/sffg/ - Science fiction and Fantasy general

[Anonymous No.17622882]

Anime edition: electric boogaloo
Previous Thread: >>17614507

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Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.17622973]

Are there any chinkshit webnovels where the protagonist improves on being a physical wreck and a weakling, but without going back in time or killing a few billion people?

[Anonymous No.17623015]

>>17622882
I like Bakker. I hate Sanderson

[Anonymous No.17623125]

>>17622973
at this point you should just read manga and comic books

[Anonymous No.17623275]

Shit thread.

[Anonymous No.17623281]

[Anonymous No.17623285]

>>17623281
based

[Anonymous No.17623329]

>>17623281
rule 1 of making a meme like this is to make it readable

[Anonymous No.17623383]

You have to use themes from one of these philosophical schools (not so addressed in fantasy), either for or against, on your fantasy work, according to your last digit:

0 - Processism
1 - Hegelianism
2 - Solipsism
3 - Stoicism
4 - Confucianism
5 - Mozism
6 - Legalism
7 - Daoism
8 - Utilitarianism
9 - Positivism

I'm rolling for myself as well.

[Anonymous No.17623386]

>>17623383

[Anonymous No.17623389]

>>17623383
ROLL

[Anonymous No.17623415]

Is it just me or was Foundation a lousy book? Did I get filtered by Asimov?

[Anonymous No.17623426]

>>17623415
Bit dry innit?

[Anonymous No.17623440]

>>17623281
Lovecraft is based. Lived the worst life imaginable and died thinking and accepting that he was going to be forgotten. He was also a beta incel who married a jew despite his white supremacy views.

[Anonymous No.17623441]

>>17622973
Dry and dumb. People talk about how smart Asimov was, but it sure didn't shine through in that awful book.

[Anonymous No.17623443]

>>17623441
Asimov: famous chinkshit author.

[Anonymous No.17623496]

>>17623415
Foundation is Asimov at his most conceptual, if you don't care for the ideas you're going to be at the very least bored. I'd recommend trying Foundation and Empire even if you didn't like Foundation as the story has some actual meat on it

[Anonymous No.17623519]

>>17623415
>>17623426
>>17623441
>>17623440
>>17623496
WTF are you talking about? Back to Sanderfagging and Bakkerposting!

[Anonymous No.17623543]

just now starting chapter 8
haven't read any of the other gor books
so far reading this gives me the same hollow desensitized feeling I got when I watched Nymphomaniac

diagnose me

[Anonymous No.17623555]

>>17623383
r o l l

[Anonymous No.17623562]

>>17623555
B A S E D

[Anonymous No.17623578]

>>17623415
ignoring that the concept of psychohistory completely ignores that different populations react differently to different technological discoveries, and that Asimov simply asserts that all technological advancements will remain similar to those that came before, the books are top notch
t. in the middle of chapter 12 of foundation and empire

as of right now, while Asimov's writing is more impressive, I find the horus heresy books, and the Fulgrim arc specifically, to have superior themes

[Anonymous No.17623623]

>>17623440
Only Lovecraft I read was that mountains of madness book. What do I read next?

[Anonymous No.17623632]

>>17623623
The Color Out of Space
The Dunwich Horror
The Call of Cthulhu
Whisperer in Darkness
From Beyond

[Anonymous No.17623670]

>>17623632
The Whisperer in Darkness is good, but I found the Mi-go extremely campy, and their exposition dump about the overall Lovecraft universe was out of place. Protag's probably the dumbest in all his works, too. So many obvious red flags.

[Anonymous No.17623710]

>>17623632
>>17623670
Thanks lads

[Anonymous No.17623904]

>>17622882
I'm currently doing a fan story, based on a video game.
Since this is a Fantasy General, within /lit/, I assume this is a good place to ask for tips or witting advise.

This is my guiding script thus-far:

Prologue
>Story starts on 28th of Hearth Fire, 3E 417; 11 days before "Warp in the West" (9th of Frostfall, 3E 417).
>Main Character (and book narrator) is introduced somewhere in the Alik'r Desert, on his way back to Sentinel (from Bergama perhaps)
>With him travels a convoy; composed of merchants in their caravans and their and serfs, escorted by a dozen mercenaries (from the Fighters Guild)
>Small description on who he was, his profession and the prestige it brought him
>During the night, Main Character as a somewhat cryptic dream
>Dream is a message to all warriors at heart and/or followers of the HoonDing (The Make Way God and personification of the blade techniques); that the Black Knight is calling to them into his Citadel, in ["Name of the Land"].
>Brief description of the Knight is made (fully-encased black armour; tower-shield with a rose symbol in the middle; an arm fused together with a sword; steel-blue eye, golden beard and reddish-yellow hair; two crows)
>Character wakes up suddenly, as with all mercenaries, two merchants and a few serfs.
>It's dawn e a discussion is ensued to speak on what occurred and what to do next
>After the brief, but intense, discussion, in the end, Character, along with the mercenaries and two serfs separate from the convoy and make haste towards the Citadel, in [name of the land].

1
>The group is walking through the desert
>Two of the mercenaries ask the serfs and Character for why they'd go to the "The Hall of the Virtues of War" and if they had any combat expertise
>Serfs say that they want to be warriors as well and stand tall like all warriors do
>Character says he goes for curiosity and adventure
>Character ask in turn why they answer the summons, which the two along with the group leader explain the importance of the Black Knight (and his connection between the local Fighters Guild and the Cult of Ebonarm)
>On their way, they're confronted by various desert predators several times
>At the last encounter, the creatures are repelled thanks to the help of some bandits
The bandits had the same dream and, along with the group, travel together to [name of the land].

2
>It takes them [6-9 days] for them to finally arrive to their destination.
[...]

Doesn't seem much, but what do you think?

[Anonymous No.17623907]

>>17623904
>I put on my robe and wizard hat.

[Anonymous No.17623917]

Is eternal champion by moorcock worth reading through?
I have read some elric and listening to corum saga right now, and I am liking it.

[Anonymous No.17623971]

>>17622882
Shit thread.

[Anonymous No.17624008]

>>17623383
I guess I'll roll as well.

[Anonymous No.17624027]

>>17623386
OK I think I got a premisse of sorts and at least one surprising twist.

I'll have a go at a short story and see where it goes from there.

[Anonymous No.17624036]

>>17623389
>>17623555
>>17624008
Did you like yours?

[Anonymous No.17624038]

>>17623907
And go for an adventure?

[Anonymous No.17624049]

What are your thoughts on Terry Goodkind and his Sword of Truth series?

[Anonymous No.17624063]

>>17624036
Not much.

>>17623383
Reroll

[Anonymous No.17624071]

Reminder there's been a grand conspiracy to remove the Lannisters since day one of them coming into power with a lot of players wanting them to deliver punishment to them the same way they killed the Targaryens. Cersei is also one hundred percent right on all her accusations.

