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[Anonymous No.17621915]

Are they the peak of right-wing philosophy? Does it get better than them?

[Anonymous No.17621923]

I guess by contemporary standards you could start lumping in just about most authors before 1960 as right wing.

[Anonymous No.17621931]

>>17621915
Heidegger is probably the single most important philosopher for this sort of right in modern day.

[Anonymous No.17621939]

>>17621931
Also, De Maistre, Burke, Jünger (not a philosopher, I know but was a philosophically inspired author).

[Anonymous No.17621944]

>'right wing philosophy'

[Anonymous No.17621978]

>>17621944
>reaction image shitpost instead of an argument
you have to be 18 to post here kid

[Anonymous No.17621980]

>>17621915
Heidegger trounces the first two and is better than Spengler, but Spengler ain't that bad. Carl Schmitt, Leo Strauss, and Alasdair MacIntyre are more interesting thinkers imo.

[Anonymous No.17621984]

>>17621915
A lot of these authors strike me as post modernist garbage. Quite telling that Heidegger, being a proto post modernist, is the 'single most important philosopher of the modern right'. Is this the power of right wing philosophy? Surely not.

[Anonymous No.17621994]

Why do I find these writers so interesting, and why am I so bored by leftist writers?

[Anonymous No.17621997]

>>17621984
Right wingers are inherently postmodern because their ideology relies on rejecting grand narratives like science and materialism to work

[Anonymous No.17621998]

>>17621994
Probably going through a phase in your life.

[Anonymous No.17622020]

>>17621994
It could be because you find right wing philosophy more invigorating, as someone who I imagine agrees with right wing philosophy (correct me if I'm making a false assumption), perhaps you feel as though you can do more with the ideas you find in right wing philosophy. Or maybe you just don't like the specific left wing philosophers you've read.

[Anonymous No.17622036]

>>17621994
Easier to be "interesting" when you make shit up (like claiming magic is real)
You'll grow out of it when you get older and get a job

[Anonymous No.17622167]

>>17621984
Rightism is based on the principle of power over truth. There is no locus, not set of propositions that entails this genre of thought other than power through any means necessary. So naturally they can be considered to be a branch of post-modernism but they are too proud to admit it themselves.

[Anonymous No.17622170]

>>17621915
Lovecraft

[Anonymous No.17622224]

>>17621915
Take out Guenon and put in Heidegger and de Maistre and you got it.

[Anonymous No.17622233]

>>17621984
What are you even trying to imply? Quit hiding behind vague insults and unleash your criticism. This reply doesn’t even say anything as is.

[Anonymous No.17622237]

>>17622036
kek

[Anonymous No.17622253]

>>17621994
You live in the most “leftist” period of human and also the least satisfying and most boring period in human history. That should make it clear to you why you are bored by leftist writers.

[Anonymous No.17622269]

>>17622036
Never! I'm going to be a right-wing Traditionalist wizard FOREVEEEEEERRR!!!!

[Anonymous No.17622273]

>>17621915
What the fuck. No.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/conservatism/

[Anonymous No.17622277]

>>17621944
>'left wing philosophy'

[Anonymous No.17622289]

>>17622036
More like people get older and realize what an absolute disaster modern life is and come to realize the value of things like religion ie the supernatural. I would say you’d get it someday but you probably won’t.

[Anonymous No.17622312]

>>17622289
No that's just the schizophrenia kicking in

[Anonymous No.17622320]

>>17621944
>>17621984
>>17621997
Almost every single philosopher prior around 1950 is right ring. The Greeks are far right by today's standards and would scoff at your lefty twit garbage. Even lefties philosophers like Marx, who is a philosopher as well as an economist, would have wanted the average modern lefty shot. Stalin would have had every single 21st century commie shot. Homosexuality, transgenderism, lgbt, multi racialism, that has been considered abhorrent by almost every great thinker in history.

[Anonymous No.17622333]

>>17622289
>be 50 y/o old fart
>"oh shit I'm gonna die"
>"what if hell is actually real oh shit oh fuck"
>"let's see what's the most popular religion so I don't fuck up uhhhh uhhh that's it I'm Catholic now!"
>"ahhh now I feel calm again, hope I didn't pick the wrong translation, interpretation and church of meme religious book #9284934 and accidentally go to hell!!!"
This is the reason behind every single late convert. Nothing to do with "muh modernity".

