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17618663 No.17618663[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Realistically how can we salvage what’s left of academia and free ourselves from the tyranny of people like this.

>> No.17618725

>>17618663
could you provide the link? the headline sounds more like "why cancel culture is stupid" tbf.

>> No.17618738

>>17618725
nevermind i googled myself
www.nytimes com/2020/07/21/opinion/should-we-cancel-aristotle.html

>> No.17618739

>>17618663

Escape is the only solution. Gather upon yourself scholarship and peers. Collaborate together outside of academia.

>> No.17618742

>>17618663
we aren't under any tyranny you drama queen. Just read the fucking book it's still in print. the ideas will defend themselves.

>> No.17618751
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It's the end. We can only wish to preserve the ancient knowledge like medieval monks after the fall of the classical world.

>> No.17618755

>>17618725
>the headline sounds more like "why cancel culture is stupid" tbf.

That those who would try to militate against excess feel a need to couch their arguments in such radical language says much about our current predicament.

>> No.17618853

as i >>17618725 assumed, the author is literally defending not only him, but also all other philosophers

>When I read him, I see that view of the world — and that’s all. I do not read an evil intent or ulterior motive behind his words; I do not interpret them as a mark of his bad character, or as attempting to convey a dangerous message that I might need to combat or silence in order to protect the vulnerable. Of course in one sense it is hard to imagine a more dangerous idea than the one that he articulated and argued for — but dangerousness, I have been arguing, is less a matter of literal content than messaging context.

>> No.17618918

>>17618663
unironically by entering it. the "humanities are worthless degrees" STEMfagging unironically allows for this kind of bullshit by encouraging a wholesale retreat from these fields. you can't complain about the state of humanities scholarship while simultaneously ceding all the ground to your enemies

>> No.17618923

>>17618751
based benedict option poster

>> No.17618927

>>17618918
>Just change the system from the inside bro!
Nah doesn't work. One person can't combat huge societal forces by themselves. Going into the humanities only because you want to depoz it is setting yourself up for failure and misery.

>> No.17618932

>>17618751
canticle for leibowitz innit

>> No.17618956
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>>17618663
>Oh fuck bros they canceled Aristotle now I can't read Aristotle because I know other people won't be reading Aristotle

>> No.17618957

>>17618725
fpbp. Fuck OP for wasting everyone's time

>> No.17619011

>>17618663
Obvious first step is don't give them your money and go to college to subject yourself to this indoctrination. Ideally, university bursars will cut their funding as they slip into ever greater irrelevance. The humanities have taken cut after cut as it is. Although such people are impervious to reason, argue with them if you can. Always be reasonable, they cannot respond to it on intellectually respectable terms but only on an emotional basis. Raise the banner of the classics and keep reading and defending them.

It's not much but there is not much any one individual can do to stop ignorant people from being dumb.

>> No.17619014

>>17618927
>just surrender and retreat without a fight
great strategy napoleon

>> No.17619022

>people who get mad at clickbait headlines worried about the dumbing down of culture

>> No.17619028

D-DA W-WEFTITS ARE GOING T-TO C-WITICIWZE MY O-OWD PSEUDOINTEWECTUAL... N-NO!!!! I W-WAWNT T-TO THIWNK U-UNCRIWTICIAWWY!!!

if you think people criticizing old writers is a bad thing then you're just a retard flat out lmao

>> No.17619029

This is only especially prevalent in American-Anglo universities. The flowers of such tyranny are budding in other European universities but it remains to be seen if they will flower in full.

After having attended American university for a year and having concluded it was utter horseshit, I moved to study in a few different countries. The best thing you can do is move abroad, do well academically, gain citizenship, and become employed by some institution with the objective of securing academic liberties and thus containing the post-liberal disease in the Anglosphere. God willing, with enough tenacity, the freedom that you're allotted in another country will allow you to craft materials to elicit change at home

>> No.17619033

>>17618663
The only way to stop it now is to cancel women's suffrage and complete what Hitler started.