[Anonymous No.17624087]

>>17623917

Would you recommend Corum Saga to someone completely new to Moorcock? It's the only trilogy I've got by him and I was wanting some old school fantasy to read. No idea in any way if it is connected to the Elric saga or if it is fine to read stand alone

[Anonymous No.17624105]

What is the reading age of 'Watership Down'?

My niece is 5, and I was thinking about reading it too her as she loves me reading to her and she loves rabbits.
Is it too advanced for her right now? Should I wait a few years?

[Anonymous No.17624114]

>>17624049
I enjoyed the first couple of books well enough but after like half way through the second Goodkind crawled hips deep up his own ass and turned everything into cringe bondage garbage, then later turned everything into cringe political soapboxing.

[Anonymous No.17624147]

Is Sanderson as bad as people claim?

[Anonymous No.17624151]

>>17624147
Worse. The simplest and most accurate way to put it is to say that Sanderson books are the written equivalent of Marvel movies. They have quips, they never deviate from the expected plot structures, they never colour outside the lines, and they are completely and utterly safe and sterile.

[Anonymous No.17624168]

>>17624147
I'd let you be the judge of that.

[Anonymous No.17624169]

fantasy and science fiction are dead

[Anonymous No.17624178]

>>17624169
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.17624203]

Isaac Asimov talks about SF and it's re-birth since 1938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWyITeq4pzM

[Anonymous No.17624208]

>>17624147

I read The Final Empire and thought it was fine enough as a stand alone book where I didn't feel compelled to read Well of Ascension. It was just okay but massively overhyped.

[Anonymous No.17624241]

>>17623904
Dream sequences and dream plots are fucking stupid
Hard drop

[Anonymous No.17624243]

>>17624105
5? You kidding me? Does she even know what death is at that age

[Anonymous No.17624245]

>>17624087
I would recommend to read it, I am at the end of the third book, and liking it surprisingly much.
It is kind of connected, like the whole eternal champion theme is, but does not require prior knowledge of the series. End of the first book was quite surprising.

[Anonymous No.17624255]

>>17624243
I've never read 'Watership Down', so I don't know what it's about other than talking rabbits. Is it meant for kids, or is it 'Animal Farm'?
She is pretty smart though; we have been reading Lemony Snicket and a few people die in that.

What about Princess Bride?

[Anonymous No.17624260]

>>17624147
First 3 mistborn books are bad.
Wax & Wayne however, are much better books

[Anonymous No.17624264]

>>17624168
What the fuck am I reading? Is this a script for some anime?

[Anonymous No.17624293]

Anyone here read the “Lord Darcy” short story’s and novella?

[Anonymous No.17624326]

Someone in the other thread said that the judging eye is never explained - I doubt that given an entire book is spent around it.

Can anyone confirm or deny?

[Anonymous No.17624340]

>>17624326
Multiple people replied to that thread. How about you simply read and find out? Or are you just going to take a troll's word for it?

[Anonymous No.17624345]

>>17624241
I'm sure you have better suggestion then...

[Anonymous No.17624352]

Books for this feel?

[Anonymous No.17624367]

Daily reminder that this happened.

[Anonymous No.17624380]

>>17624367
Does Sanderson visit this board?

[Anonymous No.17624382]

>>17624380
No.

[Anonymous No.17624384]

>>17623440
>Lived the worst life imaginable
How so?

[Anonymous No.17624389]

>>17624380
Only you, Richard. Brandon's too busy writing.

[Anonymous No.17624406]

>>17624326
That was me. "The Judging Eye" is the first book in a series of four, the aforementioned, "The White Luck Warrior," "The Great Ordeal," and "The Unholy Consult." None of these books is particularly "spent around" the topic after which it is named. The Judging Eye has equal presence in all four books, becoming more important later on than it is in the book bearing its name. The White Luck Warrior is important in both of the middle two books, but honestly never that important. The Great Ordeal and the Consult are, of course, the two sides in the massive war that is the topic of the entire tetralogy. I take issue with how Aspect-Emperor is structured, in that it is four separate stories which have very little interaction between them until the last book, and the first three books, for the most part, don't really tell complete story arcs or have any thematic unity in the way Prince of Nothing did.

The basic function of the Judging Eye is explained; what is never explained is where it comes from, why it works, why Mimara has it, and of course whether Kellhus is damned.

[Anonymous No.17624414]

>>17623383
come on positivity

[Anonymous No.17624429]

>>17624345
Yes: go away

[Anonymous No.17624449]

>>17624429
>go away
Nah. I'm fine here.

[Anonymous No.17624543]

>>17623383
Alrighty

[Anonymous No.17624558]

>>17624340
Sander gag in disguise, comment ignored

[Anonymous No.17624560]

So, I just finished this..
I'm brainlet and I don't really get it.
What's the message here?

[Anonymous No.17624581]

>>17624560
>What's the message here?
That: I'm brainlet and I don't really get it.

[Anonymous No.17624630]

>>17624384
>grandfather died
>had to move to a slum where they lived with another family as a kid
>lost the majority of his inheritance because of paperwork
>was malnourished for the entirety of his adult life due to poverty
>spent less money on food so he could spend money on mailing his work
>didn't make enough money to live on writing fiction
>the reason his stories are noted to have been written many years before publishing is because no one wanted to publish them
>at the mountains of madness destroyed his career
>1 year later he died of terminal intestinal cancer
>no one knew who he was during his lifetime and he died knowing he'd be forgotten
You'd think he'd be rich based on his fame today, but he was a literal nobody in life, and dirt poor.

[Anonymous No.17624642]

>>17624558
t.sandersoy

[Anonymous No.17624652]

>>17624560
Don’t ever, for any reason, do anything, to anyone, for any reason, ever, no matter what, no matter where, or who, or who you are with, or where you are going, or where you’ve been, ever, for any reason whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.17624695]

>>17624581
>>17624652
yeah... still don't get it.
what happened to that Masteen dude anyway.
He just kinda fucks off at the near ending parts of the book

[Anonymous No.17624722]

>>17623578
Psychohistory cannot account to stuff like science breakthroughs or freak rng. That happens a few times later on in the series.

[Anonymous No.17624760]

>>17623506
>>17623626
Holy shit bros...maybe Sanderson is okay for a certain kind of reader...or should I say, "reader".

[Anonymous No.17624795]

>>17624760
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.17624816]

I like tits. What is a good sci-fi or fantasy book with tits?

[Anonymous No.17624822]

Friendly reminder.

[Anonymous No.17624834]

>When love dies, Leweth, one must learn to love another.

[Anonymous No.17624841]

>>17623543
It gets old pretty quick. I stopped reading the series when I got to the first "slave book", which is nothing but Norman's dom-sub-BDSM shit. And when I say nothing but I mean nothing but.

Nomads of Gor is generally seen as the best book in the series, one can and probably should stop reading after that.

