/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17639499]

Is there a chart for Knight literature? I couldn't find one in 4chanlit.wikia

[Anonymous No.17639532]

>>17639499
Try /sffg/

[Anonymous No.17639645]

>>17639499
Song of Roland
Das Nibelungenlied
Don Quickoats

[Anonymous No.17639649]

Mabinogion

[Anonymous No.17639693]

>>17639499
Orlando furioso

[Anonymous No.17639699]

>>17639645
Add Carmina Burana.

[Anonymous No.17639738]

>>17639499
The Knight by Gene Wolfe

[Anonymous No.17639889]

>>17639499
Don't read historical books, read this from the founder of the Templars.

[Anonymous No.17640484]

Where do I start?

[Anonymous No.17640522]

>>17639645
No Ivanhoe, no Parzifal? Amadis the Gaul?

[Anonymous No.17640561]

>>17639499
Eat cum you faggoted frogposter

[Anonymous No.17640647]

>>17639699
Lots of bawdy stories of monks and priests but this one in particular is a glorious declaration of the Crusaders' triumph in the near east. Makes one think of knights triumphantly parading.

https://youtu.be/TL1xSxFfh_I

[Anonymous No.17641073]

>>17639645
>Don Quixote
if you want to stop reading chivalric novels

[Theological virtues No.17641120]

- Faith: allows the knight to believe in the invisible, to see spiritually God and his work. It is also imperative for the knight to have hope, charity, loyalty and for him to be a servant of the truth. If faith declines, man stops believing in God and the invisible. By faith, Knights are also servants of religion: they pilgrimage to the Holy Land, they wage war against the infidels and defend the clergy from the wicked.

- Hope: makes the knight entrust himself to God in battle, so he will receive his help from him. Hope makes the knight have courage, that he is not afraid of suffering hardships. without hope, the knight could not exercise the order of chivalry.

- Charity: without charity, a knight could become cruel and evil, which is not allowed in the chivalric order. The knight must be charitable to esteem God, have mercy on the weak and mercy of the vanquished

[Cardinal virtues No.17641157]

- Justice: a gentleman without justice has no reason to exist, since justice is the principle of chivalry.

- Prudence: through prudence, good and evil are known, just as the knight learns to love good and be an enemy of evil. Prudence also makes it possible to foresee the consequences of present actions, so that physical or spiritual evils can be avoided. For the gentleman, it is more. The use of reason and understanding is more important than that of weapons.

- Fortitude: allows the knight to fight the seven vices or deadly sins.

- Temperance: it is a virtue between the vices of majority and minority. The gentleman has to use temperance as a middle ground when fighting, drinking, eating and speaking, among other actions. Without temperance, the order of chivalry cannot be obeyed.

[Anonymous No.17641191]

What's the
>A Book of Five Rings (by Miyamoto Musashi)
>Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai (by Yamamoto Tsunetomo)
>Bushido: The Soul of Japan (Inazō Nitobe)
>Musashi (by Eiji Yoshikawa)
of Knight lit?

[Anonymous No.17641200]

What's the
>A Book of Five Rings (by Miyamoto Musashi)
>Hagakure: The Book of the Samurai (by Yamamoto Tsunetomo)
>Bushido: The Soul of Japan (Inazō Nitobe)
>Musashi (by Eiji Yoshikawa)
of Knight lit?

[Vices or capital sins No.17641208]

- Gluttony: weakens the body and impoverishes man, in addition to causing laziness and weakness. The gentleman must know how to face them with abstinence, continence and temperance.

- Lust: the man tries with youth, beautiful features, abundance of food and drink, ornaments, occasion, falsehood, injury, contempt for God and Paradise, little fear of hellish hardships, etc. The knight has to fight lust with strength and nobility of courage, remembering God and his commandments instead of having impure thoughts.

- Greed: it must be fought with the nobility of courage, since the knight can become greedy and greedy and can commit injuries, twists, disloyalty and betrayals.

- Laziness: due to heartburn, man prefers evil to good: when he does good, he feels bad; when he does wrong, he regrets that he could not do more. Heartburn can only be overcome with strength and faith in God.

- Arrogance: it is based on inequality and leads to loneliness, which can only be countered with humility and strength. The gentleman who becomes proud must remember why he is gentleman.

- Envy: it is contrary to three virtues of the chivalric order: justice, charity and generosity. The envious knight, instead of gaining goods by force of arms, becomes lazy and thinks all the possible deceptions to seize what does not belong to him.

- Ire: it turns memory into oblivion, understanding into ignorance and will into anger. The virtues that fight anger are courage, abstinence, charity, and patience.

[Vices or capital sins No.17641227]

>>17641120
>>17641157
>>17641208
source: 'Llibre de l'orde de cavalleria' by Ramon Llull

[Anonymous No.17641274]

Does anyone know if Gerusalemme liberata is comparable to Orlando furioso?

