/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17629257]

Even the most mediocre of schoolchildren in 19th century Europe would have, by the age of 16, attained working proficiency in French, Latin, some Ancient Greek, and a little Hebrew; they would have a more advanced understanding of mathematics than today's students; they would know at least one instrument (likely two), and know a good deal of music theory. They would already know more about the history of their respective countries than the vast majority of you will know in your lives. They, at age 16, would have been more educated and informed than you could ever hope to be.

And yet, you live in the 21st century. You have the knowledge of the entire world for free at your fingertips. Never has it been easier to teach yourself about Plato and Aristotle; Leibniz and Newton. Virtually every great work of literature and music is FREE ONLINE, with all the notes and introductions you need. And yet you don't know any of these things. You don't know the difference between Solon and Solomon; you haven't read the Republic even in an "accessible" translation; you could not state even in briefest of terms the major formative events of your people. Why do you persist in this state, despite the benefits of the modern world? What the fuck is wrong with you?

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

[Anonymous No.17629265]

I'm busy living.

[Anonymous No.17629281]

>>17629265
"Sorry Socrates, but I really am in a hurry. We really must continue this conversation some other time."

You're the Alcibiades. You're the Euthyphro. You're the Protagoras.

[Anonymous No.17629286]

>>17629257
>you could not state even in briefest of terms the major formative events of your people
I just read a biography on George Washington so go suck on a lemon.

[Anonymous No.17629290]

>>17629257
The upper classes, yes. They would have been forced to do those things, without question, by expensive tutors that tended to them daily. Education was a luxury for the rich, and knowledge was a status symbol. Now? Education is generalized for the masses, and in higher education, specialized for a specific skill set. Why don’t you kill yourself and LARP in the DMT-filled death throes that greet you before your brain dies.

[Anonymous No.17629312]

>>17629257
I literally know more math than Newton. He never even used MATLAB. It took him his whole life to learn calculus and I learned it in like 6 months.

[Anonymous No.17629317]

>>17629290
>Education was a luxury for the rich,
>
And yet, you live in the 21st century. You have the knowledge of the entire world for free at your fingertips. Never has it been easier to teach yourself about Plato and Aristotle; Leibniz and Newton. Virtually every great work of literature and music is FREE ONLINE, with all the notes and introductions you need

[Anonymous No.17629344]

>implying the vast majority of us are free to govern ourselves

[Anonymous No.17629348]

>>17629257
I'd much rather shit post and argue with trannies on 4chan and twitter while I watch hentai, thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.17629350]

>>17629257
That was just upper class and they still do all those things now you just don't see them

[Anonymous No.17629357]

>>17629317
Maybe you ought to indulge in them, then, and analyze what my point was.

[Anonymous No.17629374]

>>17629257
You are correct but we also live in an age of unparalleled distraction. 19th century aristocrats never had to deal with the burden of youtube, social media, or television. Those of you who have it in you to resist the temptation of the unending stream of entertainment available to you will have a huge edge over your peers. But many of us simply aren't strong enough.

[Anonymous No.17629381]

>>17629257
Now re-write your post in French, Hebrew, Greek and Latin. If not, explain to use why you haven't taken advantage of all the knowledge freely available to you to become proficient in those languages. In any case, I'm sure you're a poseur.

[Anonymous No.17629392]

>>17629257
desu, this just sounds like the education of most European countries. I won't mention where I'm from, but when I was in high school, we had 3/4 compulsory languages, sciences, maths, humanities and arts and the option to centre your studies around one or both of the Classical languages. We had exams where we had to translate Plato, Demosthenes, Euripedes/ Suetonius, Augustine, Caesar etc. (depending on whether you were doing Latin/Greek) and all but two people in my class did not play an instrument and/or do sports. I quite literally went to and continue to attend operas and theatre plays with my friends, and I am not at all in any way exceptional in this. I know for a fact that this system of education still exists in the Teutonic countries, France, and the Low countries and is accessible to all people irrespective of their social standing. I cannot comment on the Southern and Eastern Regions. I am guessing you are not a Western European?

[Anonymous No.17629394]

>>17629257
>that pic
>that post
having some flashbacks here

[Anonymous No.17629405]

>>17629257
I agree with the sentiment behind this, but I also think you're being naive

[Anonymous No.17629416]

>>17629381
>explain to use why you haven't taken advantage of all the knowledge freely available to you to become proficient in those languages
I can do so easily: I am the equivalent of an ex-heroin addict telling you kids to stay on the straight and narrow. I didn't realise the error of my ways until I was already a man, and these things are harder to learn even in one's 20s, though I am trying with all my might. I hope to make at least some of you realise this before it's too late.

>>17629374
We're all gonna make it brah.

>>17629394
:^)

[Anonymous No.17629425]

>>17629257

human society is currently oriented towards specialization of skills instead of generalization/being a polymath; it is significantly more difficult to achieve that status because the depth of virtually every single field imaginable has increased, and innumerable new fields have been created. a modern self taught 16 year old is essentially helpless to give themselves any context to what they're learning, they'd be lucky to master one skill without completely falling prey to technological distraction

[Anonymous No.17629435]

>>17629257
All that information and you can't google past your idealized version of the past, which has been embedded into your head from the media and books you romantically consume. Pretty sad desu

[Anonymous No.17629436]

>>17629257
lmfao, fucking nerd

[Anonymous No.17629437]

>>17629392
>We had exams where we had to translate Plato, Demosthenes, Euripedes/ Suetonius, Augustine, Caesar etc. (depending on whether you were doing Latin/Greek)

Bruh what kind of fucking country do you live in? Lmao

[Anonymous No.17629441]

Showing off is not intellect.

[Anonymous No.17629457]

>>17629257
KEK imagine a 16 y/o from the 19th ce mogging a middle aged literary academic. I remember a professor of mine saying that Milton at 16 was more well-read and fluent in the classical languages than any modern Phd in the field.

[Anonymous No.17629461]

>>17629392
Where the fuck do you live? I attended a grammar school (selective) in the UK most people were barely more well read than the average normie. We were taught basic Latin for the first 2 years but it was clear that they had basically given up on anything rigorous in that regard, and not a single person bothered to take it for A level.

[Anonymous No.17629471]

>>17629257
Fuck off all my ancestors were farmers and villagers my parents are the first generation to grow up in a town

[Anonymous No.17629472]

>>17629416
>until I was already a man,
>in one's 20s
you’re talking like you have some significant amount of life experience but you’re probably younger than most of the boomers on here. knock yourself down a peg

[Anonymous No.17629473]

>>17629437
>bruh
>lmao

[Anonymous No.17629502]

>>17629472
My point is that one's teen years are the prime age to take advantage of learning in this fashion. Anyone who misses that window, no matter how intelligent, simply has to SRTUGGLE if he wants to attain this. Even the most dedicated of us have jobs and families to attend to, making it even more difficult.