[Anonymous No.17624842]

>>17624406
If I'm understanding the metaphysics right, if Mimara had turned the judging eye on Kellhus before Resumption/defeat of the Consult he would have been damned as a sorcerer. But afterward if he had succeeded he would have communicated with the Outside at Golgotterath and rewritten existence, thus undamning himself, all sorcerers if he wants, all whores, etc. Of course he has no reason to do that for anyone but himself.
>>17624795
No it's pretty funny actually

[Anonymous No.17624880]

>>17624842
I mean maybe, I don't think there's anything in the text to suggest that that's Kellhus's plan exactly or that he's even capable of doing so.

[Anonymous No.17624908]

>Tell me, Iswazi. Do you think the Mother allowed her to foresee this?
>T-t-to s-s-s-see what..?
>Her plummet.

[Anonymous No.17624932]

>>17624816
>Hannah Minx

Haven't thought about her in years.
What is shit up to nowadays?

She has to be coming up to her 50s right?

[Anonymous No.17625104]

Opinions?

[Anonymous No.17625111]

>>17623383

Why no Heideggerisms or Descartisms? I think either would be interesting to work with

[Anonymous No.17625191]

How well would Kellhus do against The God Hand or Apostles if he was summoned into an Eclipse like scenario

[Anonymous No.17625224]

>>17625191
He’d just cut his own deal to become a god hand

[Anonymous No.17625279]

Does it trouble you , Proyas.

[Anonymous No.17625291]

>>17625111
I don't own the idea, you can make your own.

[Anonymous No.17625296]

>>17625279
TOOO MUCH FUCKING KINOOO IN ONE BOOK!

THE MEMES DID NOT FAIL!!

[Anonymous No.17625348]

How do I come up with cute monster girls that aren’t just girls with animal ears and tails?

[Anonymous No.17625378]

>>17625104
No opinion. I haven't read books since middle school.

[Anonymous No.17625427]

>Any Battletech recommendations?

warrior trilogy

[Anonymous No.17625454]

>>17624169
not while bakker still lives

[Anonymous No.17625460]

>>17624908
arguably ooc?

[Anonymous No.17625476]

>>17625460
Kellhus has always been something of a quipper

[Anonymous No.17625541]

>>17625279
T U R G I D
H
O
R
N

[Anonymous No.17625574]

>>17625476
I think it's part of his quantum brain that he always needs to seem the most extraordinary, dominant, and prescient. It certainly is a quip, but not due to any sense of humor. It's a way of establishing his utter dominance over Malowebi.

[Anonymous No.17625626]

Holy fucking shit.

Why is Kellhus sodomizing Proyas? This is too much!

[Anonymous No.17625639]

>>17625626
Read and find out influence of the meat and needing to break down Proyas for what comes later

[Anonymous No.17625746]

>>17623281
Daddy's boy faggot should not be on that list.
Kill yourself just like your tranny hero

[Anonymous No.17625885]

>>17622882
Fuck!
E William Brown
Better Publish

[Anonymous No.17625903]

>>17624932
She married some rich uggo who goes ballz deep in her every night.

[Anonymous No.17625912]

Should I read E William Brown?
That anon's posting is beginning to sway me to check it out.

[Anonymous No.17625919]

>>17625885
>>17625912

Like pottery >>17624822

[Anonymous No.17625929]

This is a nice map

[Anonymous No.17625945]

>>17625912
He writes smut pulp, but for some reason I like it. I can't explain why.

[Anonymous No.17626051]

>>17624105
I may be one of the biggest advocates for going into a book blind, but if you're reading for a 5 year old that's a bad idea.

[Anonymous No.17626074]

>>17624105
Read her The Plague Dogs instead, it's lighter :)

[Anonymous No.17626081]

>>17624560
not everything has to be Aesop's fables. can't you simply enjoy some weird stories from distant worlds without searching for deeper meanings?

[Anonymous No.17626116]

>>17624105
>my niece is 5 and she loves rabbits
>should I read her Watership Down?
Jesus
If she's growing up on a farm and has seen animals die before, maybe.

[Anonymous No.17626124]

Why are people put off by Watts' autismo "vampires?"

[Anonymous No.17626133]

>>17625929
It honestly is pretty nice, but my goodness, Sanderson thinks up the blandest, most unoriginal fantasy names for everything. It's like everyone and everything in all of his settings is in the same generic fantasy culture.

[Anonymous No.17626142]

>>17625929
>big desert and frozen areas right next to each other on the same latitude
>no sense of scale, with ridiculously large countries on giant pangea-esque continent
>barely any inland bodies of water beyond a couple and one standard big one with a super generic magical name, because you were getting lazy and tied by that point
Did a 10 year old design this?

[Anonymous No.17626156]

>>17626124
Because

[Anonymous No.17626169]

>>17626142
>>17626133

Sanderson doesn't deserve the hate he gets. He's a phenomenal worldbuilder, and his magic systems are fascinating - so fascinating that most ya authors and all upcoming witters are trying to copy him.
His critics may argue that his prose is weak, but it's not. Basic? Yes. But weak? No. Sanderson's prose is based around painting a picture in your head with as little words as possible. He's not trying to be flowery or poetic, and he's not trying to break new ground in the medium. He's simply trying to tell a damn good story, which he does, by brilliantly executing tropes in a satisfactory manner.
Sanderson is easily a top 10 fantasy writer of the current era, bakker autism be damned.

[Anonymous No.17626182]

>>17626142
You do know what magic is, right?
You retarded mapfags can go back to /tg/. I don't understand why you autistic fucks think that another planet will have the same shit we have on earth.
Do you expect a planet with 8 moons to have the same tides as earth? You fucking faggots.

[Anonymous No.17626189]

>>17626169
>>17626182
Based

[Anonymous No.17626196]

>>17624255
Princess Bride is a lot better. Watership Down depicts combat, death, and destruction pretty starkly. More of a 7-8 year old book.

[Anonymous No.17626210]

>>17626169
this is pasta, it's been posted in numerous threads before

sandershit may be able to write a workmanlike anime story for the airport bookstore masses, but his YA shit is intellectually stunting and anyone over the age of 18 who reads him seriously, let alone invests in his DLC pyramid scheme, should be seriously ashamed of themselves.

[Anonymous No.17626227]

I started to read harry potter and the methods of rationality

is this cringe or cringe kino

[Anonymous No.17626242]

>>17625885
You do know that he hides in the QQ site. If you want to stalk him go there.

[Anonymous No.17626313]

>>17624822
You don’t get to brings shills.
>They work for the Canadian. The autistic man.
BAKKER?

[Anonymous No.17626423]

>>17622882
Anybody read Chateau Cascade? Picked it up recently and thought it was just great. Heroes journey with a lot of fun tropes, magic vs technology, etc

[TUC SPOILERS No.17626455]

>>17626313
Aurang: Pair them up with our erratics, I'll send a cant of calling.

Aurang: The flight plan I just filled with Shaeönanra lists me, the Cûnuroi, and this tribesman here but only one of you!

Aurang: First one to talk doesn't get dropped into that horde of Sranc below!

Aurang: Who are the Dunyain? Tell me about Kellhus, why does he wear the decapitants!

Aurang: A lot of loyalty for an autistic monk!

