/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17664385]

Who do you think is the best artist to ever walk on earth across all mediums?

[Anonymous No.17664391]

>>17664385
Either Goethe or the Band The Mars Volta

[Anonymous No.17664454]

>>17664385
Me

[Anonymous No.17664468]

>>17664385

William Blake

[Anonymous No.17664480]

>>17664385
Probably Wagner.

[Anonymous No.17664500]

[Anonymous No.17664509]

[Anonymous No.17664512]

>>17664385
some cumbrain

[Anonymous No.17664513]

>>17664480
On a technical level, this, but as far as a poetic vision, "how far one sees," it would go to any number of the more typical names. Goethe as the other anon said, Shakespeare, Dante, Homer, Aeschylus, Cervantes, etc.

[Anonymous No.17664528]

>>17664385
>across all mediums
only one answer

[Anonymous No.17664555]

>>17664500
/thread

[Anonymous No.17664559]

>>17664509
Who dis

[Anonymous No.17664561]

>>17664500
cringe

[Anonymous No.17664594]

Answer will present itself, if you reveal to us what properties does your concept of "best artist" have. And then clarifying, from which premise those properties were chosen, over all others? Really interested in getting an answer to this >>17664385

[Anonymous No.17664622]

>>17664559
DiCaprio

[Anonymous No.17664628]

It’s like asking what is the best culture to ever walk across earth, or who was the best warrior to ever walk across earth, which are kind of absurd questions and I don’t think they can be answered definitively.

[Anonymous No.17664636]

>>17664528
Explain your choice

[Anonymous No.17664639]

Chadgner
Moggd neetsczzz hard into a mental breakdown

[Anonymous No.17664640]

>>17664628
>I don’t think they can be answered definitively.
We already got a lot of answers here

[Anonymous No.17664645]

>>17664500
Saw his interviews, he doesn't seem too deep

[Anonymous No.17664655]

Liam Gallagher

[Anonymous No.17664663]

>>17664500
>so random lol
That summarizes his work. inb4 LYNCHED, go back to /tv/ faggot

[Anonymous No.17664680]

>>17664663
Sorry bro but

[Anonymous No.17664705]

>>17664640
Doesn’t mean they’re right.

[Anonymous No.17664721]

>>17664454
this anon

[Anonymous No.17664759]

>da Vinci attributes:
>one of the greatest painters ever (arguably the greatest)
>brilliant inventor, engineer, scientist and mathematician

>Wagner attributes:
>one of the greatest composers ever (arguably the greatest)
>brilliant poet, dramatist, scene-painter and philosopher of art and society

Any other competitors?

[Anonymous No.17664779]

>>17664759
>William Blake attributes
>one of the most fascinating painters ever
>one of the best verse and prose writers in existence, even inventing free verse
>creator of a self coherent religious and philosophical system

[Anonymous No.17664786]

bertrand russel

[Anonymous No.17664787]

>>17664385
Bach, Big Willie or Homer.

[Anonymous No.17664800]

>>17664636
the one true polymath. please feel free to dive into his work.

[Anonymous No.17664835]

>>17664759
Except Wagner used it all towards his Total Work of Art architectonically across his life, while Da Vinci could quickly captures the figurative of an idea (first as sketch, then as painting), though sometimes with a mathematical unity, it was quickly moving from one project to another. That is to say, Da Vinci's polymathy was more disconnected from just art itself. So Op's question depend on what he means by "all mediums".

[Anonymous No.17664841]

>>17664835
Maybe OP doesn’t even mean using multiple fields but just, who’s the best of the best of all time, ignoring the medium they used? At that point we could bring in people like Shakespeare and Bach into the question

[Anonymous No.17664892]

>>17664385
She's got that dreamy look because I'm just under the surface with her, servicing her nether works, injecting my kaviar into her spice jar. Not long after she'll start to spawn at the turn of dawn.

[Anonymous No.17664902]

>>17664841
I don't think being a polymath reduces one's ability to be an artist, but what you say does broaden the question to pretty much any great artist.

[Anonymous No.17664904]

>>17664391
>the Band The Mars Volta
I mean I think Deloused is a pretty good album but they were drug addled degenerates who never did anything comparable after that

[Anonymous No.17664917]

Liszt

[Anonymous No.17664932]

>>17664787
I agree with Bach and Shakespeare. I have to add Rubens.

[Anonymous No.17664947]

Dostoy

[Anonymous No.17664959]

>>17664932
Rembrandt > Rubens

[Anonymous No.17664961]

Kanye West, musician, fashion designer, painter, architect.

[Anonymous No.17664965]

>>17664904
Deloused is my favorite album of all time and Frances was also god tier. Only after Octahedron did they fall off imo

[Anonymous No.17664975]

>>17664480
>Too talentless to compose a proper symphony

[Anonymous No.17664984]

>>17664385
Radiohead

[Anonymous No.17664985]

>>17664904
>>17664965
stinky san fran hipsters

[Anonymous No.17664996]

>>17664975
Imagine lacking this much musical education.

[Anonymous No.17665020]

>>17664385
Are we still looking for the most retarded question on /lit/ ever?