[Anonymous No.17622347]

>>17622333
Says who? You, a faggot?

[Anonymous No.17622350]

>>17622320
Furthermore, Marx and other left wing thinkers of the time viewed the non-white races, particularly the dark African races, as inherently inferior to Europeans.

[Anonymous No.17622355]

>>17622347
No, it's common sense. The only reason Christianity and other similar religions are popular is because of hell, nothing more. No one actually loves a psychopath God that will send you and your loved ones to eternal suffering if you don't behave, it's pure cope and Stockholm Syndrome.

[Anonymous No.17622374]

>>17622355
No, it's definitely you being a fag. You currently have 50% of your anus occupied by a foreign object.

[Anonymous No.17622384]

>>17621994
In all seriousness, it's because rightists generally possess a Weltanschauung that rises above bland utilitarianism and humanism. That is really it. After my own introspection, I found out that those two traits were the prime reasons for my disdain of leftism, even revolutionary leftism (which has radical plans, but is ultimately just as devoid of any real spirit as all of the other types of leftism). Any right wing philosophy which does not breach those thought-barriers just mentioned tends to be a facile conservatism of the neoconservative type, generally speaking. Nationalist thought has some initial appeal, because it is new and revolutionary, but once all of it has come to fruition in practice, it ends in the same sterility as revolutionary leftism, unless you're able to usher in a permanent state of war and struggle between nations, which is what the Nazis ultimately desired.

[Anonymous No.17622403]

>>17622289
I doubt most adults hark back to monke mentality. In most cases they realize that reality itself, old or new, is a disaster and there's no point regressing. Otherwise they would have done it already considering most institutions are owned by the old.

[Anonymous No.17622409]

>>17622403
You’re right they don’t because most adults are stupid and lacking in nuance enough to equate it to back to monke mentality like an idiot. At least, most of the adults were talking about here anyway.

[Anonymous No.17622414]

>>17621915
Cioran is the final, logical conclusion of right wing thought, as defined by that which embraces natural law. Cioran was a far right youth, until he saw through it, and into the void beyond the political.
A leftist cannot do this. They go insane and suicide instead.

[Anonymous No.17622416]

Is Guenon even inherently right wing?
I feel he is ideologically flexible.

[Anonymous No.17622419]

>>17622289
>More like people get older and realize what an absolute disaster modern life is and come to realize the value of things like religion ie the supernatural.
Cope, they just take the grillpill and assume a vaguely conservative position to pretend they still care about politics, and some of them get into religion because its comfy

[Anonymous No.17622424]

>>17621994
I’m right wing but I don’t find left wing philosophers boring at all. Unless they are cucks like Chomsky, but solid postmodern and Marxists thinkers I like and even find myself agreeing with.

[Anonymous No.17622426]

>>17621915
Spengler is a genuinely good thinker. The other two are mostly memes. Labeling them right-wing is slanderous tho, that way of thinking by design retards you.

[Anonymous No.17622431]

>>17622320
Based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.17622449]

>>17622384
>that rises above bland utilitarianism and humanism
Based. This is the crux of the issue

[Anonymous No.17622450]

Pic really do said what, right?

[Anonymous No.17622459]

>>17621994
>>17622384
I think the true sterility is in the worship of money. The reason both leftists and many modern rightists are so stale is they're merely reflections of the same sterilized materialism, a worship of the dialectic of matter, mostly in the form of money. Libertarians themselves often hold the same nihilistic beliefs concerning politics, they simply reframe the Marxist notions into the social forces of the abstract "state" and "liberty."
It's natural that most rightists become religious over time, for this reason. Notice, regardless if they reject their nation's traditional religion, they will pick up some religious and mystical beliefs.
And the base Evangelicalism isn't cutting it, the same one that passively lets Republicans and their European counterparts continue in their worship and exaltation of money (in the form of fiscal necessities over social ones). The modern evangelical church that's "socially conservative" is itself fatalist and mostly believes it's unable to change anything as far as society is concerned, and it should merely let the culture rot. Just look at any mainstream Christian apologist and they'll be the first to speak on behalf of Enlightenment allowances as far as the state and culture exist.
What this new generation wants is something holistic (as in, something that looks at the whole), even if they accept mere evangelical Christianity or standard Catholicism as the truth.

