/sffg/ - Science fiction and Fantasy general

[Anonymous No.17614507]

Anime edition
Previous Thread: >>17611735
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Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.17614556]

>>17614507
Any fantasy and/or Science fiction novel where the main character or the love interest are unrepentant psychos killing love rivals and isolating their loved ones?

[Anonymous No.17614799]

>>17614556
I know a few, but the novels aren’t wholly sci-fi nor fantasy though.

[Anonymous No.17614859]

Do readers now expect fantastical racism in every fantasy setting in [current year]? Is it realistic for fantasy races to live together normally in a setting without racial prejudices coming up?

[Anonymous No.17614883]

>>17614859
Unfortunately, in current year, any acknowledgement of specie/race differences is made racism. If I write a book with a humanoid race of long limbed humanoids with dark skin who are very fast runners, I'll get bombarded with accusations of being a racist even though I'm simply acknowledging a racial "perk"
That's why I'm writing species, not races.

[Anonymous No.17614895]

Early Bakker is so kino. The whole Inrau plot, Kellhus x Cnauir plot, Akka making the connections between different factions and players, Esmi and Sarcelus, the Emperor's gamble. It's all so tight and well oiled.
Granted some of the best parts happened in Aspect Emperor, but early Bakker simply had more charisma. You can tell he wasn't as jaded and depressed as by the end of Unholy Consult, when he probably already knew that he wouldn't be able to write the No God series. It gives me the sad

[Anonymous No.17614905]

>>17614507
Can I get a book recommendation? I want something with an atmosphere and setting similar to pic related; something distopic and cyberpunkish but with fantastical elements like psionics and demons thrown in
no warhammer pls

[Anonymous No.17615069]

>>17614875
>You can literally tell an entire story without a word of prose. And more universally as well. Prose is incidental to storytelling.
Holy shit, I don't think I've ever read anything more stupid than this.

[Anonymous No.17615164]

>>17615069
This desu.

[Anonymous No.17615171]

>>17615069
He’s a Sandersoy, what did you expect?

[Anonymous No.17615182]

>>17614507
>Doesn’t link new thread on the previous one
>Wrong formatting
>”Anime edition”

Shit thread.

[Anonymous No.17615185]

>>17615069
I hate this fucking board. This post is so retarded I'm convinced it's genuine.

[Anonymous No.17615192]

>>17615185
It is, check the previous thread.

[Anonymous No.17615196]

>>17615192
I meant the one I was replying to.

[Anonymous No.17615282]

>>17615069
>>You can literally tell an entire story without a word of prose. And more universally as well. Prose is incidental to storytelling.
The absolute state of proselets.

[Anonymous No.17615287]

>>17615196
>>17615185
Well, that’s not an argument.

[Anonymous No.17615297]

>>17615185
Leave it. The prosesoys are just trying to trigger you.

[Anonymous No.17615325]

>NOOOOOOOOOO! WHY IS THIS PROSE SOOO HAAAAAARD!!!???
>PROSE IS IRELEVAAANT!!!!
>>>/a/

[Anonymous No.17615357]

>All the Greats wrote masterful prose, regardless of the genre.
Proselets simply cannot cope with this fact.

[Anonymous No.17615371]

>>17614859
Even the Mormon is getting heat for this. And he’s one of the most “non-controversial” writers I can think of.

[Anonymous No.17615386]

>>17615371
I haven’t read any Sanderson, is it worth it? Or is it all jus YA.

[Anonymous No.17615396]

>>17615386
Not worth it, if you’re over 18.

[Anonymous No.17615397]

>>17615386
It's worse than YA.

[Anonymous No.17615406]

>>17615386
>>17612263
Just cringe.

[Anonymous No.17615416]

[Anonymous No.17615427]

>>17614859
>tfw unconsciously made an entire world with apparent anti-miscegenation tendencies where all unions are within the same race
am i gonna get cancelled for this?

[Anonymous No.17615438]

>>17612056
>”No. Sanderson's prose is based around painting a picture in your head with as little words as possible.”

>1200 page books
>Repeats the same shit in the books over and over again.

This has to be bait.

[Anonymous No.17615439]

>>17615406
I have no idea what’s going on there, but “cringe is the appropriate response.

[Anonymous No.17615446]

>>17615416
Where is this from?

[Anonymous No.17615470]

>>17615446
idk i found it on here and thought it was funny

[Anonymous No.17615486]

How much “Mormonism” is in Sanderson’s work?

[Anonymous No.17615488]

>>17615486
Zero sex. Or GRI for that matter.

[Anonymous No.17615494]

>>17614905
Wayne Barlowe

[Anonymous No.17615516]

>>17615488
GRI?

[Anonymous No.17615523]

>>17615516
>being this new
Oh no no no no no

[Anonymous No.17615595]

I downloaded a lot of fantasy last week and just finished The Name of the Wind. I didn't overly enjoy it but wanted to at least finish it, however I won't read any more of his work. It was an easy read and I'm now unsure on what to start. I want a medieval fantasy setting with magic and possibly some level of maturity. I'm torn between something with decent prose and intensity like Prince of Nothing or Malazan, or perhaps also starting Mistborn or The Way of Kings to satisfy my easy to read urge to be entertained and it wouldn't take me long to read those.

Thoughts? It's probably best to just start whatever I want and recommendations may be difficult as I've just given you polarising examples.

[Anonymous No.17615628]

>>17615595
(You)

[Anonymous No.17615634]

>>17615595
Curse of Chalion.

[Anonymous No.17615637]

>>17615516
Gay/gore, rape, incest.

Good gritty fantasy tends to hit all these buttons.

[Anonymous No.17615649]

Are there any good books with a similar setting to retro jrpgs? Like, airships, huge trains, skyscrapers, maybe even robots all powered by magic and used alongside swords and spirits and stuff? The strong technology vs. nature themes are a bonus but not required.

[Anonymous No.17615674]

>>17615649
Book of the new sun. The protagonist even becomes God at the end.

[Anonymous No.17615709]

>>17615649
“The Aeronaut’s Windlass” by Jim Butcher has airships and big towers.

[Anonymous No.17615739]

>Madness!

[Anonymous No.17615745]

>>17615739
Surely you jest?

[Anonymous No.17615750]

>>17615739
Madness? This is Sparta!

