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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

>Anyone who studies the Qur’ān closely, and tastes the unique and rich experience of living within its ambience, will immediately identify the distinct character of every one of its sūrahs. Every sūrah has an aura and a personality of its own, with unique and well-defined features, and a feel that makes it stand apart from all the rest. Moreover, every sūrah revolves around a central theme, or a number of major themes related to one another by a common thread or idea. Every sūrah radiates its own atmosphere of meaning and essence, within which its theme, or themes, are discussed using the same well integrated and well coordinated style and approach. It also has its own special rhythm and musical pulse which accord with the meaning and context of its topics and content.

-Sayyid Qutb

Please note: classical Arabic uses quantitative verse (like Latin and Greek), not qualitative. The enlongation you hear here isn't embellishment or singing but simply correct classical pronunciation

Some short Surahs for your heart
https://youtu.be/YaOZS4ZoRY8

https://youtu.be/gmdTyUr4DzA

https://youtu.be/mkOwo41gkp8

Islamic links pastebin including links to exegesis by Qutb and Ibn Kathir, although for the latter I recommend you either buy the hard copies, or use a decent app
https://pastebin.com/CKbsaqE0

إن شاء الله my next thread will deal with Jesus, عليه السلام, in the Qur'an. What is the nature of his character to Muslims? Is it possible to reconcile his and his mother's celibate nature with the polygyny and concubinage of the Qur'an? Or his loving attitude ("Forgive me people for they do not know" as they are beating him is also related in a Hadith) with Qur'an's emphasis on religious empire and warrior spirituality? إن شاء الله I will cover it all. But for now just enjoy Qur'an

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https://youtu.be/l8VF5p4oPDE

>> No.17644796

>>17644624
Abraham was Satan though

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>>17644624
>Sayyid Qutb

/lit/ has unironically become a recruiting grounds for Islamic terrorists.....or a cia honeypot.
This is pretty hilarious

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>>17644827

>> No.17644858

>>17644796
Could you elaborate? He left his tribe in order to worship only Allah

>>17644827
I don't think anyone has a problem with Lenin or Schmitt being discussed here and they're just as radical

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>>17644827
Yikes

>> No.17644888

>>17644827
>>17644844
>>17644875
Please stop spamming the thread, the quote is not even political

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>>17644827

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>>17644827
Adam curtis - the power of nightmares

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>>17644827
Look what he influenced. Look what he did

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>>17644827
Qutb is death.

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>>17644827
Look what he did

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>>17644827
Why is the intellectual predecessor of al qaeda allowed to be posted on this board without consequence?
OP needs to die

>> No.17645115

https://youtu.be/D1RL-lQZuqQ

>> No.17645824

What's with all those islam propaganda threads out of nowhere?

>> No.17645834

>>17644624
I can't read arabic, I had a hard time learning English and that's my native language. I failed at learning every other language I ever tried to learn. Is the translation good enough to get the message or am I filtered from Islam?

>> No.17645835

>>17645824
CIA psyop.

>> No.17646125

What is an easy way to learn arabic if i could speak/understand it when i was a child?

>> No.17646153

>>17645834
I think you could learn it you wanted to in sha’ Allah

I think if you want just a pure English then Arberry's definitely comes the closest to Qur'anic rhymth and style

>>17646125
Can you read it?

>> No.17646180

>>17646153
I can't read it.

>> No.17646208

>>17646180
Have you tried the Arabic links in the pastebin?

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>>17644624
>>17645834
All you need to know about the Q*ran.

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>>17646216

>> No.17646230

>>17646216
>>17646222
posts explaining

Aesthetic of the Qur'an
>>>>/lit/thread/S16511592

Qualities of the Arabic.
>>>>/lit/thread/S17183069

Rest of the pic addressed
here
>>>>/lit/thread/S14651153

And continued here
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8248530

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>>17646222
>>17646216
All you need to know about M*hammad, the worst man that ever lived.

>> No.17646235

>>17646234
Who's going to read this shit tho

>> No.17646285

>>17646234
>Allah is the moon god

That was Hubal

No need to read further with someone who is a clear liar

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>>17646216
>>17646222
More about the unholy Q*ran.