[Anonymous No.17629525]

>>17629392
>I quite literally went to and continue to attend operas

Rather than figuratively attending operas? In any case, I always find this an amusing sign of 'high culture.' In the 18th-19th century, opera was often considered one of the frivolous forms of culture (as it wasn't considered some synonym for 'sophistication'--the manner in which you are trying to use it. Anyone educated about opera would know this.) This exemplifies the point of so-called education of any sort: you can't grow a garden in a desert.

[Anonymous No.17629545]

>>17629457
Reminds me of the anecdote about Richard Francis Burton taking an exam to become an Arab linguist and completely mogging the examiners that personally disliked him.

[Anonymous No.17629552]

>>17629473
>nooooo you can't use contemporary words! Thats cringe!!

[Anonymous No.17629563]

>>17629437
>>17629461
I said I wasn't going to say, but southern Belgium (though this education applies for the entire country). Latin/Greek is one the paths you can centre your education and is the one most parents want their children to do because it encapsulates all the other options (you will always get science, humanities, maths, etc). Otherwise you can centre it around human sciences, pure sciences or economics. What I have outlined here is concerned with the Enseignement Secondaire général.

[Anonymous No.17629570]

>>17629257
Lol are you high? This is not even remotely true. The average 19th century schoolkid was essentially a serf.

[Anonymous No.17629573]

>>17629525
Yes, until Meyerbeer, Wagner, Strauss, Debussy, and Stravinsky made it a respectable 'high art', which you would and should know as well. I think you're just being a bit sour.

[Anonymous No.17629577]

>>17629563
So you live in basically the one place the world where learning four languages is mandatory and you're giving the rest of us shit for not having done so? Your languages are French, Dutch, German, and English right? Plus the mongrel fucking French that the Parisians deride you people for.

[Anonymous No.17629587]

>>17629525
I'd assume that's because there were large numbers of 'lesser' operas produced that were the equivalent of today's musicals (i.e. where the term melodrama comes from) which are rarely performed today, and which people attended to see famous divas show off, whereas opera now is generally associated with the highest and most serious culture.

[Anonymous No.17629590]

>>17629563
Where did it all go wrong my fellow Angloids? Why aren't we like this anymore?

[Anonymous No.17629596]

>>17629257
maybe for the top 1% of society but that's true today as well.

[Anonymous No.17629600]

>>17629577
I am not deriding you at all, I'm countering OP's claim that this is a thing of the past and the system of education I have outlined is not that uncommon in the neighbouring continental countries either. The main difference being perhaps fewer mandatory languages, though I'm sure this is also the case in Luxembourg and Switzerland.

[Anonymous No.17629606]

>>17629552
>I am a lover of language and literature!
>Eww... Evolving vernacular. That's cringe. Everything must stay exactly the same!

[Anonymous No.17629610]

>>17629577
> English
> Dutch
> German

three languages that are essentially the same.

[Anonymous No.17629623]

>>17629570
Not in France. Rimbaud grew up in the countryside, and thanks to the creation of general education, he was learning Latin and ancient Greek along with his country bumpkin classmates, like any other rich kid in Paris.

[Anonymous No.17629642]

>>17629563
A FUCKING BELGIAN

[Anonymous No.17629674]

>>17629610
Bad bait

[Anonymous No.17629677]

>>17629257
Already play one instrument well and can do simple stuff in others, know music theory/history/analysis, delving into aesthetics, starting a Phil Major this year while doing my last Teaching Degree year, already speak fluently in a foreign language, trying to learn French (though Phil school has pretty solid French and German courses I've been told) and I'm not a NEET. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.17629685]

>>17629290
>>17629350
>>17629471
>>17629570
>>17629596
You are all missing the point. Of course it is true that a good education was restricted mostly to those who could afford it, be it the elite or the merchant classes. Of course it is true that modern education has to deal with the teeming mass of normies who could never hope to achieve anything of note.

But you're all here, aren't you? You all consider yourself at least a little bright. Unlike most of your peers, you find value in the pursuit of knowledge through literature, the arts, the sciences, philosophy. Do you really think that if you were to properly make use of benefits that the modern world confers on you as described in the OP, you still wouldn't be able to match that of a mediocre merchant's son at Rugby? We're all beset by distractions, by gay and cringe entertainment and social media. But we have a duty to ensure that we flourish to our fullest extent, and to pass that on to our children.

[Anonymous No.17629690]

>>17629674
true. there's only one worth using.

[Anonymous No.17629705]

>>17629374
>but we also live in an age of unparalleled distraction
I finally managed to quit video games and tv shows this year. It's liberating and alienating at the same time

[Anonymous No.17629734]

>>17629705
I quit gaming many years ago. I just lost interest. But shitposting online and scrolling is hard to stop. When you say it's alienating, are you talking about how it makes it more difficult to relate to your peers? I sometimes struggle with that. My co-workers would talk about tiktok, television, and Marvel movies and I just really, really did not care.

[Anonymous No.17629746]

>>17629685
I agree with your premise. Others are quick to deride because they understand this erudition in today's time is mainly self-caused.

[Anonymous No.17629756]

>>17629312
Difference between learning and inventing. Invent or come through with a mathematical breakthrough then compare yourself to Newton.

[Anonymous No.17629787]

>>17629257
What an insipid and feminine way to live life, what use is having your nose in books all your life when you can learn so much more from the World around you?

[Anonymous No.17629792]

>>17629257
yeah but we do drugs so it's cool

[Anonymous No.17629824]

>>17629787
You cannot learn from the world without some prior knowledge. You are right, that the purely intellectual life is overvalued by the intelligent, by the effeminate striver grad student, which is why I should have mentioned physical education, worldliness in my OP. Montaigne makes the same point as you in his essay on education, that the purpose of learning the classics, music etc. is to actually LIVE one's life in the REAL WORLD.
However, Montaigne is not some faggot Dewey-worshipping experiential learning pleb either. If you told him that learning Latin was useless, he would have struck you.

[Anonymous No.17629856]

>>17629824
This is why all young men should have healthy exposure to anti-intellectual life (work and military) so they don't end up forming an unhealthy attachment to it later down in life (in the form of hedonism).

[Anonymous No.17629934]

>>17629685
>children

I'm never having kids, also I don't read I just come here to shitpost

[Anonymous No.17629959]

>>17629257
>you could not state even in briefest of terms the major formative events of your people
Fire, wheels, agriculture, migrations and wars, Christian proselytization, Holy Roman Empire, death of HRE, ww1, ww2, occupation, freedom from occupation, death of the Soviet Union, joining the EU, 21st century

Go slit your wrists OP

[Anonymous No.17630037]

>>17629257
That is false, though.

