/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17636429]

Long time /pol/ack here. What books will revert my /pol/ brainwashing? I've considered myself a white supremacist libertarian with fascists tendencies for the longest time. I'm not even white I just think white people are the most beautiful, smartest, etc. And we should strive to make humanity white by eugenics and there's a lot of evopsych evidence that proves whites are the most attractive race and the smartest too objectively. After so many /pol/ infographs thinking like this just became second nature to me since I know my ideology is backed by scientific facts however I've always felt a deep fear that maybe I'm wrong and that maybe the lefties were right about stuff, like I see poor kids dying in Africa and I think "lol based nogs dying" but then feel a deep remorse afterwards. Idk what are some books that might change my view I'm really having second thoughts, and so many people are against nazis that I think maybe theyre right and I just accidentally got myself into a cult or something. Like I always thought time would eventually prove us right and wed be the heroes of history but what if I'm wrong, pls help me /lit/ (asking here because your lefties and /pol/ is too much of an echo chamber)

[Anonymous No.17636440]

You should feel ashamed of yourself.

[Anonymous No.17636442]

Read nassim taleb's antifragile

[Anonymous No.17636445]

>>17636429
Rousseau's Social Contract and Foucault's Discipline and Punish should the job nicely

[Anonymous No.17636465]

>>17636429
>libertarian
Cringe
Also nice bait

[Anonymous No.17636468]

>>17636440
Why though, like isn't it suspicious to you that every mainstream media outlet shills communism, loving black people and trannies etc. Like I don't trust them that's why I got into this shit in the first place, you don't see George Soros funding fascist organizations because he actually fears them and instead funds shit like antifa because he wants a communist government where he could control us all

[Anonymous No.17636471]

>>17636429
The problem is that you are just going to blame the jews when a leftie points something out that is flawed with the system to you. Any recommendation that counters the major works that are shilled here (culture of critique, that IQ book, etc) are all going to maintain the same language and playground you feel most comfortable in, causing you to revert back to your default nazi self. Part of the pull of the red pill is that anything that proves itself to be against it is part of the plot itself. Literally go outside.

[Anonymous No.17636476]

>>17636465
What's wrong with libertarianism? Capitalism is the best system we have and the only one that makes technology progress, my country is full of commie cucks and our economy is shit thanks to that, instead for example Chile has a libertarian government And is doing way better than us

[Anonymous No.17636481]

>inb4 300 replies

[Anonymous No.17636487]

>>17636476

[Anonymous No.17636497]

>>17636487
Shitty products doesn't mean it can't innovate still capitalism is the reason were able to talk to each other from different parts of the world right now

[Anonymous No.17636500]

>>17636476
lol

[Anonymous No.17636502]

Whites are objectively the superior race -- all things being considered. However that's not to say other races are of no use or should be exterminated. Basically you're not entirely wrong, but to identify as a white supremacist is retarded. Of course you feel bad being so callous in the face of suffering. I'm sure you must feel pity for animals, and even livestock... Human suffering even more, regardless of race.

You probably just need to get out more. Work for some low income property manager, or volunteer at a shelter

[Anonymous No.17636503]

>>17636481
too late

[Anonymous No.17636509]

>>17636429
There's no singular book. Just educate yourself properly starting with the Greeks and eventually you'll feel embarrassed about your /pol/tard phase. I went through the same thing. This is coming from a right-winger.

[Anonymous No.17636511]

>>17636429
Read Plato, read Aristotle, then read the Neoplatonists (Plotinus, Proclus. Boethius). then read the Summa Theologica. Read the Catholic Bible as you go along. That way you can form an actually useful right-wing ideology. also, science is never the foundation of any belief system, ethics and metaphysics are.

[Anonymous No.17636512]

>>17636497
The internet was developed and funded by the military, and subsequently educational institutions, which, while private, are still categorized as non profits. The vast majority of technological advancement has been done on the backs of tax payers and large socialist institutions, you absolute fucking third world retard.

[Anonymous No.17636516]

>>17636476
"fascist tendencies" my ass, you're basically a confused conservative
Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.17636523]

Just stop reading trash like Siege and find peace with the diversity we have in this earth. Whites are great and so are black tribes in africa and communities in Asia.

The separation/preservation of the diverse races is the important thing here.

Just listen to some Jared Taylor interviews

[Anonymous No.17636526]

>evopsych evidence

[Anonymous No.17636528]

>>17636516
I mean fascist as in we should do like Pinochet and purge the commies because libertarianism can't work with retard commies that don't understand economy and chimp out all the time

[Anonymous No.17636535]

>>17636429
Don't worry too much about whether you're right or wrong. Thinking should be about joy, not truth. Eugenics, really, is all about joy—it's a utopian space of freedom for the scientific imagination. And even if you know blacks are bad at pattern recognition, you can admire their childlike playfulness, their disdain for life without honor, etc. No need to waste all day on /pol/ looking at stats to see what's obvious and appreciate its beauty and humor. You don't have to choose between the nazi echo chamber and the mainstream echo chamber: away with echo chambers! No more stone castles, only castles made of clouds! Decathect from power; taste the sweet air of freedom.

[Anonymous No.17636537]

>>17636512
>you absolute fucking third world retard
Yeah but socialism is why my country is third world, the USA is the greatest country because they have very low government restrictions and your economy is ten times better, a poor person in USA lives like a king thanks to the economic progress you guys had thanks to Reagan etc

[Anonymous No.17636538]

Here you go retard

[Anonymous No.17636549]

>>17636500
Libertarians are retards but this is a poor example. The cars have to meet government-mandated fuel economy standards, so they all converge on the same aerodynamically-efficient silhouette.

[Anonymous No.17636561]

>>17636429
>I've considered myself a [blank] [blank]ist [blank] with [blank] tendencies for the longest time.
You should read those really long suicide notes written by antinatalists, maybe they’ll get you to kill yourself too.