[Anonymous No.17622481]

>>17621980
where should I start with Strauss and Schmitt?

[Anonymous No.17622498]

>>17622459
>I think the true sterility is in the worship of money.
Worship of money per se is not a leftist trait though, at least not explicitly. One of the ideals of communism is the abolishment of currency. Worship of money has more to do with the neoconservatives I mentioned, who, at least openly, still profess to serve the typical causes of post-Enlightenment thought (increasing standards of living, etc.), yet it's pretty obvious they are still just simple money-idolaters trying to hold onto their position and wealth at the top of the current hierarchy for as long as they can.

[Anonymous No.17622556]

>>17622498
>One of the ideals of communism is the abolishment of currency
Not all leftism is communism. But Marxists do worship money, in a fashion, because the concerns of what money represents is ultimately all they believe matters, because they ultimately worship material causes. Greater spiritual ethos is ultimately inconsequential.
The Marxist believes ultimately in an archetypal heaven, a classless society in a far flung future. He believes this not so much as an ideal, but as inevitable end to the dialectic, the consummation of the class struggle or whatever principle in history. It's really not too different than a Christian believing in Heaven and Hell, the ultimate end to the dialectic of the world, the consummation of the religion of Christ in history.
But whereas the religionist worships an invisible God as the end and the beginning, the Marxist worships the visible matter and its conditions as the end and the beginning, the only effectual matter to humanity.
This is why neoliberals, neoconservative capitalists, libertarians, and communists are really the same kind of thing. They quite symptomatically believe, even if unconsciously, that what matters is only material. They may have some secondary spirituality, but unless they've merely abandoned any political idealism, the values are ultimately null as a holistic concept.

[Anonymous No.17622559]

>>17622416
Traditionalism does have a few left-wing writers. Look up Marty Glass and Charles Upton.

[Anonymous No.17622600]

>>17622289
This is true but not for the reason you think. Evola's magical thinking and fascist vitalism are just bandaids over an absence of true spirituality. I think it's very telling that very many rightists are anti Christian. They in fact buy into modernism and futurism which requires a rejection of real spirituality.

[Anonymous No.17622609]

>>17622320
>going so far right your start horseshoing and saying Marx and Stalin are right wing
lmao

[Anonymous No.17622617]

>>17622333
>late convert.
Thats beside the point. Young people are turning to religion and spirituality. And i'm not referring exclusively to the tradcath zoomers.

[Anonymous No.17622619]

>>17622600
>I'm very spiritual
>akshually you don't have true spirituality
>no YOURE not truly spiritual
See why normal people don't buy into your spirituality cult?

[Anonymous No.17622625]

>>17622617
No they aren't, they're buying commodified spirituality like if they were buying clothes. It's entirely aesthetic. Please stop coping and see reality for what it is. There's no such thing as spirituality anymore and there will never be, just McChristianity, McBuddhism, McOccultism, etc. It's over.

[Anonymous No.17622628]

>>17622619
Vitalism literally isnt spirituality

[Anonymous No.17622630]

>>17621984
Is... is this an attempt to turn the tables on low iq rightoids being angry about postmodernism? Because it was not well executed

[Anonymous No.17622631]

>>17622036
Magic is real

[Anonymous No.17622646]

>>17622609
By today's standards, relative to the modern left and the average Liberal, Marx and Stalin are absolutely reactionaries when it comes to cultural and moral sentiment. You think Stalin would let some trannies and faggot in gimp suits March down the red square waving commie flags like you guys do today? Get real, you'd get a bullet in your head in no time.

[Anonymous No.17622648]

>>17622625
I am always amazed at the hoops the likes of you will jump through to deny that other people have sincere spiritual experiences.