[Anonymous No.17615758]

Can you name the worst sff books you’ve ever read? Please elaborate.

So that I can avoid them.

[Anonymous No.17615762]

>>17615758
Dune.

[Anonymous No.17615774]

>>17615758
anything by sanderson

[Anonymous No.17615775]

>>17615758
Nine tailed fox was pretty bad. Picked it up at a used bookstore a while back.

[Anonymous No.17615776]

>>17615637
do there have to be gays?

[Anonymous No.17615777]

>>17615762
>>17615775
>>17615774
Why? It’s just shit-posting otherwise.

[Anonymous No.17615823]

>>17615776
Just having gay sex in the series qualifies. There being actual gays in the series to enjoy it isn't required.

[Anonymous No.17615837]

>>17615823
i'm gonna have gays in my book, but fuck doing sex scenes for them lel

[Anonymous No.17615844]

>>17615595
Fantasy peaked with Earthsea

[Anonymous No.17615848]

>>17615844
hard agree. but you posted the worst covers.

[Anonymous No.17615857]

>>17615837
You can explore new venues for GRI like having gay people be straight raped.

[Anonymous No.17615864]

>>17615837
As an actual faggot, you are literally never gonna make it if you shy away from gay sex scenes.

Simply because you’ll a token retard. There’s nothing I loathe more than quotas in fantasy books.

Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.17615874]

>>17615837
asoiaf is gri but i think all the gay sex in it is only implied

i can't remember any gay sex scenes

[Anonymous No.17615883]

>>17615864
i will just imply it and have the other characters make fun of it behind their backs

[Anonymous No.17615889]

>>17615864
The gay token guy in the Stormlight Archive made me cringe so hard that I had to drop the series.

[Anonymous No.17615898]

>>17615848
I kek every time I see picrelated.
In all honesty, I don't know what was worse for Earthsea's reputation, the Ghibli film or the awful cover designs

[Anonymous No.17615902]

>>17615898
oh god. poor ursula. what a horror

[Anonymous No.17615916]

>>17615889
if i'm gonna have a token gay, how do i make them not cringe?

[Anonymous No.17615928]

>>17615916
can't you just think of a gay person that doesn't make you cringe

[Anonymous No.17615938]

>>17615916
If the character is irrelevant, don’t go out of your way to mention his sexuality, it’s pathetic.

If he’s important, own it. Don’t shy way from it. Your novel will be much better that way. Also, don’t pretend that there are no bigots in the novel, that’s even cringier.

[Anonymous No.17615995]

>>17615928
>can't you just think of a gay person that doesn't make you cringe
No.

[Anonymous No.17616002]

>>17615928
Me

[Anonymous No.17616009]

Any fantasy book with this general sense of aesthetics?
Something good and mature please, I don't want some goofy ass every b kungfu fightin type stuff. I'd like something like Bakker but with ancient Chinese aesthetics and philosophy

[Anonymous No.17616013]

>>17615995
>>17615928
Why do you cringe? Are you afraid they’ll make you go gay?

[Anonymous No.17616020]

>>17616009

[Anonymous No.17616035]

>>17616020

[Anonymous No.17616037]

>>17616013
it's just bantz. i know some cool gay guys.

[Anonymous No.17616048]

>>17616013
They are different. I cringe when I see someone walking around with an ahegao shirt too. Doesn’t mean I think they’re gonna come up to me and try to start a fight over whether big or small tits are better.

[Anonymous No.17616059]

>>17616009
Literally Earthsea. >>17615844

[Anonymous No.17616061]

And they say Bakker cant write women.

Utterly based

[Anonymous No.17616074]

>>17616061
Forgot pic t. phoneposter

[Anonymous No.17616087]

Threadly reminder to read Bakker. Start with The Darkness That Comes Before. The Second Apocalypse series is part of the /sffg/ canon. Not understanding Bakker memes renders you blind to most of the relevant discussion that goes on here.

[Anonymous No.17616134]

Where's the guy that was posting sanderson's worst pages?

We've all seen the stick one, but there was another which was worse imo

[Anonymous No.17616155]

>>17616134
>>17612401

[Anonymous No.17616218]

>>17616134
>>17616155
is it that bad? My only touch with sanderson were the later WoT novels.

[Anonymous No.17616274]

>>17616155
there it is

[Anonymous No.17616277]

>>17616218
>is it that bad?
Do you need people to decide that for you?

[Anonymous No.17616287]

>>17616087
>bUt tHe aLiGnMeNt cHaRt iS wRoNg

[Anonymous No.17616363]

>>17616061
Esmenet is one of the most realistic women in modern fantasy.

[Anonymous No.17616378]

>>17616087
The Shriah is unironically better than Esmi.

[Anonymous No.17616396]

>>17616363
Is this why she keeps fucking everything up and why I absolutely despise her?

[Anonymous No.17616406]

>>17615494
Anything in particolar?

[Anonymous No.17616473]

>>17616396
Exactly. You can't love Esmi and hate women, or vice versa. Esmi IS a woman as womanly as women irl get.

[Anonymous No.17616615]

Currently reading Royal Assassin. Why doesn't Fitz just kill Regal and solve literally every problem anyone has outside of piracy?

[Anonymous No.17616623]

Ask this 1--few threads ago, but I want to get into the wh40k universe, albeit I hate human sci, and find nearly all scifi attrociously boring, implausible (work as scientist), and way too often badly written, though the last is more subjective.

From the two replies I got- I should read ciaphas cain, the night lords, fulgrim, the first heretic, betrayer; some of these are series others standalone titles, and gaunt's ghosts, which I meticulously dl'd only to find out it's stupid milscifi human shite.
I'll give it a try though.
I found about the primarcsh 00-13, the names and covers suggest it's what I was looking for.

I also dl'd 54 audiobooks of The Horus Heresy, of which I understand the first 6--7 are essential prerequisites to all other reading-- is that so?

Is there are definitive timeline or guide or something for the nigh 4e2 novels about the whole shebang?

[Anonymous No.17616694]

Bakker did mother-son incest (and implied brother-sister incest).

GRRM did father-daughter incest and brother-sister incest.

Do you think an index of sorts could be made for GRI?

[Anonymous No.17616695]

>>17616623
All of your questions are better answered via Google, where you bad attitude does not bother anyone. You clearly don't want to get into 40k, it's not even sci-fi it's literal magic and demons in space

[Anonymous No.17616696]

What does this meme mean?