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The Bible is 60+ books written over a period of thousands of years by dozens of authors. There is, literally, nothing like it in the history of the world.
The Iliad is one book of poetry written by one person.
The Odyssey is one book of poetry written by one person.
The Aeneid is one book of poetry written by one person.
The Quran is one book of poetry written by one person.
The Divine Comedy is one book of poetry written by one person.
Paradise Lost is one book of poetry written by one person.
The Prelude is one book of poetry written by one person.
Leaves of Grass is one book of poetry written by one person.

>> No.17646348

>>17646329
Yes however if the criterion is divine writ that changes things. Your criterion is number of authors

>> No.17646399

>>17646348

You're just assuming it's divine. There's certainly no reason for anyone to believe it is. The history of the Quran is riddled with problems.

>> No.17646407

>>17646399
I'm not just assuming, obviously I think it is for a reason because the Quran doesn't present a fideist epistemology

>> No.17646412

>>17646407
Well that made absolutely no sense.

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Muhammad didn't even write down the Quran nor does the Quran ever instruct anyone to.

In fact, it isn't even certain how the Quran even came to be written down, since the earliest record of how that happened was recorded TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY PLUS YEARS LATER by Bukhari who lived hundreds of miles away.

If someone today were to write down, for the very first time, something that happened in 1790 and their only sources were oral, you'd say it was bullshit. "Well, this guy said he heard from his grandpa that he once heard another guy his uncle told him...." Yea, I'm sure that's a reliable way to learn what happened 230 years ago.

>> No.17646474

>Just downloaded the koran while watching a documentary on gay culture in the 1930s
the duality of man

>> No.17646508

>>17646441
By this logic Homer wrote during the Middle Ages

take some time to consider the printing press, thank you

>> No.17646519

>The people asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): Can we perform ablution out of the well of Buda'ah, which is a well into which menstrual clothes, dead dogs and stinking things were thrown? He replied: Water is pure and is not defiled by anything.
https://sunnah.com/abudawud:66
Why did Muhammad instruct fellow muslims to bath in menstrual cloth and dead dogs?

>> No.17646557

>>17646508
No, you're not understanding what I wrote.

The earliest account of how the Quran came to be recorded is itself only recorded 250+ years later.

It would be, like, if the earliest book we had about the War of 1812 was written in 2015.

>> No.17646664

>>17646519
This incident has several narrations and only this mentions dead dogs and menstrual clothes, and in jurisprudence these are considered things which make water ritually impure because that has evidence in other narrations

>>17646557
No, you mean the earliest details of its precisely collation and propagation. Similarly there are not real details on how the Iliad or Odyssey were committed to writing

Again you are making a confusion regarding the printing press

>> No.17647093

>love Islam in theory
>but personal beliefs align highly with a mixture of mutazila, sufi, or quranist beliefs
>would be immediately isolated if I converted
What do I do bros? Should I just stay a wannabe observer?

>> No.17647099

>>17647093
I think maybe you have to step outside the western mindset which sees beliefs as customizable expression of personal identity

>> No.17647104

>>17647093
>I want islam without all the retardation associated with it
That's not possible. Islam is a low IQ religion for inbred beduins and you have to come to terms with this reality.

>> No.17647114

>>17647099
idk why you say this when all those positions were developed in the Islamic world.

>> No.17647133

>>17647114
I'm aware but how you're approaching them wasn't

>> No.17647144

>>17647133
Tell me how I am 'approaching' them.
I didn't just flip a coin and choose my beliefs for the fun of it. They aren't 'customizable'; it is what I believe to be the truth.
Now please tell me how I am wrong simply because I'm 'western'.

>> No.17647166

>>17647144
Why do you consider these beliefs true as opposed to others?

>> No.17647175

>>17647166
Is the Quran the complete and final revelation of God?

>> No.17647182

>>17644915
Keep pissing your pants.

>> No.17647186

>>17647175
Yes as it were, dreams still contain revelation and also of course the Sunnah

>> No.17647194

>>17647186
So in other words 'No'.

>> No.17647201

>>17647182
Given how America mogged the ME post 9/11 I don't think they should be the ones pissing their pants.