[Anonymous No.17622658]

>>17622625
>they're buying commodified spirituality like if they were buying clothes. I
That's only your opinion, because you believe spirituality is without substance, which says more about yourself than about the people you claim to understand. You can't imagine authentic commitments and principles which go beyond self-interest.
>>17622648
It's genuine projection.

[Anonymous No.17622660]

Even Che thought gays and blacks were disgusting and subhuman. Marx even insulted people as niggers in his letters. Marx also agreed with the "anti-semitic stereotypes" about Jews that are held by the far right today.

[Anonymous No.17622664]

>>17621994
Soul vs soulless. It's only when you mature as a rightist that you start to appreciate people like Marx; meanwhile, you can read rightist philosophers and if you can understand them, it's like a real-life fantasy novel.

[Anonymous No.17622691]

>>17622600
I thought they're anti-Christian because they're perennialists, and Christianity is hostile to other religions

[Anonymous No.17622692]

>>17622648
I know, right? They just hand wave it away by saying ascetics and spiritual people are sexually repressed, starting with Freud.

[Anonymous No.17622705]

>>17622658
>because you believe spirituality is without substance, which says more about yourself than about the people you claim to understand. You can't imagine authentic commitments and principles which go beyond self-interest.
That's only your opinion because you willingly reject science since it refutes all spirituality as pure BS and psychological and neuroscientific studies prove the harms of religion and other irrational beliefs.

[Anonymous No.17622708]

>>17622498
>per se

[Anonymous No.17622711]

>>17622691
Maybe in the more intelligent ones. If you browse /pol/ the anti christians will mention Nietzsche, slave morality, might makes right, the will to power and other shit. It really is a form of modernism

[Anonymous No.17622716]

>>17622705
4/10 b8

[Anonymous No.17622723]

>>17622705
And we see the true colours emerging.
>>17622708
And? It means in itself, leftists do not worship money in itself. What's the problem?

[Anonymous No.17622724]

>>17621939
>Burke
>Junger
They feel pretty different from OP's. Burke's conservatism is really a cautious progressivism. And Junger is very individualistic, specially latter on.

[Anonymous No.17622729]

>>17622692
It's quite fitting for how they see the world, as an ultimately vacuous and material place. The materialist assumes that the minds of all men must be alike to his, and thus this interruption of the worship of matter must be based on psychological conflict with the physical.
Notice, where as religious thinkers tend to ascribe projections to the soul and mind (pride), the material thinker ascribes fault to disruption of flesh (sex).

[Anonymous No.17622735]

>>17622036
magic is more real than real life

[Anonymous No.17622744]

>>17622646
>right v left is defined by attitude toward homosexuals
I can smell your dumpy khaki shorts from here

[Anonymous No.17622758]

>>17622716
I'm sorry but further advances in physics and neuroscience will make spiritualism completely obsolete. It already is causing enough cognitive dissonance that some of the retards here are denying science altogether, since they can't reconcile extreme political ideologies and religiosity with facts based on empirical evidence. I suggest you stop coping and start affirming life instead of filling your heads with delusions. A person that suddenly came out and said that he's a messenger of God and wrote a huge book explaining all the history of the universe hitherto would rightfully be diagnosed as schizophrenic and put on a fucking mental ward, because that's all spirituality fundamentally is; delusion. It's a thing of the past. Something we need to move forward from. All great minds of the past struggled with religion, and the natural conclusion that came from it is that it just isn't real. I don't care that humans are "naturally inclined to religious thought" or whatever shady study you'll pull up (science is real when it confirms my views! ), you might as well say we're naturally inclined to rape and violence, this doesn't make it good and it isn't a valid argument, it's an appeal to nature. I wouldn't even care this much about religion if so many of them didn't have very hateful and harmful shit embedded in them. Even modern Christians acknowledge this and have become more progressive. If you're gonna delude yourself at least do it with something that won't harm others or yourself.

[Anonymous No.17622766]

17622758
2/10 b8
Getting more desperate each post. No more (You)s

[Anonymous No.17622771]

>>17622766
>everything I disagree with is bait
So this is the logical conclusion of spiritual delusion? Just a complete rejection of anything that contradicts your views?