[Anonymous No.17616703]

>>17616694
We should use the reddit trigger warning list. I don't have the link though.

[Anonymous No.17616715]

Now that Terry Pratchett is dead, did he or his estate say anything about fan works set in Discworld?

[Anonymous No.17616717]

>>17616696
It means worldbuilding sucks and Cosmere and One Piece have no value

[Anonymous No.17616722]

>>17616717
I have never read either of those. I assume that One Piece is a Cartoon?

[Anonymous No.17616724]

>>17616694
>Bakker did mother-son incest
I will now read Bakker

[Anonymous No.17616739]

>>17616724
It's implied. But the "mother" has a cock.

[Anonymous No.17616760]

>>17616739
Even better.

[Anonymous No.17616764]

>>17616722
It's the highest selling comic of all time, but yes there is also a cartoon.

[Anonymous No.17616821]

>>17616623
>I hate most themes from wh40k
>I have to force myself to read some novels from wh40k though
why

[Anonymous No.17616869]

>>17614859
>>17614883
>>17615371
>>17615427

[Anonymous No.17616883]

>>17616695
I literally hate humans. I wanted to read about torture, depravity, perversion and horror, not some political, tryhard, milscifi shit.
https://www.wh40kbookclub.com/beginners-guide-to-warhammer-40000/
this and provided guide in the horus heresy torrent, are all human tale; the only this of those I'd read are the first 6 and the chaos marine series
>>17616821
It's a nice universe, built upon over 30-40 years by dozens of authors, meaning there's bound to be at least sth decent in it.
The last mil thing I tried was by Thomas Kratman, his earlier series, jesusfuckingchrist the most boring shit ever, though it could've been due to his ineptitude, later works improved much.
I wanna read some dark shit.

[Anonymous No.17616902]

>>17616883
Okay so you hate what Warhammer 40k is about, but you still want to read about it?
This is folly.

[Anonymous No.17616909]

>>17616883
wow, failed at taing a screenshot
what a failure of a human bean

[Anonymous No.17616941]

>>17616883
>I wanted to read about torture, depravity, perversion and horror
The only faction that fits this neatly are the Dark Eldars, but every single faction in the wh40k universe is used as a backdrop for the human factions. Wh40k is literally Humanity fuck yeah!, bad science and gothic cathedrals in space: the series.

[Anonymous No.17616963]

Read this post, and see if you can translate it in your brain.

Chill Sandersoys, I'm just having a laugh.

[Anonymous No.17616965]

>>17616902
Fine, I'll try only the primarchs and the chaosmarine shit.
If I don't like it, nothing lost,
Seems as though there's not much a definitive guide for what I want anyways.
If I like it, I might return.
>>17616941
I remember being first introduced to it, I was rooting for the 'bad guys'. Thanks for the input, I'll see what I can find about said faction.

[Anonymous No.17616978]

>>17616965
>says he hates human scifi and implausible stuff
>opts to read about Chaos Marines who are humans with magic powers
You might want to read books about the Eldar or the Tau instead maybe

[Anonymous No.17617010]

>>17616963
What the fuck is this individual going on about?

[Anonymous No.17617026]

>>17617010
>individual

[Anonymous No.17617035]

>>17616963
Uhhhhhh...
Pizza?

[Anonymous No.17617084]

>>17616963
>That jump from "We" to "I"

[Anonymous No.17617093]

>>17616883
read fulgrim it's all about that

[Anonymous No.17617101]

>>17616883
fabius bile stuff you might light

[Anonymous No.17617243]

>>17617101
Is the dabbing on purpose?

[Anonymous No.17617257]

WTF?!! I LOVE REDDIT NOW!

[Anonymous No.17617274]

>>17617257
Hard proof that the bakkerspammers are all reddit refugees.
You have to go back.

[Anonymous No.17617283]

>>17617257
Do they know how much we hate Sanderson?

[Anonymous No.17617287]

>>17617257
I will never read Bakker

[Anonymous No.17617298]

>>17617257
>Actual normies indirectly benefiting from shit-posters on 4chan.
This unironically made me smile. Thanks for the Art/Charts!

[Anonymous No.17617300]

>>17617257
which subreddit is this

[Anonymous No.17617309]

>>17617300
The fact that you have to ask this leads to conclude that you're:
Not gonna make it.

/r/bakker/

[Anonymous No.17617320]

>>17617309
I have been to /r/ bakker but I was thinking that reddit bakker fans were ruining some reddit sffg

[Anonymous No.17617327]

>>17615844
What is it about Earthsea that defies adaptations? It's not like they're necessarily BAD, but they just don't get the source material.

[Anonymous No.17617328]

Euron Greyjoy is dropped into the Second Apocalypse universe. How well does he do?

[Anonymous No.17617330]

>>17617320
There's a discord. Having a /sffg/ reddit makes no sense whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.17617339]

>>17617328
Dies trying to sail to golgotterath

[Anonymous No.17617343]

I actually started Bakkerposting here and found r/bakker afterward. I made this inchoroi meme, then someone reposted it there. They're a bunch of dweebs, the shitposters here are funnier. But reddit is better for in-depth discussion of the themes of the books, which mostly gets buried here under all the inane shitposting.

[Anonymous No.17617344]

>>17617257
>>17617309
I hope Bakker gets an aneurysm.

[Anonymous No.17617350]

>>17617339

I figured he is one of the sole ASOIAF characters who could do remotely well considering his attitude towards Gods and religions along with whatever secret cache of magical items he has hidden away somewhere

[Anonymous No.17617368]

>>17617327
The reason the Ghibli adaptation didn't work was that Goro Miyazaki wasn't a storyteller or a creative type of any kind, he just worked in a museum and suddenly got told he has to direct a movie for the honor of his family or commit sudoku.

[Anonymous No.17617372]

BAKKER CHADS!!!

LEND ME YOUR STRENGHT!!!

EVEN REDDIT IS AWAKENING!!!

IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME UNTIL OUR LORD AND SAVIOR NOTICES THIS SHIFT IN THE BALANCE!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[Anonymous No.17617376]

I only enjoy my own fantasy and sci-fi writing. Everything else bores me.