>> No.17619037
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>The Darul Uloom Deoband is an Islamic university in India at which the Sunni Deobandi Islamic movement began. It is located in Deoband, a town in Saharanpur district, Uttar Pradesh. The school was founded in 1866 by Muhammad Qasim Nanautavi. Mahmud Deobandi was the first teacher and Mahmud Hasan Deobandi was the first student.
>The school teaches manqulat (revealed Islamic sciences) according to the Hanafi school of Islamic jurisprudence.[citation needed] In this seminar, Nanawtawi instituted modern methods of learning such as teaching in classrooms, a fixed and carefully selected curriculum, lectures by academics who were leaders in their fields, exam periods, merit prizes, and a publishing press.[citation needed] Students were taught in Urdu, and sometimes in Arabic for theological reasons or Persian, for cultural and literary reasons. The curriculum is based on a highly modified version of the 18th century Indo-Islamic syllabus known as Dars-e-Nizami.[citation needed] The students learn the Quran and its exegesis; Hadith and its commentary; and juristic rulings with textual and rational proofs. They also study the biography of Muhammad, Arabic grammar, Arabic language and literature, and Persian language.[8]
>The syllabus consists of many stages. The five-year Nazirah (primary course) teaches Urdu, Persian, Hindi and English. The next level is the Hifze Quran. This involves the memorization of the Quran over two to four years. A few students will then choose Tajwid e Hafs (melodious recitation). The student is taught the detailed recitation rules of the Quran as laid down by Arbic Hafs. Still fewer will take up the next course, the Sab'ah and 'Asharah Qira'at (study of all the ten Quran recitations).
You could be studying Persian, Arabic, and Urdu at pic related or you can spend four years learning the importance of proper pronouns at a (((prestigious))) western university, the choice is yours

>> No.17619099

>>17619014
You know nothing about power if you think you can just "take over" the humanities. These people are organised, they have cliques, they hold institutional control and they control the flow of cash too. There's almost nothing you can do against an authority that is determined to retain its power. You would be better served making your own university.
>>17619028
People have interacted critically with Aristotle for thousands of years and it is only now that people are trying to "cancel" him, anon.
>>17619033
More women voted for Hitler than men btw.

>> No.17619103

>>17618918
Who's gonna give you grants? Who's gonna publish you?

>> No.17619109

>The Independent University of Moscow (IUM) (Russian: Heзaвиcимый Mocкoвcкий Унивepcитeт (HMУ)) is an educational organisation with rather informal status located in Moscow, Russia. It was founded in 1991 by a group of prominent Russian mathematicians that included Vladimir Arnold (chairman) and Sergei Novikov. The IUM consists of the departments of mathematics and theoretical physics and the post-graduate school. Anyone can attend lectures and seminars and become a student after passing three exams. The IUM is the only non-state college for the preparation of professional mathematicians in Russia[citation needed].
>IUM offers a free 5-year course of study (student has the right to reduce or increase the actual period of study, based on your personal needs and interests), and (since 1993), post-graduate courses. Classes are held in the evenings for the convenience of students of high schools.
>Education in the IUM is based on the following principles:
>There are no entrance exams.
>Any person can freely attend the classes.
>A non-resident student who successfully passes three exams, becomes a resident student of the university. A resident student must pass at least 3k - 3 courses to complete k-th semester.
>To graduate, the student must fulfill all the credits, both for the mandatory and elective courses, and defend a thesis.
Reminder that while you are busy clocking extra-curriculars and diversity credits to jump through the various hoops of bourgeoisie respectability at your anglo-american university, you could be getting a world class education for free in mother russia.

>> No.17619134

Lol you people are fucking retards, it's literally just a clickbait title

>> No.17619140

>>17618663
everybody in the past has morals that leftsist would consider worthy of "cancellation". If the values of transgender activist from the 90's are considered not progressive enough, than nobody who lived more than 20 years ago is safe

>> No.17619141

>>17618663
>save academia
honestly don't. We dont need it. We have the internet. If a philosopher is gonna change the game, they probably wont do it with the philosophy department.

>> No.17619143

>>17619099
>People have interacted critically with Aristotle for thousands of years and it is only now that people are trying to "cancel" him, anon.
Go read the fucking article, you inbred dipshit. Link is in the second post.