[Vices or capital sins No.17641300]

>>17641274
Gerusalemme liberata is a religious response to Orlando Furioso, that is a humanist turn of the chivalric literary tradition. Gerusalemme liberata is an epopee of the Christianity

[Anonymous No.17641329]

>>17641200
I feel like Knighthood/Chivalry is ultimately lacking an easily digestible manual.

[Vices or capital sins No.17641420]

>>17641329
here's one >>17641227, but it's not well known, it was written in Catalan and then translated to some languages during the middle ages, but it's hard to find it translated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramon_Llull

[Anonymous No.17641808]

>>17641274
If you fancy the Orlando Furioso there is also the Orlando Innamorato by Boiardo, which the Furioso was supposed to be a sequel of.

[Anonymous No.17641845]

>>17639499
Poem of the Cid

[Anonymous No.17642411]

Tales of Dunk and Egg

[Anonymous No.17642457]

>>17639499
>when you realize he's actually dabbing on southerners who were so obsessed with sir walter scott that they got their states demolished in a brutal war of attrition

[Anonymous No.17642473]

>>17639499
A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms

[Anonymous No.17642669]

>>17639499
>>17639532
I read Rosemary Suttcliff's Arthurian trilogy as a child and teenager often and liked it a lot.

[Anonymous No.17642706]

>>17641208
>- Laziness: due to heartburn, man prefers evil to good: when he does good, he feels bad; when he does wrong, he regrets that he could not do more. Heartburn can only be overcome with strength and faith in God.
Interesting. What do you reckon the author means by "heartburn"?

[Anonymous No.17643001]

>>17642706
sorry, a bad translation, it is 'accídia' that means laziness

[Anonymous No.17643025]

>>17643001
KEK and here I was struggling to interpret it as some poetic imagery.

[Anonymous No.17643137]

>>17639645
If you're including the Song of Roland just tell OP to look for the Chansons de Geste, and I'd include the Lais by Marie de France as well

[Anonymous No.17644296]

>>17643137
Any similar works that aren't Frankish? I feel like that ought to be ones centering on knights of Alfred the Great, but who knows? Maybe Saxons didn't like music.

[Anonymous No.17644351]

Don Quixote BTFO'D this entire genre for eternity

[Anonymous No.17644410]

>>17639499
Just read Malory desu. He was extremely well read in the French romances and condensed them intelligently.

[Anonymous No.17644471]

>>17644351
>for eternity
No, only until Ivanhoe
>Ivanhoe is credited for increased interest in chivalric romance and medievalism.

[Anonymous No.17645789]

>>17639499
Sir Gawain and the Green Knight

[Anonymous No.17646336]

>>17639499

[Anonymous No.17646688]

>>17639499

[Anonymous No.17647578]

>>17646336
What's this from?

[Anonymous No.17648337]

>>17641200
The book of the order of chivalry by Ramon Llull.

[Anonymous No.17648532]

The Crusades: Iron Men and Saints

[Anonymous No.17648791]

>>17639532
Fuck off with that fantasy shit

[Anonymous No.17649059]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Chivalry

>The Book of Chivalry (French: Livre de chevalerie) was written by the knight Geoffroi de Charny (c.1306-1356) sometime around the early 1350s.

>Geoffroi de Charny's most famous work is his 'Book of Chivalry', written around 1350, which is, along with the works of Ramon Llull and Chretien de Troyes one of the best sources to understand how knights themselves described and prioritised chivalric values in the 14th century.

[Anonymous No.17649180]

>>17639532
Wich one should I start with?

[Anonymous No.17650115]

Knight lit with this feel?

[Anonymous No.17650207]

>>17650115
All modern fantasy.

[Anonymous No.17650667]

>>17644296
Tbh I don't really know of anything that's exactly the same, given that much of our conception of these styles is continental European, and I think something German has already been mentioned.
For something less Frankish you could look at any of the Sagas, any of the (admittedly brief) poems in Old English Poetry: An Anthology by Liuzza, or you could even begin working your way into Middle English, with works like The Morte Arthur, The Bruce, The Siege of Calais, King Horn, Havelok, and the Peterborough Chronicle, which all have snippets in An Introduction to Middle English by Fulk. Sadly I've not read most of these in their entirety, so I can't describe them, they're just what I have on hand to provide a starting point of sorts. You could also consider looking at Rolandskavet which is a Norse rendition of the Song of Roland, or the Strengleikar, which are the Lais with some additions and other changes and turned into a Norse work.

[Anonymous No.17650700]

>>17641200
Surprised no one mentioned Baldassare Castigliano's Corteggiano, though it most pertains to Renaissance chivalry.

[Anonymous No.17650806]

>>17650700
Courtier ain't knight

[Anonymous No.17650863]

>>17650806
They were.