[Anonymous No.17636567]

>>17636429
fake and gayer than Jussie Smollett

[Anonymous No.17636572]

>>17636429
You should start with the classics and work your way up from them,the goal should not be to get stuck in the left vs right dichotomy but is to grow as a person and being able to take your own decisions

[Anonymous No.17636573]

>>17636476
TIL “fascist tendencies” means that you like to call hitler based for massacring Jews whilst never actually looking at the important defining policies of the third reich

[Anonymous No.17636586]

>>17636528
Actual communists understand economy far better than any fascist could because there is so much theory, which is also communism’s downfall, It’s all theory. There is no fascist economy because it’s basically just capitalism, hence why the liberal party in Germany sided with Nazi’s

[Anonymous No.17636591]

>>17636429
Everyone sees through you, discord tranny.

[Anonymous No.17636602]

>>17636537
lmao, wow my TV set is 60% cheaper and bigger thanks to all the jobs getting moved to china. Wow, I sure love this reganomics. What the actual fuck bro.

[Anonymous No.17636627]

>>17636429
Your deep fear of being wrong is nothing more than societal pressure and having having insecuroty in your personal life.
The sad truth is /pol/ was always right, and everything you read will do nothing more than confirm it.
You are free to lie to yourself, however I warn you that you'll become an even worse version of yourself

[Anonymous No.17636656]

>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT TO THINK! THE LAST STUFF PEOPLE TOLD ME TO THINK MADE ME FEEL BAD!

Good bait, get fucked.

[Anonymous No.17636662]

>>17636591
Fuck off nigger
>>17636627
>Your deep fear of being wrong is nothing more than societal pressure and having having insecuroty in your personal life.
Yeah I guess you're right

[Anonymous No.17636673]

>>17636662
>GET BACK IN LINE DOG
>o-okay
>DID I TELL YOU TO SPEAK
>w-woof woof

[Anonymous No.17636693]

[Anonymous No.17636703]

>>17636662
Just face your personal insecurities in your real life with action. Quit porn, quit other addictions, treat your gf and your friends well, treat yourself well without spoiling yourself, and unplug for the internet for a while. Do your uni work, your skills, your workouts, whatever you have to do but you costantly procrastinate. Do samatha and vipassana every day.
your issues and fears lies within yourself, not your ideologies. Feel free to read Das Kapital or whatever, it won't make you bluepill yourself again. The usual /pol/ talking points (race is a thing, races aren't equal, jews are a huge problem from the world etc) are sadly completely true. Be a man and bear this instead of trying to lie to yourself

[Anonymous No.17636724]

>>17636429
>white supremacist
>not even white

Image your whole worldview is being cucked by your alleged betters purely on the skin colour they were born with by chance. Your only hope is to leave 4chan and pursue other hobbies and meet people, but you won’t. You’ll return to the /pol/ echo chamber, or /b/ and you’ll fall further and further down into the pit and eventually an hero because your life is a circle jerk of other sad sack abominations reflecting the worst parts of your personality. Your only hope in a better life is with nature’s soil. Knut Hamsun was a Nazi sympathiser so start with his book Growth of the soil and really better yourself

[Anonymous No.17636736]

SIEG HEIL SIEG HEIL SIEG HEIL

[Anonymous No.17636760]

>>17636703
>automatically assuming a /pol/tard is defacto a porn addict
y'all are so fucking pathetic lmaoo literal retards that can't control themselves trying to control the world

[Anonymous No.17636777]

>>17636760
No, I assumed it because trying to find the issue of your own insecurity in something external (aka if only I had a different ideology, I wouldn't feel ashamed of myself!" is typical of addicts, and most 4channers (including you, btw, and I could literally bet my scrotum on it) are porn addicts

[Anonymous No.17636781]

>>17636703
The problem is I'm lying to my friends because none of them know my views other than my libertarian views but they don't know about my white sipremacist stuff and some of them are nonwhite like me so I don't think they'd like that
And yeah maybe I should stop coming here but its lonely I can't talk about eugenics and all.that shit with my friends
>>17636724
Im sorry bro whites are just superior its not a coincidence that the whitest countries are the ones that are better off look at USA for example in comparison to mine (Argentina) my country is filled with subhumans, and were still the best country of Latin America next to Chile because we have more whites look at countries like Bolivia or Venezuela, absolute shitholes (and socialist too)

[Anonymous No.17636795]

>>17636724
You are an absolute fucking tart.

Op go watch Oswald mosleys speeches, I’m not gonna say you’re right but I’m not gonna say you’re wrong, decide for yourself who you want to be, don’t put it in other people’s hands.

[Anonymous No.17636797]

>>17636429
>m not even white I just think white people are the most beautiful, smartest, etc.
>I see poor kids dying in Africa and I think "lol based nogs dying"
>we should strive to make humanity white by eugenics
BASED AF
why would you want to change any of these opinions?
+75% of /pol/ is nonwhite anyways

[Anonymous No.17636812]

>>17636781
What makes a white person superior exactly? I feel you’re looking at the USA with very rose tinted glasses, and comparing USA to your own country, even in terms of size, is nothing short of retarded

[Anonymous No.17636821]

>>17636795
All OP needs to see is Mosely on his ass like the grifting coward he is

[Anonymous No.17636831]

>>17636812
>What makes a white person superior exactly?
White people evolved to be smarter thanks to living in colder climates, and this also made their features more beautiful. Like look at the world everyone wants to be white, whites are just naturally attractive and pleasing to the eye because they have more simmetrical faces and clear skin looks nicer. Literally all technology and culture is white too or happened thanks to white people, its just undeniable

[Anonymous No.17636836]

>>17636831
Question for you, where do you think mathematics, arguably the most important system we operate on, originated from

[Anonymous No.17636851]

>>17636831
Is this what /pol/ have done to your brain? Whites are better because of cold climates and symmetry? I think you’re beyond help, better to an hero

[Anonymous No.17636853]

>>17636429
Bypass political texts altogether for the time being--anything written from a right or a left perspective is only going to reinforce biases until you can train yourself to read through those biases.

This doesn't mean you can't ever be political--but you've got to learn how to use political ideologies like tools, rather than grafting them onto your identity like egoic masks. These things are incredibly powerful, and unbelievably useful, if operated properly. You could become far more perceptive and insightful than most people on either the left or the right if you study the roots of where these strains of thought come from. It's not easy, and I only feel like I can say these things because I'm in the process of doing the same, and I know that I've still got a ways to go. But the gains are worth it.