[Anonymous No.17617387]

>>17617339
>Dies trying to sail to golgotterath
>Is saved from damnation by Momas, the sea god, and made into an underwater, deep-sea octopus-Ciphrang. Ok, I'll go back to r/bakker now.

[Anonymous No.17617396]

>>17617287
>>17617344

[Anonymous No.17617410]

he looks troubled

[Anonymous No.17617451]

>>17617410
he looks like the cool friend in junior high where you'd go to his basement in the country, smoke weed and drink beer, listen to metal records, and cut stuff in the backyard with a katana. then you would embark on an insane, long-winded game of Advanced Dungeons and Dragons where your party gets mauled by mind flayers, beholders, liches and outer abominations, and everyone would die in the end. pretty sick dude.

[Anonymous No.17617466]

>>17617330
discords = trannies

dont go to discord servers

[Anonymous No.17617468]

>>17617451
That sounds like the type of shit I used to do...

[Anonymous No.17617485]

>>17617274
I knew it.
/sffg/ belongs to the /Wolfepack/

[Anonymous No.17617525]

>>17617330
>>17617466
>>17614507
How many people use the discord?
The poll got like 200 votes in a few hours after being spammed there.
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655/

[Anonymous No.17617546]

>>17617485
So how about that Wizard Knight?

[Anonymous No.17617552]

>>17617525
That poll has been spammed over multiple discords.

[Anonymous No.17617575]

>>17617525
Interesting how Bakker is always at 30% (it's been the same for 5+ days) no matter how many additional votes are casted.

[Anonymous No.17617718]

>>17617575
Not sure if legit trolling or not.

[Anonymous No.17618040]

Daily reminder.

[Anonymous No.17618057]

>have a shortstack character named Dolores
>just remembered that Lolita was a nickname from Dolores
Should o change her name? Don’t want anyone to think I’m writing stealth pedo shit.

[Anonymous No.17618091]

>>17618040
Thank (you) for this neutral and unbiased take from r/bakker.

[Anonymous No.17618129]

>>17618057
people are gonna think of umbridge from hp for that ur cool

[Anonymous No.17618132]

>>17618091
No problem friend. It's irrefutable, I know.
I didn't write it.

[Anonymous No.17618168]

>>17616739
It's outright stated it happened during his childhood.

[Anonymous No.17618180]

I don't read fantasy, but I write it.

I like to write them like regular fiction books with emphasis on character and plot and toss in dragons, griffins, giants, and monsters and shit.

Magic systems are beyond lame. I prefer vague magic which leaves a lot to the imagination, but is somewhat present. Magic systems can lead to anime tier shitfests in your book and that shit is so fucking lame

[Anonymous No.17618190]

Reminder this happened last week. The Bakkerfags successfully summoned their Master to /sffg/.

[Anonymous No.17618203]

>>17616739
she didn't when it happened

[Anonymous No.17618205]

>>17618190
is bakker an alchie, he's always drinking

[Anonymous No.17618214]

>>17617451
I unironically used to have this aesthetic
Damn I miss mid 2000s

[Anonymous No.17618218]

>>17618205
>is bakker an alchie
He's Canadian. No need for the pleonasm.

[Anonymous No.17618221]

>>17618203
>>17618168
Dudes, I'm trying to be silly here, Ok? Spoilers free?

Also, What I meant to say is that no actual scene happens in the narrative, with the exception of the skin-spy one

>>17618190
I just hope that this is not a ruse.

[Anonymous No.17618238]

>>17618190
Post the other one about weed. In fact, post as many as you've got, fuck it.

[Anonymous No.17618243]

OK, riddle me this /sffgay/

What are the arguments against the Consult?
Impossible mode:
What are the arguments against the Consult on Earwa?

[Anonymous No.17618278]

>>17618214
I was always a slim-fat guy (i.e. never had abs).

I'm cute though.

[Anonymous No.17618300]

>>17618243
they are evil

[Anonymous No.17618307]

>>17618243
Well it's a fuckin pyramid scheme, for one. Who's to say you're going to be one of the lucky 144,000 who survives long enough to get annihilation when he dies?

The other argument is that the whole plan hinges upon the certainty that it will work. The idea sounds insane. Why would it work? Why the magic number of 144,000? Where did the idea come from, and how do you know it isn't just made up to justify the omnicidal dreams of evil, deranged people? The inchoroi on Earwa are the ignorant, degenerated remnant of a remnant, why should anyone believe them?

[Anonymous No.17618336]

>>17618307
yeah, i always expected that even if they got down to 144,000 (biblical number of the elect in revelations, btw), that it still wouldn't close the world. the inchoroi already failed on countless other planets despite reducing the populations to 12K^2; why is eärwa really so special?

i like in Bakker's writing that nothing is ever clearly certain as to being necessarily one way or another, that no single perspective is objectively true and the reader should doubt the accuracy of every character's viewpoint. he shares that with Wolfe.

[Anonymous No.17618339]

>>17618307
>Why would it work?
The No-God books will answer that surely :)

[Anonymous No.17618342]

>>17618243
1. Lots of people are OK with the gods. The fact a random slave in the middle of the great ordeal was with Yatwer and a random thane was with Gilgaol, despite the horrid stuff he was probably party to, suggests ordinary people are saved all the time. Most of these people probably would prefer eternity with their favored god and other chosen ones over oblivion.

2. Some great souls can become ciphrang themselves. These people will be happy enough to enable the damnation of others.

3. The progenitos already "solved" Tekne apparently. The Outside is the last frontier. A curious enough mind wouldn't want to be locked out of exploring this forever.

4. Most people don't want to die but they'd have to for the closure to happen.

[Anonymous No.17618351]

>>17618307
And here's the real question: if the No-God is in Golgotterath, and the continued existence of the No-God guarantees the eventual success of the Consult's plan as the childless population ages and dies, and Golgotterath is an almost-impregnable fortress, why did the No-God leave Golgotterath and make its way south during the First Apocalypse?

[Anonymous No.17618371]

>>17618351
apparently they aren't patient enough
also could it maybe be that it makes for a better story? next question.

[Anonymous No.17618377]

>>17618351
probably because there's some kind of time limit/the host burning out.

