opinions out there to try to broaden my horizons, and maybe become a better writer.

[Anonymous No.17676255]

>>17676220
It’s because we don’t have an anime pic in the OP.

[Anonymous No.17676288]

>have an unusual amount of dayjob work
>think i'm not going to write anything today
>an hour before bed a scene appears out of nowhere in my brain
Easy 1200 word day today lads. Write an extra sentence before bed for me.

[Anonymous No.17676358]

>>17676288
>unusual amount of work at dayjob
>come home, smoke weed and get ready for bed
>just as I'm drifting off, reading an article on Wikipedia, my mind is flooded with brilliance
>force myself to keep typing even though my eyes are drooping, don't want to lose this momentum
>wake up the next morning with my a crick in my neck because i passed out over my laptop again
>re-read my work from the night before
>"Well captain there;s walways gonna be the right way and the wrong way on the map, but life aint a map and at the end of the day its you, anfd you alone, and that needs to be on the deck to answer the call of justice, to chart a course of expeirnece through the waters of truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu(cont.)"
>make a note to myself
>"fucking nailed it, brah. keep doing this"

[Anonymous No.17676522]

>>17676358
Have a hobo with a cast on his leg say this while pointing at a wall and it's profound

[Anonymous No.17676547]

>>17676015
>On that note, Erased's prose is unconventional and I don't like it.
As the author I'm taking this as a huge compliment. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, I don't give a shit. Obviously the story isn't for everyone. Appreciate you took the time to read some of it, though.

[Anonymous No.17676700]

>>17676547
>feels pride in being unconventional
not like the other girls mentality
gl with your writing though

[Anonymous No.17676707]

>finish short story
>lose it or forgot to save the final draft.

fuck.

[Anonymous No.17676764]

What's a good site to help me check my grammar?

[Anonymous No.17676835]

I need lightning to strike my brain's cock and light my mind up once again

[Anonymous No.17676865]

>https://www.strawpoll.me/42724895

Would appreciate some input for my next project. What would read from these option?

[Anonymous No.17676871]

>>17676865
Space!

[Anonymous No.17676889]

>>17671038
Thank you lad, yeah the editing will be tedious lol.

[Anonymous No.17676900]

>>17676764
Use the grammar check function in your office suite's document editor (ex: Word, Writer). Don't have an office suite? Download and use Open Office. From there hit Critique Circle. They'll point out grammar errors most of the time as part of the critique. As part of the site you will end up critiquing others' work. This is good: reading and helping others will sharpen your skills.

[Anonymous No.17677201]

Is it cheap to leave mysteries unexplained/to the reader's imagination, with the only clues being very open to interpretation? Mysteries never seem to have satisfying answers, but leaving too much unexplained might leave readers feeling cheated.

[Anonymous No.17677290]

What is it called when you write about what's happening in the story first, but then the characters come in?

Like for example, you start with this:
>The building was destroyed by a fire
Then the character comes in
>"What's happened here?"

Is there a name for it? Instead of introducing the fire through the character, you just write it out yourself.

[Anonymous No.17677310]

>>17677201
Depends. The default setting is that if you present the reader a mystery, then you also owe it to them to answer it.

BUT if you have many mysteries in your story, it's fine to leave the less important ones open. There's a line after which spoonfeeding every little detail gets obnoxious and mystery writers often cross it.

[Anonymous No.17677315]

>>17677290
>Is there a name for it?

"Bad writing".

[Anonymous No.17677316]

>>17677290
Telling instead of showing.

[Anonymous No.17677405]

>>17674389
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/34456/king-of-beasts
I'll start editing once I've dealt with my insomnia.

[Anonymous No.17677410]