Also, most people were illiterate.

Most great 19th century authors didn't really know Greek. Whitman, Dickinson etc. didn't know Greek. Even Tolstoy only learned to read Greek in his 40'. Most of them didn't know maths etc. James Joyce didn't read Greek.

Erudition is not the same as talent. If you spend your whole youth acquiring facts and knowledge by the time you're 30 you will be an imbecilic academic incapable of creation.
Same goes for reading. I made a post about this a few days ago: most great authors are not extremely compulsive readers. They read a lot, but less than an erudite would. What they mostly do is living and writing, because this is how masterpieces are born.

[Anonymous No.17630150]

>>17629934
I plan to have at least 8 children. I've always thoguht the idea of a big family sounded nice but now that I'm an ultranationalist I have a philosophical justification for it. I'll be doing my part in the survival of our people.

[Anonymous No.17630218]

>>17629374
You're thinking it in the wrong way.

Read Tolstoy's diaries: a 19th century aristocrat had a lot of things to do.
They had to read the newspaper.
They had to meet each other.
They had to go to sports because it was the only form of entertainment, and even in the mere fact of going there was already a waste of time - all transport was considerably slower.
They had to learn how to hunt etc. in order to make friends.

https://archive.org/details/diariesofleotols00tols/page/36/mode/2up?q=read

In Tolstoy's diaries you can see that he mostly read and wrote around four hours or so a day, at least during his youth (later he became more self-disciplined). You can gather from this that the average aristocrat read even less. During his most productive days he'd spend five or six hours reading and writing. Occasionally more.

Just learn to see the internet in the same way your ancestors saw the act of going a-hunting. It is the reality that we face. It is the world we live in. As Werner Herzog says, "it's coming at you", and an artist who refuses to see what's coming at him will never be a good artist, only as pasticheur.

You're often not really wasting your time by staying here on the web.
If you're an artist, everything is art matter, a subject fit for exploration.

You can write a major novel detailing the existence of a porn addict, of a 4chan user, of someone who kills himself over an internet discussion, of someone who's involved in a long distance relationship... These are the subjects of today, these are our times. You can reader look at them in the face, be a part of them, and create, or you can remain a pasticheur.

The only important rules are:
1. No matter what else you do, write every day.
2. Read books, not all books, but only a few careful chosen ones, and read them very carefully. In fact: don't read them, study them. If you wish to be a novelist, every good novel should be like a textbook to you. If you wish to be a filmmaker, every good film should be a lecture: watch it with a pen in your hand and a piece of paper nearby, pause and re-watch certain scenes etc.
3. Read about your craft. Read interviews with the masters, books on criticism, essays, and so on.
4. Try to acquire some general knowledge, both from books and from life. You don't need to be an erudite, but you need to know how to locate yourself culturally.

All of that takes around ten years and daily effort, but it doesn't mean you should become a 19th century Greek scholar.

Also remember that contemporary knowledge is different from 19th century knowledge. A 19th century person couldn't operate a computer, but many of us can even create our own computer programs (I can't, but at least I can do a thing or two).
If you want, say, to write a novel, you should also incorporate these new forms of knowledge into your creation, because it reflects the current epistemic condition of our culture. Turner painted trains, D'Annunzio and Faulkner wrote for the cinema...

[Anonymous No.17630228]

Its the distraction. Our higher self desires the intellectual and the difficult: things that do not immediately elicit pleasure. In modernity, however, we live in a time and a place where pleasure is a rife as accessibility to the knowledge of yore. The higher self is engaged in a constant and never ending battle against the lower self which desires only those things necessary for survival and those things that elicit pleasure. In this sense, we are not solely sapient but sapient and sentient and these are opposed. The reason why the western intellectual is so profoundly uneducated compared to his 19th century counterpart stems from the fact that it takes energy to actualize the will of the higher self whereas the lower self needs none of it; thus, when both pleasure and knowledge are available in equal quantity, only the most disciplined will seek knowledge and discipline, tantamount to recognition of the interplay between the higher and lower self, is quite difficult to cultivate.

To compound matters, we are all used to constant exogenous ego recognition and thus feel the void of isolation, something necessary to produce these great works, much more intensely. For example, I deleted all social media, sold my PC, exercise 6x a week, don't drink, don't use dating apps, and rarely go out (maybe 5 times a year): such discipline is quite literally freakish in the eyes of the general populous who, in the 19th century, had no power over the aristocrat who did the same.

[Anonymous No.17630253]

>>17630218
Thank you for your advice, anon. The time it took to get places is something I've thought about before but I don't think it makes up for the amount of time most of us waste now. This is still a very good comment though.

>>17630228
based

[Anonymous No.17630276]

>>17629257

If you genuinely believe this you're an actual retard. Literacy rates in the 19th century weren't close to what they were today. The children you are describing were part of the aristocracy. Eat a dick.

[Anonymous No.17630336]

>>17630037
Yeah just reading all the time will turn you into an academic
Maybe that's what OP wants, but since hardly anyone admires academia in reality I doubt it

[Anonymous No.17630346]

>>17630276
Not even the aristocracy.

The average aristocrat didn't know Greek.
As for Latin, it had been the lingua franca until around the 18th century. It was just like English.

[Anonymous No.17630350]

>>17629257
Sadly I realized this at the late age of 20 but you're absolutely correct OP. Now I'm trying to ascend into a polymath chad

[Anonymous No.17630357]

>>17630336
Exactly. The most obsessive readers become academics (like Harold Bloom), but not creators. OP may have read the Odyssey in Greek, but it was Joyce who renovated that book and bought it to the modern age in Ulysses. OP, on the other hand, did nothing - at best he wrote one scholarly article or two, and was read by one or two experts.
According to Hugh Kenner, Joyce didn't read Homer in Greek. He relied on translations.

[Anonymous No.17630365]

>>17629257
Solon is the guy who brought knowledge of Atlantis to the Greeks and Solomon was a Hebrew king with a thousand wives who led him astray.

[Anonymous No.17630366]

>>17630276
Imagine contenting yourself through the knowledge that you're better off than a medieval peasant. Pure last man behavior

[Anonymous No.17630371]

>>17630350
It's hopeless nowadays. You won't become a polymath.
You can be very well-read and cultured. I encourage it! But you won't be an expert on many fields. This is not possible anymore.

[Anonymous No.17630391]

>>17630366
Imagine contenting yourself with being an erudite scholar instead of creating the works that the scholars of the future are going to study.

