Alternatives on these and Aristotle

[Anonymous No.17621080]

I’m going thru the Greeks. I usually read my books n the way to the office or when going on trips. Complete works on Plato and Aristotle seem way too impractical to fit into my lifestyle. Which individual works(and in which order) should I get?
Money is not really an issue, but I’m not a COOMSOOMER so I want to know which works I should prioritize.
I saw some guides but they were from Reddit and Goodreads and I don’t trust them.

[Anonymous No.17621093]

>>17621080
>Aristotle
>impractical

Kys

[Anonymous No.17621100]

>reading greek bugs instead of homer and the playwrights
well we can't all not be pseuds i suppose

[Anonymous No.17621110]

>>17621093
I meant the Complete Editions. I wanted a reading order for the individual works.

[Anonymous No.17621163]

>>17621080
>Which individual works(and in which order) should I get?

Here's how I would structure my reading:

>Aporetic dialogues / Shorter Ethical Works:
>Euthyphro, Charmides, Laches, Hippias Major, Hippias Minor

>Dialogues about the life and death of Socrates
>Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phaedo

>Dialogues which feature sophists (Plato's great enemy)
>Gorgias, Protagoras, Euthydemus

>Dialogues on Love
>Symposium, Phaedrus

>Plato on metaphysical division (and other stuff)
>Theaetetus, Sophist, Statesman

>Plato on the creation of reality and its structure
>Timaeus, Parmenides

[Anonymous No.17621173]

>>17621163

The Republic should be in there somewhere, but that goes without saying.

[Anonymous No.17621178]

>>17621080

[Anonymous No.17621273]

>>17621163
>>17621178
thanks anons

>>17621173
got it

[Anonymous No.17621280]

>>17621080
I should only speak on Plato. Most people start with either Penguin's "Last Days of Socrates" or Hackett's "Five Dialogues of Plato." Both are good entry-points, but I think Hackett is both more technically accurate and accessible, strange as the combination may seem. Your pic related is Hackett, and is the new academic standard.

The flavor of Socrates' elenchus is contained within the "Euthyphro," a short dialogue that is easily digestible and widely accepted as a starting-point. Then, the "Apology" is commonly recommended. I might advise against reading the "Apology" early only because it's so rich that it demands multiple re-readings (after one grows in familiarity with the corpus), but is DECEPTIVELY straightforward. Hell, almost all dialogues demand re-readings, except for stuff like "Euthyphro."

The height of his dramatic skill is obviously displayed in the "Symposium" and the "Republic." Almost all of Plato deserves to be read, and read multiple times with close attention. The breadth and depth of his thought can never be overestimated.

>>17621178
>Symposium
>a definite date w/ month and year
LMAO — the creator of that image has obviously never thought much about the dramatic framework of the dialogue, which is full of anachronistic impossibilities.Also, I shiggy-diggy suggesting one should start with the Parmenides and Protagoras. That is pants-on-head retarded.

[Anonymous No.17621302]

Good literal translation, good interpretive essay, respects the material unlike many:

https://www.amazon.com/Republic-Plato-Allan-Bloom/dp/0465094082/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=platos+republic&qid=1614044798&sr=8-6

Good literal translation, good classicist, respects the material unlike many:

https://www.amazon.com/Aristotles-Nicomachean-Ethics-Philosophical-Library/dp/1585100358/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=Aristotle+joe+sachs&qid=1614044830&sr=8-2

https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Focus-Philosophical-Library-Aristotle/dp/1585103764/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=Aristotle+joe+sachs&qid=1614044859&sr=8-4

[Anonymous No.17621310]

>>17621080

Do like the Neoplatonists did.

[Anonymous No.17621328]

>>17621302
To attempt to answer the other question, which is the order, I am not really sure. You need more Plato than this for sure, Gorgias is a key dialogue, also I should have added:

https://www.amazon.com/Aristotles-Metaphysics-Aristotle/dp/1888009039/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=Aristotle+joe+sachs&qid=1614044859&sr=8-5

Also here's Gorgias:

https://www.amazon.com/Gorgias-Rhetoric-Focus-Philosophical-Library/dp/1585102997/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=Joe+sachs&qid=1614045056&sr=8-8

Joe Sachs also has a translation of the Republic, I think both him and Bloom are probably great choices:

https://www.amazon.com/Republic-Focus-Philosophical-Library-Plato/dp/158510261X/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=Joe+sachs&qid=1614045129&sr=8-2

Again I am not giving you any particular order but I do think I gave you some very solid key reads by some very solid translators who do good work in their field in general. They come at the works from the right perspective.

[Anonymous No.17621338]

>>17621280
>LMAO — the creator of that image has obviously never thought much about the dramatic framework of the dialogue, which is full of anachronistic impossibilities.Also, I shiggy-diggy suggesting one should start with the Parmenides and Protagoras. That is pants-on-head retarded.

Read these two books again.

[Anonymous No.17621342]

>>17621080
>Learning the true nature of the forms and of the Ultimate Form of the Good is impractical

[Anonymous No.17621412]

>>17621342
read the whole post

[Anonymous No.17621434]

>>17621080
My current plan for Aristotle (haven’t started yet): Organon, Physics, Nicomachean Ethics, Politics, Metaphysics. You could probably drop physics but I’m interested to have a look at it. The Basic Works of Aristotle includes all these in a thick but readable paperback, a couple of the writings are abridged but the major ones are complete.

[Anonymous No.17621512]

Since this is kind of part of the whole start with the greeks theme. I'm halfway thru this book, each time the author references one of the markers (F or T) I go to said market and read it and then I go back to the text and keep on reading it normally.
Is that fine or should I just read the main text and only when in doubt read the references?

[Anonymous No.17621555]

>>17621080
>Which individual works(and in which order) should I get?

[Anonymous No.17621665]

>>17621555
https://sci-hub.st/10.2307/23074778

[Anonymous No.17621813]

>>17621338
>the people of plato
what is this? is it good?

[Anonymous No.17621836]

>>17621080
>seem way too impractical to fit into my lifestyle.
if you are too lazy to read philosophy, just read greek politicsal theory like The Constitution of the Lacedemonians (Sparta) and Pericles' Funeral Oration, along with Plutarch's biographies

[Anonymous No.17621848]

>>17621836
you fuckers don't even read the whole post and call me lazy. I mean carrying a big ass book doesn't fit in "reading in a bus". I wanted the individual works that fit on handheld books rather than carrying a brick to work.

[Anonymous No.17621853]

>>17621813
>what is this? is it good?

Yeah. It has a few things, but the meat of the book is in the people. Each named character in Plato gets a detailed entry--almost all of them were real people.

Here's the entry for Plato's stepfather for a sample.

[Anonymous No.17621861]

>>17621848
just read pdfs on your phone then, retard

[Anonymous No.17621870]

>>17621080
The important Aristotle are Politics, Poetics, Metaphysics, Ethics

[Anonymous No.17621887]

>>17621512
are you retarded? You read the explanation and then you read the primary sources. If you want to do it super hardcore then you read the primary sources, then the explanation, then the primary sources again. I don’t see how you can be confused or how you could think it’s a good idea to interrupt the explanation to read a primary source and thus not understand either.