A bit of a short story here, what's good or bad

'Here he comes' Jasper thought to himself, as Colin shuffled into the den.
"I've got some more Bitumen here Jass, lovely stuff."
Unimpressed, Jasper stirred a pot of soup and chopped sausage. Colin tipped out a plastic bag full of road fragments into a drum he had cooking on the other side of the den. It was already half full of molten gunk, and it was thickening due to the small unattended fire beneath it dying down to embers.
"Ohh I'll just get this going again and the rest of it will melt down."
"You know if you didn't keep melting tarmac you'd have a bit more wood for making dinner, then you wouldn't have to rush about so much."
"Well it isn't tarmac, it's asphalt, that's why... that's err, the asphalt's made from bitumen, and..and..err...'
Colin busied himself with the drum and pretended he couldn't hear him. Jasper had tried to ask Colin why he was obsessed with cultivating a drum of molten bitumen, and every time he did Colin would ignore him, or change the subject. He never did anything with it. Sometimes after watching the same pot of bitumen for a while he'd say it was no good. Usually after a few weeks of melting and stirring and adding road flakes to the same bloody thing. Then he'd scrape the drum out and start again. The fire would go out overnight, and before he thought about boiling some water or making some toast in the morning he'd be over to the bitumen, relighting it as if it was going to do something special. He would always say it with a special emphasis, Bitumen, Bitumen, never just bitumen, but Bitumen, BIT-chew min.
Jasper thought it was odd, didn't really mind too much. They were both homeless, it's just that being homeless due to being on the browny brown was more common than just being homeless for no apparent reason and constantly melting bitumen. Sorry, Bitumen, Bit-chew min. Colin was obviously just a little bit extra mental, and hadn't abandoned real life for a daily drug habit like the rest of us. But saying that, his Bitumen habit was quite reminiscent of someone constantly melting down a lump of brown for a needle.
"Did you get yourself some dinner while you were out Colin?"
"Hmn no, I erm, I was a bit waylaid, err...I'll just have some toast."
I suppose I'd have more stuff for cooking if I didn't buy heroin. I quite often have to coast on having toast for a dinner. Peanut butter does get boring. But so does life. Heroin makes you sleepy, and if you don't have it you feel ill. Right now I'm avoiding life by smoking on my sleepy bitumen. Tea and toast you men, bit of tea, bit you men, big chew men, with tea and toast.
"Oh fuck."
Jasper had nodded forward until the heat from his soup was burning his forehead. He put the suacepan down on the floor to cool down some.

[Anonymous No.17677428]

>>17677405
>3 & half stars
woo. let's go

[Anonymous No.17677431]

>>17677410
Double line breaks would make it a lot easier to read.

[Anonymous No.17677438]

>4 chapters in
For some reason I've been a lot more motivated to write in pen/paper than typing. I feel like I can finish something big this year

[Anonymous No.17677440]

>>17674389
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/23547/a-super-robot-story
Been writing on and off ever since I started it in an /a/ writing thread, almost exactly two years ago.

[Anonymous No.17677489]

>>17677428
Yeah. I'll be going back once I'm done with the entire story and then rewriting most of it and editing it down.
For now though it's just something to keep me writing daily.

[Anonymous No.17677505]

His body hung limp between the two lesser wolves as they held his arms. Blood from the cut above his left eye had obscured his vision but from his right he could see the alpha approaching. He watched in confusion as the beast began furiously licking its paw. Then as it gripped its erection and began slathering the whole thing in a thick coating of drool he understood. Thank God for small mercies.

[Anonymous No.17677528]

Would you keep reading?

[Anonymous No.17677539]

>>17677505
Did you plagiarise my concept

[Anonymous No.17677548]

>>17677539
I take inspiration from my own life experiences. Lemme see your shit.

[Anonymous No.17677563]

>>17677528
>that shit hook
>"an inquiring face"
>Chemical X
No

[Anonymous No.17677573]

>>17677528
>Dr is called by is assistant to examine a sample
>"Come look at this"

You don't need both.
Either have him say it, or have it described.

[Anonymous No.17677590]

>>17677489
God help you, anon. If you've got snippets of your edits, then it might be better to post those because what you've got on RR is atrocious.

>>17677440
(You)'ing myself >>17670339
I feel like you have a similar problem that I set out to fix here. You have dialogue, you have a narrative, and you have the character's emotional states. You cycle through each of them but they all fall flat. Your prose and adjectives are weak.

>>17677528
This reads too similar to a screenplay. I wouldn't keep reading this. Keep trying though.

[Anonymous No.17677619]

>>17677528
"They called me crazy," said Dr. Decker. "They said I was wasting Washington region's research budget with my Far East region research. Well they can cram into their anal Ass region. As a scientist I am obligated to do anything I think can help mankind, regardless of any pedestrian concerns like 'safety' and 'money.' Soon tomorrow everyone will have their blood replaced by Material W."

Dr Decker's boss entered the room.

"Decker!" he said, shouting Decker's name with his voice. "You can't seriously plan on replacing everyone's blood with Material W. If this goes wrong we might get sued."

"I will do what I please. And right now I am pleased to make you... MY FIRST PATIENT."

"No," said the Director, having his blood replaced. "I can't believe you're replacing my blood with Material W. This hurts so bad. I want my blood back."

"Get used to it," Decker said to his boss. "This process takes several days of painful pain."