James Joyce didn't know Greek and as far as I know he was no expert on mathematics, yet his books will be read alongside the Odyssey in 500 years.
In fact, they already are.

Here is a poem to you:

BALD heads forgetful of their sins,
Old, learned, respectable bald heads
Edit and annotate the lines
That young men, tossing on their beds,
Rhymed out in love’s despair
To flatter beauty’s ignorant ear.
They’ll cough in the ink to the world’s end;
Wear out the carpet with their shoes
Earning respect; have no strange friend;
If they have sinned nobody knows.
Lord, what would they say
Did their Catullus walk that way?

[Anonymous No.17630395]

>>17629281
Alcibiades didn't ignore Socrates though. He agreed with him which is why Socrates made him ashamed of his decadent lifestyle.

[Anonymous No.17630400]

>>17629257
>he thinks reading Jewish fairytales somehow makes you "educated" or "sophisticated."

[Anonymous No.17630405]

>>17630371
Yeah dw obviously don't mean an actual polymath (p much impossible due to how specialized all fields are nowadays) but there really is no excuse for not being well read and cultured with how easy we can access knowledge today. Like it blows my mind that I'm reading stuff that would have literally been banned or impossible to access if you weren't rich in the past, it's such a huge privilege

[Anonymous No.17630424]

>>17629457
It is not difficult at all to learn multiple languages as a kid when you have an environment to learn them in. Jaime knows both Spanish and English and she is much, much dumber than me. That is not even debatable.

[Anonymous No.17630468]

>>17629457
And yet Shakespeare, with small Latin and less Greek, is superior.

[Anonymous No.17630474]

>>17629756
But the OP's post wasn't about inventing, it was about learning and retaining.
>>17629792
Yeah but they had snuff back then.

[Anonymous No.17630494]

>>17629257
>difference between Solon and Solomon;
As proper nouns the difference between solon and solomon
is that solon is solon (athenian statesman, lawmaker and poet) while solomon is in the old testament and quran, a king of israel famous for his wisdom.

In case anyone was wondering

[Anonymous No.17630703]

>>17630150
>8 children
>ultranationalist

[Anonymous No.17630907]

>>17630703
>>17630150
This is the standard plan of the far right nowadays. I'll be interested to see how it goes. Politics and personally do seem about 70-80% heritable, so it isn't without done chances of success, but it's a rather long game. (Also, I assume you'll be homeschooling? )

[Anonymous No.17630914]

>>17630150
Give up the nazism or you won't have a single one

[Anonymous No.17630925]

>>17630914
You have to go back. Also I've already had 4.

[Anonymous No.17631049]

>>17629257
Even the most mediocre of schoolchildren in 19th century Europe would have, by the age of 16, attained working proficiency in French, Latin, some Ancient Greek, and a little Hebrew
>learning Frog or dead/irrelevant languages when everything is translated to English
Who cares, France will be majority Arabic-speaking in 100 years and will be no less dead than Latin or Greek.
>they would have a more advanced understanding of mathematics than today's students
Doubt it, a talented HS student can learn things that were only just being invented in the 19th Century.
>they would know at least one instrument (likely two), and know a good deal of music theory
Music is dead who cares
>They would already know more about the history of their respective countries than the vast majority of you will know in your lives. They, at age 16, would have been more educated and informed than you could ever hope to be.
I live in the economic zone known as "the United States of America". it is not a country so there is no national history to be learned.

>And yet, you live in the 21st century. You have the knowledge of the entire world for free at your fingertips. Never has it been easier to teach yourself about Plato and Aristotle; Leibniz and Newton.
I can just read Goldstein and Jackson instead of reading 17-18th century texts for the sake of posturing so that I can actually move on to the frontiers of physics eventually.

>You don't know the difference between Solon and Solomon; you haven't read the Republic even in an "accessible" translation; you could not state even in briefest of terms the major formative events of your people. Why do you persist in this state, despite the benefits of the modern world? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Ancient Greece: Who cares?

A "mediocre schoolchild" would be in the upper echelons of the overall population as education was reserved for the elite. There are better things to be "elite" at nowadays than the study of ANCIENT GREEK lmao

[Anonymous No.17631121]

>>17630400
I can certainly tell whatever arrogance or hubris you hold is largely unfounded.
>>17631049
>I live in the economic zone known as "the United States of America".
You may as well just kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.17631149]

>>17629392
This guy is right, I live in the Netherlands and went to a 'gymnasium'. We had Ancient Greek and Latin at school since the age of 12. At 15 you can choose which language you want to continue learning, or both of them.
Indeed we translated ancient texts but it took like one hour to translate 5 sentences, so don't think we know the language fluently or anything. I'm 23 now and forget everything about Ancient Greek, except a few basic words like doulos and oikia.
And I didn't play an instrument during this time, but it's true that basically everyone else did.

[Anonymous No.17631158]

>>17631121
Imagine thinking your "country" is anything other than a financial arrangement.

[Anonymous No.17631412]

>>17630218
good stuff, what you strive for, will inevitably separate you from the rabble.
martin eden...

[Anonymous No.17631416]

>>17631412
also meant for this chadburg>>17630228

[Anonymous No.17631418]

>>17629281
all time fag right here

[Anonymous No.17631423]

>>17631158
lol do you live in america?

[Anonymous No.17631428]

>>17631158
nevermind, I,
>>17631423 misread your statement, its an extension of "British finance" for sure, you are right

[Anonymous No.17631437]

>>17630907
I don't currently plan on homeschooling unless things get really, really bad. I think it's important for children to socialize with other kids and I don't want them to be so isolated from the rest of society that they can't function in it. The goal should be to supply children with the tools they need to survive and flourish despite the problems of the present age.

>>17630914
I'm not a Nazi. Aside from me being an atheist, my beliefs are pretty similar to those of the average American when we were at war with the Nazis.

[Anonymous No.17631439]

>>17629286
he’s got ya there op

[Anonymous No.17631447]

>>17629312
gudb8

[Anonymous No.17631456]

>>17629257
I can't get over spending my teens jerking off and not doing anything useful. I had these plans when I was 16 but they only exist now in a notepad named Goals.txt. It breaks my heart every time I remember the enthusiasm and the daydreaming of becoming a truly educated person. But better now than never, I will always have hope.

[Anonymous No.17631463]

>>17630391
that is a good poem cant lie famalam

[Anonymous No.17631470]

>>17631463
It's a very good poem and it's by Yeats. I posted his picture for a reason. It's a well-known poem.

[Anonymous No.17631482]

>>17631456
most of us did the same, dont fret, just dont become an academic fag. keep reading, keep learning, most importantly keep living.
write what you know people want to read, create what people want to see, you exist in a creative desert, people are thirsty for art, you can do it

[Anonymous No.17631494]

How many books do i have to read to become erudit?