[Anonymous No.17618385]

>>17618371
could be less they aren't patient and more 300 year old human sorcerors knowing they have only a couple of years left before they die and not wanting to go to hell

[Anonymous No.17618401]

>>17618371
It certainly does, but my theory is the NG has a will of its own and desires that don't necessarily overlap with those of its creators

[Anonymous No.17618411]

>>17618307
>>17618336
[SPOILER]The Dunyain wouldn't just take prophecy as proof. I'm sure they've seen evidence for the plan to have some soundness to it.

My theory is that while the No-God was around it killed a ton of people until the inverse fire showed something besides damnation. Then the No-God died, population quickly bounced back up and the inverse fire showed damnation again. They must've estimated how many people were alive back then and set that number as their target. [/SPOILER]

[Anonymous No.17618418]

>>17618342
one ongoing question that's never resolved regards the universality of damnation. we get the sense that 99% of the characters we read about are damned, with some saved by gods seemingly at random. but every damned soul we read about happen to be sinners, sorcerers, scalpers, cannibal ordealmen, etc.

for the average caste-menial farmer, dockworker, slave, etc., who lived a good and honest life, what's the likelihood they'd be saved? since it's unknown, the proposition resembles pascal's wager. it's something we face ourselves in this world, and unironically why Bakker has Christpilled so many through his vivid, unforgettable depiction of damnation.

[Anonymous No.17618431]

>>17618411
interesting

[Anonymous No.17618469]

Bakkergen truly took over.

[Anonymous No.17618541]

>>17618418
I wonder what it means to be saved by a bellicose god.

Do good medics spend eternity fighting illness, like a never ending-shift at the ER?

[Anonymous No.17618680]

>>17618469
Feels good to be on the winning side of an astroturf, gj my fellow Reddit and Discord brethren

[Anonymous No.17618741]

>>17617368
did you fags read the howl's castle books? how are they?

[Anonymous No.17618764]

>>17618741
pretty comfy

[Anonymous No.17618819]

I need some science fiction to read.

[Anonymous No.17618821]

>>17616883
is that a linux/unix-like distro? name tho?

[Anonymous No.17618844]

>>17615844
What makes this so good?

[Anonymous No.17618911]

>>17617525
>How many people use the discord?
There are 276 members in the sffg discord.

[Anonymous No.17618935]

About to start this bad boy. What can I expect?

Last book was probably the weakest in the series. But the ending ended up being kino.

[Anonymous No.17618939]

>>17618911
How many of them are trannies?

[Anonymous No.17618959]

>>17618935
Shit's about to get really, really real.
Some prefer the more "human scaled" politicking of the earlier books, but the. last two books are my favorite in the series. Bakker does not hold back on the rapidly upscaling levels of madness, damnation, and profound spiritual and philosophical doubt.

[Anonymous No.17618962]

>>17618431
ty

[Anonymous No.17618986]

>>17618935
3 and 4 are much better than 1 and 2

[Anonymous No.17619006]

>>17618986
>>17618959
Achamian's voyage on 1 and 2 dragged for quite a while. I was surprised when he jumped straight to Ishuäl in the Interlude.

Sorwell was mostly alright.

Sumna was probably the best part. virtually no White-Luck-Warrior though, which was somewhat silly.

[Anonymous No.17619045]

>>17618821
It's void linux; what you're seeing is lf, a filemanger/browser written in go.

[Anonymous No.17619049]

>>17619006
Meant to say Momnem.

[Anonymous No.17619053]

>>17618935
I think the Sorweel/Serwa/Moe plot really drags in TGO, I did not give a shit about any of the new characters introduced in their part of this book and almost none of it affects the other threads. In fact I think in this one, as well as WLW, you really feel the drag of the story being split up into four separate pieces that don't interact at all. But hey, unlike most I loved the slog of Akka's story in all four of these (maybe it's the insight into what Bakker's D&D campaign was like), and no one else seems to have a problem with the Sor/Ser/Moe adventure, so what do I know?

[Anonymous No.17619054]

>>17618411
The First Apocalypse got nowhere close to the number.

[Anonymous No.17619059]

>>17618911
Only interested if you have cute boys

[Anonymous No.17619073]

>>17619053
I like all stuff nonmen so for me the trip story was a treat.

[Anonymous No.17619074]

>>17618911
What do you people actually discuss there?

[Anonymous No.17619106]

>>17619073
Same, the entire Ishterebinth sequence is spellbinding. Also you get to meet the Survivor, who is one of the most interesting characters in the whole. series imo. Also, you get to find out what really troubles Proyas. >>17619006

[Anonymous No.17619107]

>>17619053
I also really liked the slog of slogs for the most part.

I think it would've worked better as a single novel, up until the plots of the ordeal, esmenet and akka come together in the end and you could have the final book for that. Esmenet's plot has characters dying as soon as they become very interesting to me, which was pretty annoying; the stuff in the empire could also be it's own novel with more POVs.

[Anonymous No.17619139]

>>17618935
Akka vs the wracu was pure kino

[Anonymous No.17619144]

>>17619139
Incariol's death was anti-climatic.

[Anonymous No.17619179]

>“Too what? Too harsh? You don’t understand what it was like! Every infant stillborn for eleven years—for eleven years, Kellhus! Ever since the No-God’s awakening, every womb a grave … And you could feel him—no matter where you were. He was an ever-present horror in every heart. You need only look to the horizon, and you would know his direction. He was a shadow, an intimation of doom …
>“There are no words, Kellhus, for the dread and determination that moved us. We fought with reckless abandon, intent only on spitting our dying breath against the Foe. We sang no hymns, intoned no prayers—we’d forsworn these things. Instead, we sang our own dirges, bitter laments for our people, our race. We knew that after we passed only the toll we exacted from our foe would survive to sing for us!
holy shit Bakker, Book Two is cranking it up early

[Anonymous No.17619237]

This is such a fucking drag. The pacing is complete and total garbage.

[Anonymous No.17619242]

>>17619074
Bakker probably

[Anonymous No.17619257]

>>17619237
Lovely cover art though

[Anonymous No.17619265]

If the discord is legit and discusses Bakker, I would kind of be interested in joining.
Is it any good?

[Anonymous No.17619267]

>His little brother called out for him. He found him, grasped him, cold fingers opposite a burning palm.
>And he coupled with the sinuous image writhing before him, arched in answer to the man's black-haired grunting, spilled his seed to the girl's high blonde cries.