[Anonymous No.17665028]

>>17664985
Im portuguese

[Anonymous No.17665033]

All true men have a muse which they can't refuse, she is the origin of the world and the greatest artist that mankind has ever or will ever come across till cyborg voices wake us and one drowns in a sea of zeros.

[Anonymous No.17665044]

Jamiroquai

[Anonymous No.17665051]

>>17664996
Opera is a lowbrow medium and Wagner is a lowbrow composer. His progressive tonality was half-baked when compared against Mahler, and Brahms was the better late romantic composer generally. All of them were inferior Mozart, Bach, and Schubert, and not just in a relative sense. I won't shit on leitmotif because I'm not some mamby-pamby queer like Adorno.

[Anonymous No.17665082]

>>17665033
Emin is shit tho

[Anonymous No.17665088]

>>17664996
Opera (except for Dido and Aeneas) is a lowbrow medium and Wagner is a lowbrow composer. His progressive tonality was half-baked when compared against Mahler, and Brahms was the better late romantic composer generally. All of them were inferior to Mozart, Bach, and Schubert, and not just in a relative sense. I won't shit on leitmotif because I'm not some mamby-pamby queer like Adorno.

[Anonymous No.17665114]

>>17664385
Mishima

[Anonymous No.17665159]

>across all mediums
That’s retarded anon
But as someone born 27 years ago:
the best musicians are stravinsky and beefheart
the best filmmaker is unanimously bresson

[Anonymous No.17665169]

>>17665114
Seconded

[Anonymous No.17665203]

>>17665088
>Opera (except for Dido and Aeneas) is a lowbrow medium and Wagner is a lowbrow composer.
Crappy and inexplicable logic.

>His progressive tonality was half-baked
Meaningless words.

Pretty much every important musical figure of the Romantic era (everyone you named to be sure) would disagree with you. And without Wagner we would understand Mozart far less, because he is the closest composer to him.

[Anonymous No.17665226]

>>17665203
Lel, Brahms would hold Wagner in higher regard than himself?

[Anonymous No.17665237]

>>17665226
As he did.

[Anonymous No.17665276]

>>17665237
If not posessing a Wagnerian indignation of Wagner himself was a prerequisite for not sucking him off, then the perhaps Nietzsche was correct in his assessment.

[Anonymous No.17665364]

>>17665237
If not posessing a Wagnerian indignation for Wagner himself were a prerequisite for not sucking him off, then perhaps Nietzsche was correct in his assessment.

[Anonymous No.17665367]

>>17664385
/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

[Anonymous No.17665401]

>Brahms, a collector of historic music scores and first editions, owned the Wagner's handwritten score of the "Venusberg" music from Tannhäuser and the concert ending for the prelude of Tristan and Isolde, given to him by friend and pianist Karl Tausig in 1864 (Bozarth, New Grove (2001), 4:188; Swafford, 269-70) When Wagner learned what Tausig had done, he was outraged. Brahms finally agreed to give back it back—in 1875—in exchange for a deluxe printed score of Das Rheingold (Swafford, 400-401).

Wtf was Brahms so greedy?

[Anonymous No.17665464]

>>17664385
This guy is in the top 10 at least and so are Flight of the Conchords
Also JS Bach, Monet, and Proust

[Anonymous No.17665473]

>>17665364
I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.17665493]

>>17665464
And ah throw in a filmmaker ... Terrence Malick

[Anonymous No.17665504]

>>17664385
Jesus

[Anonymous No.17665515]

>>17665504
unironically high IQ answer

[Anonymous No.17665518]

>>17664385

And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

[Anonymous No.17665522]

>>17664904
Frances the Mute pretty dang good, but I prefer ATDI

[Anonymous No.17665546]

>>17665518
Powerful words

[Anonymous No.17665547]

>>17665464
During Steve Martin younger age, there were already color pohotagrphs phototakers. Whys this one black and white ? Not questioning his artistry tho

[Anonymous No.17665747]

Are all great artists damned for their vision, their pride?

Also Fra Angelico and Hieronymous Bosch

[Anonymous No.17665814]

>>17665747
>Are all great artists damned for their vision, their pride?
A first interesting question, but one which itself turns into pridefulness when it supposes so much good in the world is bad, and it itself better.

[Anonymous No.17665829]

>>17664513
>>17664391
What's so great about Goethe? Could you describe his work to me?

[Anonymous No.17665833]

>>17664480
>Wagner
https://youtu.be/-gjbxJsg8mY

[Anonymous No.17665845]

>>17665833
Problem? It's not that bad, it's just something he wrote on the side for a woman.

[Anonymous No.17665878]

>>17664391
Hilarious b8. Zero (0) people like Goethe.

The answer>>17664385 is Shakespeare

[Anonymous No.17666011]

>>17665829
Read Faust and you'll understand

>>17665878
Filtered beyond comprehension

[Anonymous No.17666187]

Leonade del vincho and if you don’t agree you are a midwit brainless Reddit fag

[Anonymous No.17666199]

>>17664961
Eat a dick

[Anonymous No.17666206]

>>17666187
I'm not disagreeing with your choice, but da Vinci is the go to "genius" for reddit.