*He fires his staff of light into the air*

Mutilated: Or perhaps he's wondering why someone would kill a man before throwing him out of a plane...

Aurang: At least you can talk, who are you?

Mutilated: It doesn't matter who we are... What matters is our plan.

Mutilated: We have considered how you discovered our refuge, nobody cared about us for over two thousand years..

Aurang: If I destroyed Ishual, would you die?

Mutilated: It would be extremely painful...

Aurang: You're a smart guy!

Mutilated: For you.

Aurang: Was getting caught part of your plan?

Mutilated: Of course!

Aurang: Well congratulations, you got yourself caught! Now what's the next step of your master plan?

Mutilated: TAKING OVER THIS CONSULT... DISPOSING OF ANY WHO STAND IN OUR WAY, BRINGING ABOUT THE RETURN OF MOG PHAROU AND CLOSING THIS WORLD...

WITH ONE HUNDRED AND FOURTY FOUR THOUSAND SURVIVORS!

[Anonymous No.17626481]

>>17626455
i laughed way too hard at this

[Anonymous No.17626559]

>>17626455
Outstanding!

[Anonymous No.17626567]

>>17626455
Joke's on you :) Didn't read

[Anonymous No.17626657]

So, I did Horus Rising, paiful to suffer it to the end. I could not bare another 4 until the supposed good stuff happens, skipping to Fulgrim.
fuck. me. silly. What gets to me is that I read for new knowledge, opinions, viewpoints: and boring, boring, predictable, childish in its scope shallowness, annoying as a female. Fuck me, skipping chapters ahead and it's still the fucking same inanity. Tropey and predictable down to what words the author/s use/s, it's like anime, but for reading and for supposed nerds/grownups. The shallowness, inconsistency, it bothers me too much to be able to enjoy anything related to the faggy tryhard empire of thirdgrader-minded children. I'm angry I wasted some 8--10h listened to this shit, x2.5 is not fast enough for this sludge.

So, before deleting some 60 GB of audiobooks, and novels found in 1337x, audiobookbay and libgen, other than fabious bile, and two eldar trilos I was rec'd, is there anything that I should give a try? I'm still glad to have tried it, can I finally blacklist the series and universe and topic, and never think about it again.

Didn't have net, sat on this for 1h, just now realized the primarch's fulgrim book is from yet againt another author-- why bother with subtitles, why bother with titles at all, ffs.

Started an actually good book, so I'll try the other Fulgrim, hopefully the 'good one' later or tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.17626700]

Follow up to Blindopraxia when? I thought it was supposed to be a trilogy and it has been almost three years since the last book for our guy Peter Watts.

[TUC SPOILERS No.17626723]

>>17626657
you didn't like the sculpture stuff and the orchestra orgy?

[Anonymous No.17626754]

>>17626455
I actually, very seriously laughing. And I'm being honest and very unironical here. It's fucking kino

[Anonymous No.17626759]

>>17626657
There are only 4 40k books worth reading, and I have read them all. Eisenhorn trilogy, and HH flight of the eisenstein, with the loyalist death guard

[Anonymous No.17626762]

>>17626657
I remember you from the previous thread, you must be some kind of masochist if you subject yourself to a series when you were 100% sure you would dislike it. Don't read wh40k because of the memes, you really have to enjoy the grimdark cheesiness of it. I've read most thing about Imperial Guardsmen and Inquisitors I could put my hands because I like the David vs. Goliath narrative. On the other hand I have most Horus Heresy books downloaded and I haven't still read any of them, because I find Space Muhreens and invincible superhumans in general dreadfully boring.

[Anonymous No.17626763]

>>17626759
ravenor is just more eisenhorn

[Anonymous No.17626764]

>>17626657
Have you read Helsreach, Know No Fear, Talon of Horus (i love space neet yugioh wizard), Titanicus, The Infinite and the Divine, and Betrayer?

If you know the setting, the order of the books generally doesn't matter. Just focus on the good ones.

[Anonymous No.17626767]

>>17626723
didn't really get to and orchestra orgy, i started skipping ahead aroudn the end of ch4, started going on about marble- and this dude's supposted to be fucking smart, yet first thing you order or do on a conquered world is mine/import martial mostly useless for anything other than chipping away at? it's shallow and badly written
>>17626759
If they're like the horus heresy, that's all diarrhea to me. I have very different taste to most here, you could say.

[Anonymous No.17626771]

>>17626657
I've only read Crusades End everything else seems like filler

[Anonymous No.17626784]

>>17626767
>I have very different taste to most here, you could say.

Read Battle of the Abyss faglet

[Anonymous No.17626786]

Any good recent releases?

[Anonymous No.17626798]

>>17626764
I'll given them a try, but again if they're boggled down by shallow, school-age-tier politics and tacitcs and they predictableness all-around, i'll just forgo scifi altogether.
I've never liked the genre, bc. I've not once found a good book.
Maybe I don't like series.
I know there's an Arther c clark rama,ramus series - anyone familiar w/ it?

>>17626771
Given it's 40y-worth of promo material, it'd be more like a planetary landfill than mere filler.

[Anonymous No.17626808]

>final book plays on the nostalgia of the characters and puts focus on the fact that things just aren't as simple as they were when they were younger.

[Anonymous No.17626814]

>>17626798
Ya, actually skip WH40k and start harry potter and the methods of rationality

[Anonymous No.17626816]

>>17626169
Based

[Anonymous No.17626817]

>>17625296
what the fuck is this

[Anonymous No.17626824]

>>17626817
kid has a spinal problem and this is a way to straighten or strengthen his spine. its in a doctor's office

[Anonymous No.17626832]

>>17626081
I don't know.
Just felt like the story was building up to something that's all.

[Anonymous No.17626833]

>>17626817
Is how I'm feeling going through the Great Ordeal

[Anonymous No.17626854]

>>17626814
I had the first or second book as a child, some 15y ago, never read more than 20p, and even the movies got annoying w/ also conveniences happening after the 3rd.
lotr was excruciatingly bad writing imo, but prefer the writing style of chuck palahniuk- succinct, action-based, not an endless scroll of adjectives described how each dab of mold looked on the first tree on some hobbits' way thru a fucking forest

[Anonymous No.17626858]

>>17626854
filtered

[Anonymous No.17626872]

> T R U T H S H I N E S
> D O E S I T T R O U B L E Y O U ?
> D E A T H C A M E S W I R L I N G
> B L A C K S E E D
> W H O R E A F T E R A L L
> F A T H E R . . .
> S K I N S P Y
> I R E M E M B E R
> M U M M E E E E
> T E N D T O Y O U R W O M E N
> C U R S E L I K A R O
> E A T T H E M E A T
> H E R P L U M M E T
> I A M S T R O N G E R
> I A M M O R E
> C L A C K C L A C K C L A C K
> B R E A K E R O F H O R S E S A N D M E N
> H O W I H A T E . . .
> I S M E L L C U N N Y
> I F U C K S R A N C
> T E L L M E . . .