Read Plato--I'd suggest what I'd call his core-four Socratic Dialogues, the Euthyphro, the Apology, the Crito, and the Phaedo. These texts provide a basic conceptual framework that is invaluable: they investigate and deconstruct where societies get their sense and sources of meaning from; they provide examples of how to defend one's positions honorably and honestly in unfair odds and systems; they explain the idea of devoting oneself to a higher ideals; and they give a pretty moving account of an old man sentenced unfairly to death and how he chooses to deal with it, in his final hours, among his friends.

You should also read the Republic and Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics.

I'd also recommend the Existentialists--I'm very fond of Kierkegaard, whose definition of "faith" in Fear and Trembling as honestly engaging in a pursuit knowing you could completely and totally fail, and yet still chasing after it because you not only believe you can succeed, but because you believe the thing you're pursuing is worth the act alone, regardless of outcome, is the closest definition to a philosophical idea of unconditional love I've ever read.

Nietzsche isn't bad either--Birth of Tragedy, his first book, and Thus Spoke Zarathustra, essentially his modern hero's fable, are both fantastic explorations of emerging modern philosophical perseverance under the shadow of the death of God.

This is a lot, and there's so much more. I don't know if you'll read any of this, but if you got this far, thank you, anon. And I wish you well. And good luck.

[Anonymous No.17636866]

>>17636836
It was greeks, white people

[Anonymous No.17636908]

>>17636468
So instead of getting washed by one piece of media, you got washed by another. This makes you weak.

[Anonymous No.17636926]

>>17636908
But why would the mainstream try to suppress something if it isn't true though. Like if /pol/ wasn't right they wouldnt be taken seriously and ignored but they're actively demonized. Its really suspicious. Not to mention Jews also try to take down anything that says anything bad about them even if its true. Stuff about the Holocaust is very shady too. Like I can't just ignore that man

[Anonymous No.17636941]

>>17636926
They aren't taken seriously except for the whole insurrection and armed patrols of para military groups that make the whole turner diaries level shit actually serous.

[Anonymous No.17636942]

Lmao if this is a real person.

[Anonymous No.17636954]

>>17636429
I long for the days /b/ was the entry board for outsiders instead of /pol/.

[Anonymous No.17636955]

>>17636528
this is bait from a mad /leftypol/ tranny

[Anonymous No.17636967]

>>17636955
I'm not leftypol faggot this is a very common libertarian stance you don't know what youre talking about

[Anonymous No.17637176]

>>17636471
>This

[Anonymous No.17637189]

>>17636429
Stop using the internet, and read some Zen. Empty your head and forget everything. Detach yourself from the world.

[Anonymous No.17637211]

>>17636487
some of those are quite good actually, i love off-brand sodas and i like to try them whenever possible

[Anonymous No.17637226]

>>17636468
you're beyond repair. I suggest killing yourself and trying again.

[Anonymous No.17637229]

>>17636429
>libertarian with fascists tendencies
what?

[Anonymous No.17637242]

>>17636500
>Dumbass Reds don't understand the concept of convergent evolution

[Anonymous No.17637248]

>>17636429
>libertarian with fascists tendencies
you're retarded. I suggest saving yourself and everyone else the time and energy by killing yourself

>>17636537
read lenin

>>17636821
lmfao this image always cracks me tf up

[Anonymous No.17637280]

>>17636471
Based and go outside pilled

[Anonymous No.17637301]

>>17636429
Read Foucalt, Schopenhauer

[Anonymous No.17637309]

>>17637248
>Lenin
He's terrible though. Read Stirner
>>17637242
Like fascists, what drives people to become socialists is envy and resentment towards wealth and social status. Just stop having ontology that sees labor as virtuous, along with wealth, and you'll stop being a socialist in no time. Only then will you find your true self, and your life will be driven by passions other than vindictiveness and vengeance.

[Anonymous No.17637317]

>I'm not even white I just think white people are the most beautiful, smartest, etc
yikes

[Anonymous No.17637342]

>>17636429
>"I've considered myself a white supremacist libertarian with fascists tendencies for the longest time."
>"Really? That's cool, personally I'm a Thomist post-neoliberal Hegelian neopagan post-pre-Christian meta-authoritarian Orthodox Monarchist
Ecotechnofascist myself. Wanna play Fortnite later?
Why are zoomers like this?

[Anonymous No.17637349]

>>17636429
Maybe read Grapes of Wrath. Its beautifully written, and shows how people can be victims of environments and systems rather than being morally at fault.

[Anonymous No.17637354]

>>17636429
>"I've considered myself a white supremacist libertarian with fascists tendencies for the longest time."
>"Really? That's cool, personally I'm a Thomist post-neoliberal Hegelian neopagan post-pre-Christian meta-authoritarian Orthodox Monarchist Ecotechnofascist myself. Wanna play Fortnite later?
Why are zoomers like this?

[Anonymous No.17637366]

>>17637309
Why would I recommend Stirner over Lenin to someone who needs to understand the reality of imperialism? Or are you just being a sectarian fuckwit?

[Anonymous No.17637377]

>>17637354
Too much twitter; twitter is the epitome of simulacra; social media commodifies social cliches for data revenue. Zoomers are susceptible to this because its so easy to get attrachted to this virtual world when parents these days are hands off, and because we seldom communicate, especially now, outside of anonymous mediums. It dehumanizes us, and allows us to play a persona for internet clout and emotional satisfaction we otherwise can not get through our own insights and abilities.

[Anonymous No.17637384]

>>17637366
>Lenin
>Understands the reality of imperialism
Nah, there are several theories of imperialism, and Lenin clearly just plagiarized his from Hubson and Bukharin. Also, "anti-imperialism" is completely irrelevant, and only retards doing internet campism follow that non-sense.

[Anonymous No.17637388]

nietzsche, guy debord, raoul vaneigem. that kind of thing is more useful for breaking you out of thinking patterns than something like marx is

[Anonymous No.17637391]

>>17636586
>communists understand economy far better
Lol

[Anonymous No.17637397]

>>17637388
Vaneigem is still alive and writes stuff.

[Anonymous No.17637404]

>>17636586
Communist "theory" is just a bunch of utopian non-sense. Your a priori, communistic world view, is nothing more than a fraud. Socialism, Communism has never been achieved and never will be.

[Anonymous No.17637416]

>>17636512
>The internet was developed and funded by the military
Well yeah, like they said, capitalism.