[Anonymous No.17631551]

>>17631482
thanks fren <3
I try reading more but I am an ESL fag and 10 pages take me an hour or so, but I noticed a slight improvement lately. We can all do it.

[Anonymous No.17631576]

>>17631551
anything is possible amigo, whats your native language?
creating good art can transcend language, dont get hung up on english

[Anonymous No.17631584]

>>17630150
What the fuck are you me?

[Anonymous No.17631586]

>>17631494
you can read a million books and be stupid, most important thing is to :

- remember what is worth remembering -

[Anonymous No.17631588]

>>17631586
yes

[Anonymous No.17631597]

ive been a neet for four years. im bilingual because of birth. i cant play any music. i dont know any ancient languages. i don't know any philosophy.i don't know any math. i don't even know most literature(never read shakespeare or any greek stuff or any of that highschool shit like catcher in rye or 1984)

I don't see how it would be relevant. Who cares about the major formative events of my people? I don't have a people. I see nothing of myself in any face around me. These people can fuck off.

You can't learn things you are not interested in and you can't cultivate interest artificially. It's very adolescent to think you are better than someone else just because you've read a book someone hasn't or know a certain fact that others do not. That's just silly.
Also I can't learn at all form a computer screen. computers and the internet are not conducive to education. If I don't have a physical paper book then I cannot focus on the information at all.

[Anonymous No.17631603]

>>17631470
>>17631463
>>17630391
i dont get that poem at all

[Anonymous No.17631608]

college killed all intellectual curiosity. college took my enthusiasm and misdirected it and i floundered out of water for years. I have no desire to be an intellectual or an academic. After meeting those people they just plain disgust me. I have no curiosity about the world now. I have no interests or hobbies. my room is blank. I dont even have consumeristic hobbies or interests.

[Anonymous No.17631621]

Let’s be honest nobody is going to choose to read nietzsche online instead of watching Netflix. The downside of having infinite information at our fingertips is that not all info is created equal and like food there’s a lot of just that’s goes in a lot easier than the stuff that’s good for you

[Anonymous No.17631646]

>>17629257
>school system hasn't been properly reformed in centuries
>get all of this and can drop out at 14 if you don't want to go to university
>can apply to university after two years, and I'd you wait nine years, you can apply by just giving life interview and pitching ideas
They've started reforms when I was in school. I remember when they got rid of beating kids with sticks, and now there are multiple choice questions on the university entrance exams. Before if you didn't know something, you didn't get a choice and commited suicide like a decent failure.

[Anonymous No.17631654]

>>17631646
i have no idea how any educators can think multiple choice is a good advancement. i have to think that something is actively sabotaging education

[Anonymous No.17631686]

>>17631603
ill bite, they're parasites. don't be one.
just create from what you got, the vultures will always pick the bones, and most stay starving

[Anonymous No.17631689]

>>17631654
Biology on the Uni I went to had multiple choice questions as final written exam, followed by oral exam, but wrong answer would give you negative points. It sounded scary until you realized they keep repeating same questions and answers each year and all you had to do was connect with previous generations and memorize what they had.
Another class had an oral exam where if professor was in good mood he would ask you random questions about your life and then give you excellent grade for fun.
Education can be quite a joke sometimes.

[Anonymous No.17631707]

>>17631597
Such huge negativity. At least try making things better. Why set all these boundaries for yourself, you just need to try harder.

[Anonymous No.17631711]

>>17631707
i dont see any boundaries

[Anonymous No.17631715]

>>17629685
Humans thrive on relationships and (in a way) the oral tradition. Having a teacher who aids you in your learning as well as keeping you accountable will always be the most effective way to become an enlightened person.

[Anonymous No.17631731]

>>17629257
lmao if you think the average European was even still in school at 16

[Anonymous No.17631755]

>>17631621
Too much information is actually worse than no information

[Anonymous No.17631759]

>>17631608
Let's be honest some people would. You are just making excuses, I also don't have hobbies and wasted lots of my life but I will not waste the rest of it. What's stopping me? I will learn the guitar and read stupid books that I should have read in high school even If I might be judged for it, who cares it's my life and I choose how to live it.

[Anonymous No.17631782]

>>17631711
your whole statement was a bunch of can'ts and don'ts. still don't see the boundaries? Too much of a pussy to read a book on a computer? Do you live in Brazil or something? What do you mean you don't have a people?

[Anonymous No.17631792]

>>17631782
What the fuck? i'm not setting any bounderies. what do you mean too scared to read on my computer? brazil?
You seem like you just came into this WANTING to hate me and made up a character in your head to hate. I have no fucking clue what you're talking about
I don't have a people. I wasn't raised by an culture in particular.

[Anonymous No.17631798]

>>17631759
your post is so very disjointed from my own post that i have to assume you responded to the incorrect post

[Anonymous No.17631826]

>>17631437
Imagine calling yourself an ultra nationalist while raising 8 children to worship jews, blacks and others.

[Anonymous No.17631862]

>>17629357
nice one

[Anonymous No.17631940]

>>17629257
what makes the atheist middle class infatuated with education?

[Anonymous No.17631950]

>>17631597
all based

[Anonymous No.17632078]

>>17630228
Are you talking about the concept of the tripartite soul?

[Anonymous No.17632085]

>>17629257
yes modern academics can't hold a candle to those of even 150 years ago

[Anonymous No.17632188]

>>17630218
It's a good comment but I'm not sure of the hunting-online entertainment analogy. The former required some active involvement and focus, some skill, whereas the latter is simply a passive absorption of stimuli. Not to say that it shouldn't be treated as a subject in writing.

[Anonymous No.17632196]

>Even the most mediocre of schoolchildren in 19th century Europe would have, by the age of 16, attained working proficiency in French, Latin, some Ancient Greek, and a little Hebrew;
Not true.
>they would have a more advanced understanding of mathematics than today's students;
Not true
>they would know at least one instrument (likely two), and know a good deal of music theory.
Not true
>They, at age 16, would have been more educated and informed than you could ever hope to be.
True
>And yet, you live in the 21st century. You have the knowledge of the entire world for free at your fingertips.
Not true
>Never has it been easier to teach yourself about Plato and Aristotle; Leibniz and Newton.
True
>Virtually every great work of literature and music is FREE ONLINE, with all the notes and introductions you need.
Not true
>And yet you don't know any of these things.
Null
>You don't know the difference between Solon and Solomon;
Not true
>you haven't read the Republic even in an "accessible" translation;
Not true
>you could not state even in briefest of terms the major formative events of your people.
Not true
>Why do you persist in this state, despite the benefits of the modern world? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Null
>He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Null

Mainly bullshit.