[Anonymous No.17650962]

>>17650863
partially, the title doesn't make you a knight as we understand it. Having the title Sir isn't the only riquirement

[Anonymous No.17652266]

>>17646336

[Anonymous No.17652394]

>>17650115
>$500 cold steel greatsword
>a fucking recurve bow
Must be a mall ninja mercenary.

[Anonymous No.17652866]

>>17650115
>nooooo not my larping filled with teh gayz
Larping has always been filled an attention whoring hobby that requires a wallet and not skill.

[Anonymous No.17653206]

>>17652266
lel

[Anonymous No.17653436]

>>17644351
not how art works

[Anonymous No.17653440]

>thread been up for 2 days
>still no chart

[Anonymous No.17653498]

>>17653440
Start:
Malory, Morte d'Arthur

More Arthurian:
Chretien de Troyes
Gawain and the Green Knight

Arthurian but really weird:
Parzival
Perlesvaus

Not Arthurian:
Song of Roland
Nibelungenlied

Not Arthurian and weird:
Orlando Furioso
Gerusalemme Liberata

Chivalry deconstructed:
Don Quixote

[Anonymous No.17653833]

>>17653440
>>17653498

[Anonymous No.17655122]

>>176538

[Anonymous No.17655171]

>>17639499
I remember reading somewhere the knighthood chivalry thing having Islamic roots. Any books on this as well as the origin of chivalry/knighthood?

[Anonymous No.17655342]

>>17655171
WE

[Anonymous No.17655562]

>>17655171
That's bullshit. Deep down chivalry is a caste of cavalrymen that rose to intermediate social prominence as cavalry dominated early medieval warfare and the carolingian empire fragmented. Later it developped (or was developped for them) an ethic made of christian ideals, epic poetry based on carolingian, briton or graeco-roman legends, courtly love, and ancient philosophy.
The closest thing muslim woud have is mameluk furusiyya and that much narrowed to technical horsemanship. Also mameluks were Turks and Caucasian slaves belonging to the sovereign, not free men, though they finally assume actual rule.

[Anonymous No.17655570]

>>17655342
>>17655562
HEH GOTEM

[Anonymous No.17655683]

>>17655562
>mameluk furusiyya
and futuwwa
>a conception of moral behavior around which myriad institutions of Medieval confraternity developed. With characteristics similar to chivalry and virtue, these communal associations of Arab men gained significant influence as stable social units that exerted religious, military, and political influence in much of the Islamic world.

[Anonymous No.17655752]

>>17639499
>no one mentions The Faerie Queene
O /lit/, what hapned to thee?

[Anonymous No.17656039]

>>17653498
>>17653833
you're missing Luigi Pulci's Morgante: arguably the weirdest Italian epic

[Anonymous No.17656061]

>>17655562
Noble cavalry classes go all the way back to Rome niqqa (the Equites). Then again, Parthians and various Eastern empires had their own heavy cavalry like cataphracts (different to Mamluks, far earlier as well). In all likelihood, these are all independent developments.

[Anonymous No.17656068]

>>17652266
This is excellent.

[Anonymous No.17656079]

>>17653498
>>17653833
>Start:
>Malory, Morte d'Arthur
Why?

[Anonymous No.17656093]

>>17656061
No joke captain obivous, greek cities had hippeis too. We're not talking about them or roman equites, who were just people rich enough to keep horses, but about chivalry and its specific culture.

[Anonymous No.17656823]

>>17656079
Malory summarizes all of the vulgate cycle in English. I think it's a good if-you-can-only-read-one starting of point for knightly literature. Those who are filtered by it's length can read Gawain instead. There are longer, more repetitive books on the list anyways. In closing, if you don't like it you can make your own chart.

[Anonymous No.17657899]

>>17653833
Where's the revival section? >>17644471

[Anonymous No.17658592]

>>17657899
Ivanhoe, Idylls of the King, anything else?

[Anonymous No.17659293]

>>17658592
LOTR

[Anonymous No.17659388]

>>17659293
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.17659586]

>>17659388
Name one author who's done more for medievalism

[Anonymous No.17659862]

>>17659586
Anyone who is:
1. On 4chan
2. Looking for a knight literature chart

has already read Tolkien. It would be a waste of space putting on the the world's most widely read and commonly available authors on a chart for people looking for obscure and hard to find literature.

[Anonymous No.17660076]

>>17639889
Yet he personally stepped in to stop people from killing Jews. WHY!?

[Anonymous No.17661382]

>>17650700
It's probably not what he's looking for. Book of the Courtier is more for elites/nobles and pretty much detaches them from armed service.

[Anonymous No.17662656]

>>17659293
>lotr
>knights

[Anonymous No.17663190]

>>17641420
Thank you for your effort anon

[Anonymous No.17663213]

>>17655171
imo both europe and the islamic world developed a concept of religous chivalry seperatley. In islam it is rooted in sufism which was common amoung the upper classes back then

[Anonymous No.17664070]

>>17639499
Me love the apu knight