[Anonymous No.17637429]

>>17636476
Any institution whose purpose is to control you and make decisions on your behalf should be feared but unrestrained capitalism is not the answer. Then you're just trading one malevolent force for another.

[Anonymous No.17637446]

>>17636429
Arent Jews the smartest though

[Anonymous No.17637460]

>>17636429
retire entirely from politics. Is a fools race towards nothing. You arent going to change anything.

[Anonymous No.17637484]

>>17637384
so explain to me why I would recommend Stirner?

[Anonymous No.17637492]

>>17637460
Shalom Rabbi!

[Anonymous No.17637571]

Just abandon ideology and focus on your life. Ideologies are a poor substitute for personal character and worldview. There is no "correct" politics, what we have now is a completely abnormal state of affairs, just ignore it. Find a center in yourself and try to do what is right according to your nature and reason. Also don't read leftist literature its garbage

[Anonymous No.17637603]

>>17636429
>white supremacist
>libertarian
Yep, you're fucked.

[Anonymous No.17637605]

>>17637571
>Ideologies are a poor substitute for personal character and worldview. There is no "correct" politics, what we have now is a completely abnormal state of affairs
> Find a center in yourself and try to do what is right according to your nature and reason.
yep
>just ignore it.
>Also don't read leftist literature its garbage
nah

[Anonymous No.17637654]

>>17636429
What race are you, OP?

[Anonymous No.17637687]

>>17636781
>argentina
every single time

[Anonymous No.17637778]

>>17636500
This is the result of heavy governmental regulation in the market. Cars have to meet strict safety guidelines, so they end up all looking relatively the same. You can go back just 20 years and see there was much more variety on the market. Regulation destroys innovation. Of course you know this already, and I'm just wasting my time replying to shitty lefty-bait.

[Anonymous No.17637911]

>>17637778
This is bullshit, look at the tesla truck. This phenomenon isn't even unique to regulated markets like auto manufacturing. Just look at >>17636487 or is there something which regulates soda companies into producing identical products with identical graphic designs?

[Anonymous No.17637922]

>>17636528
>fascist as in Pinochet
Jesus christ dude you're a living caricature. Learn about actual fascism and not some half way meme ideology (lolbert lmao) before you decide to undo whatever you're into as is. Either double down and learn proper right wing ideology or just be another irony poisoned husk that switches every year

[Anonymous No.17638033]

>>17636468
>Mainstream media
>communism

Yeah you're retarded just do us all a favour and kill yourself. Sincerely the white race

[Anonymous No.17638038]

>>17636429
Peak cringe. Get a reality check.

[Anonymous No.17638058]

>>17637404
Communist theory is not a priori. Read a fucking book.

[Anonymous No.17638061]

If not bait. Go outside you Nigglet

[Anonymous No.17638181]

>>17636429
Ok, so as a former Hoppean, I'm going to take this post at face-value, as I've been in a similar position as you, OP. The very first thing you have to understand, the most CRUCIAL thing, is that right-wing ideology is incredibly discordant with actual implementation. Pinochet may have had his "kill the commies for basic economics" rhetoric, but in practice, he sold his nation's soul to American corporations, plunged Chile into two deep recessions, and was one of the harbingers of neoliberalism. Reagan, too, promised "traditional values and austerity", but in practice, absolutely ballooned the national debt, set the groundwork for neoliberal globalization, and created the hedonistic, AIDS-encrusted consumerist culture of the 1980s. Fascism, too, is incredibly discordant and self-contradictory. In theory, it proposes a "third position" that opposes capitalism as well as communism and seeks to build national-syndicalist corporatism and nationalize the economy for the betterment of society. In practice, however, fascism was just a more brutal form of capitalism, guilty of mass privatization, the suppression of organized labor, and the rapid decrease of worker rights. And yes, I am perfectly well aware that the same thing stands for communism too, but at the very least, communists have actually tackled that question for over a century now, producing tons of different factions and theoretical interpretations of how actually-existing socialism fits the broader theory. Fascism and the other /pol/ ideologies, in contrast, shut their ears and go lalalalala whenever somebody brings up "Hey, Hitler espoused anti-capitalist rhetoric, but in practice subordinated his economy to corporate interests" or "Hey, Pinochet actually oversaw a worse economy than Allende, and Chile only really climbed out of his slump via multiple social-democratic governments." So, the very first thing you have to do is step back, look at the situation, and say "Does the ideology I'm consuming actually match its implementation?"

Then, with this in mind, I recommend you actually start to read philosophy. Not Evola or Mises crap that's not taken seriously outside fringe think tanks, but actual philosophy that tackles basic questions from ground zero. Personally, I recommend you put down /pol/ and actually read Plato, really pour through his dialogues and start to think about the broader questions of life, not just politics.

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[Anonymous No.17638190]

Only hylic materialists could seriously believe whites are the best race.

[Anonymous No.17638192]

>No answers to actual suggestions
Nice bait

[Anonymous No.17638194]

>>17636429
I'm not reading all that. Just fucking go outside, nigger.

[Anonymous No.17638236]

>>17637911
Tesla Truck also looks like absolute shit. If you wan something that actually looks reasonable and still complies with safety regulation then you end up with cars that all look relatively the same with some minor styling differences. Another example would be German beers. The Reinheitsgebot specifically forbade German brewers from using anything other than Water, Barley, and Hops. This stifled German brewers in the name of "purity" and safety. Meanwhile brewers in other countries outside of the Holy Roman Empire could experiment with other ingredients and styles, leading to unique new and popular products that were unavailable to the populations of Central Europe. Even today the Reinheitsgebot is still widely followed and and even praised, 500 years after the boring foot flavored beer got left in the dust by other nations brewers. As far as your point about imitation goes, if there'sa good product out there, then why wouldn't a company try to capitalize on it's success? Just because there are imitators doesn't mean there isn't innovation also, imitation is just laziness. Look at the Chinese, their entire economy is based on stealing other country's successes for themselves and producing cheap copies with slave labor. :)

[Anonymous No.17638247]

>>17637317
Literally prove me wrong. Tell me the left guy is more attractive than the right one. The right one has better skin, nose, and hair by default.
>>17637429
Capitalism isn't malevolent companies just want to make profit. Why would you be malevolent towards your fucking costumers (unlike government which is free to be corrupt and has nothing to lose)
>>17637446
No that's debunked there's a picture going around where it debunks it all but I lost it
>>17637460
Yes I can through voting, protests, spreading the word, etc. Stop being defeatist
>>17637654
I'm Latino, kinda dark skinned but shorta white like you can tell I have some European descent but not enough to be part of an ethnostate I guess
>>17638192
Tbh I was just looking for good arguments not really book recs the reason I posted here is because you guys are actually well read and left wing and pol is mostly right wing

[Anonymous No.17638255]

>>17638247
>Tell me the left guy is more attractive than the right one.
He is, actually. The white dude looks like a fucking cuck.