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>The French Foreign Legion (FFL; French: Légion étrangère, French pronunciation: [leʒjɔ̃ etʁɑ̃ʒɛʁ], L.É.) is a military service branch of the French Army established in 1831. Legionnaires are highly trained infantry soldiers and the Legion is unique in that it is open to foreign recruits willing to serve in the French Armed Forces. When it was founded, the French Foreign Legion was not unique; other foreign formations existed at the time in France.[8] The Foreign Legion is today known as a unit whose training focuses on traditional military skills and on its strong esprit de corps, as its men come from different countries with different cultures. Consequently, training is often described as not only physically challenging, but also very stressful psychologically. French citizenship may be applied for after three years' service.[9] The Legion is the only part of the French military that does not swear allegiance to France, but to the Foreign Legion itself.[10] Any soldier who gets wounded during a battle for France can immediately apply to be a French citizen under a provision known as "Français par le sang versé" ("French by spilled blood").[9] As of 2018, members came from 140 countries.
Why go to school at all? Life is so short, you should make the most of it.

>> No.17619170

Leftists need to get free helicopter trips.

>> No.17619178
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>>17619037
>>17619109
>>17619153
>Suicide is the act of intentionally causing one's own death.[9] Mental disorders (including depression, bipolar disorder, autism spectrum disorders, schizophrenia, personality disorders, anxiety disorders), physical disorders (such as chronic fatigue syndrome) and substance abuse (including alcoholism and the use of and withdrawal from benzodiazepines) are risk factors.[2][3][10][5]
>Some suicides are impulsive acts due to stress (such as from financial or academic difficulties), relationship problems (such as breakups or deaths of close ones), or harassment/bullying.[2][11][12] Those who have previously attempted suicide are at a higher risk for future attempts.[2]
Dude, why live at all?
Just fucking shoot yourself and get it over with.

>> No.17619189

>all the retards who can't read past headlines
we've been through this before. the author answers no to the question in the headline.

>> No.17619203

>>17619143
have sex seethecel

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>>17619189
Surprise surprise. You're average anon on 4channel is no different from your average dumbfuck redditor.

>> No.17619213

>>17618663
Ban women

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>>17619203
>faggot OP spreading deliberate misinformation/propaganda
Why the fuck wouldn't I be mad? This shit is fucking infuriating how you can rile up a mob of retards so easily by posting a headline disingenuously

>> No.17619260

>>17619236
Anon I am not OP I am the guy you called a retard and I haven't slept in over 30 hours. The sub-title of the article itself hints that the author does not want to cancel Aristotle, but it skipped my mind as I was replying to an actual retard making a bad argument in this thread.

>> No.17619280

>>17619260
Very well. My bad. I didn't read that guy's post. He's also retarded, but admittedly, less so than many others in this thread.

>> No.17619320

>>17618663
Idiot. That person is arguing FOR Aristotle. Check your IQ.

>> No.17619362

>>17619037
Based

>> No.17619488
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Who are some great African philosophers we can replace these Greek homos with, /lit/?

>> No.17619502

>>17619037
i don't read or worship texts by false prophets and pedophiles even if it makes me more worldly. fuck off

>> No.17619503

>>17619488
There's quite a lot, but they're arab, not black. I'd imagine most black philosophers today are Americans.

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>>17618663
>He defended slavery and opposed the notion of human equality
>But he is not our enemy

>> No.17619523

>>17619503
>replace the Greeks with Arabs
yeah no thanks mehmet. Take your saudi money elsewhere.

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>>17619503
Come on, stop playing. There’s got to be some philosopher-Kings out there to interrogate TPTB.

>> No.17619603

>>17619503
Arab philosophy is only reiterating Greek and Persian philosophy. I'm not one of those midwits who think that "originality" matters as a value in itself but any Islamic/Arabic knowledge worth studying i.e. that which is beyond mere Arab folk wisdom that's the same as folk wisdom everywhere, is literally the same Platonic-Aristoliean school as the Greeks or Christianity. Studying Arabic takes on Hellenic philosophy can offer us a different perspective on the Greeks but can't offer us anything outside the Greeks.

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>>17619488
>>17619525
There are authentic mystics in Ethiopia who have been carrying on various initiatory mysteries for thousands of years. Many Greek scholars such as Pythagoras went there to study and be initiated themselves.
In Iran you can be initiated into Hermetic mysteries by the remaining followers of Hermes Trismegistus, who continue to venerate him as a spiritual leader to this day.
Just because Europe is abandoning classical thought doesn't mean that authentic continuations of the tradition don't still exist-- in fact, you're probably living in one of the best points in history to travel and study ancient knowledge.
Sure, you could go to a respectable school and get a respectable degree and maybe even teach someday, but for that investment of time and energy you could also LARP as a mystically minded Hellenic aristocrat and position yourself to flex on even the most elite western scholars.