[Anonymous No.17619275]

>>17619265
>falling for consult tricks
anon....

[Anonymous No.17619278]

>>17619144
No it was perfect. I think he more or less beat his race's curse to not be able to end themselves. Incariol truly reached enlightenment at the end. It was what he wanted.

[Anonymous No.17619285]

>>17618911
Someone invite F Gardner. I know some of you know him.

[Anonymous No.17619298]

>>17619107
I'll never forgive bacuck for not giving Inrilatas a bigger role.

[Anonymous No.17619319]

>>17619285
He’s in some of the private servers from what I’ve heard. I doubt he’d grace us with his presence.

[Anonymous No.17619340]

>>17618190
>differentiated i
>divorce yourself from pure reality
>divorce yourself
>divorce
is Bakker going through a divorce? is that why he's been so quiet? is he trying to tell us that?

if so, i'm sure there are some hot, mentally ill goth girls who would move to canada for that

[Anonymous No.17619347]

>>17619340
*for that BDC

[Anonymous No.17619385]

>>17619340
I would very unironically and very seriously and very non memeish talk with Bakker if I had the chance. There is no guarantee we'll love each other, as there is literally no guarantee in life, but I would give the man a chance if he would give me a chance. I'm pure virgin autism though

[Anonymous No.17619398]

>>17619285
This. I want to meet my hero.

[Anonymous No.17619417]

>>17619385
Same but I'm not nearly well-read enough to be able to discuss philosophy with him, he'd go full Kellhus on me.

[Anonymous No.17619457]

>>17619417
better that than full Neil

[Anonymous No.17619695]

>>17619417
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.17619704]

>>17619695
yes actually but i'm working on it

[Anonymous No.17619739]

>>17619045
nice one

[Anonymous No.17619916]

I'm cool with anti-sanderson posting, but I don't get the love for bakker.

[Anonymous No.17619919]

>>17619916
He's good

[Anonymous No.17619992]

>Is this the house of a *sane* King?

[Anonymous No.17620053]

>>17619919
No he isn't. You guys just like him because he pisses off feminists and redditors

[Anonymous No.17620055]

>Keep her as she goes, you witless woodenhead! Row, you spineless slave-sons! That’s Thwil Bay and the Knoll of Roke, as any fool could see! Row!
Thanks whoever shilled Earthsea. It's so comfy. I fucking love the sea, my dream is to live by the sea and this book seems to fulfill my greatest wishes. High magic, fantasy and the sea.

[Anonymous No.17620114]

>>17619916
It's 1 guy shitposting.

[Anonymous No.17620131]

>>17620055
It's honestly the most comfy, simple, yet beautiful and evocative fantasy series I've ever read, and I've read every author that's talked about here regularly. Earthsea is wonderful.

My favorite books are 2, 3 and 5.

[Anonymous No.17620151]

>>17614859

As a non-american I find the concept of multiple races living in the same place in harmony but without intermixing to be low-key racist. Its a purely american thing.

<<We live together in harmony, but we would never let our daughters marry them anyways>>

Its ridiculous. Multiple ethnicities living in peace in the same place for hundreds of years end up as a single ethnicity. You can see it all over history. If they havent mixed yet its because they hate each other's guts!!!

[Anonymous No.17620172]

>>17620151
>If they havent mixed yet its because they hate each other's guts!!!
Welcome to America, bro. All racial groups here basically hate each other. The only exception would be baizuo white liberals, who are perhaps the peak expression of white racism, vociferous in hating their own race, yet adopting the most dehumanizing stance towards other races.

[Anonymous No.17620187]

>>17620151
Caste societies end up making their own ethnicities.

[Anonymous No.17620235]

>>17620053
Do you sincerely believe this? Or are you simply baiting?

[Anonymous No.17620252]

>>17620114
Believe me when I say this. It’s two, at least.

[Anonymous No.17620267]

>>17620114
I'd realistically estimate 5 to 10 regular bakkerposters.

[Anonymous No.17620285]

>>17620252
>>17620267
>>17620114

See >>17618040

[Anonymous No.17620308]

>>17618040
>invested in the cosmere
>have spent a lot of money
wait so sanderson is running some kind of membership-based pyramid scheme?

[Anonymous No.17620336]

>>17620308
>He doesn’t know

The cosmere is a massive DLC style universe. Everything is connected, and you need to buy everything he publishes to really follow certain “world-hopping” characters.

[Anonymous No.17620352]

>>17620187

Castes happens when one race conquers another, therefore, they are not living in harmony.

[Anonymous No.17620361]

>>17620352
You don’t know what a cast is, so please shut up. You’re embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.17620481]

>>17620361

Aryans conquer dravidians -> caste system
Spanish conquer mesoamericans -> caste system

Not always, but sometimes.

[Anonymous No.17620537]

Obviously Rowling ripped her off, but who was really the better writer? I think Le Guin, she is truly unique as a fantasy author and even though I don't consider myself a feminist, I think her exploration of gender in the context of the genre are really worthwhile. Rowling doesn't accomplish anything half as interesting in seven books.

[Anonymous No.17620545]

>>17620537
definitely le guin, hands down.

[Anonymous No.17620562]

Just finished The Judging Eye...clarity required and spoilers ahead
- Mimaras ability is to see the morality of a situation or person?
- Mimaras chorae she initially hated due to its anti sorcery effect - however when viewed with the judging eye it is in fact extremely holy and was able to repudiate the hell gate?
- what was it exactly that caused the topos? It’s mentioned the nonmem had hundreds of human slaves sealed away but also that man betrayed the nonmem?
- if the chorae is most holy does that mean sorcery is most evil?

Also mad bants with Kelmonas, routing for you little fella

[Anonymous No.17620563]

>>17616009
Reverend Insanity. It goes all the way into xiaxia bullshiit, but the actual characters and setting are very grounded.

[Anonymous No.17620603]

>>17620267
You're underestimating how severe this level of autism is. It's 2 guys at best, and a few ironic shitposting tourists each thread.

[Anonymous No.17620627]

>>17619237
fucking space dogs

[Anonymous No.17620654]

Why does everyone and everything in Earwa (sranc, skinspies, wracu, etc.) have a thicc upward curving benis that pokes them in the belly button? What did you mean by this, Scott? Are you describing your own peen and think they all look that way? It's it somehow a result of Inchoroi tekne? I know you're here fucker, answer me!