[Anonymous No.17638261]

>>17636429
>white supremacist libertarian with fascist tendencies
>after so many /pol/ infographs
>I see poor kids dying in Africa and I think "lol based nogs dying" but then feel a deep remorse afterwards.
this is the funniest shit i've ever read I hope this is real

[Anonymous No.17638262]

>>17636429
>>17638181
(2/2)

Additionally, for your race arguments, I have an exercise for you, OP, that I think would really help you. I want you to try to write, with scholarly-level research and consistency, a paper proving that white people are superior on a biological basis. You already say yourself that "there's a lot of evopsych evidence that proves whites are the most attractive race and the smartest too objectively", so the task should be quite easy, right? Just compile the loads of reputable, solid evidence you have to prove that white people are objectively the most beautiful and the smartest. Of course, if you do have trouble accumulating enough evidence and compiling it in a way to actually convince anybody, then it's very, very possible that your theories aren't nearly as solid as you think they are. I recommend you seriously try this exercise, because hey, if you can actually do it, then you'll have made a significant anthropological revolution, and should bring it to the public. Either way, I think this will be very beneficial for you.

Finally, I recommend you actually look at the modern Marxist left. Not the Bernie bros or the DNC shills, but the actual communists both here and abroad. As a former pollack, I will tell you that most of the anti-left rhetoric is based on the blatant strawman that every leftist, even the most benign social democrat, is a cuckold ethno-masochist Jew-worshipper Frankfurt shill who wants to "make everybody equal and redistribute everything over guilt". Now, I hope you realize how silly that is, to look at the Nepalese Maoists or the South African revolutionary unions and think they're just the same as crybaby Western liberals. I'm going to recommend you a scholarly journal, OP, called Monthly Review. It's a monthly academic journal comprising actual Marxist philosophers, sociologists, and economists (and yes, multiple long-time contributors, such as Amin and the Patnaiks, have actually made significant contributions to economists and have actually advised governments, so this isn't just "don't know basic economics") and it's free to look at. When you do, I hope you realize that, even if you still disagree with them, they still aren't anywhere near the absurd liberal-communist "postmodern-Marxist" ethno-masochists that /pol/ wants you to think of them as. In reality, Marxists are just dialectical materialists who believe that modes of production are the basis of the social superstructure, and that the main issue facing the world is obscene capital accumulation, recorded in mainstream economics as financialization and, in geopolitical terms, as neoliberalism. Either way, you'll see that Marxism has a very long and extensive basis that isn't just "Waaaaah make everybody equal cuz I'm lazy".
https://monthlyreview.org/

With all this said, OP, I hope you climb out of this, I really do.

[Anonymous No.17638263]

>>17638247
>Tbh I was just looking for good arguments not really book recs

[Anonymous No.17638277]

>>17636429
I would just take a look at traditional art/movies/music from around the world. I browse /pol/ a lot (because of breaking news and because I love the occasional "insider" thread) but it never persuaded me to become racist because I already spent so much of my youth watching foreign films, reading world literature, and listening to folk music from around the world. I think aesthetics are a great way to connect and break cultural boundaries, I mean, it's been the case since the dawn of civilization, arguably.

[Anonymous No.17638285]

>>17638261
I hope it's real because it's funny, but I also sort of hope it's not real because it's really fucking sad, especially the pic he posted of Pinochet (the globalist Israel-lover, keep in mind) next to the Kekistan flag. Feels like something I'd see in 2015, not fucking 2021.

[Anonymous No.17638289]

>>17638236
I never said the tesla truck looked good. You made the argument that auto manufacturers are forced to follow cookie cutter designs because of muh regulation, but the tesla truck is a very good example which disproves that. I don't give a shit about your ancient beer.
>As far as your point about imitation goes, if there's a good product out there, then why wouldn't a company try to capitalize on it's success?
Exactly my point retard. Instead of innovating, they choose to go with what already works. The exact opposite of innovation. Jfc you lolberts are stupid as hell.

[Anonymous No.17638314]

>>17637911
>>17637778
>>17636500
>>17636487

Both the soda cans and cars converging on a specific look is the result of Technique, not socialist or capitalist flaws

[Anonymous No.17638316]

>>17638247
>this white guy with bug eyes, weak chin, weak jaw, shitty hairline is better looking
lmfao why did you choose such a terrible example fucking retard hahahahaha BBC wins again

[Anonymous No.17638328]

>>17638285
I mean I say "i hope it's real" but I'm pretty confident it's satire with the kekistani stuff and admitting to being a non-white white supremacist like it's a fucking dave chappelle skit. There's still a small chance he's being for real though.

[Anonymous No.17638331]

>>17638181
>>17638262
OK thanks this seems more convincing. However my doubt is still why capitalist countries do so much better than countries with heavy socialist practices like mine, like Cuba, Venezuela, most of Latin america are shitholes, the only two answers are either brown people are dumber and that means more brown people = shitter country or socialist governments just kill any economic progress, with the excuse that "everyone lives" better when everyone actually lives worse and can't afford anything, and government handouts make poor people lazier and not even work

[Anonymous No.17638339]

>>17638262
>I want you to try to write, with scholarly-level research and consistency, a paper proving that white people are superior on a biological basis.
the whole fucking world was built by white people. how do you, an antiracist, explain this?
>inb4 well they were racist and so didn't give other people a chance, and various other copes
i've literally never met an antiracist that could adequately integrate this plainly obvious fact into their worldview, it's always some cope or lie here or there about the virtually negligible roles other races have played in the construction of the present world order and the forces that led to it

[Anonymous No.17638341]

>>17638289
So again you fail to refute the point that there can be innovation and imitation in the same economy without regulation. also
>lolbert

Nah. Ron Paul is cool but libertarianism has no real application. Just because I don't like regulation doesn't mean you get to shoehorn me into your pre-labeled box.

