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Anonymous Mon Feb 22 23:53:50 2021 No.17622455 [Reply] [Original]

Why have picture books become resigned to children's literature? Why hasn't anyone made a collection of photos or painting that convey as complex of a story as the great works of literature do through writing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 22 23:55:40 2021 No.17622462 >>17622455 >Why hasn't anyone made a collection of photos or painting that convey as complex of a story as the great works of literature do through writing? That's manga

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 22 23:57:13 2021 No.17622470 >>17622462 I mean without any words. Viewers would simply be asked to stare at every page for 10 seconds and draw the narrative lines themselves

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 00:00:16 2021 No.17622477 File: 1.84 MB, 202x360, 1609762801083.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17622462 >Gustave Dore? >Oh I know him! He illustrated the manga, The Divine Comedy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 00:00:59 2021 No.17622482 Why tell a story using one of the senses when you can use all five?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 00:03:55 2021 No.17622493 >>17622482 Why rely on sensory organs when you can download and run an aesthetic package program through your brain-to-internet interface

Anonymous Tue Feb 23 00:05:10 2021 No.17622499

>>17622455
Because publishers have become lazy and complacent. Also, because its expensive to commission art work but relatively cheap to publish a book, and while the bookbinders of the past were mostly trained jewelers and woodcutters who could create a woodblock print fairly quickly most publishers today are risk-averse marketing graduates

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 00:06:45 2021 No.17622501 >>17622493 because I don't have the second thing you said yet

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 00:09:31 2021 No.17622510 >>17622470 This is a weird restriction to place on things. Most if not all of the great works of literature you mentioned include dialogue. You might as well ask why there aren't more novels with absolutely no dialogue.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 00:18:20 2021 No.17622563 >>17622455 You mean movies?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 00:27:01 2021 No.17622608 >>17622455 sorry i dont talk to pedo cumbrains

Anonymous Tue Feb 23 00:40:25 2021 No.17622685

>>17622470
>>17622510
some parts of BLAME! are like this. the best parts. the actual narrative is boring but the little self-contained forks with little to no explanation and minimal dialogue are great.

i see what you mean but i'm not sure it's possible to make anything complex. it would be very fun to 'read'. maybe you could make it complex but not in the same was as literature, more the emotional and aesthetic depth of images carefully guiding the 'reader', not much intellectual content.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 01:52:15 2021 No.17622993 thomas ott's number, cinema panopticum and rip are basically that. theyre great if you like monkeys paw/twilight zone type stuff

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 02:17:00 2021 No.17623080 >>17622685 >>17622993 Thanks I'll check these out

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 05:35:19 2021 No.17623682 File: 481 KB, 1557x927, 3e2ed75231657bd0d2c4b97024f15493.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17622470 Yeah. That's manga

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 06:17:21 2021 No.17623802 >>17623682 Gon is fantastic!!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 11:54:21 2021 No.17625462 Check out Andrei Klimowski's picture novels The Secret and The Depository. No words, just one drawing on each page.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 11:58:23 2021 No.17625491 >>17622455 La Jetee by Chris Marker is close to this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 12:01:10 2021 No.17625511 >>17622477 This. Gustave Dore is kino.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 12:02:10 2021 No.17625518 File: 245 KB, 355x449, Screenshot_2021-02-23 lynd ward – Recherche Google.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17622455 >>17622470 What you're asking is exactly Lynd Ward's entire body of work. Pic related.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 12:03:47 2021 No.17625527 >>17622470 Oh, I see. Fuck off then

Anonymous Tue Feb 23 12:05:18 2021 No.17625535

>>17625518
Forgot to mention Ward's speciality is wood engraving. Everyone associates graphic novels with comics, but Ward made some of the best graphic novels ever, all engraved in wood.
Eisner (the guy who popularized the term graphic novel) said Ward is the most fascinating visual story teller of the 20th century, and I tend to agree.

Anonymous Tue Feb 23 12:15:15 2021 No.17625622

>>17625518

It'd be great if his books didn't cost hundreds of dollars each due to being out of print for a hundred years. I actually draw graphic novels and have a huge collection, and I've read rare books like an original copy of Rudolphe Toppfer's 'L'histoire de Monsieur Veux Boix', Milt Grossman's 'He Done her Wrong', and the original copies of Art Spiegelman's 'RAW' magazine. And I still have never even seen a copy of any book by Lynd Ward. If I'm being retarded, please help.