[Anonymous No.17620682]

>>17620562
LITERALLY READ AND FIND OUT

[Anonymous No.17620693]

>>17620603
Is this hangover I’m detecting?

[Anonymous No.17620706]

Is Mimara in the process of rediscovering Aporos?
Assuming we ever got The No-God.

[Anonymous No.17620707]

>>17620562
1. never explained
2. never explained
3. never explained beyond what usually causes them
4. never explained

Don't worry, I'm sure it will be explained in the third trilogy ;)

and Kelmomas is going to seriously escalate his game so get ready for fun

[Anonymous No.17620729]

>>17620693
That's just your dad's cum dripping out of your asshole. Stay seated.

[Anonymous No.17620732]

>>17620707
This is what speed reading does to you.

[Anonymous No.17620741]

>>17620562
I don't think these are spoilers but stuff that should be clear by the point you've gotten to so:

>Mimaras ability is to see the morality of a situation or person?
She sees the causes and ultimate effects of damnation. The judgement of the gods on each soul.
>Mimaras chorae she initially hated due to its anti sorcery effect - however when viewed with the judging eye it is in fact extremely holy and was able to repudiate the hell gate?
Chorae negates sorcery. The gods hate sorcery because it corrodes reality in some way. Gods are cool with chorae because it restores natural order.
>what was it exactly caused the topos
Just extreme emotions. There was a lot of suffering there as there was on the battlefield where bones rose up in the original trilogy.
>sorcery is most evil
In the sense that the gods hate it, sure. Morality comes down to might makes right and the gods are mightiest.

[Anonymous No.17620743]

>>17620729
why are you like this

[Anonymous No.17620755]

>>17620729
No wonder this rodeo has kept going for months now. I’ll make sure to make my contribution since you’ll be here forever.

[Anonymous No.17620802]

This fucking thread has been so good. Only Bakkerposting all around.

[Anonymous No.17620820]

>>17620802
I’ve started reading Bakker a month ago, mostly because of the amount of noise that you people do here. And I really have to say that his prose is subliminal. It elevates the story telling to a completely new level rarely seen in fantasy.

[Anonymous No.17620829]

>>17620562
>what was it exactly that caused the topos?
The nonmen’s treatment of their ewama slave race. That’s also why the humans betrayed them. They saw how horrible it was and decided not to stomach the injustice

[Anonymous No.17620831]

SA VERY crackpot theory:
Kelhus is Onkis somehow. The head on a pole = the head impaled on the copper tree. If the outside is really atemporal he could've done everything the head on a pole did before dying. Onkis is described as a prophetess of the motivations of men, which sounds very Dunyain. How can Onkis be Kelhus and female both? Kelhus had a woman's soul, being a tranny. SHE was sexually attracted to Cnaiur, which is why SHE spared him before, and to Proyas, obviously. Bakker is afraid of losing the incel market he captured by offending feminists so he has been rethinking this whole angle for years.

[Anonymous No.17620886]

done with horus rising;
other than the pathetically shallow politics, and annoying names, and predictability, them getting killed was nice enough, i really dunno if i can/should suffer 4 more books or just jump to fulgrim

[Anonymous No.17620938]

But what if Kelhus was Azor Ahai?

[Anonymous No.17620947]

>>17620755
Based.

[Anonymous No.17620965]

>>17618844
It's not good, but you get bonus points for saying you liked it. It's dry and dull.

[Anonymous No.17621015]

>>17617257
As expected

[Anonymous No.17621025]

>>17617257
I feel ashamed of this general now. I'm taking a break.

[Anonymous No.17621041]

>>17621025
Good

[Anonymous No.17621276]

>>17620743
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.17621285]

>>17619074
>>17619242
Bakker read starts on the 28th. We're currently reading the Luke gospel. Also there's random shitposting.

[Anonymous No.17621379]

>>17618819
May I suggest to you the Gap Cycle by Stephen R Donaldson?
picrel current read

[Anonymous No.17621533]

sci fi and fantasy should strive to be more like other genres. It's too copycat and bereft of palatable prose.

[Anonymous No.17621553]

>>17621533
You should try having sex with an owl. It's great.

[Anonymous No.17621833]

This is a test. This is simply a test of spoiler formatting.

Bakker: fag
Sanderson: fag
Greg Egan: based

This was a test. This was simply a test of spoiler formatting.

[Anonymous No.17621849]

I don't understand. Why tell us in english what was said in Alethi? Could Sanderson not simply say "I speak for the king," in that respective language?

[Anonymous No.17621868]

>>17621849
Gotta bloat that page count.

[Anonymous No.17621872]

>>17621833
sneed

[Anonymous No.17621874]

>>17621872
sex with your mom

[Anonymous No.17621879]

>>17619285
I’ll send it to him. What’s the discord?

[Anonymous No.17621892]

Stepped on dog shit today. Day ruined.

[Anonymous No.17621897]

>>17621879
No one has it?

[Anonymous No.17621913]

Any Battletech recommendations?

[Anonymous No.17621966]

>>17621897
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.17621972]

So I found a place to read MEG: Night Stalkers, the megalodon book, but its asking me to complete a survey before I can keep reading. Adblock doesn't work, so is there any way I can cheat the system?

[Anonymous No.17621996]

>>17616473
Jfc, you gonna tip your fedora and fatly snicker "m'lady" after that?

[Anonymous No.17622021]

>>17621966
Yea I wanted to call him a faggot to his face.

[Anonymous No.17622031]

>>17617410
No, he looks autistic and smug

[Anonymous No.17622061]

>>17617410
He looks like GRRM.

[Anonymous No.17622112]

>>17617257
I fucking knew it. A bunch of redshit spammers came in here and shitted on everything we oldfags built. Fuck rebbit.

[Anonymous No.17622120]

Haven't finished a book in a year or two. Anyone have a suggestion of an easier to read novel - preferably standalone to get me back into the groove? I feel like I just need to get into the habit and practice of reading before jumping right into it. Tried to read Blood Meridian and it so fucking dense. I enjoy it and can tell its great, but its too far above my level right now. I fried my brain with the internet I think.

t. retarded noob

[Anonymous No.17622138]

>>17622120
The Burning Isle

[Anonymous No.17622154]

>>17620562
>- if the chorae is most holy does that mean sorcery is most evil?
have you not read any of the other books
yes sorcery is extremely evil, always is

[Anonymous No.17622165]

>>17622120
Mans search for meaning

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17622172]

>>17622061
He must’ve eaten nothing but combo meals to lose his original form so easily. Damn.