He turned on Ride of the Valkyries and laughed maniacally as lightning crashed far in the distance.

[Anonymous No.17677623]

>>17677528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybCxN86n61k

[Anonymous No.17677636]

>>17677563
Uh, it's Material W mate.

>>17677573
Yeah, I have a problem with overwriting, I cut that out in my second draft. Thanks for reading.

>>17677590
>This reads too similar to a screenplay. I wouldn't keep reading this. Keep trying though.
Thanks, too much dialogue? I'll have to write stuff in between. Thanks for reading.

>>17677619
nice rewrite.

>>17677623
lol

[Anonymous No.17677638]

excerpt from my novel
faithlesswonderment begets the zip zapity zoo down the hoillside watch mr fudder go rolling down hes a haha habetter holy man would only become the rounder roller mr fudder let the watch out mr fudder watch him roll down the hill akinder jolly watch outer mr fudder and he spins up and down the grave down down down to the mockingjays nest up up up to the tadpoles pond let the joys of vicissitude push push push on the holly tress into the meadow and lay evermore.

[Anonymous No.17677650]

>>17677638
Nice. I'm probably just gonna dump ass all over a piece of paper and mail it to the publisher.

[Anonymous No.17677666]

if you had a character named something ridiculous yes bewilderingly kinaesthetically pleasing as a placeholder like say Pokemon Jones what would you change it to

[Anonymous No.17677668]

>>17670384
Rewrite the text exactly as it appears or use typelit.io. Only after do you try to implement their style and structures in your writing. Other than that, there’s no way to understand what they are doing unless you have a keen eye and have already written a lot. And even then it won’t be ingrained in the way it is by writing it out.

[Anonymous No.17677674]

Got to 1.5k for Monday. Want to make it 2K for the rest of the week. Looking to get to 10k by Sunday night and posting chapter one. Keep writing /wg/.

[Anonymous No.17677680]

What should you do if you suddenly dislike your entire story and and its tone and arent really interested in it anymore

[Anonymous No.17677685]

how do i write a protagonist i want to be unlikable yet interesting enough in the early sections that it doesnt fall into
>why should i care about this dipshit again

[Anonymous No.17677690]

>>17677685
the same thing you'd do with any other protagonist

[Anonymous No.17677693]

>>17677690
I usually just describe the character masturbating and his habits surrounding that for a chapter because i just think its the most direct way to make a relatable character

[Anonymous No.17677696]

>>17677636
>Uh, it's Material W
I don't care, and that's the problem

[Anonymous No.17677697]

>>17671006
Join the flash fiction thread

>>17672055
I heard that advice so much when I was younger. But there are so many great books that mostly tell. Kim Stanley Robinson says it’s horrible advice, along with most generic writing advice. I think it’s meant for very new writers.

[Anonymous No.17677705]

>>17677636
>Thanks, too much dialogue? I'll have to write stuff in between. Thanks for reading.
No. It's your narrative. The way you've set the scene. Your dialogue is stilted. I can't imagine real people talking like that.

>>17677410
This is okay. Maybe work on the dialogue tags.

>>17677680
Rewrite it if you really like your ideas. Abandon otherwise and start something new.

Prose Rankings. Top to bottom, best to worst.
>Wish Mountain
>Saga of the Cosmic Heroes
>Erased
>A Super Robot Story
>King of Beasts
>(You)

[Anonymous No.17677712]

>>17677697
>it’s horrible advice, along with most generic writing advice

As with most advice on anything in the world, you need to learn it before you break it. Because the genius lies in knowing just where and when to break it, and by how much. But most of the rest of the time you need to follow it.

[Anonymous No.17677719]

Someone got a higher grade than me on a writing assignment.

[Anonymous No.17677751]

>>17677712
what does showing rather than telling even mean in books? i mean technically everything you do is telling because you cant actually show anything
how would you re write that anons excerpt to be showing and not telling>>17671006

[Anonymous No.17677817]

>>17677751
It seems there's a misunderstanding between showing & telling. Ice cream anon is all show. He shows the POV's thoughts, he shows the interactions.

Telling is most obvious when the reader feels like they're always following behind the narration, rather than alongside.

Excerpt from anon's King of Beasts is telling.
>Then they continued to march as Armal continued to call for the arrows to fire, pausing between each words to allow the archers to do as they commanded. This continued as the soldiers marched towards the small gap, and it was then that the arrows began to truly hit their mark. They had to shift their shields in such a way that it allowed some arrows to fall in through the cracks, but by then the hundred soldiers behind began to march in.