Anonymous Tue Feb 23 12:19:04 2021 No.17625655

>>17625622
Honestly I can't help you much. I only know of Ward because my dad bought me a French reedition of some of his works that just came out this Christmas (my dad as great /lit/ taste, he even bought a book of Transtömer's poetry years before he got the Nobel). I don't want to check the price because it's a gift, but it's probably above 100 bucks. Name of the reedition is 'L'Eclaireur' if you want to check it out.

I'm surprised there are no reeditions in English. I mean the man was still alive and working in the 60s, it's not like his works are ancient manuscripts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 12:20:53 2021 No.17625673 >>17625655 >L'Eclaireur Nice. Thanks for the information.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 12:56:19 2021 No.17626017 >>17622455 literature is in shit place right now and sadly very small percentage of writers can illustrate. It was easier in times of polymaths. BUT! The works of Shaun Tan for example are very much designated for adults, than children.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 15:54:23 2021 No.17627344 It is kinda strange when you think about it. Or maybe not artwork is held in such high value that a piece can sell for hundreds of thousands, but is also held in such low value that its viewed as solely for children when in a book hmmmm

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 15:56:01 2021 No.17627358 >>17625518 Sweet I'll check this out

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 15:58:49 2021 No.17627375 they're called graphic novels you fucking faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 15:59:31 2021 No.17627380 >>17622455 I would suggest Max Ernst's Une Semaine de Bonte.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 16:03:33 2021 No.17627409 >>17622470 There are such books, it is an entire genre even. I can recommend The Arrival by Shaun Tan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 16:07:14 2021 No.17627438 >>17622455 Codex seraphinianus?

Anonymous Tue Feb 23 16:07:23 2021 No.17627442

>>17627344
Some reddit fag made an interesting video that touches on this. He claims that sci-fi books were allowed to have way more abstract and avant-garde art on their covers than other genres during the pocket book era because of their underground
status. here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Qm_UJML54

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 16:11:06 2021 No.17627470 Probably because books are a commodity, and it's much cheaper to print out text than pictures. The logical conclusion is ASCII art.

Anonymous Tue Feb 23 16:30:13 2021 No.17627607
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>>17622470
>>17622685
Yeah I mean it need to be a very different kind of narrative I guess. A few things that come to mind:

>Thomas Cole's series of paintings The Course of Empire (gif related)
He also did a similar series called Voyage of Life

>Passionate Journey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passionate_Journey
the artist did a few other works like this. I remember seeing a modern reprinting of The Sun in bookstores years ago

>"Sshhhh!" by Jason
A collection or wordless comics by the Norwegian cartoonist Jason. There are many other wordless comics of course, but this one comes to mind as having "literary" merit. Maybe also Moebius's comic Arzach serialized in Metal Hurlant iirc that is wordless too.

Anonymous Tue Feb 23 16:45:21 2021 No.17627706
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>>17622455
The work of José Guadalupe Posada was pretty great, you can find most of his stuff online.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 16:47:15 2021 No.17627719 File: 1.11 MB, 1770x1298, A group of people attacking a giant snail - The Metropolitan Museum of Art.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17627706

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 17:58:32 2021 No.17628237 File: 408 KB, 1364x1811, The Arrival.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17622455 Try this OP

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 18:07:13 2021 No.17628294 File: 12 KB, 185x273, loving vincent.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Also this

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 18:09:11 2021 No.17628307 There are lots of wordless comics and manga

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 18:10:49 2021 No.17628326 File: 1.86 MB, 360x640, Namio Harukawa-Garden of Dominia.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Finally, a picture book for adults!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 20:00:58 2021 No.17629324 >>17628326 In case anyone is wondering, the author's name is Imogene D'Schmel

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 21:56:49 2021 No.17630039 >>17628326 Scans?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 23 21:59:19 2021 No.17630061 >>17628326 Facesittings are Forever by Namio Harukawa btw

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 24 03:02:28 2021 No.17631502 >>17622470 Gon (manga)

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 24 03:53:23 2021 No.17631728 >>17622455 That's just a movie anon.

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