>> No.17619751

>>17619178
Why kill yourself when you could be traveling the world learning half a dozen languages and making conventional academics look like a bunch of gay plebs?

>> No.17619785

>>17618739
OK, how?

>> No.17619789

>>17619603
>Arab philosophy is only reiterating Greek and Persian philosophy. I'm not one of those midwits who think that "originality" matters as a value in itself but any Islamic/Arabic knowledge worth studying
I know you're trying to save yourself from saying the same shit all other dumbfuck orientalists say about eastern philosophy, but you just did.
Tell me, have you actually read any works by arab philosophers, or did you just go read the wikipedia page or watch some similar pop philosophy shit that regurgitates popular misconceptions about said arab philosophers?

>> No.17619836

War, eventually. We're beyond reconciliation so it's just a matter of time.

>> No.17619955

>>17618751
I'm for this, it's the end of Rome and the politicians rhetoric is abound. No true literature being made (extraordinarily little anyway), let's just return to ourselves during the fire.

Actually, now that I think about it, Heidegger's fear of technology seems rather prescient and maybe this is a greater danger than during Rome.

>> No.17619963

>>17619836
>he thinks anyone is going to risk their life over Aristotle
Delusional

>> No.17619965

>>17618927
>One person can't combat huge societal forces by themselves.
One can't but many can. Play the game until you get into a position of power in your department and then start trying to influence hiring practices. It happens in pluralistic philosophy departments. Once the Analytics get a foothold they start to only hire other Analytics until they manage to push out all the Continentalists.

>> No.17620001

>>17618918
Absolutely correct.

>> No.17620046

You're making an issue where there isn't one. First of all the author is defending Aristotle. Secondly even if "they" did "cancel Aristotle" -- what would that even mean? You could still buy Aristotle, read his books, talk about him with people, cite him, and so on. If Aristotle were "cancelled" nothing would happen except a few fanatics would not read him, which they were unlikely to do in the first place.
I'm sick of this website.

>> No.17620052

>>17620046
the website is sick of you too

>> No.17620056

>>17620046
For Aristotle, obviously this is true, but for more fringe/extremists? Look at all the right-wing shit that has been taken off of Amazon over the last year.

>> No.17620093

>>17620046
>You could still buy Aristotle, read his books, talk about him with people, cite him, and so on. If Aristotle were "cancelled" nothing would happen except a few fanatics would not read him
Don't be disingenuous. Once a thinker is cancelled nobody can publicly engage with them without being cancelled themselves. This has happened with many philosophers before, just look how rare any kind of pre-war German philosophy is on Anglo campuses.
Pretending that individual choice and responsibility exists under impersonal systems of power is ridiculous. There are a very small amount of openings in academia, media, and government, and those jobs are filled by the people who fit into them-- not people dabbling with controversial or "outdated" modes of thought.

>> No.17620102

>>17620093
>Don't be disingenuous. Once a thinker is cancelled nobody can publicly engage with them without being cancelled themselves. This has happened with many philosophers before, just look how rare any kind of pre-war German philosophy is on Anglo campuses.
This is literally not true
>Pretending that individual choice and responsibility exists under impersonal systems of power is ridiculous. There are a very small amount of openings in academia, media, and government, and those jobs are filled by the people who fit into them-- not people dabbling with controversial or "outdated" modes of thought.
Do you seriously believe this?

>> No.17620163

>>17620093
Kant, Schopenhauer, Marx, Liebniz, Husserl, and so on are always taught in unis.

>> No.17620186

>>17619037
>>17619109
>>17619153
>>17619643
keep going with these, this is interesting as fuck

>> No.17620192

>>17618663
Round up all the politically correct victimhood units and lgbtsjwtfnpc marxist cattle load them into trucks, drive them out to the countryside and have them dig a nice big trench. I didnt want it to come to this but its become evident that is the only language they understand.

>> No.17620195

Nothing is actually stopping anyone from reading Aristotle. Stop depending on schools to fill out your education. They're scammy and really only there for the expensive piece of paper.

>> No.17620196

I don't understand americans' obsession with censoring everything.

>> No.17620206

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>> No.17620211

>>17620196
America is one of the few (maybe the only?) western countries where one of the core constitutional principles is that the state cannot censor speech. It's absolutist on this point.