[Anonymous No.17632213]

leave this board and never return if you haven't read these by the time you're 21

>E.T.A. Hoffmann, Herder, Lichtenberg, Bernardin de Saint-Pierre, Young, Klopstock, Sophokles, Novalis, Lessings »Nathan«, Auerbach's »Frau Professorin« und »Luzifer«, Waiblinger's diary desu, Grillparzer's »Sappho«, Sonetts by Dante und Tasso, Luther's »table talks«, Schiller's und Goethe's poems. Schiller's »Jungfrau«, Hammer's »Orientalische Poesien«, Heinse's »Laidion« und Seume's »Briefe über Rußland«. Mahlmann, Ewald v. Kleist, Leopold Schefer, Swift, Cicero, Pestalozzi, Pope, Andersen, Blumauer, Bürger, Franz Horn Eichendorff, Kinkel, Freiligrath, Geibel, Chamisso, Rollett, Kerner, Hippel, Freiligraths »Die Toten und die Lebenden«, Gryphius, Logau, Wernicke, Uhland, Hebbel, Tiedge, Raupach, Terenz, Rückert, Voß, Rob. Blum, R. Wagner, Zimmermann, Fr. v. Schlegel, Macauley, A. v. Humboldt, Grabbe, Büchner, Herwegh, Z. Werner, Byron, A. Grün, H. v. Collin, Zedlitz, Herbart, W. Menzel, Scherenberg, Tieck, Eckermann, A. Kahlert, Thibaut, Bulwer, Zelter, Wackenroder, Platen, C.M. v. Weber, Rottek

>He devoured every book he could get hold of, and after contributing his share to the expenses of the household he spent every penny he had left on books, thereby laying the foundation of an imposing library.

>with the first advances by a music publisher Brahms obtained collected works of aeschylus, plutarch, shakespeare and »faust«

>Brahms's music books: first and foremost there are the older theoretical works of Adlung, Forkel, Fux, Gerber, Hiller, Keller, Kellner, Kirnberger, Marpurg, Mattheson, Scheibe, Walther, and others, which Brahms began assembling as a very young man. Then came the great musicological and critical works of his own contemporaries: Jahn's Mozart, Chrysander's Handel, Spitta's Bach, and Pohl's Haydn; Nottebohm's Beethoveniana and thematic catalogs of Schubert and Beethoven, Köchel's Mozart catalog, Dommer's Dictionary and History of Music, and Hanslick's critical writings.

[Anonymous No.17632223]

>>17632213
i use to do this but then physical books were out of my hands. i havent read any of that. i just cant read nonphysical books. and physical books are few and far between

[Anonymous No.17632224]

>>17632213
I wish I could leave. Even avoiding those authors like the plague isn't helping.

[Anonymous No.17632233]

>>17632213
>brahms
pass

[Anonymous No.17632242]

>>17629685
>You all consider yourself at least a little bright.
Speak for yourself, I think I'm a dumbass and my repeated failures in everything I try to do has only reinforced this belief.

[Anonymous No.17632251]

>>17632213
I want to time travel and get Brahms to top me

[Anonymous No.17632252]

>>17629265
I got busy dying

[Anonymous No.17632368]

>>17631731
no, he was at university already

[Anonymous No.17632417]

>>17632368
No he was out in the field or down the coal pit, depending on the era

[Anonymous No.17633171]

>>17632213
>German literature

Lel germans can't write for shit, except Goethe ofc

[Anonymous No.17633241]

>>17629257
OP do you speak any of those neato languages?

[Anonymous No.17633539]

>>17629392
Why be so obtuse about where you live?

[Anonymous No.17633562]

yes we need to bring classical education back

[Anonymous No.17633586]

>>17629281
all of those are based

[Anonymous No.17633600]

>>17629436
/thread

[Anonymous No.17633856]

>>17629563
Southern Belgium? I understand why you didn't want to say your country because it's not a real one, just say Wallonia.

[Anonymous No.17633881]

>>17630474
Man, I miss doing snuff. It gives me such a nice buzz, too bad it causes a mess inside my nose

[Anonymous No.17633883]

>>17631437
This is a common, but odd, misunderstanding of homeschooling. First, there are homeschool groups, and neighbors, for socializing with other children. Second, is 30 poorly informed and largely immoral individuals of all the exact same age the kind of environment you expect for your child's future?

[Anonymous No.17633909]

>>17629756
there is no such thing as learning it's only recollection.

[Anonymous No.17634681]

>>17629392
this
t. swissfag

[Anonymous No.17634989]

>>17631826
My children aren't going to worship Jews or Blacks. They will be raised to love our people but have a respect for other peoples. Why do wignats have such a hard time understanding this? I can admire the achievements of other groups and be friends with individuals who are not members of my race and still love my people.

>>17633883
They will likely be surrounded by many low-quality children but if they don't learn how to deal with it while they're young, they'll just have to learn how to deal with it as adults. I will consider it though.

[Anonymous No.17634994]

>>17633856
Wallonia is fake while Belgium is real

[Anonymous No.17635152]

>>17634989
>They will be raised to love our people but have a respect for other peoples.
Kek enjoy your brown grandchildren

[Anonymous No.17635203]

>>17634989
For homeschooling parents in this thread, I recommend, "The Well-Trained Mind: A Guide to Classical Education at Home" by Susan Wise Bauer.

For homeschooling yourself I recommend "The teenage liberation handbook" and getting off 4chan.

[Anonymous No.17635292]

>>17629257
Where do people come by these notions? Where do they get the idea that people in antiquity were simultaneously illiterate pig fucking troglodytes and also erudite scholars?

[Anonymous No.17635318]

>>17629685
It's not so much impossible as much as it is worthless. If there's nothing to be gained from it there is no reason to do it.

[Anonymous No.17635374]

>>17629257
Yes but also most fields were new so there wasn't much to know

[Anonymous No.17635591]

>>17629257
I speak Spanish fluently, and a little Japanese. My math knowledge is up to basic calculus. I play piano very well. I'm very educated about US and world history, and am a talented writer. I'm 20 years old.
Do I pass your test OP?