[Anonymous No.17638343]

>>17638316
This, there are dozens of examples OP could've used, but he managed to still use an image where the black guy looks decent while the white guy has a bad nose and mop hair. Somebody needs to archive this thread, it can't be forgotten how utterly pathetic /pol/ and lolberts are.

[Anonymous No.17638346]

>>17638316
I just picked the first Google result, here's maybe a better one. You can't deny white women are the prettiest (black women are statistically the least desired in the world)

[Anonymous No.17638360]

>>17638255
I don't like to engage in the BBC shilling shit but in this case OP chose an objectively less attractive white dude. Weird chin, smirking, terrible haircut. Guy on the right wins.

[Anonymous No.17638361]

>>17638346
the white woman in this one looks like a neanderthal and the black woman looks normal.

[Anonymous No.17638367]

>>17638341
>the point that there can be innovation and imitation in the same economy without regulation
Except that wasn't your point at all you fucking moron. Nice job moving the goal posts. Go sit with the lolberts, whatever the fuck special brand of retardation you are.

[Anonymous No.17638384]

>>17638341
PPRECIATE Y'ALL

[Anonymous No.17638389]

>>17638346
2>3>4=1
that black chick isn't anything special, just average, but that white chick looks weird, definitely not normal. The asian and jeet mog the white and black.

[Anonymous No.17638395]

>>17636429
>Comes to the only board where people read
>tries to justify philosophy for illiterate hicks
Good luck OP.

[Anonymous No.17638414]

>>17638395
>illiterate hicks
pure people untouched by the dark hand of modernism

[Anonymous No.17638419]

>>17638247
>companies just want to make profit. Why would you be malevolent towards your fucking customers (unlike government which is free to be corrupt and has nothing to lose)

At a certain point, unregulated companies become so large and so wealthy that they sidestep the free market. We saw this with railroad and oil companies during the Gilded Age in America. Monopolies inevitably form, and in the absence of competition there is no longer any incentive for large corporations to subject themselves to the interests of consumers. See Comcast, PG&E, the entire diamond industry, etc.

[Anonymous No.17638420]

>>17638339
Again, if you have actual evidence, as you claimed, that white people are objectively superior, including in factors like intelligence, then you should actually compile it and present it in an objective manner rather than relying on rhetoric and historical arguments. Not saying those can't be used for general debate, but if you really do want to substantiate the idea that one race is empirically superior to another race for certain biological reasons, you should be able to empirically substantiate that with biological evidence.

>>17638331
I appreciate you taking my words into account. Now, there is a bit of contrition here, namely that

1. Latin America has been overwhelmingly pro-capitalist for its entire history, most left-wing revolutions failed outside select cases like Cuba and Nicaragua, and the Pink Tide was an extremely recent phenomenon that doesn't explain Latin America's massive underdevelopment. It also doesn't explain why a Marxist-Leninist nation like Cuba, with a relatively high HDI and health and living standards, is far better off than the pro-US capitalist hellholes like Haiti, the Dominican Republic, and the banana republics of Central America. This isn't even mentioning the success of certain social-democratic governments (like Pink Tide Uruguay or Chile) compared to the performance of their past right-wing juntas.

2. The idea of "socialism just gives everybody handouts" doesn't really match reality. Nations like the USSR, Cuba, and China had/have incredibly strong work ethics and generally productive economies, particularly when one compares these governments to their pre-revolutionary (and in the USSR's case, post-Soviet) governments. Hell, the Soviet Union objectively acted on a principle of "He who does not work shall not eat". So sure, if you want to use that argument against the historic endgoal of communism, where everything is allocated per need, then go ahead, but it's entirely incongruous with socialism as it actually exists.

[Anonymous No.17638429]

>>17638339
China invented the printing press, Lydia (now Turkey) invented money, Greece invented democracy, Romans invented the concept of architecture, India invented the system of mathematics we use. Populism is a drug for retards. Go outside. Have sex.

[Anonymous No.17638433]

>>17638367

[Anonymous No.17638438]

>>17638414
The Common Clay of the New West

[Anonymous No.17638486]

>>17636537
reagan can kiss my scrotum

[Anonymous No.17638495]

>>17638420
>The idea of "socialism just gives everybody handouts" doesn't really match reality.
But in my country you get free money from just having lots of kids for example, and that's a socialist practice. you're essentially paying taxes to sustain that don't want to work and still manage to be criminal. I'm not talking about socialist countries like Cuba but capitalist countries with heavy socialist practice (like mine and most of latam). And regarding Cuba it looks like its stuck in time, it didn't have any progress at all and I've read some people that moved out and said its a shithole
And Venezuela is an absolute shithole too and that's socialist as well, and some american lefties defend Venezuela for some reason despite everyone living there hating socialism

[Anonymous No.17638510]

>>17638420
>rather than relying on rhetoric and historical arguments
my entire point is telling you to explain history as it actually literally happened, if you won't do that then i'm going to assume you're a retard who is incapable of it and has an inconsistent worldview that avoids inconvenient facts
>>17638429
wow good argument bro i will go have sex, with your mother
i should probably add, since i forgot i was speaking to children, that i didn't mean "the whole world" in its most literal sense - i am referring to the modern world, which is mainly a product of europeans (and their american descendants). whites invented the internet, computers, nuclear bombs, went to space, i'm pretty sure newton wasn't an indian, blah blah etc
basically, there is a absolutely mind-bogglingly disproportionate distribution of achievements between races which is the most obvious thing in the universe to people with, like, eyes, who can read history textbooks and see a sea of white faces, and not a single fucking "le enlightened antiracist" ever seems to want to address this except with copes and lies about shaquanda jackson was the mathematical powerhouse behind the moon landings or how shakespeare was actually a negro woman or how negroes would totally be on the moon at this very second if us ebil white people hadn't kept them down from reaching their true potential. this is not some subtle point, this is the most obvious fucking thing i can even think of and yet NOBODY WILL ADDRESS THIS, WHY?????
there is no amount of sex with your mother or any other of your female relatives that can sweep these things under the rug, it is an evident fact that requires an explanation other than "muh racisms"

[Anonymous No.17638511]

>>17638486
Reagan was epic though. He defeated the commie faggots and made America stronger and richer

[Anonymous No.17638647]

>>17636476
It creates monopolies that end up taking the power on all fronts and fucking in the ass your dumb desires of freedom because now you got to work for Mr. Goldbergsteinman's company (who happens to own alongside other 3 rich guys everything essential for living)
Also libertarianism isn't your trad wife in the fields retarded fantasy, as long as it can be sold degeneracy can and WILL be a product. Say goodbye to MUH NAZI tendencies faggot.