[Anonymous No.17626876]

>>17626872
Me on the left

[Anonymous No.17626880]

>>17622882
You need to go back
>>>/vt/

[Anonymous No.17626888]

is there such thing as a benevolent sociopath?

how would I write one?

[Anonymous No.17626890]

>>17626872
Based kid in the blind guardian shirt

[Anonymous No.17626902]

>>17626888
>is there such thing as a benevolent sociopath?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.17626943]

>>17626824
Crazy. I mean, the spiny thing is less alarming to me than the fucking crank on the kid's head. Imagine how tight that thing has to be to hold the weight of his body, and the centrifugal force, you know? I'm getting pressure headaches just thinking about it.

[Anonymous No.17626952]

>>17626888
Best Dr. Doom is benevolent sociopath Doom

[Anonymous No.17626959]

>>17626880
This.
Also >>>/a/

[Inchoroi No.17626971]

I've been stuffed in your pocket for the last hundred days
When I don't get my bath I take it out on the slaves
So grease up your baby for the ball on the hill
Polish them rockets now and swallow those pills
And say ooooooooh Space Lord mother mother

I left my throne a million miles away
I drink from your tit and sing the blues every day
Give me the strength to split the world in two now
I ate all the rest and now I've gotta eat you

Milking my nightmares and using my name
You're stabbing my cortex when you know I'm insane
I'm squeezed out in hump-drive and I'm drowning in love
Encompass immortal position above

And say oh, Space Lord mother mother
Space Lord mother mother
Space Lord mother mother
Space Lord mother mother
Space Lord mother mother

I lost my soul when I fell to earth
My planets call me to the void of my birth
The time has come for me to kill this game
Now open wide and say my name

[Anonymous No.17626976]

>>17623281
>Arthur C. Clarke
Absolutely based.

[Anonymous No.17627029]

I think it'd be fun to rewrite a bad book but with a good story and good characters.

Which book would you do, /sffg/?

[Anonymous No.17627037]

Why isn't Bakker like him bros? Look at the pure joyful goofiness.

Where are you Richard? Say something on your blog for fucks sake!

[Anonymous No.17627042]

>>17627029
mistborn

[Anonymous No.17627058]

>>17627037
>tfw you will never hang out with bakker at a con and be goofy cosplaying as an ursranc with your bros from /sffg/ cosplaying akka, cnaiur, proyas, sorweel, esmi, cleric, aurang, and the rest of the gang.

[Anonymous No.17627065]

>>17627058
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.17627067]

>>17627042
this

sanderson's best characters and coolest story but bogged down by his shitty prose and morminisms

[Anonymous No.17627085]

>>17626971
A staple in my gym playlist.

[Anonymous No.17627090]

>imagine being the guy on the right.

Oh no no no no no

[Anonymous No.17627099]

>>17627090
rothfuss always looks deranged
what is his fucking problem

[Anonymous No.17627100]

>>17627099
Impostor Syndrome, most likely. Unironically

[Anonymous No.17627112]

>>17623415
Asimov is terrible, one of those writers who just doesn't hold up, same as Clarke

[Anonymous No.17627113]

What the fuck is this shit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQBGmBOhQEE

[Superdûnyain No.17627115]

>>17626971

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8pVZ5hTGJQ

It was an early morning yesterday
I was up before the dawn
And I really have enjoyed Ishuäl
But I must be moving on

Like Prince that comes from nothing
Like a Prophet no one knows
I'm an early mornin' Dûnyain
And I must be movin' on

Now you believe in what I say
To me you're exactly as you seem
But I have to have things my own way
To keep me in my Dreams

Like a Sranc without its black seed
Like Nansur without its plains
Just the thought of that bad Consult
Sends a shiver through my veins

And I will go on shining
Shining halos oh so gold
I'll never look behind me
‘Cause there’s a head upon a pole

Goodbye Leweth, it's been nice
Sad to leave you in the ice
Easy to grasp your point of view
You world-born children have no clue

Goodbye Serwë, goodbye Babe
Wish I could tell you that you’re saved

Feel no sorrow, feel no shame
Come tomorrow, feel no pain
Sweet devotion (Goodbye Cnaiür)
It's not for me (Goodbye Dad)
Just give me Gnosis (Think I’m goin’)
To set me free (Goin’ mad)
Towards the gold Horns (Feel no sorrow)
Far away (Feel no shame)
It's the life I've chosen (Come tomorrow)
Every day (Feel no pain)

So goodbye Saubon
So goodbye Proy
Will the whole World
Be destroyed?

Now some are true and some are false
But I can always tell
And some are spies, we call ‘em Things
I suppose it's just as well

You can laugh at my behaviour
And that'll never bother me
Say Ajokli is my saviour
But I don't pay no heed

And I will go on shining
Shining like brand new
No one can come close to me
Since I'm the greatest of the Few

Goodbye Akka, it's been nice
Shame you won't find paradise
Tried to see your point of view
Too bad your Dreams will all come true

Goodbye Esmi, goodbye all
Must my whole life end in salt?
Feel no sorrow, feel no shame
Come tomorrow, feel no pain

[Anonymous No.17627117]

>>17627113
It's based.

[Anonymous No.17627120]

>>17627117
You need to be 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.17627134]

>>17627120
Fuck you, the only people that worship that fraud Cobain are millenials who fell for the fake 90s corporate "rebellion" bullshit. Don't bring that to MY bakker discussion chat room.

[Anonymous No.17627170]

>>17627134
I don't think that you know what "based" means.

[Inchoroi No.17627179]

>>17627058
>tfw the guy cosplaying kellhus is a high iq psycopath and seduces your gf who was cosplaying as Esmenet and has a threesome with her and the serwe cosplayer in the hotel room next to yours

[Anonymous No.17627186]

>>17627179
Literally happened.

[Inchoroi No.17627241]

>>17627186
>haha ok Scott joke's over, babe come over here.
>"Does it trouble you Anon?"

[Anonymous No.17627253]

>>17627186
wattsbros....

[Anonymous No.17627280]

>>17627037
Looks like they're having fun but he is really fuckin fat, compare to Bakker's lithe, lean, aesthetic figure

[Anonymous No.17627318]

>>17627186
>>17627280

Looking at him, I wouldnt be surprised if his arthritis is from EDS.

Might just be because I suffer from EDS.

[Inchoroi No.17627333]

>>17627186
WHAT ARE THOOOSE

[Anonymous No.17627341]

>>17627318
>Bakker is a real life tekne monster
It all makes sense

[Anonymous No.17627406]

>>17627186
>Tell me. What do you see?

[Anonymous No.17627425]

>>17627333
Thots.

[Anonymous No.17627466]

Why does everyone and everything in Earwa (men, nonmen, sranc, skinspies, wracu, etc.) have a thicc upward curving donger that pokes them in the belly button? What did you mean by this, Scott? Have you only seen your own peen and think they all look that way? It's it somehow a result of Inchoroi tekne? I know you're here fucker, answer me!