[Anonymous No.17622777]

>>17622758
seethe

[Anonymous No.17622780]

>>17622744
Strawman, fat boy.

[Anonymous No.17622785]

>>17622777
Your continuous rejection of reality and progress is a 24/7 seethe anon, it's really bad for you health.

[Anonymous No.17622790]

>>17622758

[Anonymous No.17622798]

>>17622758
>spiritualism completely obsolete
But it's a goal in itself to some people. You might also say that beauty or love or even pleasure will be obsolete because you can obviously construe working systems without them. The question is wether you'd want to. And these wants follow from our evolution, are embodied in each and every one of us, in different degrees and combinations. They aren't rational; reason is but a tool we have to act on these motivations.

I'm not much of a spiritual person but I do like entertain my curiosity with mysteries and the limits of rationality provide us with an infinite supply of these.

[Anonymous No.17622799]

>>17622785
Your seething on a gook underwater basketweaving imageboard isn't any better.

[Anonymous No.17622816]

>>17622758
>I'm sorry but further advances in physics and neuroscience will make spiritualism completely obsolete.
Call me back when it does. Daily reminder that materialism was made obsolete by Newton discovering invisible forces which materialists could not figure into their atomistic worldview.

[Anonymous No.17622835]

>>17622320
>Greeks are far right
>The terms left and right first appeared since the French Revolution
Are you stupid anon?

[Anonymous No.17622868]

>>17622835
Relative to the poltical/philosophical reference frame created during the enlightenment, the Greeks and Romans can probably be considered reactionaries. Which obviously doesn't fit in the left-right paradigm established by enlightenment thinkers. Greeks and Romans didn't believe in equality of man or any of that crap. There is a section of the modern right that is squarely in that tradition or sympathetic to it.

[Anonymous No.17622961]

>>17622617
If anything secularism is on the rise. The west is moving away from Christianity.

[Anonymous No.17622983]

>>17622961
>he doesn't know what the second religiousness is

[Anonymous No.17622984]

>>17622758
Extremely based

[Anonymous No.17623017]

>>17622961
You're mistaken, very much so. You're right that secularism is on the rise, but religiosity and the irrational drive of it hasn't vanished, it has been transfered from Christianity to secularism. To cultural war issues like LGBT, anti-racism, trans-rights, scientism, etc. This new landscape has its own religious symbology and structure. It's own original sin, priests, martyrs, heretics, and eschatology. The George Floyd riots were a religious event, with witch hunting and religious fervour. It was a total display of religious fanaticism like at Salem or during the Inquisition. The religious instinct in humans is never going to go away, even if you replace religion. Maybe the only way you're going to get rid of it is by fusing men with machines and permanently alternating what it means to be human.

[Anonymous No.17623031]

>>17623017
It would also argue that conspiracy theories and conspiracy culture is also part of religiosity. Rabid paranoia of persecution and so on is again very Christian.

[Anonymous No.17623040]

>>17621915
Putting Spengler together with those clowns and not a Junger or Schmitt.

Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.17623046]

>>17622167
I wonder in what kind of fantasy world yoy life in?

[Anonymous No.17623048]

>>17623040
Spengler is arguably the clown out of the two of them

[Anonymous No.17623070]

>>17622758
Sigh, you dont understand science, you dont understand math or logic. You are just a boy.

[Anonymous No.17623075]

>>17622961
Christianity peaked in influence last century when Europe switched to democracies and has only been declining this last decade.

Look up the christendemocrats if you dont belief me.

[Anonymous No.17623078]

>>17623048
Yes mate not the loopy occultists, but the metaphysical historian with his the deep appreciation of human culture is the clown. Lol

[Anonymous No.17623166]

>>17623078
>metaphysical historian
You're flattering him. Spengler was called an irrationalist for a reason: Because he was irrational.

[Anonymous No.17623167]

>>17621915
Please stop trying to cram everything into your marlvel vs capcom world view, fucking brainlet.

[Anonymous No.17623185]

>muh right-left wunf dichotomy
It's like a mental illness and seemingly everyone is suffering from it.