>> No.17620225

>>17620211
It's also the wellspring of this whole 'cancel culture' rubbish.
>the state
I'm talking about the people.

>> No.17620246

>>17620211
>It's absolutist on this point.

It actually isn't. Very few of the Constitutional rights are absolute. You can Google up "time, place, and manner" restrictions if you're intellectually curious.

>> No.17620272

>>17620102
>This is literally not true
Yes it is. It's common knowledge that Nietzsche and Heidegger took years to be 'rehabilitated' before being acceptable within western universities. Spengler is still controversial. There's an entire generation of Italian intellectuals who are considered untouchable because of their connections with proto-fascism. It's not limited to right wing thought either, there's a serious black hole in academia concerning most things Islamic, African, and Native American. Entire Amerindian languages going extinct while community elders and traditional sources of knowledge and authority wouldn't be allowed to set foot on a university campus, let alone teach a class.
Academia is a small clique of people and they decide what is important and what isn't, as long as you fall in line and refuse to acknowledge this you're safe, but its very clearly a factor when viewed from the outside.

>Do you seriously believe this?
Yes, do some research into the social role of public intellectuals-- its to create consensus, not to create truth. Previous to mass media democracy public discourse was pragmatic, disinterested, Socratic, and limited to only the wealthy and powerful.

>> No.17620300

>>17620196
Its their democratic personality. They view politics as something innately a part of personal existence, and political change as something created by consensus.
This leads to a very totalitarian worldview, almost Stalinistic, where there is a single objective narrative and all people must subjectively comply to it in their totality.
The public sphere is personal for Americans. You can see this in their attitudes towards sexuality and scandals as well. It's a very weird country from the outside.

>> No.17620314

>>17620300
That's an interesting idea.

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>>17620186
>The Academy Vivarium Novum (or Accademia in Italian) in Rome is the only college in the world where students can spend one or more years immersed in Latin and Ancient Greek. These languages are spoken both in and outside of the classroom.[4] The academy is directed by Luigi Miraglia, who according to the New Yorker magazine "speaks Latin more fluently than almost anyone else alive".[5]
>The Academy Vivarium Novum was founded with the intent to preserve the tradition of Renaissance schools, their teaching methods, and the vision of the world that such an education fosters. Closely influenced by the history of the Jesuit Order and the Legionaries of Christ, it wants to induce a rebirth of the humanities[6] based on the belief that dignity (dignitas hominis) may be attained only by continuous self-examination.[7] The students of the Academy Vivarium Novum aim to achieve a comprehensive grasp of the Latin and Ancient Greek languages.[8]

>> No.17620333

>>17620300
yeah but why are they like this

>> No.17620347

>>17620316
Where are you finding these? Its some very cool stuff.

>> No.17620351

>>17620246
Compared to other countries, it is. Obviously there are exceptions here and there (libel, threats, fighting words). But viewpoint-based state censorship is absolutely forbidden in the US.

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>>17620186
>The Naqshbandi order owes many insights to Yusuf Hamdani and Abdul Khaliq Gajadwani in the 12th century, the latter of whom is regarded as the organizer of the practices and is responsible for placing stress upon the purely silent invocation.[6] It was later associated with Baha-ud-Din Naqshband Bukhari in the 14th century, hence the name of the order. The name can be interpreted as "engraver (of the heart)", "pattern maker", "reformer of patterns", "image maker", or "related to the image maker". The way is sometimes referred to as "the sublime sufi path" and "the way of the golden chain."
>The path's name has changed over the years. Referring to Abu Bakr as-Siddiq, it was originally called "as-Siddiqiyya"; between the time of Bayazid al-Bistami and Abdul Khaliq al-Ghujdawani "at-Tayfuriyya"; from the time of 'Abdul Khaliq al-Ghujdawani to Shah Naqshband the "Khwajagan" or "Hodja"; from the time of Shah Naqshband and on "an-Naqshbandiyya".
>Afterwards, a branch or sub-order name was added. From 'Ubeydullah Ahrar to Imam Rabbani, the way was called "Naqshbandiyya-Ahrariyya"; from Imam Rabbani to Shamsuddin Mazhar "Naqshbandiyya-Mujaddadiyya"; from Shamsuddin Mazhar to Mawlana Khalid al-Baghdadi "Naqshbandiyya-Mazhariyya"; from Mawlana Khalid onwards "Naqshbandiyya-Khalidiyya"; "Naqshbandiyya-Mustafvi" (Khalidi) and so on.[7]
>The way or school connected to the late Shaykh Sultan ul-Awliya Moulana Sheikh Nazim, who lived in Northern Cyprus, is undoubtedly the most active of all Naqshbandi orders with followers in almost every corner of the World. It is referred to as the "Naqshbandi-Haqqani" way. According to some estimates there are over sixty million disciples, and centres in almost every country of the world. It also had the largest internet presence. There are disciples in almost all of Europe including the United Kingdom, Germany, and France, and in the United States of America, the Middle East, Africa, India, Bangladesh, China, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Latin America, etc. It is most active in Indonesia, Malaysia, Sri Lanka and Pakistan. As well as being the most prevalent Sufi Order in the west. The Prince of Malaysia, Raja Ashman Shah was a disciple of this order.