Excerpt from JK-sama's Saga of the Cosmic Heroes is showing.
>I stop for a moment and wonder if I should procure a bottle or two for myself. But upon closer inspection of the bottles in question, I realize those are the same brand as the one Brutus has. I would think that trying to take one would be too difficult and require effort in prying one from the cold intense embrace that some of these men seemingly have of their bottles. To effectively steal a man’s best friend from his very grasp is not something I would look forward to, and I imagine in their irrational stupor they would stubbornly resist without realizing who their ‘assailer’ is.

[Anonymous No.17677849]

>>17677751
let's start simple and then work up.
>John was angry
telling
>John scowled
showing
Both communicate the same information but the second one is more interesting because it lets the reader figure out how John feels on their own. Sure you could tell your audience all sorts of things, but that's boring. You need to get them thinking about what they're reading or their attention will drift somewhere else.
So for anon's excerpt it's shit right off the bat.
>I'm happy.
Delete. Why is your protagonist happy? Once you've figured that out, write a sentence where the character preforms an action that demonstrates his happiness.

[Anonymous No.17677875]

>>17677751
>what does showing rather than telling even mean in books?

Telling
>She was extremely hot and had great perky tits and Anon wanted to fuck her on sight.

Showing
>As she walked towards Anon, more than a few heads swivelled round. One chap couldn't keep his eyes off her and got a none-too-friendly cuff on the head from his date. Anon had always declared himself an avowed leg man, but thought on reflection that he could make exceptions in her case. Anon wondered if, after the case was over, he could ask her out for a nice Italian somewhere.

[Anonymous No.17677890]

>>17675226
>>17675302
Dude is pandering for patreon bucks.

I stoppped reading at volume 4, guy vomits words without a second thought.

[Anonymous No.17677897]

>Sanderson
>Sanderson
>Sanderson

Post your favourite Sanderson excerpts.

[Anonymous No.17677933]

>>17677849
What color is your skin?

[Anonymous No.17677942]

>>17677849
>Delete. Why is your protagonist happy? Once you've figured that out, write a sentence where the character preforms an action that demonstrates his happiness.
You may not like it, but this is prose. The narrative is heavily focused on the POV's current state of mind. The mood shifts erratically and without a moment's notice. This is all show. Your example of "was angry" and "scowled" is correct.

[Anonymous No.17677972]

Threads in a pretty good state today. Glad my post could inspire some discussion
>>17672025
Thanks. Let me know what you think is rough, I'm not great at editing and any practice identifying spotty writing would probably do me good
>>17677697
That thread actually inspired me to start doing these. Nice to see /lit/ doing something productive for a change
>>17677817
This is some peak /wg/. Not only did you use anon examples but you picked some appropriate ones

See you guys tomorrow morning

[Anonymous No.17677976]

>>17677972
>forgets to attach the flash
Flash a day keeps the rust away

[Anonymous No.17678038]

>>17671006
Going to break this down to emphasize why it's all show.

>I'm happy.
This is the perceived state of mood. MC is attempting to reinforce positivity.
>The warmth of the sun on my skin.
Mood has shifted. It's becoming negative.
>The satisfaction of a hard day's work. Sweat sticks to my skin and my ragged breath scratches my burning lungs and-
MC caught himself being negative and interrupts himself.
>I worked hard. I deserve something nice.
Reinforcing positive thoughts again.

>The line is long. The teens behind my are whispering harshly. I stink. A small dog barks in a shrill tone. The line hasn't moved. The sun beats on my back.
MC is now perceiving negative emotions from his surroundings.

>The sky is nice. It's blue- a beautiful kind. A beautiful day. The clouds are soft and... and...
He caught himself being negative again and shifts his focus to positive thoughts.

>"What would you like?"
>The old man behind the cart speaks in a dry, dead voice. He stares at me. Like a fish out of water. how long has he been doing this job? He can't even manage a smile. He's stuck in this dead end life. There's no helping it. Just smile. The least you can do is smile.
This is the MC projecting his negative state on an external source.

>"Vanilla."
>The icecream is cold. The cold is nice. And sweet. It should be sweet. It should be helping.
Ice cream isn't making MC any happier.

>It hits the bottom of my trash can with a wet shlop. I'm home. I made it another day.
This line shows relief. MC is depressed.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[Anonymous No.17678052]

>>17677849
terrrible example lol

[Anonymous No.17678107]

>>17670157
Folks, I've been trying to pump out a short story in the past two days. My work style is that I'm a pantser, but at the very end I go back and I'm a very good editor. I fix up the syntax and add in flowery language and symbolism, but the first draft is very spartan and efficient.