[Anonymous No.17627479]

>>17627112
I've liked all the Clarke books I've read though, they generally held up.

[Inchoroi No.17627480]

>>17627425
the shoes, don't know the meme? should have had sex..

[Anonymous No.17627533]

>>17623281
>No Clark Ashton Smith
You had one job anon

[Anonymous No.17627561]

>>17623904
>I assume this is a good place to ask for tips or witting advise.
You assume incorrectly. Get out.

[Anonymous No.17627568]

>>17627480
I did have sex, that is why I know they are thot.

[Anonymous No.17627577]

>>17627466
He may be here, but He will not respond to stupid questions like that.

[Anonymous No.17627593]

>>17627479
gross

[Anonymous No.17627672]

>>17626808
What book are you refering to?

[Anonymous No.17627822]

>>17627058
I'll be honest, I'll cosplay as Nil’giccas / Incariol / Cleric

[Anonymous No.17627835]

>>17627115
Baste
>>17627577
Shut up and tell us about the penises, Scott

[Anonymous No.17627892]

I'd cosplay as my favorite Ordealman, Sibawûl Vaka.

[Anonymous No.17627990]

So I think that the No-God was not the original plan. It's at least implied that the original plan of the inchoroi was immortality instead of downright death. But something happened, something that includes the death of all nonman women, something that showed the inchoroi that ''death of birth'' could actually cut the world from the Outside.
And since real immortality could not be achieved without wanting to fucking kill yourself in the end anyway, I think the inchoroi / subsequent Consult went along with the ''death of birth'' plan, the No-god.

[Anonymous No.17628087]

HOLY SHIT

THE FIRST ISHUEL CHAPTER IN THE GREAT ORDEL IS ABSOLUTE PEAK KINO!

Why weren’t the previous books like this? The first 100 pages of the book have been 10/10 until now.

[Anonymous No.17628404]

>Mom decided she wanted to read some science fiction and fantasy books
>For some reason thought the best place to get some recommendations would be to go to a local science fiction and fantasy club she saw advertised on a flyer at the library
>Showed up and it was every bad stereotype about those type of clubs in one room
>Fedoras, bad hygiene, a stomach hanging out below a shirt, a stinky guy, ratty looking girls, someone wearing a costume, some people brought props
>Most of meeting was just people talking about books my mom had never heard of
>Some guy gave her a list of books and it was all military science fiction my mom had no interest in

I don't read very much sci-fi or fantasy, what do I recommend she read? My favorite books in both genres are A Canticle for Leibowitz and The Once and Future King, but she didn't show much interest in either.

[Anonymous No.17628440]

>>17628404
Your mom for sure got laid that day by the Bakkerfags.

[Inchoroi No.17628450]

>>17628404
the darkness that comes before

[Inchoroi No.17628453]

>>17628087
what happens in that one again? Has the survivor showed up yet?

Cuts and cuts and cuts....

[Anonymous No.17628503]

>>17628440
Bakkerfag here. Can confirm. Lost my virginity to this old slut lmao, thx /sffg/

[Anonymous No.17628546]

>>17628404
This possibly.
I recommended Hyperion to my mom and she really liked those, so you might try that.
Possibly also Reynold's House of Suns.

[Anonymous No.17628550]

>>17628503
>Bakkerfag here.
>Lost my virginity
Impossible

[Anonymous No.17628604]

>>17628453
He showed up in that chapter.

[Anonymous No.17628617]

>>17627186
>your favorite grimdark rape-fetishist author wears New Balance
checks out

[Inchoroi No.17628643]

>>17628617
it was a different time

[Anonymous No.17628648]

>>17628617
Whats wrong with New Balance?

[Anonymous No.17628657]

>>17628550
Bakkerfags fuck, though.
>>17628617
Does it trouble you? Comfy athletic-casual footwear of kings.

[Anonymous No.17628671]

>>17628657
>Bakkerfags fuck, though.
Yeah, each other, in the gay hole.

[Anonymous No.17628697]

>>17628648
>>17628657
i hope you guys weren't those losers that wore these shoes unironically in high school

it's the quintessential autist shoe.

[Anonymous No.17628707]

>>17626455
202-fucking-1 and we're mixing baneposting with bakkerposting. never change, /sffg/.

[Anonymous No.17628718]

This is truly an awful general.

[Anonymous No.17628721]

>>17628697
I just wear whatever I find comfortable, I'm way past the phase of dressing for fashion

[Anonymous No.17628722]

>>17628718
HOW.
I HATE.
THIS THREAD.

[Anonymous No.17628726]

Just started Gardens of the Moon and I'm on chapter four. What are your thoughts on Malazan?

[Anonymous No.17628732]

>>17628404
I'm surprised it wasn't just a tranny hangout

[Anonymous No.17628734]

>f/sf writer
>he doesn't have evil eyebrows

[Anonymous No.17628735]

>>17628721
just wear air force ones dudes

basic and comfortable and no one will give you shit for it

[Anonymous No.17628736]

>>17628718
Lighten up, it's fun.

[Anonymous No.17628737]

>>17628726
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.17628748]

>>17628737
No

[Anonymous No.17628750]

>>17628726
I tried reading Gardens back in the 00s and was completely filtered by it, I'm too scared to try again

[Anonymous No.17628755]

>>17628734
Nice eyebrows bro
I started Cage of Souls, it's okay so far, but I was expecting to be swept off my feet given the rave reviews.

[Anonymous No.17628764]

>>17628697
I did. It was the only brand I wore. Not from any brand loyalty though. I just liked them.
I'm also yuro though.

[Anonymous No.17628766]

>>17628721
used to be good though. we just have to wait a few weeks until the newfags get tired and leave

[Anonymous No.17628795]

>>17626700
He's posted some excerpts of the third book in the crawl, it's coming. Slowly, but surely, it's coming.

[Anonymous No.17628807]

>bakker or watts
Who is the greater Canadian?

[Anonymous No.17628812]

>>17626872
3/5, needs more references to benises (turgid horn, tumescent shaft).

[Anonymous No.17628829]

>Issiral ate. He slept. He shat. His shit stank.

Bakker going full Martin.

[Anonymous No.17628831]

>>17625104
Ordered it today! I'm excited.

[Anonymous No.17628846]

>>17628755
It's good, it's just extremely slow. It takes many unexpected turns, and the world building is crazy and varied, though you only get some surface level exposition for most of it, including the sea, which is probably my favorite excerpt from the book.