[Anonymous No.17638684]

>>17638495
If you define a "socialist practice" as welfare ("paying taxes to sustain that don't want to work"), then 99% of modern capitalist nations are at least semi-socialist, including the prosperous ones like Reagan's America and Pinochet's Chile that you pine for. Also, objectively speaking, regardless of how many Gusano anecdotes you hear, Cuba is a relatively prosperous nation for the region, as measured by HDI and certain indicators like death-rate due to malnutrition (which is lower than the US) and lifespan (which is actually comparable to the US). This is all while the nation is under a longstanding economic blockade as well as a massive pre-existing problem of production over-specialization. Also, as fun as Venezuela is for an example, there are plenty of comparable capitalist shitholes even just within the region. Venezuelans live shit lives under their socialism, just as Salvadorians and Guatemalans and Hondurans and Haitians and Dominicans all live shit lives under their capitalism. If you're going to use anecdotal examples of failed socialism as arguments, then you have to accept that it's a two way street.
And just to at least demonstrate a lack of total blinding bias, I will fully acknowledge that Venezuela's leadership phenomenally fucked up in building a spending-dependent, natural-resource-based economy knowing that any crash in oil, combined with an unwillingness for neoliberal nations to cooperate in economic rebuilding, would be the death of their economy. Chavez and Maduro were both utopian and naïve, and in contrast to modern examples like Nepal or Vietnam, are a prime example of socialism gone wrong.

>>17638510
>my entire point is telling you to explain history as it actually literally happened, if you won't do that then i'm going to assume you're a retard who is incapable of it and has an inconsistent worldview that avoids inconvenient facts
1. I think I've been quite cordial with you in this discussion, why call me a retard?
2. A purely historical argument is not enough to prove a biological and physiological claim. Again, you said you had tons of solid evopsych proofs of white superiority, why not bring them out now rather than argue semantics like this?

(Cont. in next post)

[Anonymous No.17638702]

>>17638495
>>17638510
>>17638684
3. In relation to the historical argument, if you actually look outside the confines of the last 500 years or so (historically a VERY tiny portion of total human existence), the relations between human civilizations were far more balanced.

Civilization first emerged in Mestopotamia, as well as fellow civilizations in Egypt, India, and China. These civilizations are responsible for most of the basic inventions and norms we take for granted today. Then, we saw the era of classical civilizations, which yes, did include the largely (but not exclusively) white civilizations of Rome and Greece, but also saw great powers in Abyssinia, Persia, and the aforementioned India and China. After the Romans fell, this distribution of global power only continued to spread: as Europe was tearing itself apart with religious wars and VIKANG chimpouts, the Arab world launched its rapid expanse and technological golden age, not to mention massive, awe-inspiring empires like the Inca, Ottomans, Chola, Mongol, Ming, etc. And yes, from the point of 1500 onwards (only after the aforementioned thousands of years of history where whites didn't dominate), white nations did rapidly expand and conquer most of the world. Still, even this period did not see complete and total white dominance. Non-white empires like the Ottomans and later Japanese managed to hold their own against these white powers, and at times, actively defeat them. There were also plenty of plucky non-white nations which managed to regularly defeat white expansion, such as Ethiopia and the Afghan tribes. And now, as we pull into the modern era, the era of political decolonization and the growth of the third-world, the power dynamic is already shifting away from pure white dominance. Non-white nations like Japan, China, India, Brazil, and South Africa are already recognized as major economies that can stand toe to toe with white ones. In the case of Japan and China, both are already stronger than every other white nation besides the US (which won't be white for very long, at this rate), and both are already cornerstones of global civilization (Japan providing a large bulk of global culture and technology, while China is now arguably already the nexus of world power.)

So, yeah, if you do look at "history as it actually literally happened", without choosing to zoom in on just the last 500 years or so (and conveniently forget the change in power dynamic over the last 100), there is nothing to support the white-is-superior narrative. Why are you, a non-white Latino, fighting so hard for a mindset that brands you inferior? There really isn't much to empirically justify it, unless you can deliver on those objective biological proofs you claimed.

[Anonymous No.17638711]

>>17636429
Letting Go by David R. Hawkins

[Anonymous No.17638748]

>>17638684
Okay the welfare thing kinda makes sense, I wasn't aware it was like that in most countries. I'll look more into the other stuff thanks, you convinced me enough. What bothers me is how poorly that kind of government works in our country, which is why I brought up the race thing as well. In whiter countries you see similar type of economies work fine but ours is a neverending inflation and Ive seen libertarianism grow more and more popular at least in forums and stuff here in response to decades of getting fucked by socialist goverments (our current government also supports Maduro which is beyond fucked). I've also noticed Brazil elected an actual right wing president and they seem to be doing fine, it seems to me most of latinoamerica is getting sick of socialist lies and Venezuela is the one example always brought up about the dangers of socialism

[Anonymous No.17638780]

>>17638748
You're welcome, and I apologize on my end for getting rather heated in parts as well. I do wish you the best, and I appreciate that you're willing to look into the stuff I brought up. The fact that you're this open shows that you're definitely not too far gone into ideology, and man, I wish you all the best.

[Anonymous No.17638803]

>>17638780
Thanks like I said I never was too sure but what /pol/ said always made sense with my experience but I'll try to look into it. Also that other guy isn't me btw (but I agree with this >>17638510) so I'll read your reply to him

[Anonymous No.17638818]

>>17638803
Oh, ok, gotcha. It didn't seem like you, given the far more edgy language of the other guy's post, but you can never be sure on 4chan of all places. I'll be signing off for the night anyways, OP, gn.

