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[Anonymous No.17627212]

Nietzsche at his peak

[Anonymous No.17627290]

>>17627212
>Nietzsche at his peak
so you mean the Madness letters?
t. Dionysus
t. the Crucified One

[Anonymous No.17627324]

This is by far his worst book.

[Anonymous No.17627327]

>>17627212
No
http://nietzsche.holtof.com/Nietzsche_various/the_greek_state.htm

[Anonymous No.17627332]

>>17627212
are you reading in order of publication? if so, you haven't even scratched the best work yet

[Anonymous No.17627458]

>>17627212
>More and more we are considering, R. and I, the question of education; thoughts of establishing a model school, with Nietzsche, Rohde, Overbeck, Lagarde. Could the King be induced to sponsor it? ...
(01-21-76)
>In the evening we are visited by Dr. Rée, whose cold and precise character does not appeal to us; on closer inspection we come to the conclusion that he must be an Israelite.
(11-01-76)
>At noon arrival of a new book [Human, All Too Human] by friend Nietzsche—feelings of apprehension after a short glance through it; R. feels he would be doing the author a favor, for which the latter would one day thank him, if he did not read it. It seems to me to contain much inner rage and sullenness, and R. laughs heartily when I say that Voltaire, here so acclaimed [Nietzsche dedicated Human, All Too Human to Voltaire], would less than any other man have understood The Birth of Tragedy.
(04-25-78)
>Firm resolve not to read friend Nietzsche's book [Human, All Too Human], which seems at first glance to be strangely perverse.
(04-27-78)
>We find it hard not to speak now and again about friend N.'s sad book [Human, All Too Human], although both of us can only surmise its contents from a few passages, rather than really know it!
(04-29-78)
>N.'s pitiful book [Human, All Too Human] makes [R.] exclaim to me, "We shall remain true to each other."
(04-30-78)
>R. has written to Prof. Overbeck, thanking him for his nice letter; in it he mentions N. and says meaningfully that he hopes Nietzsche will one day thank him for not having read his book [Human, All Too Human].
(05-23-78)
>R. wanted to amuse himself by sending Prof. Nietzsche a telegram of congratulations on Voltaire's birthday [Nietzsche dedicated Human, All Too Human to Voltaire], but I advise him against it and recommend silence here, as in many other things.
(05-28-78)
>Over coffee he [R.] comes back to Prof. Nietzsche and his book [Human, All Too Human], which seems to him so insignificant, whereas the feelings which gave rise to it are so evil.
(05-30-78)
>(Our poor friend Hagen [Edmund von Hagen (1850-1907): German philosopher, and writer on Wagner] seems to be insane. Nietzsche's book [Human, All Too Human] is causing our friends a lot of embarrassment.)
(06-09-78)
>A visit in the evening from our poor friend Hagen, who, in reply to my calm questioning, seriously maintains that a 4th-dimensional being is upsetting his mind. R. tries to convince him that everything happens inside us and there are no attacks from outside, but I fear it is in vain. "I have nice supporters," R. says with a laugh. "I should have liked to see Hagen and Nietzsche going for a walk together!"
(06-12-78)

CONT.

[Anonymous No.17627463]

>>17627212
For me, it's The Gay Science

[Anonymous No.17627468]

>>17627458
>R. reads some of Nietzsche's latest book [Human, All Too Human] and is astonished by its pretentious ordinariness. "I can understand why [Paul] Rée's company is more congenial to him than mine." And when I remark that to judge by this book N.'s earlier ones were just reflections of something else, they did not come from within, he says, "And now they are Rée-flections!"
(06-24-78)
>R. had a good night; he goes for a walk in the palace gardens with children and dogs and then takes a rest with Prof. Nietzsche's book [Human, All Too Human], the trivial contents of which thoroughly disgust him.
(06-25-78)
>[R.] continues reading Prof. N.['s book Human, All Too Human].
(06-26-78)
>N.'s book [Human, All Too Human] provokes R. into saying playfully, "Oh, art and religion are just what is left in human beings of the monkey's tail, the remains of an ancient culture!"
(06-27-78)
>Later a nice letter from E[lisabeth] Nietzsche brings the conversation around to her brother's dismal book [Human, All Too Human], and R. remarks that, when respect vanishes, everything else vanishes, too: "That is the true definition of religion; unlike Jesus Christ, I cannot be without sin, but I can respect the sinless state, can beg pardon of my ideal when I am disloyal to it. But our times have no feeling for greatness, they cannot recognize a great character. There can be no bond with it."
(01-28-79)
And then the last recorded statement Wagner would make about Nietzsche in his lifetime:
>Then R. comes back to Nietzsche, observes that the one photograph is enough to show what a fop he is, [Probably referring to a photograph of Nietzsche (wearing a fur coat, hat, scarf, and gloves) that Nietzsche sent to Cosima ca. End March 1871. The fur coat was borrowed from Franz Overbeck. Read Cosima's 1871 reply, criticizing Nietzsche's pose in the photograph.] and declares him to be a complete nonentity, a true example of inability to see. [....] [Hermann] Levi tells us that Nietzsche recommended to him a "young Mozart," [Heinrich Köselitz, a/k/a Peter Gast (1854-1918)] actually a thoroughly incompetent musician! This gives us food for thought! R. says to me eventually that Nietzsche has no ideas of his own, no blood of his own, it is all foreign blood which has been poured into him.
(02-04-83)

Has a friendship ever been so destroyed by a book?

[Anonymous No.17627513]

>One can see how bad the modern world is, says R., from the fact that promising people like Nietzsche so swiftly go to the bad in it.