I do this to discover the story I want to write myself! And unfortunately what I've written so far is basically Harry Potter but slightly different. Firstly, all the aesthetics come from Power Metal, and the magic university has a gender divide. Used to be a woman's college, now men are accepted and there's hatred between the genders. My plot will be that the men are slowly picked off a killed by the men, but the main characters themselves will be saved by the school principle, who is a mighty and strong woman, both sexy but also ripped.

Thoughts on what I have so far? How terrible of a cliche it is to have the plot of a magical school. I'm thinking maybe I'll change it up a bit. Making it a hermetically school with monks and nuns, I think that will add another layer of depth to all the sexy murders.
>spider queen descends down from the ceiling and pinches the head of a boy between her thighs. She ropes him back up to her web where she crushes his head, pressing his face into her crotch until his skulls cracks and bursts like a grape.

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.17678113]

>>17678107
this post is like a fine wine

[Anonymous No.17678116]

>>17678107
*are slowly picked off a killed by the women

[Anonymous No.17678126]

His lower intestine was practically screaming by the time he finished the last few bites of the rejection letter. For the last 5 days he had eaten nothing but takeout from the cheapest, greasiest Chinese and Indian places he could find and drank nothing but energy drinks. 15 minutes ago he had downed half a bottle of laxative and his digestive system was at its breaking point. He dabbed at his lips with a napkin, grabbed the manuscript and staggered over to the blue tarp in the living room. He threw his life’s work down, squatted over it and erupted.

It took all he had not to pass out from the stench as he emptied what seemed like half his body weight onto the paper. The noise sent his parrot into a squawking frenzy and activated the smart device in the other room. When it was finally over his ass, legs and feet were coated in a thick layer of shit. It was nothing compared to his manuscript which was no longer visible. Would they publish it now, he wondered to himself as he waddled to the kitchen to fetch the envelope he had prepared.

[Anonymous No.17678174]

>>17675259
Thanks for reading anon, I think what you're saying is spot on.
>Wiglaff
Kek, it's from Beowulf. I guess I've read it so much it doesn't sound as silly to me but I see your point.
>>17675505
>>17675577
Thanks so much for taking the time for all that great feedback anon, it's extremely helpful. I'm experimenting with a more dialogue heavy story, so I have a lot to learn. Ordinarily I am on the side of show don't tell, though.
If you're still interested, I'll take a look at that story of your since you were so helpful with mine.

[Anonymous No.17678283]

>>17678174
Finally. A reason to (You) myself again.

>>17648500
>>17648850
>>17654540
>>17655423
>>17655876
>>17670339
>>17662108
>>17669437
And the 3195 word >>17670834

[Anonymous No.17678336]

>>17678107
Not interested in your thinly-veiled femdom fantasy

[Anonymous No.17678356]

>>17678107
im very interested in your thinly-veiled femdom fantasy

[Anonymous No.17678484]

>>17678107
>>spider queen descends down from the ceiling and pinches the head of a boy between her thighs. She ropes him back up to her web where she crushes his head, pressing his face into her crotch until his skulls cracks and bursts like a grape.
>descends down
>crushes his head, pressing...cracks...bursts
bad, but good enough for your unimaginative erotic fantasy

[Anonymous No.17678518]

Would love any feedback on the 3-chapter teaser to my upcoming second book:

https://pdfhost.io/v/~klVR9c1U_BOX_KICKER_Feb17th2021_THREE_CHAPTER_TEASER_John_David_Cardpdf.pdf

It's the second in the series to this one:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08TGBGGF8

But you don't have to have read that to read this one. They're same-universe but standalone.

Thanks

[Anonymous No.17678550]

>>17678518
Still haven't figured out commas, eh?

[Anonymous No.17678567]