[Anonymous No.17638827]

>>17638684
>1. I think I've been quite cordial with you in this discussion, why call me a retard?
i think you are confusing me with someone else you were arguing with - i am >>17638339 and >>17638510, and none others. i am also unambiguously white, and not latino. but anyway -
obviously, many races have developed advanced culture. but you realize the trap here, right? if only some races have developed advanced culture, then what does that say about the ones who didn't? and there are many who didn't - the negros, the abbos, eskimos, plains indians, the list goes on. if part of your argument for why whites are not superior is that other races have developed civilization, then surely the ones who did not are inferior, right?
also, a few of those examples are not very good - japan is presently a vassal state of an arguably white country, afghans speak an indo-european language and i count many of them as "white", the incas, while they did develop advanced civilization, were destroyed so thoroughly by the europeans that you might have difficulty finding one to this day who is not mostly european himself
but really, i think that you are downplaying the significance of the "last 500 years or so". it is not a "tiny portion of total human existence", it is a massive monolith that will either tower over us for centuries like rome did in our dark ages while we ourselves revisit them or become a cornerstone in the next chapter of our history as a species (or, more likely, the former and then the latter). that "tiny portion of total human existence" contains the industrial revolution, the biggest advancement of our species since we learned to farm ten thousand years ago, at the start of our present geological epoch, while its consequences threaten to begin another one. you literally cannot overstate the significance of these events, human action that spans across geological time. and who was it that brought us here, but the product of european civilization?
this is the elephant in the room that the anti-racist refuses to address. he either denies its significance, by calling it a "tiny portion of human existence", or makes up reasons why they have to share the credit, or he calls it luck or trickery. why can't he at least admit its significance? why can't you admit that europeans built the entire modern world?

[Anonymous No.17638831]

>>17638702
>Why are you, a non-white Latino, fighting so hard for a mindset that brands you inferior? There really isn't much to empirically justify it, unless you can deliver on those objective biological proofs you claimed.
Again, not me but the white IQ evolutionary theory was what got me so idk I felt like I was coping by saying I'm equal to white people (there's no latino Einstein or Newton etc) so it just felt like accepting the truth to me

[Anonymous No.17638843]

>>17636429
>number one must bumped thread on /lit/ that has the same amount of replies as the writing general is a /pol/tard asking for books
Lol this board is so done man

[Anonymous No.17638858]

>>17636487
Refinement Culture, Skallas already explained this. Noob

[Anonymous No.17638879]

>>17638858
Skallas is a fraud. Refinement culture is nothing but 'technique' being applied to everything - sport, movies, etc. Naturally he takes a concept and dumbs it down for himself and his audience

[Anonymous No.17638889]

>>17636866
Do they not teach you in school about the Pre-Socratics venturing to the major centers of civilization, and learning their knowledge?

[Anonymous No.17638898]

>>17636429
Let me tell you something. Just stop visiting /pol/ realize that nationalism can be a good thing when taking care of a country and it's people. But do not let things get in your head. Move on from politics and find new hobbies and things to enjoy. A lot of extremist people i know tend to be antisocial and have no other things to fulfill their own lives.

[Anonymous No.17638905]

>>17637354
Labels and identities are important to younger generations it helps them fit in usually. We have all been there before.

[Anonymous No.17638919]

>>17638495
>But in my country you get free money from just having lots of kids for example, and that's a socialist practice
I would call it nationalist only because of the state giving money. It does not need to be right wing to be nationalist, there can also be left wing versions.

[Anonymous No.17638931]

>>17638827
I will never understand why Americans insist on seeing entirely different nations with entirely different cultures and lumping them in because they have the same skin colour. There are many reasons why the Spanish and Brits were insanely competitive over the past few hundred years, and much of it has to do with the Protestant work ethic, which many other cultures do not share. In India for instance the prevailing ideology for many hundreds of years was Hinduism, and before that was corrupted by the caste system it promoted living a disciplined and highly moral life, and freeing oneself of attachments, as was later appropriated by Buddhism. Competition and corruption inevitably hit, as they do with every organization at one point or another. You can see that very much in the Western society you revere, which is inherently corrupt, with governments breaking international law on a regular basis, to say nothing of America's own crumbling system. Now, this is where you blame non-white Americans for degeneracy etc, but really the degeneracy you see all around you is the natural trajectory of capitalism, where people will do almost anything for money. If you believe that this is what makes western society superior, then I hope you enjoy the birdsong while it lasts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDRY0CmcYNU

[Anonymous No.17638935]

>>17636429
>libertarian with fascists tendencies
Kek

[Anonymous No.17638975]

>>17638931
>You can see that very much in the Western society you revere, which is inherently corrupt
i revere it for its significance and contributions, i don't revere it for its present state, which i don't blame on anybody but ourselves. the western social order is superior to nothing, not even the most remote nomadic illiterate shepherd tribes. i really and truly mean that. but the european race, distinct from its presently deeply degenerated social order, has a claim to greatness which surpasses almost all other empires throughout history - it brought a new epoch to the story of man, and this can't ever be taken away no matter how far or how hard we fall (and we are, at what i can only hope is terminal velocity)
i'm not sure i've ever heard any birdsong to enjoy, i mostly spend my time wishing my continent would sink into the sea. but the other races can't even wish that - they can't blame their shortcomings on themselves, they first have to contend with the others who came and imposed their will on them first. they live in our world, and while they may have maintained their independence or sovereignty in it, they can't claim it as their own
we might be lower than dogs, but that just lowers everyone else down even further - they have to live in the world built by dogs

[Anonymous No.17638982]

[Anonymous No.17639003]

>>17636429
>white supremacist
>I'm not even white
I'm not going to read the rest, I know you are latin american (probably a sudaca). Stop selfhating and stop sucking european cock. Go outside, hang out with people and try to live a normal life.

[Anonymous No.17639164]

>>17636429
>>17636429
>>17636511
Careful when choosing a bible.
Segond fr and Reina valera es are also valid.

[Anonymous No.17639175]

>>17636487
Love me some Dr Bold

[Anonymous No.17639177]

>>17639175
>nooooooooooooo store brand soda bad

[Anonymous No.17639333]

>>17636673
Could you please write more of the dog stuff?