>North is the sea, which I have not mentioned before, and will not again. Expeditions cross into the desert, and the jungles house the Island and its inmates, but the sea is no place for human life, even for a moment. North from Shadrapar lies a barren, rock-strewn beach leading jaggedly down to the poisoned shore. It is not water, as we understand it, that makes up that sea. It is some chemical-laced potion fatal to life, and yet inimitable to death as well. The tiny micro-animals that are responsible for decay and renewal are as averse to the sea as we are. If you ventured down to the tide’s edge you would see a rolling expanse of black fluid out as far as the eye could see, and everywhere across it you would see the bodies: of fish and marine creatures, and the occasional luckless human being. The species of animal to be found floating on the tide are all extinct, and have been for millennia. There are bizarre and astonishing prodigies there that have no equal anywhere on Earth. Everything is preserved in its final attitude of twisted, envenomed death, and will no doubt still be there when the sun consumes the Earth and brings the whole sad show to an end. I looked upon the sea just once in my life, and that through a telescope, and never wished to do so again. Some who make the sea their study claim that there are things that make the waters move, and feed on those unnaturally maintained corpses. I believe none of it. The sea is death’s unchanging kingdom on Earth, and it has no part in this story.

[Anonymous No.17628922]

I got recommended Way of Choices in one of these threads when I asked which chink shit to read. Pretty good so far, the other cultivation novels I had checked out read like a summary but this actually has prose and world building. And it's not a power fantasy, the MC only became somewhat OP near the end of the first book. Does it stay good after the tournament arc?

[Anonymous No.17628958]

I used to love the Dragonlance books as a kid in the 90's, do they hold up?

[Anonymous No.17628968]

>>17628732
She went like 3 years ago, there are probably some trannies in it now.

[Anonymous No.17628973]

>>17628958
I was in your shoes. I read a few of the books as a kid and had vague but pleasant memories. I tried to revisit the books a year ago but I couldn't even finish one of them. Don't go there, buddy. Enjoy the memories but move on with your reading.

[Anonymous No.17629038]

>>17628404
>Fedoras, bad hygiene, a stomach hanging out below a shirt, a stinky guy, ratty looking girls, someone wearing a costume, some people brought props
Reminds me of the sci-fi book and anime mega-nerd at my high school who wore fairly tight sweatpants and was constantly popping boners at inappropriate times. Dude would pop boners in gym, in math class, at lunch, it was just constant boner popping with that guy.

[Anonymous No.17629047]

>>17629038
You were that guy.

[Anonymous No.17629059]

>>17629038
based boner guy

[Anonymous No.17629083]

>>17629038
>his turgid horn
>his tumescent manhood
>his swollen phallus

[Anonymous No.17629091]

>>17629083
>And suddenly his cock was out, jutting upward from his breeches like a fat pink mast

[Anonymous No.17629110]

>>17629083
>throttling my little brother

[Anonymous No.17629112]

>>17626455
I peed a little

[Anonymous No.17629131]

This place really is completely r/bakker now.

[Anonymous No.17629138]

>>17629131
You have to go Bacuck.

[Anonymous No.17629167]

>>17629131
>What do you say?
>That this is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.17629188]

>>17629138
You don't have to be a redditor to recognize reddit replies so many of those backerposts get.

[Anonymous No.17629215]

>hero of his most famous story is an alpha norwegian guy who injures cthulhu by ramming the boat he commandeered from filthy non-whites into it, literally saving the world from a premature rise of the great old ones
>all the evil people are described as non-whites and referred to as mongrels, and even a legendary line about a "nautical-looking negro"
>every single one of his stories are racist in some way
>openly white supremacist
>even the most hardcore sjw into literature ignores his racism because of the quality of his writing and how influential he was
Hello, based department.

[Anonymous No.17629225]

>>17629215
>even the most hardcore sjw into literature ignores his racism because of the quality of his writing and how influential he was
I thought they all were mad because of the cat's name.

[Anonymous No.17629229]

>>17629225
"They" are tourists who've just now encountered this meme.

[Anonymous No.17629328]

>>17627990
Disagree. The Inchoroi are weapon races like the Sranc. The progenitors made them as warrior-caste and they didn't have any plans of their own until Sil, the first Inchoroi king, came out of the stupor from losing guidance of the Ark. I do think that sterelization was always part of the plan and the No-God was built on that. As important as killing people is to ensure people aren't being born. Compared to the womb plague, the No-God is much more effective because the gods can't target it and the Inchoroi don't have to trick humans into doing anything like they did with the nonmen. The problem of immortality is that by watching themselves in the inverse fire, they already know they are eventually going to die, so there can be no deathproof strategy. Besides trying to stay alive as long as possible, the Consult wants to end in oblivion.

[Anonymous No.17629330]

>Robert E Howard was only 30 when he committed suicide

[Inchoroi No.17629356]

>>17629167
based

[Inchoroi No.17629364]

>>17629215
>every single one of his stories are racist in some way

not true

[Inchoroi No.17629367]

>>17629330
superior race my ass

[Anonymous No.17629376]

>>17627990
His penis should be pointing upwards

[Anonymous No.17629378]

>>17629356
>>17629364
>>17629367
you forgot to take your namefag off n00b

[Anonymous No.17629383]

>>17629378
thanks

[Anonymous No.17629445]

>>17628617
New Balance are like a combination of Jordans and Bruno Maglis to canadians. My mans is pimpin

[Anonymous No.17629462]

>>17629215
I wonder what hims cat name was?

[Anonymous No.17629490]

Sell me on Bakker.

[Anonymous No.17629510]

>>17629490
He is the greatest fantasy writer since Tolkien. His books are not light, comforting, or easy, but they are extraordinarily interesting, gripping, and well-written.

[Anonymous No.17629522]

>>17629510
dilate

[Anonymous No.17629531]

>>17629510
I like Bakker but he's been elevated to weirdly high levels. I mean, the Prince of Nothing went downhill hard after the first book (which -was- excellent). It's still good, but it's clear that when he has to write to a publisher's deadline Bakker has trouble.

[Anonymous No.17629605]

anyone got the discord link?

[Anonymous No.17629614]

>>17629531
most people put book 2 and 3 above 1

[Anonymous No.17629619]

>>17629605
Yes

[Anonymous No.17629620]

>>17629531
>bakker wrote twp and ttt in 2 years

truly the GOAT

[Anonymous No.17629625]

>>17629614
2>1>>3

[Anonymous No.17629626]

>>17629605
anon, only trannies use discord

[Anonymous No.17629629]

>>17629531
Warrior prophet was the best book he wrote though?

[Anonymous No.17629636]

>>17629531
>he's been elevated to weirdly high levels
Virtually everything else is trash in comparison.

[Anonymous No.17629638]

>>17629629
>not TGO/TUC
ngmi bro

[Anonymous No.17629653]

>>17629638
I’ve just started the GO and I already know it’s going to be better than WP.

[Anonymous No.17629658]

TUC>TWP>TTFT>TGO>TDTCB>TJE>TWLW

[Anonymous No.17629662]

>>17629625
7> 6> 2> 3> 4> 1> 5
This is the objective and definitive ranking

[Anonymous No.17629664]

>>17629462
Dayman

[Anonymous No.17629679]

>>17629658
best to worse
TWP > TUC > TDTCB > TGO > TTT > TJE > WLW

[Anonymous No.17629697]

I'm thinking Bakker and Watts get so much traction here because sff readers at large weren't exposed to cognitive sciences at all before.

I liked both Second Apocalypse and Blindsight, this isn't a critique.