[Anonymous No.17622175]

Is there a website to read books where the deal is you make an account and only pay after a certain time? Like you get a free trial week and then have to pay to keep using it?

[Anonymous No.17622180]

>>17622175
just steal lol

[Anonymous No.17622183]

>>17622061
What went wrong, martinbros?

[Anonymous No.17622194]

>>17622180
Im >>17621972 and lemme tell you I'm fucking trying

[Anonymous No.17622213]

>>17622172
>>17622183
>Fat? Fat, is it? Is that how you speak to your king? Ah, damn you, anons, why are you always right?

[Anonymous No.17622215]

>>17622120
The Algebraist is self contained and pretty fun.

[Anonymous No.17622335]

>>17622061
HIS WIFE'S CUNT BECAME THE WORLD

[Anonymous No.17622346]

>>17622215
Appreciate the recc, but over 500 pages is a bit much for me rn. Hoping for something under 300

[Anonymous No.17622351]

blag seed in beach :DDDDD

[Anonymous No.17622358]

>>17622172
>>17622183
He doesn't eat more, he just shits less.

[Anonymous No.17622359]

>>17622346
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28765741-spiderlight

[Anonymous No.17622370]

>>17622358
Gods, it was brown water then.

[Anonymous No.17622389]

>>17622120
Start with short stories.

Here is a funny fantasy about reverse entropy: http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/tang_07_19/

[Anonymous No.17622400]

>>17622370

[Anonymous No.17622413]

god, can you imagine being one of those losers who actually likes writing? What a bunch of I want to die

[Anonymous No.17622570]

M’mm! M’mm!

[Anonymous No.17622571]

>>17617410
>>17622061
Would fat Bakker look like GRRM today?

[Anonymous No.17622582]

>>17622172
based björk poster

>>17622213
king robert looks positively slender compared to the gelatinous blob that is grrm

[Anonymous No.17622601]

fuck trannies

[Anonymous No.17622607]

>>17622570
what is that? Black sesame paste pie?

What's that have to do with sffg (pron. /Sfugg/)

[Anonymous No.17622613]

>>17622607
>he doesn’t know

[Anonymous No.17622624]

[Anonymous No.17622637]

>>17622613
just explain it

[Anonymous No.17622647]

>>17622637
read bakker and find out

[Anonymous No.17622649]

>>17622637
seed

[Anonymous No.17622738]

>>17622637
It's what Bacucks consume while watching nautical-looking negros fuck their wives.

[Anonymous No.17622811]

>>17615069
>camerawork is incidental to filmmaking.
>all I need is a good script, I can film it on a 2005 shaky brick-cam if I like, then edit it terribly.

[Anonymous No.17622998]

>>17622811
yes

[Anonymous No.17623087]

>>17622998
any examples?

[Anonymous No.17623256]

new thread
>>17623251

[Anonymous No.17623276]

>>17621276
That your mother works in Sumna? Not at all.

[Anonymous No.17623290]

>>17623256
Fake.

[Anonymous No.17623307]

>>17623087
Your gay porno.

[Anonymous No.17623342]

>>17620729
In your dreams, maybe, but in reality you’re the one being ass fucked every single day here :^) and you literally can’t stay seated from the amount of cum dripping from your rectum.

[Anonymous No.17623395]

>>17623342
>no u
Try again.

[Anonymous No.17623398]

>>17614507
I have a $10 gift card, whats the best fantasy book I can buy? It needs to be around $8 because of tax

[Anonymous No.17623408]

>>17623395
I fucked your mum too :)

[Anonymous No.17623414]

>>17623398
The “Darkness That Comes Before” by R. Scott Bakker.

[Anonymous No.17623421]

>>17623408
Your dad was balls deep in my asshole, and I could barely feel it. I know from this experience that you have a tiny dick. My mom has a massive gaping gash, and that micropenis of yours wouldn't even be able to touch more than one side of her vagina at a time, meaning she'd laugh you out of the brothel.

[Anonymous No.17623424]

>>17623408
And his girlfriend that time he went to the Sanderson convention, don’t forget that.

[Anonymous No.17623432]

>>17623414
Unfortunately, tax cucks me if I want to buy it new, would you recommend book 1 of Malazan? That's about $7 on amazon at the moment

[Anonymous No.17623439]

>>17623424
>>17623408
https://youtu.be/U1UtRnGn5hc

[Anonymous No.17623464]

>>17623432
Buy the ebook. I’m sure you can find a deal.

Malazan is alright, but Bakker is simply superior.

[Anonymous No.17623506]

Are the Emwama in Ishterebinth animate statues? I’m not sure I’m following.

[Anonymous No.17623551]

>>17623506
they’re not-hobbits, slaves of the nonmen. why did you think they were statues?

[Anonymous No.17623572]

>>17623551
I didn’t think that they even existed anymore. I thought they were non men statues. Thanks though.

[Anonymous No.17623605]

>>17623572
hmm, did you miss the part where the emwama meet sorweel &co. in front of the gate of ishterebinth? they’re very clearly described as stinky, intellectually and physically stunted dwarfish humanoids. ishterebinth is full of statues but the emwama are most certainly a kind of human...?

[Anonymous No.17623622]

>>17623605
I’m at that part now.

[Anonymous No.17623626]

>>17623605
I thought they were animate statues and that the smell and sound were a product of magic. She states that the mark is deep in the steps.

[Anonymous No.17623732]

>>17623421
>Your dad was balls deep in my asshole
I wasn’t aware that surrender could be this cringe, but ok.
It is accepted nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.17623768]

>>17623732
Whatever, spawn of faggotry. You're the one with the small dick. I only had one in my ass.

[Anonymous No.17624044]

>>17623768
Not my fault that my 8 Inch cock wasn’t big enough for your mother’s loose cunt.

[Anonymous No.17624058]

>>17624044
Not fooling anyone, and I already know from experience that smol pps run in your family.

[Anonymous No.17624060]

>>17624058
You seem to be experienced in being ass fucked. What do you use now? Is everyone in your family as loose as your mother?