[Anonymous No.17635598]

>>17635591
Nope

[Anonymous No.17635683]

>>17629257
>proficiency in French, Latin, some Ancient Greek, and a little Hebrew;
Useless
>advanced understanding of mathematics than today's students
Not even close, their math was shit we teach to 12 year olds now
>they would know at least one instrument (likely two)
More people play instruments and learn them at a young age today than ever before
>They would already know more about the history of their respective countries than the vast majority of you will know in your lives
Lmfao, premodern historiography? Absolute trash, they didn't understand shit. 1 week wikipedia browsing is unironically a better use of your time. And 16 year olds at the time had a trash understanding of a trash history
>They, at age 16, would have been more educated and informed than you could ever hope to be.
No they aren't

[Anonymous No.17635701]

>>17635683
Based

[Anonymous No.17635712]

>>17629457
>well-read and fluent in the classical languages
Useless skill

[Anonymous No.17635726]

>>17629392
Sounds like a pathetic larp
>WE OLD TIMEY ARISTOCRATS
they wasted your time with useless knowledge. You will now always be stupid

[Anonymous No.17635760]

>>17629685
I try to teach myself but along with all the knowledge available there are also tons of distractions that didn't exist in the past. I know just have to have the willpower to practice Latin for an hour a day instead of reading random blogposts and watching videos but it's hard desu.

[Anonymous No.17635770]

>>17635683
>>17635712
>>17635726
>Useless
>Useless Skill
>Useless knowledge

These were the kids in school who always asked the teacher why they had to learn about Shakespeare and do trigonometry instead of like, how to do like, taxes and stuff. Disgusting lower life forms. They should have just let you people play on the iPads in school instead of bothering with you.

[Anonymous No.17635801]

>>17635770
Cope

[Anonymous No.17635805]

>>17635770
Lmfao nope, nice projection. Shakespeare and trig is actually useful knowledge, as in, it is not just a useless barrier needed to get to what people actually enjoy and find value in learning. The whole "LEARN CLASSIC LANGUAGE" is a stupid ass holdover from the premodern world where translations of classical works into languages people spoke wasn't available, you HAD to learn the language to read them. Because the people doing this were of the upper crest of society, the only people receiving an "education of letters", it became synonymous with higher thought and education through just cultural bullshit. If Aristotle was still only available in ancient greek than learning the language would be useful, but it isn't.
The people that still insist on this trash are just loser larpers trying to act like a "intellectual" pused, ancient greek and Latin is a big part of that cultural archetype so the posers like yourself will pick it up

[Anonymous No.17635809]

>>17629257
You give them a sour patch kid and they fucking explode

[Anonymous No.17635815]

>>17629265
based

[Anonymous No.17635836]

>>17635805
>just read everything in translation

[Anonymous No.17635849]

>>17635836
>just learn a dead language to read a book somebody who has spent their entire lives learning about already translated in your language in a way of understanding you will absolutely never reach if you try to learn the language yourself unless you also dedicate your life to it
Useless knowledge

[Anonymous No.17635918]

>>17629257
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.17635943]

>>17635849
>reading shakespeare is useful
>being able to read 1000 years of European writing in the original language is useless
I'm sure if you actually asked those Latin translators they'll tell you "yeah bro my translation is just as good as the original, I captured everything well enough that nobody should bother learning the language. Syntax, word play, meter, style, it's all there." Besides, once you've learned the language, the translations don't disappear. You can buy side-by-side translations if you're worried you don't get everything.

[Anonymous No.17635961]

>>17629281
Fuck Socrates desu

[Anonymous No.17635981]

>>17629257

Yeah, but did they have the wonders of SCIENCE! and TECHNOLOGY! to amuse themselves with endlessly?

[Anonymous No.17635986]

>>17635943
You don't get it, Ancient Greek and Latin writers are not useless. Shakespeare is not useless. Learning Ancient Greek and Latin is useless because I can read Ancient Greek and Latin writers with translations into my langauge that can convey the message to an understanding I will never be able to accomplish without dedicating my life to it. Its a waste of fucking time and the only reason its still held up as necessary is for the reasons I already stated: cultural archetype

[Anonymous No.17635993]

>>17629281
>"Sorry Socrates, but I really am in a hurry. We really must continue this conversation some other time."
a polite way of saying have sex

[Anonymous No.17636033]

>>17635993
Kek

[Anonymous No.17636044]

>>17635809
kek

[Anonymous No.17636373]

>>17629471
>farmers bad my bugman existence is so much more fulfilling

[Anonymous No.17636405]

>>17635683
no the only things worthwhile are things that make me money for cummies

[Anonymous No.17636457]

>>17631755
The biggest discovery of the 21st century would be that man wasn't meant to live at the speed of light- marshal mcluhan

[Anonymous No.17636555]

>>17629257
OP, you are BASED
Nowadays, people who are brainlets choose to be so.

[Anonymous No.17636563]

>>17634994
No, Belgium is just some fake country conjured by the Brits to cuck France and Netherlands. In reality, it's just a French and Dutch region forced to coexist together.

[Anonymous No.17636902]

ITT: we uncover all the soulless bugmen infesting /lit/, who only learn for the money.

To wit, what is wrong with you? Are you a cockroach? That is no way for a human to live.

[Anonymous No.17636932]

>>17629392
weak bait

[Anonymous No.17636938]

>>17629257
Even just read a letter from the First World War. Intellect and health have been decreasing since the world began.

[Anonymous No.17637272]

>>17636405
See>>17635986
>>17635805
Psued poser faggot

[Anonymous No.17638430]

>>17630228
>sold my PC
So are you posting from your smartphone? I'd argue that it would be better to get a dumbphone than sell your PC as a PC can only be used at home,
and only in the room you have your PC in, whilst a smartphone is a potential distraction everywhere. Plus smartphone apps flood you with notifications by default unlike a PC, baiting you into distraction even more.

That being said though, I admire your dedication and more people should be like you.

[Anonymous No.17638471]

>>17635203
Thanks for the recommendations, I'm not a parent yet but I'll make a note of them because I definitely do intend to homeschool when I have kids.

[Anonymous No.17638506]

>>17629257
Agreed, but it's really hard to do. Even if you start in your early teens, chances are you're parents make you go to public school so you don't have much more time than anyone else. People really underestimate how much time they piss away on their phones and television though.

>>17630228
You're gonna make it. I do the same but I got rid of my phone over the PC since I'm a student and a programmer.
It makes it really hard to make friends though so if you do this prepare for a life of solitude.

[Anonymous No.17638529]

>>17629685
> you still wouldn't be able to match that of a mediocre merchant's son at Rugby
I think you greatly overestimate the mediocre merchant's son, even those in the most privileged schools.
I'm also more erudite than all of them at the very least in mathematics, so are a good deal of my friends, so I don't really feel concerned by your argument.

[Anonymous No.17638538]

>>17629312
Kek. This is giving me some serious "I could kill that man with just one hand" vibe.

[Anonymous No.17638952]

>>17632188
Wasting time online can be active too.

Example: our conversation.