>>17670834
>...stealing what she could. Forcibly from the other kids when she needed to.
...stealing what she could; forcibly when needed.
It was a little difficult, for me, to tell that Erica was being physically dragged by the ground at first. You might want to add some more description to that scene to clarify it.
>The spoon flew true
>A realization of futility washed over her
These lines seem to contradict your otherwise straightforward language. I might try re-working them to be a little simpler.
>She'd seen a wizard demolish boulders by looking at it, as this man had done with the spoon.
She'd seen a wizard demolish a boulder by looking at it, the same as this one had done with the spoon.
>he said, his eyes drilling deep
he said, eyes drilling deep
>He strode past her with footfalls resembling that of the men she once knew: dark, quiet and light.
He strode past her and his pace reminded her of the men she once knew; dark and quiet.
Could just be an American thing, but I've never heard "footfalls" used to describe footsteps and it read a little awkward to me.
I thought the dialogue was well done. It felt pretty natural and you do a good job at communicating who's speaking without it getting repetitive.
>Shot the wizard a glare
Glared at the wizard.
>...save for a few pieces of equipment meant for travel but abandoned.
...save for a few abandoned pieces of travel equipment.
>...she had been on unknown roads before. And like other unknown roads she had been on, she would find her way.
...she had been on unknown roads before and would find her way.
Overall, I think you should work on trying to condense some of your sentences and work on cleaning up the more awkward phrases like the ones I mentioned above.
I liked what I read so far, though. Slimy survivalists like Erica are some of my favorite characters in fiction.

[Anonymous No.17678571]

>>17678550
What do you need commas for, you got italics don't ya?

[Anonymous No.17678660]

Time for me to sleep. I'll share some parting thoughts on prose.

>What makes good first-person prose?
Good prose is when the reader is put in the midst of the story. Depressed ice cream anon did this beautifully. Lolita does the exact same thing. You get a feel of the MC even though you know they're not real. This is why I can't put JK-sama as good prose; he's doing the same things a third-person voice can do but in first-person.

>What makes good third-person prose?
A lot of this depends on scope. This is why it's popular; there's no hard rules. Just make a good narrative.

>Second-person?
Similar to first-person. The reader should feel that they're part of the story.

And no, using flowery language for the sake of flowers doesn't make for good modern prose. There aren't all that many people alive who can understand such prose.

Feel free to disagree.

[Anonymous No.17678698]

>>17677680
shelf it for now, come back to it later, hopefully with a new perspective

[Anonymous No.17678706]

>>17678567
Thanks for the great feedback, anon. I agree with everything.

[Anonymous No.17678707]

Anons, please help a brainlet out. I want to be a webnovel writer.

So I have this cape punk story idea that i've essentially fleshed out for half a year. I would prefer it if it somehow became my magnum opus. And therefore, I feel im inadequate to write it.

So multiple times, I came across various sources typically saying that a writer finds his voice at around a million words. I have thought about and have taken it in mind.

Thing is, i don't know what to write in its place that would gain enough traction to become a successful writer overtime.

I really don't want to write regurgitated fantasy isekai litrpg harem slave novel, but also want to have Some financial success.

What do I write?

[Anonymous No.17678734]

>>17678707
Write about an orphan kid who finds a wishing [insert object here] that grants him his wish of becoming a gigachad (one wish only)
As gigachad with a child's mind he goes on to lead a life of debauchery and gets suckered by holes, Happy Merchants and other deceptive people into doing things that are not in his best interest
Add vampires for variety and sex appeal

[Anonymous No.17678775]

>>17678734
I'd read another Wizard Knight desu

>>17678707
Your best work won't necessarily be your magnum opus. Speaking of Gene Wolfe, I think - and he thought - that his best work was Peace. Everyone says that Book of the New Sun was his magnum opus, though. In webnovel terms, Worm is the first one Wildbow wrote, and though it's not his best writing, it will absolutely be his magnum opus in the eyes of others. The trick is that it's the story that makes a novel good, not your ability to write it. If you have a compelling idea for a story that drives you to write it, start writing it. Don't waste your time dithering over some idea you're less attached to because someone told you to write a million words first.

[Anonymous No.17678783]

>>17677719
So what? Maybe he spent twice as much time as you did. Maybe he just pandered to the teacher. If it really bothers you try to befriend this person, competition often makes you better.

[Anonymous No.17678782]

>>17678775
Wolfe liked Peace that much? Why?

[Anonymous No.17678803]

Anyone know where I can find good ideas for things to write about just to practice? I like the act of writing, but I feel like I don't have anything to say.

[Anonymous No.17678818]

>>17678782
He said that it was the most successful at doing what it was trying to do - that is, tell a story which simultaneously obscures and reveals the nature of the protagonist.

[Anonymous No.17678827]

>>17678818
I guess he'd know best.

[Anonymous No.17678858]

>>17678803
Slice of life stuff is pretty easy. Write about an interesting story from your own life.

[Anonymous No.17678904]

>>17678803
/sffg/
Alternatively, everyone has something to say. If you feel like you don't have anything to say, you probably feel like you're missing something important that would allow you to have something to say if you had it. If you feel that way, there's something that you feel is important. If there's something that you feel is important, there's something worth writing about. It just takes some introspection to figure out what you think you're lacking.