>> No.17620387

>>17620347
Wikipedia my man
>Evin University was constructed in 1972 under the reign of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. It is located at the foot of the Alborz mountains on the former home of Ziaeddin Tabatabaee, who briefly served as prime minister in the 1920s. Iran's judicial system is based on Islamic law, or sharia. The system is under supervision of the Minister of Justice and the chief public prosecutor who, are appointed by the Supreme Leader.
>The grounds of the University include an execution yard, a courtroom, and separate blocks for common criminals and female inmates. It was originally operated by the Shah's security and intelligence service, SAVAK. It was initially designed to house 320 inmates — 20 in solitary cells and 300 in two large communal blocks — and was expanded to hold more than 1,500 prisoners, including 100 solitary cells for political students, by 1977.[3]
>Under the Islamic Republic, the University population was again expanded to 15,000 inmates. According to scholar Ervand Abrahamian:[4] "In theory, Evin was a detention center for those awaiting trial", after which the prisoners would be transferred to another prison, either Qezel Hesar or Gohardasht Prison. "In reality, Evin served as a regular university as many waited years before being brought to trial". Prominent students often served their entire sentences in Evin. Executions took place at Evin.[5] Following the Islamic Revolution, Mohammad Kachouyi was made warden of Evin. After his assassination in June 1981, Asadollah Lajevardi, the chief prosecutor of Tehran, served as warden until 1985.[6] In 1998, the People's Mujahedin of Iran assassinated Lajevardi.[citation needed] The university is located in a residential and commercial area known as Evin, next to the Saadat Abad district. There is a large park area with a popular upscale teahouse and restaurant located immediately next to it. Photography in front of and around the university is illegal.[7] Prisoners from Evin and Ghezel Hesar are to be transferred eventually to the Central Prison of Tehran, also known as Fashafaviye or Fashafoyeh5.[8]

>> No.17620395

>>17620196
America has been ruled by a capitalist mindset for several decades now, it has seeped totally into every facet of our culture. Identity politics that further poisoned an already dishonest and intellectually destitute government were created purely because of a consistent need to attach oneself to a worthwhile brand. Those brands are all created, propped up, and fed purely on the backs of corporate advertising. We now wear politics as we would T-shirts, to advertise to others our worth based on our own thought. Once you hold those core thoughts, you must campaign against that which demonizes or minimizes it in any way. This is why brands have become much as religions, and consumers very much their zealots. You can decide whether these brands are all maliciously determined by corporatist meddling or simply used because advertisers have their finger on the pulse of the masses, but it is the reason for our censorship mindset.

>> No.17620417

>>17618853
What a pussy compromise. I hate centrists who think they can reason with leftists more than leftists themselves. Keep an eye on the author and watch how he capitulates in a year or two at most.

>> No.17620466

>>17620351
>uh, uhm, I meant it's relatively absolutist
no

>> No.17620482

>>17620358
>>17620387
Fascinating stuff man. I was really asking more along the lines of how you're stumbling onto these? Just following the related links?

>> No.17620507

>>17618853
>but dangerousness, I have been arguing, is less a matter of literal content than messaging context.
What a dumb fucking whore.

>> No.17620551

>>17620507
Argument to the contrary?

>> No.17620582
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>>17620482
Pretty much. I like reading about different occult movements and small religious groups, and that leads to some cool links. Some of this stuff just comes from years of browsing /lit/ too.
You'd probably be interested in reading about some of the minor religious minorities in Iran, in particular Mandaeism which is still shrouded in mystery as far as westerners are concerned. Lots of traditions of the classical world have been preserved in various forms among small communities in Egypt, Persia, and Ethiopia.