[Anonymous No.17666645]

Michelangelo and if you don't agree you are a midwit brainless Reddit fag

[Anonymous No.17666785]

>>17664385
Don't know, but Hemingway, Robert Smith, Wong Kar-wai, Terrance Mallick, Ian Curtis, Cocteau Twins, Salinger, Kubrick, Henry James, Lynch, and Joyce are all top notch

[Anonymous No.17666789]

John von Neumann or Avey Tare

[Anonymous No.17666793]

>>17666645
Michelangelo is pretty much entirely an artistic genius though, and for the plastic arts at that. He's probably the greatest purely plastic artist there ever was, but there are others equally as far reaching in the non-plastic arts.

[Anonymous No.17667384]

>>17664454
Agree

[Anonymous No.17667390]

>>17666785
good taste minus salinger

[Anonymous No.17667396]

Michelangelo

[Anonymous No.17667405]

>>17666645
>>17667396
>sistine chapel
>last judgement
>moses
>david
>pieta
yeah it's not even close. 5 of the all time greatest masterpieces, all by the same man

[Anonymous No.17667410]

>>17665814
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here

[Anonymous No.17667413]

>>17667405
You don't think da Vinci or Wagner compare?

[Anonymous No.17667437]

>>17664892
Interesting prose

[Anonymous No.17667445]

>>17666785
>Hemingway
Hack

[Anonymous No.17667450]

>>17664892
This is quite good (in a skitzo way). You should write a novel anon.

[Anonymous No.17667453]

>>17667413
we're really splitting hairs when comparing men of this caliber. simply if I had to give one name I would select Michelangelo.

[Anonymous No.17667461]

>>17664468
This.

[Anonymous No.17667463]

>>17667410
What Nietzsche says about Christianity becomes true (in the modern context), when one thinks any kind of pridefulness of great men isn't wholly excused in people like Michelangelo, wherein it's hardly a Biblical pridefulness. Even in great men like Goethe, who were not Christians, I find it hard to think because they did not say with words what every Christian does, that he is less than any of us because of sin. What sin has he destroyed, or even stopped! By his historical presence.

[Anonymous No.17667470]

>>17667453
Fair another, there is a kind of all-important theological revelation in Michelangelo's art, which could easily make him the greatest.

[Anonymous No.17667476]

>>17664759
Da Vinci also worked in theatre creating innovative moving elements in the stage and scenery. Also he did interior design for the wealthy family he worked for. We'll never get to see some of his missing work.

[Anonymous No.17667484]

>>17667470
yes that is true. I also think that if any other man created one of his five masterpieces, they would be immortalized in history for it, yet here is Michelangelo who created all five. perhaps I am biased because I have seen these masterpieces on person, and as you say, they are almost divine in their beauty.

[Anonymous No.17667494]

Bach.

[Anonymous No.17667495]

>>17665044
My man! Ultimate shameful pleasure.

[Anonymous No.17667500]

Mark E Smith, maybe Leonard Cohen
some days Ian Curtis

[Anonymous No.17667506]

>>17667484
What do you think about Thorvaldsen? I don't know enough about sculpture myself but I've heard many say that he's the greatest sculptor to ever live, including Stoddart. Here's a lecture by him which talks about it, even though I'm not a Schopenhauerian, it's well worth a watch on its own:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FPdrLlshRA

[Anonymous No.17667519]

björk

[Anonymous No.17667530]

>>17667506
a master

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17667542]

>>17667519

[Anonymous No.17667563]

I'd argue that Plato in two mediums is more significant (and better) than many polymathic candidates ITT.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17667567]

>>17667563
Artist, anon.

[Anonymous No.17667574]

>>17667567
You're a retard if you don't think poetry is art.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17667591]

>>17667574
Plato wrote in hexenmeter?

[Anonymous No.17667632]

>>17667591
You hold Gorgias' df. of poetry? Plato didn't.

[Anonymous No.17667666]

>>17667591
what is your count butterfly

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17667689]

>>17667632
I’m sorry, the signal garbled that a bit. What did you say?

>>17667666
My sheets thread count?

[Anonymous No.17667698]

>>17664385
anyone who answered with Goethe is not a serious person, just repeating a received opinion

[Anonymous No.17667704]

>>17667530
Better than Michelangelo?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17667717]

>>17667698
Some of us read his books, anon.

[Anonymous No.17667752]

[Anonymous No.17667767]

>>17667689
Lmao, fuck off pseud. You would be hard pressed to find any serious scholar that didn't think Plato was a poet, for reasons including (but not limited to): the dialogues' formal debt to Old Comedy and the Sicilian mimes (esp. Sophron); his conflation of poetry and myth-telling in Rep. III, coupled with the fact that he's both a teller of myths and an imitative poet by his own definition; theia mania; the literary impact of his most famous myths and allegories. Either Plato was a poet by his own contemporary standard, or else by modern standards. It holds in both cases. IDGAF whatever sing-songy shit Gorgias thinks, who was — by his own admission — not a poet himself. Shut the fuck up before you needlessly interject again.

[Anonymous No.17667770]

>>17667752
what is this