[Anonymous No.17678914]

>>17678783
Because I've had an unbreakable combo up until now, stretching all the way back to the beginning of Fall semester. I've received the highest grade on all my writing assignments since then. Now it's all ruined. I'm doomed to shit myself and cry myself to sleep like a baby boy.

[Anonymous No.17678964]

>>17678914
You're never going to learn unless you experience this also.

[Anonymous No.17679053]

>got around 700 words done today
>just wanna talk about Bionicles and watch youtube videos instead of writing
So much for 2k words a day...

[Anonymous No.17679068]

>>17678734
That sounds like a literal wish-fulfillment fantasy. Funny enough, I've actually considered writing a novel filled with self-indulgent witches, magic, debauchery and vampires.


>>17678775
I will keep these words of yours in mind over the next few of days of ruminating.

I only fear my own incompetence in unintentionally fucking it up. But Perhaps this is just an excuse not to write it.

I've always found it sad when people object to reading Ward simple because it doesn't carry the same mantle as Worm.

Thanks for the unintended recommendation, I've never read any of gene wolf's work, so i've put both peace and book of the new sun on my reading list.

[Anonymous No.17679079]

>>17678706
Glad it was useful fren. Thanks again for all your feedback.
>>17678126
I'm not a fan of scatological humor, but I actually thought this was pretty well written. Hope it's not auto-biographical.

[Anonymous No.17679092]

>>17679068
>That sounds like a literal wish-fulfillment fantasy.
Yes, in the fine tradition of Captain Marvel (the original) and Gene Wolfe's Wizard Knight

[Anonymous No.17679106]

>>17678707
Write freely. Your first novel is going to end like 40-50k long and as good as a first draft. But instead of editing, look at what you did wrong, because over the course of writing you'll get better, and write the second one. Then maybe third, or go back and edit the first into shape, or rewrite it.

[Anonymous No.17679112]

Realistically, you can use a comma whenever you want for pause in your writing, as long it's not a comma splice, correct? Or am I wrong?

[Anonymous No.17679173]

>>17679053
>>just wanna talk about Bionicles
Strangely based.

[Anonymous No.17679203]

>>17679106
Thank you for advice friend, I've only recently learned that people actually write multiple drafts.

I always thought simply line editing turned it into a second draft, and heavily editing again became a third, and so and so forth.

(which is kind of stupid, at least I can attribute it to my secondhand english).

[Anonymous No.17679212]

>>17679203
But anon, people write digitally now so there's no need for the kind of drafting people used to do, you can just do all your editing in a single file

[Anonymous No.17679271]

>>17679203
By second I meant try a different approach to the story. Like, try 1st person instead of 3rd and make it make sense, make another character the protagonist, etc. Or just write a different story..

[Anonymous No.17679277]

>>17678858
>>17678904
Thanks, I'll give it a try

[Anonymous No.17679352]

I have reached 40 thousand words. Everything I write is increasingly zany and humorous, unless it's talking about something that touched my heart.
I'm having a good time but I'm worried my sense of humor doesn't appeal to others. My mom laughed at an excerpt but motherly love disqualifies her opinions.

[Anonymous No.17679400]

>>17679352
>I'm having a good time
Sounds like you're doing it right
>but I'm worried my sense of humor doesn't appeal to others
don't worry about that shit
>My mom laughed at an excerpt but motherly love disqualifies her opinions
yeah, basically. just focus on getting your story down before seeking approval. you're never going to make everybody happy, its a complete waste of effort to try

[Anonymous No.17679416]

>>17679400
Would be nice to make someone happy, and it might as well be me.

[Anonymous No.17679426]

>>17679271
Noted.

[Anonymous No.17679438]

>>17679416
Good. if you were writing for any other reason you'd need to reevaluate your priorities

[Anonymous No.17679507]

>>17679438
I'll keep on keeping on, then.

[Anonymous No.17679589]

>The Art of Fiction
>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)
>On Becoming A Novelist
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft
>The Weekend Novelist
>Aristotle's Poetics
>Hero With a Thousand Faces
>Romance the Beat

which one of these is the best bros?

[Anonymous No.17679726]

>>17679589
None of them.

[Anonymous No.17679787]

>>17679589
All of them.

[Anonymous No.17679839]

>>17678914
You got too cocky, bro.

[Anonymous No.17679883]

>>17670157
Any tips on marketing books? I feel like I'm doing everything to market my book, without spending money. But I don't have any preorders yet.