>> No.17647204

>>17647194
No the answer is "yes" if by revelation to mean "wahy" in its full sense and by complete you mean the Qur'an is completed

>> No.17647207

>>17647201
>mogged
Go back

>> No.17647215

>>17644624
taqiyah, you always go on saying you're not supposed to study the Qur'an before having heard it recited to you again and again.

>> No.17647220

>>17647215
I never said that....

>> No.17647223

>>17645835
transparently so

>> No.17647252

>>17646664
Cope
Or are you really that dumb?

>> No.17647398

>>17644624
Unironically one of the worst "sacred" book ever written.

>> No.17647420

>>17647398
Unironically you think you have the capacity to understand and therefore criticize it

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>>17647420
>ad hominem refutation

Quran is plain stupid. That is.

Hurr hurr Allah is poweful hurr hurr Momo is prophet hurr hurr hurr bad people to hell hurr hurr midle eastern legend hurr hurr
Repeat ad nauseam. That is the quran.

>> No.17647451

>>17647435
>Ad hominem
Nice try, but why do you think an ancient text, written in a completely different language, should immediately be accessible to you without having built a foundation and the capacity for digesting it's content? When you see a chart of "Start with the Greeks" meme you see it recommending reading the political and historical setting of the ancient greece, then some early philosopers then moving on to newer, slowly building up to understanding over the span of several years.

>> No.17647568

>>17647451
>But I teach history anon...

>>17647451

>do you think an ancient text, written in a completely different language, should immediately be accessible to you without having built a foundation and the capacity for digesting it's content?

YES! I can enjoy Dovstoievski even if i don't speak russian.
I read and enjoyed a lot The Pillow book and Tale of Genji even if I am not japanese and EVERYTHING is foreign to me.
You don't need to be a Greek specialist or christian to recognize how great it is the Passion in St.Mathew gospel.
Etc.
Great literature is beyond borders.
And sorry. Quran is flat and boring. Not a drop of literature.

>> No.17647594

>>17647568
just linguistically the Quran BTFOs the pillow book so shut the fuck up you obnoxious name dropping faggot.

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Daily reminder that A- Muhammad never existed

>> No.17647620

>>17644827
Correct, it's sad
>>17644858
>I don't think anyone has a problem with Lenin or Schmitt being discussed here and they're just as radical
That's because they're not advocates for religion. Schmitt isn't, at least.
>>17647435
That's a bit harsh but it's definitely the most boring and shallow of all the great holy books. Yes, even than jewish texts. But Islam is a watered down judaism for the masses anyway.

>> No.17647627

>>17647568
>Not a drop of literature.
Good, because it's not literature. It's a religious text.

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>>17647619
B- Islam is a fabricated religion

>> No.17647632

>>17647620
>That's because they're not advocates for religion.
I thought the issue was radical thought

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>>17647594
Ehh no.

Even The pillow book has more value since not only has beautiful it is also artistically beautiful. (It uses kanjis).
So:
Narrative value: The Pillow Book
Composition: The Pillow Book
Visual appealing: The Pillow Book

3 - 0

How can muzzies even recover?
>>17647627
The most honest take here.

>> No.17648194

>>17647812
The Qur'an is (without any academic doubt) superior on all counts)

>> No.17648472

>>17648194
sneed

>> No.17648476

>>17648194
There's nothing really that comes close to it. The Qur'an that is describable is not the real Qur'an.

>> No.17648761

>>17648476
>>17648194
Stupid opinions.

>> No.17649392

>>17646329
And Gilgamesh beats the living fuck out of all of those

>> No.17649446

>>17644624
The quran was a hoax invented by allah to sell handguns to the japanese before pearl harbour oh look at that you got oyour ass handed to you at least you've got handguns

>> No.17649470

>>17644624
fuck you you wanna come anywhere near me again you better read https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%25D0%259C%25D0%25B0%25D1%2582%25D0%25B5%25D1%2580%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BB%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B7%25D0%25BC

gotcha good and all god bless you BUT it's leptogenesis not design peace

>> No.17650862

>>17647628
>fabricated religion
so like all religions?