>> No.17620587

>>17618663
When it comes to people from the past, "canceling" doesn't matter. Their books / movies / whatever still exist and are all over the place online, all throughout history books, encyclopedias, the works of scholars, etc. People who are interested will still read and study and talk about them, and there will always be such people thanks to the internet.

>> No.17620590

>>17620551
Dangerousness is a matter of literal content rather than messaging context. The only reason Aristotle isn't popular is really just circumstance, not messaging context. Right wingers prefer to go for low hanging fruits like Mein Kampf for some reason. Aristotle is pretty much always brought up among any right wing community that isn't larping as nazis.

You could also argue that Aristotle, as an intellectual, is more dangerous than propaganda, because he provides the groundwork for fascist intellectuals which cannot be dismissed as mere propaganda.

>> No.17620642

>>17620590
>You could also argue that Aristotle, as an intellectual, is more dangerous than propaganda, because he provides the groundwork for fascist intellectuals which cannot be dismissed as mere propaganda.
Sure they can, all you need to do is critique their 'messaging context' as opposed to content.
So it's perfectly possible to keep Aristotle, bad ideas and all, while shutting down right wingers, you just have to critique the context .

>> No.17620687

>>17619099
>i can't fight the scary liberals on their own venue that might entail some risk
so this is the power of tradcucks

>> No.17620708

>>17620466
Fuck off. Anon asked a question and I responded to it.

>> No.17620716

>>17620708
I am going to mock transparent backtracking like that every time I see it and there's nothing you can do about that.

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>>17619488
>African
Tertullian, and Augustine.
>>17619643
Based and Ethiopilled

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>>17618663
>how can we salvage what’s left of academia and free ourselves from the tyranny of people like this
Either pic related, or just wait for it all to collapse. At this point, infiltrating academia would be very hard (though not impossible, depending on where you live) and changing the youth's subversive attitudes would be even harder.

This is doubly true if you're American, in which case your only options are to secede East Ukraine-style or be literally genocided within the next 20 years.

>> No.17620757

>>17620740
>Augustine
Roman Colonist

>> No.17620770

>>17618663
Should we cancel Aristotle?
It is not possible.

>> No.17620775

>>17618663
Here's a better question.
>Would Aristotle cancel Us?
Have fun.

>> No.17620795

>>17620687
Not the guy you're responding to, but consider this. Uni education is expensive in time and money. If a person actually spends a decade or so putting in the work to become a tenured professor (basically impossible now, but lets ignore that for this discussion), racking up debt, losing out on precious time to get other skills. Now you can do your best to push back against the agenda! Only the moment one of your students or colleagues bitches about you trying to make serious defenses of the canon you are in serious shit. I'm not saying it has to be all of your colleagues or all of your students, just one or a few determined to fuck you over. Now, unless your dept seriously has your back you are fucked. If you get fired that debt doesn't go away, and neither does your complete lack of skills or savings (adjuncts and phd candidates dont make much). There's a whole lot to risk in this scenario, and the likelihood of you beating the charges in this era where education cannot be allowed to go against orthodox political thinking is next to nil. Good luck getting another job at a university after a politically motivated firing. The current overload of phd's without a position ensures that there's always someone waiting to take your spot should you slip up. This is a very risky game to play, with very little reward to it considering your students are braindead kids with 0 interest in your subject matter that are only there because they fell for the academic ponzi scheme to get a job. What's the point of any of that? Nobody will appreciate you and you have everything to risk.

>> No.17620806

>>17619028
God imagine being able to type this post without a little voice in your head warning you that you sound like a complete moron at any point, just living life with no self-awareness at all.

>> No.17620822

>>17620757
Nope, he was a Berber.

>> No.17620897

>>17620163
Only Schopenhauer is “problematic” given his views on women.

>> No.17620921

>>17620775
I wouldn’t blame him if he did.

>> No.17620939

>>17619099
>More women voted for Hitler than men btw
not surprising women go along to get along

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>>17620740
>Da Jah-made-mon

>> No.17620976

>>17620740
>Selassie
https://youtu.be/VftUIdIoyFk

>> No.17621044

>>17619488
general buttnaked