[Anonymous No.17629701]

>>17629619
are you a tranny?
>>17629625

[Anonymous No.17629716]

>>17624630
I've seen it asserted that the kind of intestinal cancer he died of only happens when you're malnourished. So, he basically starved to death. Don't know if that's true, but it's sobering to think about.

[Anonymous No.17629750]

>>17629658
>>17629679
why are you guys ranking TGO so low? it’s fucking kino

[Anonymous No.17629770]

>>17629750
Because it was split in two. If it was one book I’d put it higher

[Anonymous No.17629774]

>>17629605
bakkercord: https://discord.com/invite/KWPCM7m

[Anonymous No.17629775]

Do we know why Kellhus's father Moenghus went out into the world in the first place? Kellhus left for an obvious reason, the impetus of every single event of the series barring some of the very early stuff (Kiyuth, Inrau, etc.). But what led to Moenghus leaving Ishual?

[Anonymous No.17629779]

>>17629605
There should be a /lit/ discord where you're not allowed to chat until you've read at least 25 pages that day.

[Anonymous No.17629784]

>>17629774
Based, see you guys soon

[Anonymous No.17629791]

>>17629750
Because the Nonmen mansion is a drag of gratuitous worldbuilding and irrelevant side-characters introduced at the 11th hour.

[Anonymous No.17629802]

>>17629697
blindsight/rifters seems to have an assload of russian/eastern euro fans (even cosplayers)... idk what else to say but when these people say it's good stuff, it must be.

[Anonymous No.17629828]

>>17629775
Some Sranc found Ishual. The Dunyain wiped them out, but they sent out one of their own (Moenghus) the explore for a bit and figure out what was going on in the world. When he returned, they refused to take him back in, on the grounds that he had been tainted by the world (he probably had observed enough things, specially sorcery, that refuted the Dunyain doctrine).

[Anonymous No.17629838]

>>17629828
>>17629775
How the hell did Ishüal stay a secret for so long anyways? Two thousand years is a *lot* of time.

[Anonymous No.17629848]

>>17629838
literally nobody lives out there and Dunyain probably killed anyone who got close.

[Anonymous No.17629849]

>>17629750
nobody is ranking it low, it's great it's just it has strong compitition

[Anonymous No.17629860]

>>17629838
The location was chosen precisely because it was hard to find.

Though that obviously rases the question of how did the original dunyain just stumble into this secret fortress in the first place. Apparently it didn't even take that much time, since Kellhus' first downy ancestor was still a child when it happened.

I'm guessing there were multiple times when the gig was up and some duny was sent out to clean up the mess, but until around Moe's time the dunyain just weren't so OP.

Or the gods did it, dunno.

[Anonymous No.17629861]

>>17629828
Ahhh alright. Probably no human sorcerers near Ishual but maybe he ran into a Nonman the way Kellhus ran into Mekeritrig.
What I don't get is, regardless what Moenghus witnessed that caused his banishment, why does he reiterate a few times "what comes after cannot determine what comes before" when he's seen and done sorcery? That statement and belief contradicts even knowing about sorcery, let alone doing it oneself.
Also why didn't the Dunyain kill Moenghus once they discovered he was tainted? Letting him go was a really risky move.
>>17629838
It's behind a glacier bro. At least that's the reason given. And it makes sense. The Dunyain probably keep their population almost constant, they're in the middle of inhospitable mountains that nobody can farm, and they're deeper in sranc territory than the farthest human outpost. Easy suspension of disbelief.

[Anonymous No.17629869]

>>17629861
Yeah but the Dunyain managed to find it in the first place and they weren't supermen yet >>17629860

[Anonymous No.17629890]

>>17629861
>Also why didn't the Dunyain kill Moenghus once they discovered he was tainted? Letting him go was a really risky move.
Moe never outed them, neither did Kel. The Dunyain must've reasoned that no Dunyain would betray their mission.

[Anonymous No.17629901]

>>17629779
get on it

[Anonymous No.17629919]

>>17629869
plenty of potential reasons for that.

They knew someone who built it/in the royal family, they followed the royal family, they had a vision

[Anonymous No.17629920]

>>17629664
>Damon
Sounds niggerish desu

[Anonymous No.17629930]

>>17629920
https://youtu.be/TzaVd6zl2bA?t=62

[Anonymous No.17629946]

>>17629919
>knew someone
I doubt they had many outside friends, much less connections to the super-secret government bunker.

>they followed the royal family
The royal family had been there for a long enough time for them to die of disease.

>they had a vision
Strongest possibility imo

[Anonymous No.17629962]

>>17629901
Fuck no, only weirdos and degenerates create and moderate Discord chats.

[Anonymous No.17629964]

>>17629462
The Great Faggotini

[Anonymous No.17629972]

>>17629930
I got the reference
>>17629964
Sounds Italian. How cosmically horrific!

[Anonymous No.17629988]

>>17629462
https://youtu.be/G2nTbqbtGug?t=81

[Anonymous No.17630018]

>>17629946
Having a vision would discredit their entire philosophy.
Following the royal family makes sense to me. Shit Kellhus knows one of the interlopers under the tree in Kyudea is Cnaiur from his heartbeat, and he's dozens, probably hundreds, of feet away through corridors and shit and he can hear it. I know the ancient Dunyain are nowhere near his abilities but it makes sense that if they were say Sherlock Holmes compared to the average person's retard, they were able to find a subtle forest track, ordinary to the ordinary observer, that to them obviously leads to some fortress or other great place.

[Anonymous No.17630172]

>>17630018
>Having a vision would discredit their entire philosophy.
They must've suppressed knowledge of sorcery and other supernatural stuff wether they had sorcerers in their midst or not. Why they did it is up in the air but we know for sure they did.

I don't know why they suppressed knowledge of sorcery, nonmen, Sranc, etc; we can only speculate. Maybe they just thought the tiny bubble they built for themselves was easier to condition.

[Anonymous No.17630342]

>>17630172
Yeah I see that they could do that, but *why* did they do that? From the outset the original group knew that what comes before does not necessarily determine what comes after. Why build their entire philosophy and program in which the main axiom is a lie? If the original group wanted to grasp the Absolute they would have known they can't do it by ignoring sorcery. Maybe they had another hidden, uninherited motive than grasping the Absolute, or maybe they had another motive entirely and it was corrupted somehow over time.

[Anonymous No.17630433]

>>17630342
I suspect one or more gods had something to do with it.

I have a theory that Ajokli tricked the Anasurimbor king with that Gilgaol vision to prime Seswatha and by extension the Mandate to accept Kelhus as their lord and savior. And he led the Dunyain to Ishual and instructed them somehow so that the Anasurimbor boy would produce descendants that were intelectually and physically mighty but spiritually weak. Kelhus was meant to be the perfect avatar; the Anasurimbor prophecy and the Dunyain were necessary to produce him and set the scene for him. If I'm not misremembering, Gilgaol in the vision is described as having four horns which is Ajokli's mark.