It can also lead to action. For instance, just the other day I was mindlessly listening to some Beatles tracks, then ended up in a channel of contemporary classical music, then listened to some Webern piano pieces, and now I have decided to add a scene related to one of those pieces to the novel I'm planning.
If I hadn't decided to waste time listening to the Beatles, I wouldn't have "found" that precious scene...

[Anonymous No.17638965]

>>17638952
Based

[Anonymous No.17638972]

>>17638952
That's called "fear of missing out". Sure you occassionally find something of value among all of the shit, but there are things with a far better signal/noise ratio.
A lot of people make this excuse to justify their bad habit.

[Anonymous No.17639018]

>>17629257
>schoolchildren in 19th century Europe
>as wee Harold sticks his hand in the gear train of a power loom to remove a jam
"Oi Charley! Wot's the subjunctive 2nd person singular pluperfect for Significo again?"

[Anonymous No.17639025]

>>17629552
>>17629606
>ayo hol up. so u be sayin us niggas is the future of books n shiet? hell yea bruh. fuck wypipo

[Anonymous No.17639029]

>>17629312
>I literally know
*my TI-89 knows
FTFY

[Anonymous No.17639543]

>>17635805
You're incredibly unintelligent. Most people don't learn languages as a means of understanding foreign texts that little bit better. Albeit, learning German to read Kant and Nietzsche will help you comprehend and digest every single sentence as it flows in the original German, nonetheless, translation cannot compensate for words like Fingerspitzengefühl, which means fingertip feeling, or perhaps Wissenschaft, which is typically translated into 'science' but it's not actually what It means. Wissenschaft is the systematic pursuit of knowledge, but in a much more broader sense than mere scientific endevour. It's more so one can fully immerse themselves into the culture of the author, language learning is purely aristocratic, not for your average petit bourgeoisie midwit.

[Anonymous No.17639551]

>>17638952
Based Webern appreciater.

[Anonymous No.17639598]

>>17639543
Not him but I'm too black-pilled to take it upon myself to learn new languages. I'm only interested in European ones, given my heritage, but I see no future for my people. Germany, England, and Sweden are the models of the future. They aren't entirely non-white yet but with dwindling native birthrates and a high rate of non-white immigrants that breed like rabbits, alongside the utter lack of any attempt at assimilation or proper language acquisition in the host countries, why bother. By the time the virus is over, I doubt that many European countries would even be worth visiting. I can understand the need to learn something just for the sake of it, but there are better things worth devoting time towards. I'm a uni student rn and was thinking of taking Latin, but the reality is that I'll probably forget most shit of that in 5-11 years. Philosophy, art, and literature have long-lasting effects that needn't rely on rote-memorization as they are simultaneously abstract and personal.

[Anonymous No.17639639]

>>17629257
>the most mediocre of schoolchildren in 19th century Europe
Unlike 21st-century America, the most mediocre schoolchildren in Europe at the time were not niggers.
>they would have a more advanced understanding of mathematics than today's students
19th-century students probably didn't even know about the epsilon-delta definition of a limit, let alone any rigorous proofs of the basic properties of continuous functions. Even early 20th-century calculus textbooks aimed at college students are fairly embarrassing; look at William Granville's books, which were widely used in the US in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The situation in continental Europe was arguably a little better, and the British had G. H. Hardy and his influential "Course of Pure Mathematics", but the soundness of mathematics didn't really improve until the middle of the 20th century.
>You don't know the difference between Solon and Solomon
One was a Greek, the other a sheen.

[Anonymous No.17639678]

>>17629257
>Virtually every great work of literature and music is FREE ONLINE, with all the notes and introductions you need
This simply isn't true unless you're willing to steal it, which many people aren't. Commentaries in particular are actually few and far between on most book torrent sites. Then there's the issue of readibility: try actually sitting down to read a philosophical work via a shoddy pdf whilst having to deal with constant eye strain from the glare of the screen.
>get a kindle!
There are hardly any good torrents for it, which, again, somewhat undermines your thesis here.

[Anonymous No.17639697]

>>17639598
>thinking of taking Latin
What's the harm, you've got nothing to lose, only to gain.

[Anonymous No.17639700]

>>17639678
>There are hardly any good torrents for it
Plenty of epubs on libgen and other websites (which can be easily and flawlessly converted to azw3 with Calibre), and most PDFs can be decently converted to azw3 as well. So long as you aren't trying to read a math or physics book with lots of formulas and weird symbols, it's perfectly viable to convert PDFs. I only read math books on my PC; for everything else I read on the Kindle and I have no trouble finding nearly everything I want to read.

[Anonymous No.17639730]

>>17639697
Even if I took the course, I wouldn't expect to take many more Latin courses in the future. I also don't plan on becoming a neutered academic. It might be nice in the short term to gain some knowledge of interest, but as life goes on that knowledge will eventually be forgotten unless I'm constantly making efforts at retaining it (which is unlikely because at that time I would likely be concerned with serious philosophic texts, investing, gardening, and hopefully a social life). I could take the course if the other available options don't interest me next semester, but it will all amount to a forgotten memory. This might just be me projecting.

[Anonymous No.17639828]

>>17639730
a Latin course won't learn you Latin
a x course won't learn you x

[Anonymous No.17639838]

>>17639828
But will it teach him?

[Anonymous No.17639860]

>>17639838
Oh yeah, it will teach him how to pass the course

[Anonymous No.17639891]

>>17629573
>Meyerbeer

[Anonymous No.17639940]

>>17629392
true, but this does nothing to endear that to kids. I remember from my school time that most hated Ancient Greek and translating Boethius and Sueton was a chore and I hated every minute of being forced to play cello. Most kids in these regions are not aware how they have been gifted

[Anonymous No.17640237]

>>17629573
>No mention of Ravel, Scriabin or Schumann
Philistine.

[Anonymous No.17640280]

>>17629257
>blaming unraised children for not raising themselves
You are sadistic and insane. All you want to do is blame the weakest person involved in a problem for the whole of that problem. You don't actually do anything, you just preach and chastise and shame where it costs you nothing and carries no risk and involves no effort.

[Anonymous No.17640637]

>>17640237
Scriabin didn't make any operas tho

[Anonymous No.17640696]

>>17629344
As Ted points out, serfs had it better than us, inasmuch as they were close to the land (attached to it, really), and actually lived off it; even if, legally, they had very little freedom, they basically played a more vital role in their own continuing existence than most of us, and participated in the power process to a much greater extent

[Anonymous No.17640712]

>>17640237
You are the philistine if you think any of these three were operatic composers (Ravel's operas are excellently orchestrated, but are not pinnacles of the operatic literature and the fact that you even mention Schumann in the context of opera is simply embarrassing)

[Anonymous No.17640746]

>>17635986
Yeah, except not all ancient literature has been translated into English yet (not to mention other modern laguages)