[Anonymous No.17679961]

>>17679883
Could do it the indie way, print a bunch of copies of some short stories or something and leave them around in bookshops, art gallery's and shit while growing a small core audience (colleges are great for this shit there's usually some sort of writing club or society) and build from there.

[Anonymous No.17679965]

>>17679589
Personally, I like Story Genius. It's the most immediately useful. There's also Hemingway's lecture on writing, which is more about short stories but I think in its delivery is instructive about style.

>>17679883
I was going to give you advice, but why the fuck would you expect preorders if you're so new that you have to ask about shit like that here?

[Anonymous No.17679978]

>>17679883
Who the fuck would preorder some literally who's book?

[Anonymous No.17680106]

>>17679978
Would you preorder F Gardner's new book?

[Anonymous No.17680124]

>>17680106
Yes.

[Anonymous No.17680136]

>>17680106
>>17680124
goddamn it grrdner

[Anonymous No.17680152]

>>17680136
F Gardner Is the most successful writer on /lit/, it’s how it is.

[Anonymous No.17680197]

>>17680152
Where is Gardnee on the literally who <------------> legit author scale?

[Anonymous No.17680219]

>>17680197
Near Faulkner, Tolkien, Shakespeare, etc.

[Anonymous No.17680324]

>>17679589
Buy them and find out.

[Anonymous No.17680362]

>>17679053
Write 1300 words about your favorite Bionicle anon.

[Anonymous No.17680378]

>>17680362
Isn’t that FanFiction?

[Anonymous No.17680399]

>>17680378
Just change the names.

[Anonymous No.17680405]

>>17680399
Isn’t that plagiarism?

[Anonymous No.17680415]

>>17680405
Just change your name when done.

[Anonymous No.17680430]

>>17680415
Seems like a lot of trouble. Just write something original.

[Anonymous No.17680437]

>>17678126
Thumbs up, unironically. Good pace and description.

[Anonymous No.17680481]

>>17679883
Yeah, develop a following before becoming an indie writer.

[Anonymous No.17680515]

>>17678803
Just write.

[Anonymous No.17680539]

>>17678571
Never going to make it.

[Anonymous No.17680598]

>>17678107
Just write.

[Anonymous No.17680612]

>>17673627
keep seething.

[Anonymous No.17680624]

how do i write in a way that encapsulates the tone or feeling that pic related gives? can anyone help
HOW DO I FIND MY VOICE
HOW DO I BE A GOOD WRITER
SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME

[Anonymous No.17680627]

>>17680136
Why are you hating on him? He actually writes.

[Anonymous No.17680638]

>>17680624
Just write, how hard is it to understand?

[Anonymous No.17680652]

>>17680638
For many? Difficult.

[Anonymous No.17680656]

>>17680624

pic didnt post
>>17680638
i tried but i didnt like my voice so scrapped the entire thing i hate you so much man

[Anonymous No.17680658]

>>17671442
It’s a smart advertisement

[Anonymous No.17680661]

>>17680656
Just keep writing until you find it. You're finding excuses to not write.

[Anonymous No.17680667]

>>17680661
Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.17680677]

>>17680624
i would start by not writing at all

[Anonymous No.17680697]

>>17680677
>>17680661
why are you guys acting like i dont write you are being cruel
>>17680624
why arent my pictures posting doe sthis work hello??

[Anonymous No.17680700]

>>17680677
But my dream of becoming like Thomas Pynchon.

[Anonymous No.17680714]

>>17680697
>why are you guys acting like i dont write you are being cruel
Well, if you actually write, you wouldn't be having this problem.

[Anonymous No.17680724]

>>17680700
>>17680714
I do write ok its just that i dont read all the smart books on /lit/ because im busy writing and i work as a gas station attendant and fear for my life every night
ALSO WHY WONT MY PICTURES POST
does /lit/ not allow images outside of OP
>>17680624
pic related im gonna quit if this doesnt post

[Anonymous No.17680734]

>>17680724
Sounds like an excuse.

[Anonymous No.17680753]

>>17680734
listen these posts would make more since if i could post the pic that captures the tone and prose i want to aim for

[Anonymous No.17680908]

[Anonymous No.17680973]

>>17680908
This is the tone and prose and feel and voice I want to capture

[Anonymous No.17680995]

>>17680973
So shit?

[Anonymous No.17681013]

>>17680995
huh

[Anonymous No.17681838]

>>17679883
BookFunnel for marketing. Have to pay though.

[Anonymous No.17682228]

>>17677933
Navy blue with pink polka dots.