[Anonymous No.17627518]

>neetcheeze at his peak

RIP.
>Say God is dead
>Condemned to a life of misery, loneliness, sickness, madness, and distortion and misunderstanding after death.

As its been said:
>thats how it be habibi.

[Anonymous No.17627578]

>>17627324
This, this book is the main reason he has been appropriated by leftoids. Instead of the earlier influence of Wagner or his later own excursions, this book is the result of the influence of Paul Ree, and thus the book is Nietzsche at his most jewish.
Still has a few worthwhile aphorisms though.

[Anonymous No.17627589]

>>17627518
If he lived (sane) to a normal age he would have been recognised. The same thing happens to all great men, such as Wagner.

[Anonymous No.17627686]

Why didn't he just fix his posture?

[Anonymous No.17627705]

>>17627212
wrong. it's his most autistic most scientism-leaning work. anything he wrote pre-gay science is him working things out. human all too human should be considered the flawed sketches of a young, bright mind

[Anonymous No.17627964]

>>17627212
For me it is beyond good and evil.

[Anonymous No.17627997]

>>17627578
What about the book is jewish?

[Anonymous No.17628014]

>>17627212
Literally the only one I haven't read
>>17627964
Same

[Anonymous No.17628064]

>>17627997
Materialism, victimhood, ressentiment. The chapter on metaphysics was like reading a smug edgy 2000s atheist at times.

[Anonymous No.17628081]

>>17627997
>What about the book is jewish?

See>>17627458>>17627468

>>In the evening we are visited by Dr. Rée, whose cold and precise character does not appeal to us; on closer inspection we come to the conclusion that he must be an Israelite.
>>R. reads some of Nietzsche's latest book [Human, All Too Human] and is astonished by its pretentious ordinariness. "I can understand why [Paul] Rée's company is more congenial to him than mine." And when I remark that to judge by this book N.'s earlier ones were just reflections of something else, they did not come from within, he says, "And now they are Rée-flections!"

[Anonymous No.17628140]

>>17628064
>Materialism, victimhood, ressentiment
>victimhood, ressentiment
Do you have examples? The materialism I understand, it was the first book that Nietzsche wrote for himself and he didn't fully understand his own philosophy yet.

[Anonymous No.17628148]

>>17627332
Nietzsche noob here. Which work is his best?

[Anonymous No.17628160]

>>17628140
I don't have quotes but for example much of his sneering towards artists in the chapter about artists are very obviously meant to be about Wagner but it's so childish and petulant I really had a hard time convincing myself this was the same man that wrote Genealogy.
>it was the first book that Nietzsche wrote for himself and he didn't fully understand his own philosophy yet.
Yes true, he had lost his biggest influence and (perhaps unknowingly) looked for a replacement in Ree, which he thankfully abandoned to develop his own thoughts later.

[Anonymous No.17628175]

>>17628148
Genealogy of Morals/BGE

[Anonymous No.17628201]

>>17627463
Love how he dunked on Socrates there.

[Anonymous No.17628251]

>>17627518
fugg is Nietzsche the Satan from Inferno?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante%27s_Satan

[Anonymous No.17628298]

>>17627705
What about Ecce Homo?

[Anonymous No.17628501]

posting his letters with
t. Dionysos
Nietzsche at his peak

[Anonymous No.17628518]

>>17628501
Redpilled

[Anonymous No.17628666]

>>17628298
i'd never recommend ecce homo, to be honest. gay science up through genealogy are the strongest works, imo. antichrist and twilight are fine, and contain some gems, but are unnecessary. ecce homo is the beginning of the end.

[Anonymous No.17628779]

>>17628666
Why do you dislike it, Satan?

[Anonymous No.17628890]

>>17627578
the more Jewish it is, the better.

[Anonymous No.17628903]

>>17628064
that sounds more christian than Jewish

[Anonymous No.17628919]

>>17627458
>>17627468
this is brutal, did he really come off as that edgy in this book, how could it be worse than his all-caps rants in his later books

[Anonymous No.17629155]

>I FUCKING HATE BEING HUMAN

[Anonymous No.17629192]

>>17629155
Bruh who makes these images

[Anonymous No.17629248]

>>17628779
it is the product of a deteriorating mind mythologizing itself. there are for sure interesting bits for anyone invested in him as a person (and less for him as a thinker), but i don't mistake his vulnerability and the self-curation of his older works as he presents them to be very accurate.

[Anonymous No.17630034]

>>17627212
i miss neetch like you wouldnt believe

[Anonymous No.17630067]

>>17629192
Edward Feser

[Anonymous No.17631455]

>>17627458
>>17627468
Human, all too Human was a declaration of war against the worldview mostly shaped by Wagner and Schopenhauer, therefore this great act of freeing oneself from their influence had to hurt Nietzsche, but Wagner as well. Nietzsche says this himself as well. As for the book, it is great, if not the greatest N. book, and truest to the great French tradition of moralists N. admired so much. It is not a surprise that Wagner didn't understand it at all. Wagner wasn't a true friend at all, he just understood N. as some sort of messenger that would spread the idea of Wagnerism on his behalf. As with all books that stem from great pain and overcoming something, it has a special undertone that is easily missed if you don't understand when and how it was written. This is the start of the independent thinker Nietzsche, and someone who realizes that the Teutonic phantasies of Wagner are inferior, that German culture is and was inferior to French culture and that someone who wants to think and live independently finds more food for thought and inspiration there than in Wagner and German autism.

[Anonymous No.17631457]

>>17627578
Kys